Everyone is WRONG about Paper Mario (except me) 

Nah this comment got it 😭

Lmao!

As the guy that did the good will comment, I want to say that I 1000% approve of this comment.

gotta play golden sun someday, I love shining force and the mario golf rpg!

throwing games around will never NOT be funny!

I think its haters blow it way further out of proportion. I was actually really intently listening to what he had to say about SPM and right as I was walking to get a drink convinced this video would be watchable the tone shifted in basically an instant and suddenly he's ripping it apart for the very design decisions he explained the point of so well in the first half. Every SPM hater makes the same tired nonexistent points. "Everything it does well is moot because it's not FUN" (then how did I have fun with it? what are you suggesting about the massive passionate fanbase of this game? Do you think the concept of fun is foreign to us?) "gee I sure love running for 5 minutes" (oh you mean the one that the game doesn't force you to do except on the first playthrough as long as you write down/remember the code? Or the one that's designed to sink in the scale of the destruction of a world as you walk through a wasteland as eerie music plays? The former is a funny gag the first time and if you do it every playthrough that's on you not the game, and the latter is literally a plot device that works very well in the context of the story. SPM is a game that is disingenuous to disregard any story context in how you judge the gameplay) "how DARE they make a platformer with TTYD's physics engine" (oh I'm sorry I forgot where the level design ever got so precise that that ever becomes an issue... I sure never had that thought cross my mind when playing it as a kid, probably because I was too immersed in this bizarre abstract new world and invested in the story. Also, I got used to this game's controls without a single complaint and whenever I screw up in this game I can see why it was due to my own error. I'm sorry your muscle memory from other Mario games didn't translate 1:1 but that's a disingenuous thing to hold against this game. This isn't a mainline 2D Mario. If it was it would still clear because those games have fuck all in terms of a story but that's a topic for another day) "oh no there's backtracking" (uh yeah because that's how a LOT of RPGs work and this game IS still an RPG despite also being a platformer, it was always gonna use some design philosophies from the previous PM games like TTYD, which also had a lot of backtracking, which I also think haters blow out of proportion btw) I won't deny the game has issues and I'd love to see a remake that fixes them. But I'll take these issues a thousand times over a game where all you meet are regular Toads, traditional Koopa Troop mooks, and Big Enemies/Koopalings/very limited original characters that feel like they were the result of a monkey's paw wish for original characters. Count Bleck alone solos EVERYTHING between SPM and the TTYD remake. I'm sorry. Add in Dimentio and it's not even fair.

@@fawfulthegreat64 Whoah, man, that's a lot of text I won't read. I'm not hating on Super Paper Mario, chill. I'm just saying it's an 8 out of 10 at best. Which is to say, a good game.

@@fawfulthegreat64 The level design in SPM is terrible on a fundamental level. I say this as someone who likes the game. The code thing cannot be excused by a "well it only sucks on a first playthrough" because that's still terrible game design. Running on a wheel for five minutes just to get a code is stupid and inexcusable. It's just not fun. This sort of thing appears time and time again throughout the game; the level design is designed to be annoying rather than fun. The game makes you run back through a level just to type "please" an absurd number of times in order to get a stupidly long code that exists for no reason other than to be obnoxious. The Overthere Stair is just a repetitive scattering of identical clouds. There are many examples of this throughout the game. It is a massive flaw that cannot be ignored just because you like the characters. The game's story also isn't the masterpiece that people seem to think it is and honestly it really suffers from a lack of real, permanent consequences but that's not really the point of this comment. It's still the best Mario story but it's not good enough to just ignore the game's many flaws.

I see people regarding super below oragami king

fake news

@artvandelay2873 that kind of works if you get the lighting right, but it's not really that consistent. I found a wii and sensor bar after filming that though so I'm all good now

It reminds me of people who say ATM machines or RPG games.

Correction: Super Paper Mario is an action RPG. The focus of the game is attacking enemies to level up and using other RPG elements to get stronger. Platforming was never the focus of the game. Most of the hate seems to come from people not realizing what kind of game it is. It has its flaws, but complaints like “There’s no turn based combat” or “It doesn’t control like a platformer/not enough platforming” aren’t valid criticism. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Paper_Mario

Not the Oswego one, so I guess, I have to delete this comment.

How did you manage to play both and still think they're the same game The second game opens in a slum town with a noose in the middle

I wish it kept the rpg elements like leveling up and stuff; it came out during a hard time in my life and it really left a bad taste in my mouth when I was like 25 and wanted something modest to enjoy :/

Nah. Console games as handheld games were not at all a novelty at that time. The GameBoy was 20 years old by then. It was just Nintendo being Nintendo.

@@Robert_D_Mercer I understand where you are coming from. I guess I just didn't expect much of an rpg from paper mario after super paper mario, which is arguably less of an rpg than sticker star. It's maybe hard to remember that sticker star was kind of a return to form in a lot of ways, when compared to super paper mario. I don't know I just play a lot of portable games, from gameboy to 3ds. And sticker star just gives me that vibe, of the water down cheap portable version of a paper mario game. The paper mario that you play on the bus, the one that you can skip in the mainline series, unless you are a big fan of paper mario or of portable gaming. To exist alongside resident evil gaiden or metal gear ghost babel, donkey kong land, batman Arkham origins black gate, or the various ubisoft, activision portable versions of games like call of duty or assassin's creed. Probably not the best defense for it lol. But I had fun playing it for what it is, just like I have fun with all the other water down versions of games. The biggest problem might be that the industry was already moving away from that mentality and the hardware was just too powerful now for cheapness.

There are more shortcuts to reduce the back tracking and 2 new secret boss fights but that's it

1:42:09 oh okay 😯

that's a mario and luigi game ;-;