Is insidious Bubba camping destined to stay with us forever? This question continues to torment even the greatest philosophers of our time. Watch live: / otzdarva Join our community: / discord
Thoughts on camping aside, can we appreciate the Felix who accepted his fate and stayed on hook so his team could finish gens and start the exit gate? Good teammate 10/10
Yes, if you are camped - always stay on the hook to the bitter end. The campers want you to give up and die so that they go for the next person to camp. By hanging on you mess with their plan and annoy them. If they start hitting you on the hook to vent their anger - even better, now you know that you really got to them.
@@ManlyOBeeferton I think a solution to this is A: make it so that the less gens are done, the bigger the penalty (for example, camping at 5 gens gives a higher penalty then camping at, for example, 1 or 2 gens), and B: if you stay within a certain radius of the hooked survivor for X seconds, you can no longer see scratchmarks or blood pools. It'd make it easier to sneak up on said camper and try to get a cheeky unhook when they aren't looking.
@@dccrashergames6553 I actually thought of the same thing (A). I guess it could be exploited by 99ing gens, but maybe it could also be coupled with a requirement for a certain amount of time having elapsed in the match. B is a great idea too.
The worse part about that Meg is she literally had reassurance and she could have activated it from the floor above the Felix, but chose to hide in a locker instead.
Seriously underrated perk. I recently went for Adept Rebecca and that very game, we had a camping Ghostface. Bought our team over an entire generator worth of time.
@@BunnychanFarabee I absolutely love it as well. best anti-camp perk there is. you can play around off the record, ds or BT, but reassurance? very hard to prevent. you could down the person trying to apply it, but you win nothing by it. if you pick up, the other gets rescued, if you dont, they crawl away and try again.
I recently played bubba for the first time, and on my 4th game someone was upset at me in the endgame chat for not letting them experience the true bubba experience, face camp tunnel and all. In their words it's my right as a bubba to face camp. I am grateful for their advice, and I am now happy to call myself a true bubba. (I'm just kidding I haven't even played bubba since that day but I found it hilarious.)
I had a match as bubba one day that i remember in particular. It was against a streamer with three friends. I ended up killing all four of them and i was thinking: damn, i better get ready for a shitstorm. Turns out, they had played against two other bubbas before and both of them camped hardcore, and they were just glad that i wasnt camping. kinda sad.
Getting a match like this is always soul crushing, you really wanna help your team mates but you can't, and Bubba always gets more kills than he deserves. I really don't understand why they get rewarded for this playstyle.
they get rewarded cause survivors give up on hook while the others either try to unhook (and go down) or they do nothing. The other 3 should be doing gens
You answered your own question: Why do they get rewarded? Because altruistic Survivors like you exist. I on the other hand don't care, I just hope the person on the hook doesn't give up early so the rest of us can rush the gens. ^^
Honestly I remember one match on Coldwind where we were cranking out gens while Bubba kept trying to take anyone he downed to basement with iron grasp/agitation, and it was the most terrifying thing b/c we all KNEW whoever got hooked there was never coming out. It was funny as hell too tbh.
Exactly. That makes this a HORROR game, which is fun. Lately people focus on objectives and winning so much that they miss out the true survivor experience
@@kingol4801 Yeah, but then they should be able to do something in the game after dying. Thats why I mostly play killer, I know I wont be taken out of the game early
One thing to remember for all killers: if all 3 other survivors come to the hook, you don’t have to leave. That’s not camping. What the bubba was doing in the first game was camping
What hurts the most about camping bubba is that I genuinely actually love going against people who actually play him. The noises he makes, just barely diving through the window in time, locker tantrum dodging. He's such a fun killer to go against when you actually play him. :/
At this point, it’s DBD tradition. It’s like putting ornaments on a Xmas tree. We go through the effort just to watch them hang, because it’s familiar. It takes us back, to years past…
I just got myself Bubba recently and he's a lot of fun. When I become Undetectable, they expect I'm Insidious camping. What they don't realize is I've actually used Trail of Torment and am directly behind them.
@@blainecarter990 the ego on display here lmfao, let people play what they wanna play, don’t get your nuts in a twist because you feel so insecure that you have the need to tell everyone how “good” at the game you are
@@blainecarter990 the way you talk, i could give a 3 year old the controller and even THEY would absolutely crank you. sit down, be humble, let your skill speak for itself instead of mouthing off like a wanker.
I'm a Bubba Main since 3 years and what I can say about this Killer. A lot of Bubbas just don't understand how the Chainsaw works, what they can do with Chainsaw and when they should use it. That's why a lot of Bubbas are getting 5 gen chases and then face camping. And of course, a lot of people are playing Bubba to camp Survivors, because this killer is very effective at it. But, advanced Leatherface game play is insanely entertaining, Bubba has insane potential, but Dead By Daylight players underestimate him and don't know what this Killer can do. Bubba has a few aspects of advanced game play - 1) Cannibal can outplay most of Pallets in this game, doing a "Reverses Chainsaw" or "Flicks" on the loop is very important aspect. Survivors are not expecting these plays from Bubba and it works very well. But, it require some practice, you need Chainsaw Sweeping very tightly and in the same time perfectly pressing your tokens and also in the same time reverse your direction and catch a Survivor before he will reach a Pallet. It's very effective, with 132.25% (136.21% Beast's Marks) you can do amazing things. 2) Charges management is very important, sometimes if you starts using your Chainsaw, for example 1 second too late, you will not catch a Survivor before he reaches a Pallet. You need learn from what distance you can catch a Survivor with 3 charges. It's very strong, because you are catching Survivor very fast and against some Survivors even when they will reach a Pallet, they will greed it, because they think you will not catch them, because you were Chainsaw Sweeping from a long distance. 3) The Cannibal has a Chainsaw Sprint bloodpoint category, it can help you with learning charges. Why? Default Cannibal can get maximum 90 blood points in Chainsaw Sprint category, with Purple Chili he can get 112 and with double Chili 123. Sooo, if you get for example 84 Blood Points and you needed 1 additional meter to catch a Survivor - it's your mistake. 4) About addons - the best combination is Award Winning Chili & Beast's Marks together - with these addons Cannibal has 136.21% movement speed during a Chainsaw Sweep and 7.50 seconds duration. About double Chili - this combination isn't good, because Bubba is getting his maximum Chainsaw Sweep movement speed after 60% use of his first Charge. For example, with double Chili Cannibal needs 1.65 second to reach a maximum speed and also you don't have Beast's Marks, Bubba is very slow at the start. That's why Carburetor Tunning Guide is bugged, because with Carburetor Bubba has 1 Big Charge (7.5 seconds) and with our definition he will reach maximum movement speed after 4.50 seconds (0-4.50 seconds he has something around 84% - 129.95%, and then for the last 3 seconds he has maximum movement speed) and that's why it's the worst addons in the game. Even speed limiter is better because you can use your Chainsaw to break a Pallets efficiently (Carburetor use all charges instantly after breaking a Pallet). Sooo, double Chili is better than default for sure, but it's not worth to use Yellow Chili with Purple Chili together. The best 2 combinations are (in my opinion) Purple Chili & Beast's Marks and Beast's Marks & Primer Bulb. Without duration addons Cannibal reaches his movement speed faster and it's also important. 5) Zoning, clever zoning with Bubba is very strong, everyone can say it. 6) With Award Winning Chili & Beast's Marks Cannibal can use "Two Charges Tech". You are using Chainsaw, Survivor drops a Pallet and you breaks a Pallets with 1 Charge and you have 2 Charges left - You can immediately rev your Chainsaw with 2 charges and catch a Survivor. It's extremely strong against HIGH MMR Survivors and even better against average Survivors. I can write more more & more interesting things about Bubba, but these are the most important.
I ran into a Bubba on RPD the other day. He got one hook on someone with Kindred, and stood there unmoving while we finished 3 gens and escaped. Only saw his aura a few times when he looked down his hallway, otherwise he stood there with Insidious. He got like 4K points for a single kill
That match was so exciting to watch! Also I love how the Zarina knew which add on made the difference there. Shows how experienced these survivors actually were.
@@malingincur6752 wdIm? Bro wdym...? They took about 15 seconds to read the add-on thourouly and to connect it to that moment in game that made the difference of them reaching the pallet or going down - then also wrote gg wp AND they wrote that comment on how the green add-on f*cked them? In 15 secs? They HAD to have prior knowledge of bubba's add-ons and how they translate to the actual gameplay. Remember: bubba's built is only shown to survivor after the match completely finished. I stand my point unless they went ahead and researched the add-ons the moment they died, they had to have knowledge on his add on and recognised during the match when it came in clutch.
@@ImmortalBerry he could know the addon(you can really feel this addon cause it s very basic for bubba mains)but i said that because i thought it was funny
@@malingincur6752 Bro I was so ready to fight you, don't trigger me xD. Yeah that's what I meant though. I have around 2.4k hours in dbd and play a decent amount of killer (no bubba though) but never would have guessed the add on myself. So props to that Zarina for knowing her sh*it :)
It wasn't a true DBD experience without that first Meg flaming you for being cancer because you didn't rescue her, despite fixing the last gen on your own and her hiding in a locker the entire time.🤣
Bubba is the only killer I don’t get upset by when they camp me. I feel like we’re having a very good moment. He’s just making sure I’m as comfy as can be on that hook.
From my experiences, it feels like Bubba was designed for camping. People say Hillbilly and Bubba are similar playstyles, but lets be honest, Billy is made for high mobility and trap traversal, but Bubba was made for making small/tight spaces dangerous. Thats what makes him such an easy kiler to camp with
I think the difference is the ability to camp by proxy with Victor, the birds, or even trapper's traps (you used to be able to put them right under a hooked survivor, it was rancid). Bubba at least has to be present at the hook to use his power.
Why do we all care so much about survivor rules anyways, if that’s what he wants to do I say it’s Fairplay same as body blocking and all the other things which aren’t considered to be “fun”. Truth is this guy probably tbagged and bullied by survivors so decided he needed a redemption ark
Bubba has a hidden facet to his power. If you hook someone before the first gen pops, there is a 50% chance the hooked survivor will disconnect if you take a few steps away, then stand still for just long enough for them to think you have Insidious. Don't even need to bring it and you really never need to nor should.
@@haiz768 aren't you that guy that always DC's the first second you go down The fact you reply this to every comment as if it matters what you say suits it for sure lol
Dud, watching meg silhouette coming out of the locker, and then appearing in your screen with Buba chasing with the chainsaw up!!! Was the most comical thing I've ever seen LMAO!!!
Honestly I think the worst part of this type of gameplay is that if you spend the entire game on the hook and die you de-pip and there is literally nothing you can do to prevent it. Should be a loss prevention in place of you die on your first hook due to face camping, or straight up tunneling.
It happens every now and then. Mainly if you get caught within the first couple of generators. After that your chances to get off hook go down significantly.
I feel like toolboxes and medkits would be moderately less horrible if there was just some damn way to differentiate a brown one from a godsend commodious with a brand new part attached
Back when I first started playing DbD I picked Bubba as my first main because he looked fun to play(rip bbq) 9 times out of 10 I would be thanked by player for being a nice Bubba I thought I was cracked or something but I just didn't know basement Bubba was a thing even less a problem haha
Recently had a game against a Blight who played super well - so well, in fact, that the Nea on my team decided to throw down a pallet next to me and then hide in a locker instead of helping do gens or unhook our two teammates (Nea was doing nothing before so I had assumed she was gonna rescue). The Blight obviously ran over and saw me, so I took him to the locker and opened it to reveal the coward hiding inside. We all still died but I wasn't about to let Nea get away with that
Well... it happens... i met not camping strong bubbas a few times... it's like 10% of bubbas... Also... you can also be the change you want to see... play as bubba and get 4k without camping
I had just recently bought Bubby so I could begin unlocking some of his perks and also just an interest in playing him. In my first match where I only had lightborn equipped to avoid the flashlights the survivors brought I was overall doing poorly as I was unfamiliar with chainsaw movement and they were popping gens and great at chase. The one knock I got happened to be inside the shack as the survivor got greedy with the window. As soon as I turned to go into basement it was an automatic DC
I feel with both matches, this just highlights why it’s busted that a killer can instadown without having to use a hex/perk or gain their power like Oni… I know bubba can be countered with competent teams but the majority of players are solo queue
Meh, I don't think bubba is busted at all. If they were we would see a lot more bubba's, on the level of nurse or blight. They're powerful, yeah, but not too powerful. I think it's important the community learns the distinction, less we nerf any viable killers down to Legion tier.
not just an instadown but a sweeping multi hit long lasting insta down. there's some counterplay to try and bait and dodge or one for one with most other instadowns but bubba has low risk and high reward for camping since you just can't 1 for 1 or bait something out, he's got a bunch of charges and each one can down all 4 survivors. the power is fine away from hook but once he decides to camp there's really nothing you can do
@@HoneyDog But I mean, no one is saying he's busted. That's making an entire different argument, imo. It's incredibly unfair that he is the only killer in the game who can be guaranteed a kill on first hook no matter what when the system is clearly designed around survivors being hooked multiple times. Yeah Bubba isn't that strong, but being rewarded for next to no interactivity is just silly
@@nick-zd3fk "....highlights why it's busted that a killer can instadown without having to use a hex/perk or gain their power like Oni." Uh, yeah, someone definitely did say they were busted. This is a direct quote from the original comment I replied too. Did you... read, the original comment? Anyways, yeah, his camping game is unfair. I don't think that makes him busted though, I think that just means he's too strong in a very specific area of his kit. And that area of his kit is only that strong if the survivors he faces aren't coordinated. Logically, statistically, if a bubba facecamps every survivor down to death, they can only really guarantee two kills if the remaining survivors focus generators. it takes 2 minutes for a survivor to die on hook, and 95 seconds for a single survivor to finish a gen. 3 gens on first dying survivor, two gens on second, and you'll still have time to spare. So logically, a team of smart survivors should almost always end a match with a facecamping bubba in two or more escapes. Unless they made a mistake or the bubba stopped facecamping at some point. So his power being unfair around hooks is only half of it, survivors still have to play into it for the killer to get maximum value. Yeah, your average team isn't a four man SWF, but even one person with kindred completely counters his ability to snowball. At that point, it's just up to the survivors to play sensibly and genrush. If they don't, the loss is on them, not really the scummy strategy. So... Yeah. Any team that loses more than 2 people to a Leatherface that does nothing but camp the entire match has lost due to their own mistakes or miscordination. Yeah, I also get that it sucks to be one of the two people who were facecamped with no option, but that's just how some matches are. Killers lose matches all the time, often in much more heartbreaking or frustrating manners, it's just part of the game. Until the game changes, there's no reason to hate on the player just trying to win, rather than the devs who designed to to work that way. I would also explain why the game is still balanced/designed to kills rather than hooks, but this comment is already long enough. Let's be real, 9/10 people on the internet wouldn't even care to read all this, so chances are all I'm writing towards is a "I'm not about to read your essay" or something along those lines
"I said I wouldn't camp, I didn't say I wouldn't tunnel." I used to watch you a lot, Otz. Loved your content. I wish you wouldn't have leaned into killer so much over the past few years.
I haven’t played this game in years wtf did they do to my main bubba? I loved chasing people with the chainsaw because the movement was really fun with its own challenges
Been here in spot, except i had reassurance and no one got hooked in the basement, using it thrue the floor/wall/celling was game changing and did feel good.
The worst thing is that you can't even blame them for playing like that since they are not cheating in any way. If the 3 remaining survivors decided to complete all the gens instead of trying to get the save, they would have a 3 sirvivor escape. It sucks for the hooked survivor but bad luck I guess.
We can absolutely blame them, only because someone is not cheating does not mean what they are doing is alright. The same way that you can be a total ass to people around you without actually breaking any laws does not make what you are doing acceptable, if you disagree then do this in real life and then convince the people about to "deal with you" that what you did was in fact perfectly alright since it did not break any laws. Besides if the Bubba has Deadlock then the progress will be heavily halted without the Bubba having to do anything, pretty much guaranteeing that there will be no 3 man escape if any at all.
Bubba was my first killer main and not once did I go into a game with the intent to face-camp to death. I learned so much through correct use of his power as well as your many guide videos. It honestly bothered me quite abit whenever I would queue in as survivor and face this, always sad that they weren't trying. But I mean hey, to each their own I guess.
I literally have people grateful when they play against my Bubba because I don't face camp. It's the easiest way to be treated like a hero as a killer lol
Right? The survs can't believe it. Every post-game I get at least one person saying "A non-camping Bubba?? I'm going to buy a lottery ticket!" or something like that. I wish all post-games could be the positive.
The only reason i mainly play survivor is that i want to be so good, that if a camping booba starts chasing me at the start of the game, i can loop him for enough time to make my team escape
i encountered a facecamping bubba the other day, and as irritating as it is, it moreso just makes me curious as to how someone is genuinely having fun playing that way lmao
They do it to piss you off. They know it's completely skilless and boring and ruins your match. It's the equivalent of a troll. It's BHVR's fault really. They should redesign Bubba so he can't play like this to begin with. How they redesign him is my guess...I'd probably make his chainsaw not insta kill and then give him some sort of anti-loop to compensate.
I enjoy anxiety-free games. Bubba is one of few killers that can deal with survivor harassment and BS It is fun because it is peaceful & thematic/more accurate.
@@kingol4801 f you, go play some idle games then. Why would you ruin everyone's fun in an online game because you are so useless and can't ever learn how to play.
Face Camping Bubbas ruin the reputation of bubba. I play him a decent amount and he's satisfying and frustrating at the same time. Satisfying as it's a great feeling when you perfectly make you way around a loop and get that down but also frustrating when you hit the tiniest pixel of a box and go into tantrum purgatory. It's sad to see so many bubba's face camp. It's like if you play bubba most people will immediately think oh a face camping bubba great.
