Everyone Plays a Wizard! Single Class Groups in D&D 5e 

In a party with four wizards, I can imagine a scene where all four familiars hang out together and complain about their respective wizards.

I once joined a campaign with 3 artificers, 2 Armorers and a Battle Smith. It was a complete coincidence but it was amazing. During the end of the campaign, the DM created a system were everyone could combine together to create a giant Power Ranger like mech. It was awesome!

4 wizards are basically the Big Bang Theory party where you can start each session with a cold open of wizards doing some incredibly important-looking wizard calcs only to have one go, "And that's how we know Mordenkainen never invented a fleshlight!"

Id love to imagine a group of wizards, sitting around the campfire during a long rest, with a big whiteboard writing out different plans and flow charts like the Big Bang group

The all Bard party has the easiest story hook to come up with, they are a touring band but get wrapped up in crazy stuff. There's also tons of Versatility among the class.

Seeing Monty just collapse at Kelly mentioning simulacrum is sending me

I once encountered a party with 3 very different druids, 1 ranger, and 1 very nature-themed barbarian. none of us had coordinated our characters in any way. It was absolutely hilarious. Our DM was just like "well at least coming up with a new plot will be easy." Lol

Can't wait for the riveting 5 minute gameplay discussion of the 4 barbarian party!

I can already see a party of Rogues being like Ocean's 11 and I love it

An all cleric party could kick ass … especially if the DM is running an undead heavy campaign.

Might be a sleeper pick, but I think Order of Scribes excels in this group, especially when they access manifest and can start doing their spellbook drone shenanigans

I love how this discussion of an 'out there' concept rapidly dissolved into a campaign planning brainstorm session!

Being able to sling Slow to an enemy and Haste to a Bladesinger would melt a lot of combat encounters

Dude imagine starting as 4 wizard students at a school just all friends and your own clique progressing through the levels until you hit t3 and t4 and you’re suddenly just unstoppable together that sounds awesome

I imagine that every time the party levels up, they all pick different spells then share them across the whole group, so you get 8 new spells per level (at a very hefty price)

We actually did an all Bard party one time and it was amazing. Our little band caused so much chaos across the land

"What happens when one spell is cast four times" Instantly my mind went to Wish. Four wish spells. These guys can literally reshape reality however they see fit, whenever they see fit

Gimmick campaigns where everybody plays the same classes are really fun, especially if it's bards and barbarians something about those classes just bring out the best role play in that scenario. Of course you always get that one player that has to be different 😂

Now I'm imagining using all four Wizards setting up Walls of Force in like a radius style where it surrounds the encounter. Then using Telekinesis to pick up various enemies and hurl them at the various Walls of Force like pinballs! XD

This is basically the concept of Ars Magica; each player makes a powerful mage who share a communal living space, and have to deal with other wizard communities. It's so much fun!

Funny enough, I think this concept actually makes the Magic Initiate feat a lot more viable. Have your abjurer dip into the warlock list for armor of agathys. Have one of them go for artificer for the guidance cantrip and cure wounds, then you get a bit of healing. Just a cool way to increase their versatility even further.

We did this for Curse of Strahd, except everyone was a cleric. It was great.

I’m very curious what these two are gonna think about an all-warlock party. I feel that exploring how all the different patrons interact would be incredibly interesting (perhaps the players are inhabiting the patrons themselves as they coordinate their underlings to enact schemes), and the immediate hail of Eldritch Blast fire when swords are drawn sounds absolutely hilarious.

I love these therotical videos. It inspires such great ideas. You guys are so creative and talented. I also really like the casual format of your videos, it feels like we are just siting down and chating. Big thanks and big fist bumps.

I hope this a full series. I think a cleric party could be amazing.

I did the all-wizard party once as DM. A magical accident at the wizard guild blew a group of journeyman wizards into an alternate reality.

Having the all wizard party fight against the Yuan-ti could be interesting. They have magic and magic resistance to add a bit of challenge. Furthermore, Yuan-ti trying to sneakily infiltrate and usurp governments lends itself to the investigator angle, especially if they're already sacrifing humanoids

Episode 199 of the unexpectables is a one-shot where the party is a party of just wild magic sorcerers. It was phenomenal.

I'll say this the wizard study party sells me on the "First ever wizards" premise because then you have that in character excitement of "Oh look at this cool spell I made!" like a bunch of academics each studying their own field and sharing their results with related fields. Right now I'm having the opposite problem though because I just got Keys to the Golden Vault and as I'm reading through it, it feels like the kind of missions where you have to make the characters specifically for the mission. Not that you can't take say 4 barbarians to steal the Murkmire stone, but it does make it specifically harder since you're not likely going to have thieves tool proficiencies, or the social abilities of a bard, or any of the useful spellcasting other classes bring to the table. Really with 4 barbarians I think it becomes less a heist and more a smash and grab. Not that it isn't an entirely invalid way to solve the mission I just feel it's missing the point. But on that note I would love to see more "Ooops all " videos or even maybe a book with short all one class adventures I could buy wink wink.

12:20 - For higher level parties, Enchanter 14 has an amazing feature: Alter Memories > At 14th level, you gain the ability to make a creature unaware of your magical influence on it. When you cast an enchantment spell to charm one or more creatures, you can alter one creature's understanding so that it remains unaware of being charmed. > > Additionally, once before the spell expires, you can use your action to try to make the chosen creature forget some of the time it spent charmed. The creature must succeed on an Intelligence saving throw against your wizard spell save DC or lose a number of hours of its memories equal to 1 + your Charisma modifier (minimum of 1). You can make the creature forget less time, and the amount of time can't exceed the duration of your enchantment spell. This makes their Charm Person vastly better than anyone else's Charm Person for some use-cases, since you aren't burning your bridges by using it on someone that didn't already dislike and distrust you. Some charm spells explicitly say thing like "When the spell ends, the creature knows it was charmed by you." which is a big problem for their usability. OTOH, some spells don't have that feature, like Suggestion, so a subtle enough suggestion might not raise the suspicions of a guard or a king. Or might only be suspicions, not enough to act on once. This reminds me a bit of the Whispers Bard, which has some abilities that if they fail, the target gets no clue you tried to frighten them; that kind of thing is very important for taking the worst-case scenario off the table (you don't get what you wanted, and you're in big trouble.) But for an enchanter, they'd still see you casting a spell at them if they made their save, unless you took a feat for Subtle Spell, or managed to arrange things to cast from out of sight or hidden in a crowd.

An all-wizard party is essentially the trope of “You either die a hero (low early hp) or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain (demiplane fortress sending out monsters).” Back in the 80s my cousins and I would visit my grandparents' house every Sunday and the older ones would play D&D (this was AD&D or 1st edition to you young un's) and at the start of a new dungeon crawl, they each decided to make their characters in secret with the DM. They chose what they thought the others would never suspect they would pick. In short, in the initial meeting in the tavern (classic), they were all hooded figures with staves. This was AD&D which meant they could only cast one spell a day, and they all memorized magic missile. I think they were tpk'd by the second (if not first) encounter! 😆

Can't wait for Jocats A-men concept. 4 clerics are unstoppable.

cant wait for you to troll us with " Everyone Plays a Monk ! single class clusterfuck meme-groups in d&d 5e"

There is actually an RPG called Ars Magica built around the “everyone plays a wizard” concept. And Mage: The Ascension if you want to go modern day.

The wizard party's ability to "yes, and" the spells and ideas of the first player to start a line of action is golden. As exemplified by minor illusion. But imagine Mass Suggestion *4, four saves on Zone of Truth, a tennis court worth of Web

We did an all-Bard party where we were a band auditioning to be the house band in a level of the Abyss. Total blast!

Oh man, I can't wait to see the rogue and ranger party videos. A solid thieves guild setting is always fun! A party of rangers deep in enemy territory running raids and operating as clandestine commandos is so cool, that would bring out the Gaunt's Ghosts roleplay in me

For the Wizard Party, Halfling Mark of Healing gets a few Healing spells, There are also a number of backgrounds who get access to Healing spells as well.

Once I played a campaign where everyone played a diferent rogue subclass. It was loads of fun, specially when the DM realized on session 2 that we had a secret language thanks to Thieves Chant.

I'd love to see a party that's all pet classes- drakewarden, beastmaster, battlesmith, creation bard...

I think there is a ton of fun to be had with a campaign like this. The DM can really lean into a story with one focus. I personally think a story like this has more potential for depth than a standard dungeon crawl where everyone has their own character with a different goal, needs and challenges. But I've rarely found a group willing to make the same character types

I have wanted to play an all wizard party for so long and I can’t express how much I love seeing it talked about to this extent.

Best idea ever, I love the all wizard team just as much as y'all do. I love the group of investigators solving mysterious arcane phenomenons, and then gaining new knowledge they can bring in the future missions.

Each wizard can learn different spells and then scribe from each other so everyone will get 8 spells while leveling up, the only problem would be money.

Our group has done this with Fighters, Bards, Barbarians, and Clerics. Clerics so far has been the funnest to do, they are so versatile. The bards one I missed, but I heard everyone was just a bit too squishy.

Currently running a game for a group of 5 warlocks (one warlock/rogue). It’s a blast so far, really loving the backstory options so far and how they interact with all having different patrons.

I love seeing how increasingly excited you two get throughout this video. This is such great party idea!

"You know what a bunch of wizards in one place is? Fucking trouble."

I’ve always wondered what a single class party entails/how they would actually function, so I’m super excited for this series!

Instantly dropping everything I was doing to write a Wizards Bureau vs. the Elder Brain mini-campaign

Please do more of these single class groups videos!

I would love for this to become a series it’s so fun and interesting 🤩

The talk about saving spells instead of using the flashiest options immediately took me back to that one scene in Passage to Dawn, when Robillard and Harpell tried to one-up each other That could definitely be a problem in an all-wizard party)))

This is now my dream campaign too! I freakin love this idea so much!!

I actually played in a campaign where the big bads were a group of wizards who each specialized in a spectral musical instrument and an associated school of magic. Like, for instance, one was a big, burly, abjurer goliath who fought with his bare fists, and another was a half-orc illusionist who fought in melee with shadow blades, and could make illusory clones of himself.

I've got a 4 caster party (2 wizards). I'm really glad I watched one of your videos about how parties without healers go about things differently. They recently went in against an adult red dragon and it was the first real defeat they've had since level 3. Once all the spells go down, they don't last more than a round. I had to learn as a DM that if they don't burst the enemies, they're probably not going to win the combat. I have no regrets with the red dragon though. That was so cool!

I LOVE this idea as a series. Please theme the campaigns around what the party would do bards NEED to be a battle of the bands.

The original DM at our table just ran a short story of this but with rogues and it has been so much fun. We have an oni, a changeling, a half-orc and a rabbit person. So it’s awesomely diverse in possibilities

A prequel to a familiar book series, perhaps? 4 wizards, who in the end of their adventures, retire to build a castle/magic school next to a lake with a giant squid. Then, find/create magically subjucated breed of gnomes to do all the chores in said castle. Also one of them might have been a Yuan-Ti.

As much fun 4 Wizard party would be, I kinda like the idea of a 4 Warlock party. Simply because I want to see Eldritch Blasts with the Invocation Repelling Blast just peppering every enemy rapid fire into a wall. Or, even better, two with Repelling Blast and two with Grasp of Hadar, whipping the target back and forth violently. Death by motion sickness.

The no magic dungeon scenario: everyone learns raise dead, sends in max number of skeletons and zombies until it's clear.

I did this 18 years ago in 3.5 and it was a blast. Glad to hear things are still as amazing.

32:00 Aaaaaand Monty LITERALLY describes a major subplot of my 4th Edition campaign.

Speaking of all wizard party, I love the Untold Tales of Drakkenheim: The Clean Up Crew.

Dude This is easily a series man This is incredible

“Oh dear adventurers please help us beat the anti magic dungeon” All wizard party: “nah. I’m good. I’ll go to literally any other dungeon. Bye”

Excellent, as always. Thank you. I’ve been waiting for your all one class series since the ‘Strongest Party’ episode. And I’ll wait as long as I need to for the Cleric one, it’s a favorite of mine.

30:05 I love how Monty just goes to "gaslight the heck outta the enemy."

I can’t wait for an all clerics video. That one’s gonna be great with all the versatility those subclasses have

I'm surprised neither of you brought up scribes wizard! They thrive when they can have tons of spells in spellbook and an all-wizard party is perfect for that

I can't wait for the rest of this series, I think that literally any class you go with would be an amazing campaign.

This video was great! Love the candid talking back and forth, just having a good time

This is such a cool party concept. I love it! Also, I’d be the first to support you guys playing an all wizard party if you decided to do a campaign involving the founding of the Amethyst Academy (when and if the current Drakenheim campaign concludes, of course). That would be cool too!

Vampiric touch on a hasted wizard could be a lot like healing

I love this series idea! I’m excited to hear your thoughts on parties made up of the other classes!

Literally everything y'all said was gold. Can't wait for more of these videos on the different classes!

I am SO excited for the rest of this video series, omg. These are going to be so fun for all the classes. ^v^

Just got my stuff from ghostfire! Took a little long but my oh my this gear is good! The Dungeons Of Drakkenheim book is beautiful and those special delerium dice are absolutely gorgeous! Thanks for making these awesome products Dudes

I have always loved the idea of a party playing the same class. This is an amazing idea and you two showed how possible it actually is. Thank you!

I've never played an all-wizard party, but I did play in an all-Tremere Vampire: The Masquerade game. It was a lot of fun, partly because only one of the four characters was any good at combat, so we ended up doing a lot of other cool stuff.

The thing is each of the Wizards can choose different spells when they level up and teach each other as well.

Overlap be damned, hard to beat 4 divination wizards

It was very cool watching you two riff off each other with ideas for party composition and adventure plots. 🤯 One of your best "Everyone plays a..." (and I'm only 2 or 3 into the series :) )...

As you said, the all wizard party sits around a fire or spends downtime sharing spells with each other. They also spend time creating a party-wide tome they can use to recreate their own spellbooks when damaged. They can make extra copies of this ponderous tome for sale to small kingdoms.

The no magic dungeon sounds like a great survival horror esque moment for the party. Especially if as they go along thery start to see things out of place and they slowly realise wandering adventurers are not the only reason this field is in place. Cue a frantic blasting their way out as magic returns to the dungeon

Man I really wanna see what the Dungeon Dudes suggest for an All Barbarian Party. Lol

1. In the original Final Fantasy, you could set up your party of 4 like this if you wished: 1 or 2 of any given class was standard, but you could do 4 of one class. Each presented its own set of challenges and advantages because of how the game was set up. I really like the idea for D&D, but it never seemed sensible in "normal play." The DM would have to work the campaign carefully, because some, like this, could be a real nightmare. But what a great opportunity and what a cool way to play. I enjoyed watching you guys figuring this out. 2. Long ago, in the halcyon AD&D days of the Before times, there was a published adventure where the pre-gen characters (the ones you "had" to play) were all human fighters with a common origin, some of whom dual-classed (the clunky human version of multi-classing bitd) after their army days. When 3e came along, this suddenly made a lot of sense to me as a cool foundation for a campaign. Everyone begins as the same class, maybe 2nd level. When they level up, they can multi-class. They're the same initially, but then they diversify. And with 5e backgrounds, it adds worlds of options.

That's actually kinda neat! Especially since that idea is usually taken as a rival group to an actual party. Like an evil group of wizards making experiments under a mind controlled King (actually my current campaign is something similar). I can imagine as a DM, ambushing a PC Party as Four Cloaked Figures appear in the side of a cliff, a red Moon on their backs and saying, "The Cloaked Wizards are going to cast Fireball at 5th Level. Make 4 Dexterity Saving Throws."

Here’s a fun twist that solves the Fireball problem: a shared spellbook Everyone shares one giant tome that has to be lugged around, and only one person can have each spell prepared! (Also gives a sneaky incentive to have at least one wizard with above average strength, at least until extraplanar storage is accessible!)

This was a fun video. It's been a while since I just watched/listened to one of your videos and simply enjoyed the discussion. Thank you for doing this.

Definitely would love to see a video like this for most if not all of the classes!

This series is going to be great! You dudes are awesome!

The idea that came to mind for me is 4 wizards in a setting where they are the only ones to uncover spell casting through learning to manipulate the universe, as the few people who have natural magical abilities are hunted down and imprisoned. So you 4 can go around and build up your home base while trying to keep a low profile until perhaps you decide to fight back or even doing a jailbreak to help out the magical folk who are imprisoned. This concept of all 4 of the same class helps really theme a concept it is amazing.

Really looking forward to the rest of this series!

We played a 4 wizard campaign not that long ago. It went from lvl 5-12. We had a necromancer, blade singer, divination, and chronaturgy. The amount of spell chain combinations were incredible. Then forcing saving fails or increasing the odds of saving fails was very exciting. We were playing in a kingdom where a wizard clan (large group of wizards had all joined together in this are). We’re influencing the king to take over some shadow lands with a secret agenda to open a gateway into another dimension at the other end of the shadow lands. A group of wizards (the party and two elders) broke from the group with a hodgepodge of older (retired) knights, the majority of the Druidic Forrest, and the last vestiges of the elvin population not associated with the wizard guild. The players had to basically circumvent the wizard guild, infiltrate their bases, set traps in the shadowlands but make it seem like it was not done by the resistance group, and try and sway members of the kings court to gain influence in turning the kingdom from their path in opening up the gate. There wasn’t an anti magic field but there was an area of the shadow lands where there was a shadow version of yourself kinda the inverse of your skills. Where your asi were swapped when you were in the area. - Strength of body swapped to strength of mind (STR INT) physical quickness swapped with quickness of wit (DEX CHA) and residence of body (internal resilience) swapped with resilience with your of your surroundings (external resilience) (CON WIS). The players loved that break up for three sessions (and it was hilarious all the commentary about using simpleton tools like blunt weapons how messy it was welding a sword and the complaints about blisters) trying to wade through the area to escape its effects.

When you guys get to the cleric please call them the A-Men!!

33 mins of two DnD Nerds(compliment) salivating over the shenanigans.. 5 stars, would watch again.

Alternative theme: Four little old ladies in a knitting group who are secretly a coven of witches

"Can I handle it as a DM? I don't know? Maybe?" That's what I've been thinking all video.

I love reading the Dresden Files too! If I would pick 4 wizards I'd choose: Bladesinger, Illusionist, War Magic, and Necromancer