Everybody Guesses Wrong in Fighting Games 

"No one does that!" Which is exactly WHY some mad person *would* do that.

EXDP on someone in the corner is funny as hell, may have to try that

Im now mentally plus on block

The original video is called gamblecore by raxdflipnote btw if you were curious about the audio source

EX DP on your opponents wake up is the type of mad lad shit I’d expect Endingwalker to do to you

Kid named delay tech

"Okay, they do this option every time after this thing. I'm finally going to adapt." *they don't do that option because they're psychic, I guess, and blow me up* Aw, dang it.

Sometimes when I'm plus and my opponent does something ridiculous and wins the interaction, I remember Brawlpro saying "you're only minus if you're a bitch" and laugh instead of getting salty

Daigo literally hit crouch hard kick 12 times in a row against Rickt Ortiz and Ricky ate almost every single one. Aw dangit

The "aw dangit" sound effect playing in my head every time I make a wrong decision now is unironically improving my mental game

DP on my plus frames is a level of mind games i hope i never reach

doing a reversal on someone mashing on wake up is some kusoru tech i need to do that lmao

Genuinely, I love your content almost entirely because you generally aren't mean to your opponents. I like that energy and vibe.

Lately I’ve been trying to give my opponent credit for things they do and acknowledging the dice roll when I get hit in an RPS situation, and it’s really helping me improve faster. It stops me from taking everything that goes wrong in a match as a sign I did something wrong, and lets me focus instead on the choices I’m making and the way I’m executing-things I actually have control over. I think it helps especially when playing better players. I have a tendency to get frustrated with myself for not finding a path to victory, but the fact of the matter is you’ll lose a lot of interactions bc they’re playing on a higher level of the MU, and that’s fine! It really clears out your headspace, it’s amazing. People should be saying “aww dangit” more often I think, they would be happier campers.

That meme is so fucking funny. Also i feel like this video is missing the RPS cow lady.

Nothing feels worst than guessing wrong multiple times in a row lol

Still occasionally mess up my inputs, but still get the dopamine hit when I guess correctly. It’s a strange interaction to get bopped and be like “if I didn’t fuck up the motion I had their ass.”

One often overlooked thing as well is that sometimes as the player on offense it does work to throw out a completely stupid terrible option that one would do. Sometimes doing the dumbest thing ends up working cause your opponent is always thinking about the most optimal plays that you could do.

Every competitive game is like this to an extent due to the fundemental nature of information and fighting another human, fighting games just make it more obvious, because that's part of the fun

I've known the guy who made this meme (not the flipnote audio, but the SF6 clip) for well over a decade and it's been wild seeing him blow up this much over it. Unironically proud of him, tbh. (He's always been this funny, btw.)

Not gonna lie man. But eating 4 reversals in a row just for him to walk up throw on number 5 makes me wanna throw my stick out the window

the part people miss is getting put into the corner in the first place.

Is this like when Sajam says something he thinks is not a hot take, but somehow the internet disagrees Sajam - "Aww dangit!"

Ngl Sajams thumbnails are chef’s kiss

thx you i really needed this today.

The funny thing is that even if you were *just* playing rock paper scissors... everybody knows that guy who is their rock paper scissors demon. And while it's ridiculous there's something deeply deflating about realising you're missing a strategy in something so abstract and simple-seeming. The coolest thing about fighting games at a high level to me is how different players develop wildly different frameworks for understanding the decisions they're making - and how those frameworks make them better or worse at understanding other players. Just the concept of "this player is my demon" is kind of psychologically thrilling, no? Lab monsters and people who really dig into the details of the game end up like poker players who always play by the odds; getting good at the game isn't understanding what the numbers tell you. Getting good at the game is understanding what the numbers tell both you and the other player - and there's no way of getting good enough, in a well designed game, that you can remove that other player from the equation. Sooner or later you simply have to make a call, and there's no guaranteed safety there.

That video is one of the funniest things ive seen all year

4:00 its also misinputs fairly often, its important to register if your brain was right but your hands were wrong (or if your brain was wrong but your hands were right...)

And this is why you're the best, Sajam. Really appreciate you always emphasizing a big boy attitude about video games.

Sometimes, you gotta throw rock twice to see what happens

Me when I drive block to block highs, mids and lows: ☠️ (I got command grabbed)

Everyone is gangster till the Marisa whiffs gladius into DI, certified gimmick

Ain't nothin worse than getting hit with the No Mixup Mixup.

Once upon a time we call it a read.

I knew I was cursed to love this genre when I would pop off at correct guesses but not mind losing the match.

Guess =/= random I think that's what most people need to remember.

Yeah, I would ex-DP in pressure for laughs and giggles if I have the life to survive a punish (it was an ex-fireball misinput)

Surprised you didnt mention the Diaphone clip where he had this as a channel point reward against a Gief with 1 HP who he guessed wrong against every single interaction.

silly goose tech goes crazy

AW DANG IT

Idea: it’s not the guess, it is being ready to follow up correctly right after the guess.

LastCody and LifeJam have steeled this guys mental strength

no one ever expects the 5th walk up grab in a row

The "Accounting for risk-reward" part is what I struggle with the most, as I often come up with the worst scenarios possible not just in fighting games, but in daily life as well. However, objectively speaking, most people would not do something that might cost them the round (unless they don't know how punishable this option is), so that takes a few potential outcomes off the list. Then there are the options that just aren't that scary, so maybe playing around them isn't worth the mental stack. Knowing the difference between these two and the actual optimal options takes time, so not being too hard on yourself for guessing wrong AND doing your research when things do go bad is going to pay off in the long run.

_Chrchrchrchr_ Aw dang it!

Aw dang it

Anyone' got the link to the tweet?

Being stuck in the corner with burnout is like instantly going from flipping a coin to going all-in in Poker.

Ex DP on your opponents wake up ? We call that the Ending Walker

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I have literally never seen daigo tech a throw on wake up. He is the epitome of "just take the throw"

One of the most important things to keep in mind imo is that humans in general have major positive and negative recency bias so it's easy to get stuck in habits long-term like getting yourself in a high-low situation and doing high 85% of the time: even layering simple things like cr.L throw, immediate throw, cr.L cr.L throw, run up TK option to beat throw tech, delay DP to beat the opponent's DP, and so on. None of those options are particularly complicated but that's already 5 different things your opponent has to think about, but it's also 5 things that you have to think about and keep track of as well which is why running drills can be really beneficial.

Fighting games are about finding a way to hit someone with the dumbest shit so don't take it to heart when the opponent uses meaty fireball within throwing distance.

I strive to some day be able to play like schizophrenic69, constantly making the most unhinged plays that will make my opponent think I have brain damage but getting away with it anyway

Ive discovered that the healthiest thing for me in fighting games, is that when i guess wrong I say damn, good shit, and if my opponent guesses wrong i cackle like my house has chicken legs.

"let's go gambling!"

Let's go gambling is what you say when you still haven't realized the other human in the match.

Playing against Bison in SFV before V-Shift with a 4 frame jab character, felt like playing Texas Hold’em vs a dealer with cards with bent corners

could you do one where you talk about guessing, when you have better offense than your opponent? like, my guilty gear buddy and i are both bad, we do bad combos, but mine are slightly better. and because i tend to get higher reward for winning an interaction, i feel like i put less thought into the choices i make to get there. i just hold downback and occasionally press buttons, i get counterhit a lot, but i usually win anyway because when i guess right, i do more damage. it super doesn't work when i play online against other people, but it's really hard to break habits when they work against the people you play against most...

I know some people in the fgc don't like comparisons to irl sports but it is really like that in a lot of competitive scenes. Fake outs and guesses akin to something like gambling.

Bout to boot up and guess wrong against Scrumptious Steven yet again

The one game I ever got ok at, I realized the key was not winning 100% of my interactions, it was stepping back and asking myself “what interactions can I afford to lose”, deeply changed how I approached matchups. Of course, sometimes you will win 100% of your interactions and be heavily reward or vice versa, but such is the nature of the game :^)

Is there a fighting game with all or mostly all moves reactable ? I can only think of early seasons of For Honor

Gonna try the "Aw, dangit!" tech and see how far it takes me. Currently in somewhat low MR, will report back in a week or so.

great

Really s lot of people I'm tournaments will almost always flow chart a common throw loop

raxdflipnote really made it big now huh

If there's even the slightest chance you can go from losing to hitting the jackpot, you should take it.

How do you break down a character like Kan-Ra to know what to do in a situation?

Lag will tilt me so bad it carries over for the next few matches.

This video is especially true for street fighter 6 because of how often the game forces you into aw dangit scenarios. Literally just land one normal into drive rush and it’s guessing time.

I am quite a gambling man 😎

Was sajam talking about Darksydephil here? 🤔

Somewhat related, but I used to think people responding to a question like "What do I do here?" with "Just don't be there" was just trolling, but it's really solid advice. It's all about maximizing your offense and minimizing what your opponent can do. If Millia can knock you down and then throw out the disc, your best option is to keep that from happening to avoid the mix-up. Rush her down or zone her out. Always stay out of range of her sweep. it won't always work, but it's a way better way of looking at it than just throwing your hands up and declaring the game is random.

I never guess wrong, I always perfectly predict the most optimal and logical thing my opponent could do, they are just of so much lower skill that they cannot think of that option and do something else, so they catch me off guard and that's why I always lose

BZZT! "Aw dangit!" That's me in pretty much every single situation in SF6 :(

EXDP in the corner? Endingwalker is at it again!

0:33 zangief player do that;cause their anti air is shit against cross up so sometimes they walk back incase you try to cross it

Idk man there's that one time Daigo moment vs gamerbee where he dp'd in his face about 5 or 6 times. Also regarding ex dp in your advantage, that is the endingwalker special lol. However, I also do it to Kim players, because they are always pressing buttons. They think they are slayer or something idk.

The one who never wrong is the one who never play

I have the mysterious power of ALWAYS guessing wrong when I'm in a corner (in or out). Even when I try to switch my habits mid-match or even mid-pressure, it doesn't work. Pretty sure I constantly get matched against e-ESPers that somehow read my inputs before I even make them. Man, FGC is full of amazing beings...

I never guess wrong Sajam my opponent is just a scrub.

I’ve done ex dp on others wakeup before and it’s only worked out once but I felt so good.

sometimes i like to OD DP on wakeup 3 times in a row just to show the opponent i will definitely do it and dont really care. Usually the 2nd one in a row works lol.

I do ex dp on the opponents wakeup like 2 or 3 times a night I can only imagine their reaction as they jump or mash something only to get hit by ken ex dp 😂

Confession: i have absolutely gone for OD DP in the corner as Jamie lol. I sometimes do it after the drink ender rekka if I'm fairly confident they'll try to take their turn back after the -1 knockdown Forgive me....

I just dont know how you can make educated guesses with so many factors. Like by the time Im thinking about everything the oki is over and im eating dirt again

I mean thats just the nature of guessing, you can never reliably guess 100% correct every time.

Guessing wrong sucks, but, on the other hand, making a godlike read gives enough dopamine to last one month

"No one does that!" and with that, you've simultaneously just made all of my training partners start frothing at the mouth, while also putting a smile on my face.

the worst feeling is thinking you finally guessed right, trying to take your turn, and getting drive reversaled right back onto your ass. But at that point, good on them for keeping me in the corner 👍

I sort of think sf6 just enforces guessing scenarios more

Not me.

This is why we don’t gamble, kids

The worst version of this is when I (or an opponent) gets into a "gambling thing" mentality and just guesses instead of thinking about what the opponent's options are or what they are actually doing. Like a dope, I woke up lvl2 SA with gief trying to counter an Akuma meaty fireball. He backdashed out of range and never threw the fireball, and I thought "aw dangit". Then the Akuma DI'd straight into my lvl2 while it was still active and ate a jackhammer to lose the match. You can't DI a SA. Just a total brain fart by him and I have never felt so bad about stealing a win.

There should be a fighting game where it's all about skill and you only have 1HP. So everything has good cues and is reactable to. Let's see how that would do 😅

I stole Smug's tech of sayin good throw good hit ect and it helps me keep the perspective that we are both trying to be right within the wheel of options available.

it is i who ex dps on their wake up

0:28 Don't act like you've never beak follow up into dp with Sin, Sajam. I learned it from watching you.

I always look at the positives of a bad choice like “what should I have done?” My buddy apologizes to me all the time for “cheap stuff” but I just reassure him that he’s playing the character and I gotta learn