Every Upset at Genesis 4 (Smash 4) 

Ayy nuclear throne my dude

RadioWw dont get it plz explein

I believe it has something to do with the kb settings being set from 1.0 to 0.9, which means you can survive much longer or something. Not too sure about the specifics but everyone seems to be complaining that players aren't dying or being sent in to tumble when they should

RadioWw

Komo lost in top 8 to Captain Jack (very long and boring 3-2). After the set Komo noticed the Knockback Ratio was 0.9 instead of 1.0 which among other things favors Bayonetta to which he lost. He was pissed and TO agreed to a last game rematch. Captain Jack awas pissed. Nobody knows how that happened and how many sets were played with those settings. Ultimately he destroyed Komo in the rematch so quick it looked like he was picking on a disabled 5 year old. Komo refused the handshake afterward. other fun fact: The medals say "Super Mario Bros. WiiU" *I'm not familiar with sm4sh 4 scene so I hope I got the right names*

+Izanagi it only affected 2 games

Izanagi bayonnetta is still a top 5 character

Villager if I picked up Bayo and beat Leo tomorrow it definitely wouldn't be an upset

Villager So you're just gonna undermine a player's win because of their character choice. You must be a fun guy. s/

ChillTerumi tbh the Bayo upsets wouldn't happen if they played any other character...

Vilikis Silvermoon eh. he knows how good Brood is. Hes been a very dominating force with duckhunt for a long long time.

NotATK NotATK

he sd'd that why he lost

"yeah so he probably is at least top 20"

Lmao

im 2cool4you ZER0.9

+andrew weber its spelled like ZeRo.9

Whats the joke? im confused :/

Rip Komo 😢

NICK COTTER in 2 of the sets in top 8 Komo vs Captain Jack and Zero vs Dabuz it was discovered that they were playing in .9 knock back ratio instead of the standard 1.0.

jafet umaña exactly :D you can be mad at yourself, but not at your opponent in these situations

arnokfw I'm super thankful they were there, nairo vs zero was hype. Nairo will get it one day

Sorry I searched the Nairo/Zero fight in MrConcon twitch videos and found nothing. Where do we can see it ?

There (dun blame him for the Picnic, venue wifi was awful) www.twitch.tv/mrccgaming/v/116463948

Salem? Nah. Elegant would and should not have as high a seed as Salem

Elegant isn't even PGR'd so I guess you could say it's an upset.

This was when he wasn’t a big player

Buu Han Buu carries your jackass status

Synister1004 dam someone's triggered, sorry to tell you the truth

Blaster Volt He does, but not at the national level like Bayo does.

Blaster Volt Sure, but people beat Fox in Melee.

+Danchey Kang "but people beat Fox in Melee." Implying Bayo doesn't get beat in Smash 4. It's the players who carry characters. Only scrubs say the opposite.

TNT0Pro | Penspinning Video...

yeah, already changed it before i saw your response

TNT0Pro | Penspinning damage ratio? I knew the medals thing but damage ratio was wrong?

Really? This was pretty much the biggest mistake in smash 4 history, after the set of Captain Zack vs Komorikiri, Komo noticed that the damage ratio was on 0.9 so they replayed the last game, which didn't change the result. Later, they noticed that it was already wrong before the Dabuz-ZeRo set and maybe some other sets, too.

TNT0Pro | Penspinning how does that even happen

Horrendous execution

oussama mrissa U just said u have 1 problem

Yah I was so confused by them saying that...

Smh.

CiDe, Gerudo Scrublord Elegant is a monster!

his point was that Elegant can basically beat anyone if he's on point haha

I'm saying

Elegant vs Salem is a toss up...Elegant is REALLLY GOOD, same with Nakat...Nakat over Kameme is only an upset based on X factor but not skill. Nakat is one of Jersey's SMARTEST players, dude can compete with the top 10 based on his PURE skill level.

Rankings are based on results. Salem travels and gets a lot of results, Elegant doesn't and doesn't get a lot of results. If Elegant traveled as much as Salem he'd be no doubt ranked. Took out Void and Abadango before this, and took MkLeo to game 5. SoCal has the most amount of great players no one's ever heard of. He beat Captain Zack and Pink Fresh prior to this tournament, that's the other two best Bayonettas in the world. He knows this match up well. It was hardly "expected" Salem would took this set.

BagFaceMan Yeah, like 4 or 5 times, very out of character

It's because gravity settings we're at x1.1

LIvein HD oh... That's stupid

He is joking. That was knockback and that happened at top 8

Danny Freeman Knockback was set to 0.9.

Eugene Thao How?

Villager It should be "Every Upset" not "Every Upsets"

My bad, fixed it already

Eugene Thao same

Eugene Thao Don't you mean the title UPSETS you? ;)

Thank you!

Yeah I don't get this, Elegant's beaten Void, Pink Fresh, Mr. E, Captain Zack, and Abadango before. Salem's a much bigger name, but if someone is capable of defeating some of the best in the game, then it's no fluke. An upset is when a fluke defeat happens.

An upset does not imply a fluke victory

lol upset doesn't mean fluke. It means the person who was expected to win didn't win. That's all.

Elegant's already taken out the other two best Bayonettas in the world. He knows this match up well. Plus he's taken out the best Sheik and best Mewtwo showing that he doesn't only excels at one match up and that he's a force in the scene. It's hardly "expected" for Salem to have taken this. It was only expected because Salem's a big name and no one outside of SoCal and those that have been paying attention know who Elegant is.

Falln is trash lol

+Mohammad Rasooli 'Who are you?' is a terrible argument. People are good at other things in life, instead of video games. It's like a bird mocking a fish for not being able to fly. (And yes, I know some birds can swim as well as fly, but for the sake of the argument, ignore that.)

Thats only 2 players on the PGR that he's doing well against though, not many others that he's beaten alot

...? That's not how it works.

Alex M. wrong

Half of these were Bayo. Another reason why $5.99 carries players.

But after the nerf she's easy to DI or SDI, ask to ESAM.... oh wait.... lololol

Thats not how it works? You want it to be so balanced that normal people dont beat pros. Pros beat pros lol

IAmThe Rufflett Elegant was seeded lower than Salem and thus it is an upset

Elegant wasn't on the PGR Top 50, and Salem was pretty high.

While it's certainly an upset, huge wouldn't be my stance on it. Brood is Japan's 2nd best if not best Duck Hunt (You3 gives him a run for his money) and the matchup isn't well known by the west.

lildrummerboy65 Yeah why not? Very good character

TheLegend27 if the legend27 approves, I approve

Most people would say the character is not very good... Which makes it that much more impressive honestly.

japan actually rates duck hunt much higher on their tier lists than we do in the west. i think i understand why after this tournament; clearly there's a lot they understand about the character that we don't over here.

veovis duck hunt is completely different from almost every other character. The western scene doesn't know how to use him properly.

'Mew2King' doesn't play mewtwo.

BagFaceMan aerolink is known for his palutana hes a texas player very skilled

kittyfyrepaw 1 Ikr? It really bothers me that so many people use top tiers over the characters they love

He started with link in brawl.

reminder that if you're calling someone trash at the game in the comment section, you're probably trash at the game.

kirby is too floaty and gets killed easy. Combo heavy, tho. tell me kirby tech

Kirby is just not fun to play against IMO. Also lack of weight is a huge factor

My kirby is especially annoying lol

TRN GalaxianGamer you are so cocky

kirby sucks :^)

MultishineGod Nice Bait!

MultishineGod Either a bait or dumb opinion

Thomas LOL my opinion is dumb

To be fair, a couple characters really don't require much skill at all. For most of the cast though, you need to know what you're doing.

MultishineGod Guess that makes melee tr2sh lul.

...Are you saying Brood is better than Zero and Zinoto? Are you for real?

im pretty sure he is saying that brood is in the range of skill to take a game or set off of them if he is playing good and they are not. Its like westballz in melee, he is not as good as mang0 and we all agree to that. However, him taking a set off of mang0 isnt an upset.

Corey Kwan it's a low tier vs one of the best characters /player

his main dream was top 8 rip

PartyMartin28 At least he got 13th

That Japanese guy is really lucky :v

stop johning for him

Lo sabemos, tranqui :v

Calmado señorito

+Quarium Mod Pmease stop using Google Translator,Its really bad

Estaba siendo condescendiente, te vendría bien no asumir que no sé español. En especial teniendo en cuenta que es mi idioma natal, tan solo una bromita ;)

+Quarium Mod Vale vale,pues caí :v

its actually, quite the opposite, he almost never travels. he's an amazing player but since he never travels a lot of people don't know who he is (unless they're oldschool and remember him from AiB).

Felipe Furquim elegant is ranked lower then Salem, so it is an upset

Just because you are ranked lower doesnt make it an upset. Mang0 his ranked alot higher than westballz yet, he has dropped sets to him. Even dating back to May 2015

Teddy Rose ...yes, and when Westballz beat ManGOAT those were upsets. Do you understand the term?

Murdpoop No when he beat mang0 in 2015 at may mayhem, it was not an upset. Everyone knew he had the potential to do it, and when he did it, it was hype, but it was not an upset. It was well known that the round could go either way. Do you understand the term??? Even at BoT5G it wasnt an upset.

Teddy Rose mango losing to westballz was a definite upset stay a smash 4 tard

Pranav Charkupalli an upset is when a lower ranked player beats a higher ranked player

Duncan Ryan yeah it's top 15 (but 80 percent of the time it's zero)

Kai diss tracks That's very true but I wouldn't say he has close to the consistency of an Armada

My reasoning for this is because smash 4 is a much easier game to reach top levels so you have much more people doing it. Melee is on a completely different level, hence why its so difficult for other players to break through to that level. While that may sound bias because I am in fact a melee player. I also play smash 4 at weeklies. However, I am primarily a melee player. But from what I have gathered, it is much easier for me to take wins in smash 4 than melee, even though I dont even practice smash 4 anymore.

Teddy Rose good point and sound reasoning, definitely a higher skill ceiling in melee

For the moment. You can't really compare a game that requires you to bring together the best of 15 years to one that does the same with 2. Everyone in Smash 4 sucks right now, and in 5 years these replays will look laughably bad.

Too bad it was offstream, mad respect to Big D for winning with King Dedede

He went Mario game 3 but still was a good upset.

vincent gregg Big D took out Tyrant?!?!

Oliver Dong Falcon mains will tell you to learn the match-up even though they suck at it. I can definitely confirm this... because that Falcon main would be me.

Oliver Dong I agree. Both are about equally good at bringing salt out of bad players.

And yet she fails. Wasn't expecting Salem to get 25th.

Oliver Dong no Rosalina and Luma are the ice climbers of smash 4.

Oliver Dong But DizzKiddBoogie can't place top 8 just by wobbling with Bayonetta because that's the only thing that DizzKidd knows how to do.

Sonicraft118 It literally became a meme as soon as the players realized what happened. Twitch chat wouldn't shut the hell up about it.

and bad internet lol

They realized at the end.