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EVERYONE VS. SEPHIROTH 

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Little Z and HopCat Play Sephiroth against a wide variety of characters to see how good he REALLY is...
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@demonlewds
@demonlewds 3 года назад
“Click the bell to be like shirtless sephiroth” shit that’s all you had to say
@brossmash6939
@brossmash6939 3 года назад
I have to keep changing my pants every time I play against a shirtless sephiroth :/
@Xorts_1
@Xorts_1 3 года назад
@@brossmash6939 I’m subbing to you now LMAO
@efenedick1305
@efenedick1305 3 года назад
Man, I WISH
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 3 года назад
@@brossmash6939 same, hate when that happens
@brossmash6939
@brossmash6939 3 года назад
@@Xorts_1 ayeee thank you! Welcome to the channel!
@waheedabdullah6371
@waheedabdullah6371 3 года назад
Do, "Each time I lose as Sephiroth, I watch Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Movie"
@krisp1630
@krisp1630 3 года назад
This
@jasontheros2236
@jasontheros2236 3 года назад
Good idea
@notoriousDIP
@notoriousDIP 3 года назад
This is epic
@LS-td4yf
@LS-td4yf 3 года назад
But it’s not that bad of a movie
@Nickplaysgaming
@Nickplaysgaming 3 года назад
Krisp epicc
@entropy3956
@entropy3956 3 года назад
1:24 "Does this guy have a wall jump?" He can literally stick his sword into the stage three times.
@CaptainCFalcon
@CaptainCFalcon 3 года назад
Twice, actually.
@cancersilver9546
@cancersilver9546 3 года назад
Regardless, when he gets his wing @ 80 dmg i think, he has an EXTRA JUMP that nobody used here
@CaptainCFalcon
@CaptainCFalcon 3 года назад
@@cancersilver9546 it isn't a fixed percentage. It's range is anywhere between 30% & 110%, & the gap could be wider if the ruleset allows it.
@CaptainCFalcon
@CaptainCFalcon 3 года назад
@@cancersilver9546 actually, disregard what I said. Apparently the lowest it can start at is 30% & the highest it can start is at 110%. All that matters if you have a BIG lead/disadvantage.
@cancersilver9546
@cancersilver9546 3 года назад
@@CaptainCFalcon jesus still. An extra jump is already stupid
@Ludvix
@Ludvix 3 года назад
More like Sephiroth vs sephiroth because elite smash is literally a 99.9% sephiroth choose rate
@j.b.8086
@j.b.8086 3 года назад
Hiiii Ludvix
@brossmash6939
@brossmash6939 3 года назад
HAHA facts
@MegaCokamo
@MegaCokamo 3 года назад
Really? I have yet to play a sephiroth on elite 🤔 Never mind...
@Xorts_1
@Xorts_1 3 года назад
@@MegaCokamo then you lucky
@mactheavenger1495
@mactheavenger1495 3 года назад
True lol
@Bluetartinator8
@Bluetartinator8 3 года назад
How about a “Each time I lose, I draw fan art of the winner”?
@CDJAM-webm
@CDJAM-webm 3 года назад
oh boy you gave me ideas *draws sephiroth 15 times*
@berna6348
@berna6348 3 года назад
How about fanfic
@spacecase2187
@spacecase2187 3 года назад
@@berna6348 How about no
@Endershock1678
@Endershock1678 3 года назад
@@berna6348 Every Time I Lose, I Do a Read-Along of Wattpad Fanfiction of the Winner.
@monky4640
@monky4640 3 года назад
@@Endershock1678 OH GOD NO
@lsieman65
@lsieman65 3 года назад
Challenge: Play Inkling and when you lose you paint the character you lost to...
@brossmash6939
@brossmash6939 3 года назад
Daaamn this would be insane! really cool idea
@PrettyKoolCrocodile
@PrettyKoolCrocodile 3 года назад
Play Inkling and never Back Air would be mine
@Golds25000
@Golds25000 3 года назад
Luckle65 that’s amazing
@lsieman65
@lsieman65 3 года назад
@StarHunter OP haha and that’s the point
@justinhaugan1124
@justinhaugan1124 3 года назад
Fine arts, I like your idea
@Rat_the_Renegade
@Rat_the_Renegade 3 года назад
"EVWRYONE VS. SEPHIROTH" Everyone except the canon fight against Cloud apparently.
@justsomegamer6231
@justsomegamer6231 3 года назад
"Thats HOW i get back to stage!" F-air: *there is another*
@OrangeToadGamer
@OrangeToadGamer 3 года назад
Bowser:I steal Princess K Rool: I steal Banana Sephiroth: *I just wanna kill some people*
@nahte123456
@nahte123456 3 года назад
Ridly: has genocides planets already and makes Sephiroth's actions look like nothing.
@Endershock1678
@Endershock1678 3 года назад
@@nahte123456 We need Marx or Zero in here to one up Ridley.
@efenedick1305
@efenedick1305 3 года назад
Sephiroth: *I steal lives*
@JAMes-vc6gd
@JAMes-vc6gd 3 года назад
Sephiroth: I steal souls then become a literal god
@jojolionenjoyer5769
@jojolionenjoyer5769 3 года назад
@@nahte123456 sephiroth blew up the solar system 💀
@mactheavenger1495
@mactheavenger1495 3 года назад
"Hit the bell and you can look like shirtless Sephiroth" Does that mean everyone who already subbed and hit the bell will become all powerful?
@AndresA.2431
@AndresA.2431 3 года назад
8:00 As a sonic main, I took that personally
@Idonotlikepeanutbutter832
@Idonotlikepeanutbutter832 3 года назад
Make a, “One Sephiroth stock lost, I eat one wing”
@dracocrusher
@dracocrusher 3 года назад
Each stock lost he eats a spicy wing. Because fire.
@tomatopoo5806
@tomatopoo5806 3 года назад
Each time he loses a stock with pit he eats TWO wings
@solemnsovereign758
@solemnsovereign758 3 года назад
@@tomatopoo5806 when he loses with Pit, he has to teach someone how to read
@teddyreddinger1916
@teddyreddinger1916 3 года назад
A super hot wing
@pepper6592
@pepper6592 3 года назад
the editing tricks he uses are actually impressive, like at 4:50 he "rewinds" but if you pay attention it actually happens AFTER he up B kills (hopcats stock count is only 2)
@bumblebee8903
@bumblebee8903 3 года назад
Not including Cloud in this video feels like a wasted opportunity.
@dagoattman
@dagoattman 3 года назад
So many jokes down the drain...
@bumblebee8903
@bumblebee8903 3 года назад
@@dagoattman That wasn’t supposed to be a joke. I’m just saying it doesn’t feel right not including Cloud in a Sephiroth video.
@dagoattman
@dagoattman 3 года назад
Yeah I agree I was just saying he coulda made some Final Fantasy jokes👍
@bumblebee8903
@bumblebee8903 3 года назад
@@dagoattman Oh, okay.
@playa24life80
@playa24life80 3 года назад
To be faaaair...neither of them are FF7 fans so I don’t blame them for not doing it.
@gthefatgamer4194
@gthefatgamer4194 3 года назад
“Good to see you...everyone?”
@isaacm6052
@isaacm6052 3 года назад
Good to see you too, fatty.
@Bluetartinator8
@Bluetartinator8 3 года назад
Make a, “Each time I lose as Wolf, I watch Wolfwalkers movie”
@skymaker1
@skymaker1 3 года назад
No dances with wolves. Everytime he looses he has to watch a 6 hour movie
@peucoman
@peucoman 3 года назад
No: the entire Alpha and Omega franchise
@Ian-fi7co
@Ian-fi7co 3 года назад
I just got an ad for that
@iloveemiliaandrem9443
@iloveemiliaandrem9443 3 года назад
No he should watch howling 2:your sister is a wolf instead. The original title of this movie is somewere around "wolf bitch" these are the two words that stuck with me
@gort628
@gort628 3 года назад
@@skymaker1 you are an evil mab
@blackcoffmf6187
@blackcoffmf6187 3 года назад
Alternative title: Little Z and Hopcat forget downB exists while playing Sephiroth dittos for 18 minutes
@fivestarguy100
@fivestarguy100 2 года назад
Also Little Z and Hopcat forget that F-air sticks into the wall as another form of recovery for 18 minutes.
@underspellJR
@underspellJR 3 года назад
3:47 So are we just gonna ignore the perfect sincronization???
@lillylilly5046
@lillylilly5046 3 года назад
Yoooo actually
@verrcool1703
@verrcool1703 3 года назад
They are so used to play against each other that they do stuff like that xD
@user-mi1zt8rj7e
@user-mi1zt8rj7e 3 года назад
"Does this guy have a wall jump" This guy can literally chill by stabbing his sword in the wall
@MasterOfQuack
@MasterOfQuack 3 года назад
5:20 God Sephiroths sword is literally 3 times longer than Ike's.. Hes definitely compensating for something
@Endershock1678
@Endershock1678 3 года назад
His lack of friends.
@illegalmemedealer3549
@illegalmemedealer3549 3 года назад
Mommy issues
@solemnsovereign758
@solemnsovereign758 3 года назад
They do both have an obsession with a brooding anime dude, so there's that
@LittleAl016
@LittleAl016 3 года назад
@@solemnsovereign758 In Ike's case, you talking about Soren? Or are you talking about the black-haired Sephy?
@solemnsovereign758
@solemnsovereign758 3 года назад
@@LittleAl016 I'm talking about Soren for Ike, and cloud for Seph
@bobokong8723
@bobokong8723 3 года назад
*The Underdogs* Zack: the fake hype Peter: the cool hot one Jordan: embodiment of wholesome Jackson: the chillest of men Lame. Cool. Wholesome. Chill. Long ago, the four underdogs played together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the fake hype decided to scream everytime he got a hit and calling the rest lame....
@armanabadmusic
@armanabadmusic 3 года назад
Damn you did zack dirty lol
@Endershock1678
@Endershock1678 3 года назад
I figured Peter was the toxic one, since that's kinda the role he plays within the dynamic.
@gabrielkrows488
@gabrielkrows488 3 года назад
Are snuffles and asiatic part of the underdogs too? Or am I dumb
@Endershock1678
@Endershock1678 3 года назад
​@@gabrielkrows488 Snuffles kinda is, he's kinda like an honorary member, or like a special guest, while Asiatic just straight up isn't (he doesn't record with them since Zack and Peter moved houses and they don't live together anymore. He also isn't active on RU-vid or Twitter, so who knows what happened to him.
@python395
@python395 3 года назад
3:43 you can tell they've played a ton of smash together when they both take the same exact path in a moment of panic loool
@csikotajozsef9669
@csikotajozsef9669 3 года назад
13:20 Perfectly synced with the music
@AppleAbbles
@AppleAbbles 3 года назад
3:54 :D
@Mr_Meister
@Mr_Meister 3 года назад
the best thing about Sephiroth in smash is that it means the character select screen is a complete rectangle once again
@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668
@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 3 года назад
I'm gonna be so angry when the next character gets added and ruins that
@solemnsovereign758
@solemnsovereign758 3 года назад
@@Tiquono I both love and hate that you're right cause I want it to be a perfect rectangle, but I like having the echoes seperate cause it looks like more characters, and I tend to play the echo over the original (i.e Richter, Dark Pit, Dark Samus etc.)
@nevohyams
@nevohyams Год назад
@@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 behold the power of the Aegis!
@TanoKaen
@TanoKaen 3 года назад
Little Z laughing, crying and screaming for 18 minutes straight
@sethlangston181
@sethlangston181 3 года назад
Dracula: I guess the same could be said about all his videos
@fivestarguy100
@fivestarguy100 2 года назад
Isn’t that like 95% of his channel?
@enochtan2098
@enochtan2098 3 года назад
R.I.P Sora Killed by Sephiroth on the way to the smash roster.
@kennethkay7226
@kennethkay7226 3 года назад
His gummi ship was sliced in half. Now he is in the final world again.
@GMKGoji01
@GMKGoji01 3 года назад
Sora deserved it!
@GstroyHD
@GstroyHD 3 года назад
As if Disney let Sora out of the dungeon to be in smash, lmao.
@arceuse1999
@arceuse1999 3 года назад
And Geno got intimidated into becoming a mii costume.
@Xorts_1
@Xorts_1 3 года назад
It wasn’t gonna work out man
@dylanbosley4139
@dylanbosley4139 3 года назад
Day 14 of petitioning Little Z to follow through on his 700k toaster reveal
@Action-Hero
@Action-Hero 3 года назад
How about “Every time I lose as Sephiroth, I watch Advent Children.”
@Idonotlikepeanutbutter832
@Idonotlikepeanutbutter832 3 года назад
Make a, “Each time I lose as Duck Hunt, I watch Alone for Christmas movie”
@yoshiver1548
@yoshiver1548 3 года назад
How the hell does that correspond with each other?
@waheedabdullah6371
@waheedabdullah6371 3 года назад
@@yoshiver1548 Look up Alone for Christmas movie and look at the movie cover
@yoshiver1548
@yoshiver1548 3 года назад
@@waheedabdullah6371 It literally just has a dog. Still not seeing it since Duck Hunt has a bird AND a dog.
@robloxplays4322
@robloxplays4322 3 года назад
@@waheedabdullah6371 I don’t understand either
@brossmash6939
@brossmash6939 3 года назад
"The Medium Rare recovery" had me dying hahah
@jewel4606
@jewel4606 3 года назад
Little Z: Where’s the anything button? Chromebook ad: *”chromebook has an everything button”*
@leonardoalvarez5389
@leonardoalvarez5389 3 года назад
He's already one of Little Z's best characters
@0neM1nut3
@0neM1nut3 3 года назад
3 weeks later Does anybody remember the last time When you saw sephiroth online
@ArwenIsOnline
@ArwenIsOnline 3 года назад
The shirtless skin is truly the only option
@AsrielTheInkling
@AsrielTheInkling 3 года назад
0 seconds ago
@dougstacy5175
@dougstacy5175 3 года назад
just like shulk
@ArwenIsOnline
@ArwenIsOnline 3 года назад
@@dougstacy5175 couldn't agree more with that
@rabidsnakeyt5681
@rabidsnakeyt5681 3 года назад
Shirtless sephiroth is just shirtless shulk being copy and pasted
@based_bed
@based_bed 3 года назад
Actually it is skinless skin
@redzy4320
@redzy4320 3 года назад
3:46 perfectly in sync jumping together
@toxicastigator
@toxicastigator 3 года назад
Excellent commentary. Your infliction is incredible and your voice is silky smooth like butter 👌
@delirious_z9987
@delirious_z9987 3 года назад
Alternate tiltle: The shirtless chad hits back
@MCTAP
@MCTAP 3 года назад
I was waiting for this, my day has been made.
@zachkills4
@zachkills4 3 года назад
I love the editing man. Keep up all the content.
@alexhowle8202
@alexhowle8202 3 года назад
13:20 The music syncronization is truly Little Z's best character
@Sonicfan678
@Sonicfan678 3 года назад
7:58 This is a sad day for sonic players. 😢
@samicharif1722
@samicharif1722 3 года назад
challenging idea: play greninja and peach every time you lose watch the princess and the frog
@emii-olii3596
@emii-olii3596 3 года назад
I don't know what it is about editors responding to questions asked in the past that I love so much
@chrasmaster2780
@chrasmaster2780 3 года назад
This is the best series on your channel please keep doing these
@alexkaruhn4165
@alexkaruhn4165 3 года назад
I can't believe that they went through the entire video without using his Down-B
@unidentifiedbirb5337
@unidentifiedbirb5337 3 года назад
4:05 I prefer duel wield
@ReijiTsugikuni0626
@ReijiTsugikuni0626 3 года назад
When he says vs Everyone, it’s really just Little Z vs Hop every time
@thepepegalord7144
@thepepegalord7144 3 года назад
Make a, “Each time I lose, I lose” video
@albaniatmadji9209
@albaniatmadji9209 3 года назад
Wow I Tought He Win
@kylesantos5536
@kylesantos5536 3 года назад
If you’re sick Little Z, take a break! We’ll understand 🖤
@wondercat6842
@wondercat6842 3 года назад
He's not sick...
@wondercat6842
@wondercat6842 3 года назад
@Parker Family?
@tapr2536
@tapr2536 3 года назад
?
@tylerdavison9191
@tylerdavison9191 3 года назад
@@wondercat6842 in the underdogs video reacting for Sephiroths moveset, they said he was sick
@wondercat6842
@wondercat6842 3 года назад
@@tylerdavison9191 Ok
@thatdude1853
@thatdude1853 3 года назад
2:32 Little Z/ Hopcat out of context
@ChosenofDarkness8
@ChosenofDarkness8 3 года назад
8:43 "Do you want to know what death tastes like?"
@nazispy4537
@nazispy4537 3 года назад
Ridley: "I've made Peter and Zach lose so many stocks because of how much they try the hype up-b spike." Sephiroth: "Hold my shirt"
@theskyeisblue6802
@theskyeisblue6802 3 года назад
K rool mains be like: "I lost.. but at what cost.."
@PrettyKoolCrocodile
@PrettyKoolCrocodile 3 года назад
Heh
@dilltamacipher8374
@dilltamacipher8374 3 года назад
@@PrettyKoolCrocodile as a fellow k rool main sephiroth is excellent as a edge guarder
@PrettyKoolCrocodile
@PrettyKoolCrocodile 3 года назад
@@dilltamacipher8374 Yeah his Down Air shorthopped beats our Up B and no matter how much buffs we get, this is always going to work
@linusstark8120
@linusstark8120 3 года назад
Theres only 1 thing that is bad with ur vids and that is when the video ends. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
@CommanderWaterSoul
@CommanderWaterSoul 3 года назад
10:43 That was hilarious, instantly subscribed. MELON!
@BoBnfishy
@BoBnfishy 3 года назад
"Edit out the quiet part" @hopcat please save him
@kestrel7493
@kestrel7493 3 года назад
"I'm not the most hype underdog for nothing!" Let's fix this quote "I'm not the most hype underdog!"
@andrewshort4856
@andrewshort4856 3 года назад
Day 2 of Little Z forgetting that Sephiroth has a faster recovery that snaps to ledge
@Daily_Gaming
@Daily_Gaming 3 года назад
I will never be your best character killed me 😂
@comicsans3469
@comicsans3469 3 года назад
"My sword is shorter, but broader" - Hopcat, 2020
@CalebExists
@CalebExists 3 года назад
Sephiroth in his normal costume: Calm Sephiroth when he's shirtless: *PANIC*
@dragoss0795
@dragoss0795 3 года назад
This series feels like the “The best” series but with more balanced skill.
@343Films
@343Films 3 года назад
Hopcat: do you want the actual answer, or do you just want to complain? Little Z: I just wanna complain. *lmao*
@meroku0010
@meroku0010 3 года назад
That clash at the end was pretty hype imo
@McClappin1
@McClappin1 3 года назад
Sephiroth makes me wanna not celebrate Christmas but celebrate that I’m still alive
@Talguy21
@Talguy21 3 года назад
If this comment isn't a 2020 mood idk what is tbh
@technochad5243
@technochad5243 3 года назад
Imagine Sephiroth getting banned in tournaments.
@sonicbladex12
@sonicbladex12 3 года назад
Feels a little underwhelming. Feels too much like a glass cannon.
@juliocuadros6079
@juliocuadros6079 3 года назад
everytime they said parry my mind went: "ooooh perryyy, the platypus"
@Regirock_official
@Regirock_official 3 года назад
"I never want a up tilt that only his directly above me" Sephiroth up tilt, which has a scoop hitbox
@Will-ff6pt
@Will-ff6pt 3 года назад
You know, being sick is one of his best characters too Feel better m8!
@OrangeToadGamer
@OrangeToadGamer 3 года назад
*If Cloud got banned from Doubles in Smash 4 will Sephiroth be banned from Doubles in Ultimate?*
@link22ify
@link22ify 3 года назад
Ngl the Megalovania really had me thinking you rolled Mii Gunner into Sans somehow and I was really confused when I saw Sonic until the speedrun timer came up ROFL
@thomashiles2027
@thomashiles2027 3 года назад
Voice gets higher when your excited, I think we all know we’re this is going.
@joshuasandoval7796
@joshuasandoval7796 3 года назад
Every time I lose I do 30-50 pushups (your choice) - One of your BEST characters.
@noemalotiam5416
@noemalotiam5416 3 года назад
Where’s Mastering EVERY smash character 2? Since everyone is one your best characters you can do this EZ
@fauzanfauzan7001
@fauzanfauzan7001 3 года назад
12:03 "I will never be a memory"
@dandrewilliams6362
@dandrewilliams6362 3 года назад
13:40 Someone didn't watch Papi Sakurai's educational power hour...
@littensub
@littensub 3 года назад
Confirmed: Little Z has another best character
@fr0stdr4ke95
@fr0stdr4ke95 3 года назад
Sephiroth disagrees.
@ninjaseth4357
@ninjaseth4357 3 года назад
Is Sephiroth already one of your best characters?
@lockon2554
@lockon2554 3 года назад
I always like these friendly battles with Z and Hop because they take the risks that friends take when playing against each other, to get those style points. Tournament/competition play can be so boring because you can't really afford the risk
@C_Relly
@C_Relly 3 года назад
I've been off this for a minute. I remember when he had 300kkkkkkk. Jesus Z, keep going
@weegee7682
@weegee7682 3 года назад
Intro was just: "OOOOOH" "AHHHAHahaH" "HOOOOOOO"
@germanazurin1501
@germanazurin1501 3 года назад
Sephiroth!
@SeekMVS
@SeekMVS 3 года назад
Sephiroth
@HexBlue
@HexBlue 3 года назад
Sephiroth
@bumblebee8903
@bumblebee8903 3 года назад
Sephiroth
@BoingyBoy
@BoingyBoy 3 года назад
Sephiroth
@Diego-xl1up
@Diego-xl1up 3 года назад
Sephiroth
@MrPooPooJohn
@MrPooPooJohn 3 года назад
4:10 that laugh!!!! That actually made me cry laughing. kekl🤣
@Mc_Adore-r
@Mc_Adore-r 3 года назад
YEAH BABY, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE WAITING FOR WOOOOO
@saintsummerz
@saintsummerz 3 года назад
Have y’all noticed he stopped doing the song parodies at the end?
@allovas
@allovas 3 года назад
Maybe too much copyright issues
@luis96siul
@luis96siul 3 года назад
4:06 "My sword is shorter but bruter, what do you guys prefer?" Uhm... both? 🥺 👉👈
@knightmare_346
@knightmare_346 3 года назад
16:20 "boop, boop, boop," me: *checks to see if overwatch is open*
@paboteh6496
@paboteh6496 3 года назад
Hopcat's sephiroth: *charging for gigaflare* Little Z: Mmm, gigaflare.
@97gamess
@97gamess 3 года назад
Sephiroth2!!
@leonardo-han9970
@leonardo-han9970 3 года назад
I don't know why, but every i watch Little Z vs Hopcat , i always want look Hop win 😆😆😆
@boomeronet7888
@boomeronet7888 3 года назад
Coming up to the release online was full of clouds and now it's full of sephiroth
@dundde3982
@dundde3982 3 года назад
*when you learn down air can go through the floor completly near ledge*
@brainiac0709
@brainiac0709 3 года назад
SEPHIROTH
@RDOni-io4dt
@RDOni-io4dt 3 года назад
You made a mistake in the title, it should be: EVERYONE VS. SHIRTLESS SEPHIROTH
@royalrice5191
@royalrice5191 3 года назад
You can still hear Zach dying both from sickness and on the inside when he has to record this video.
@tanukiterror57
@tanukiterror57 3 года назад
3:18 I imagine the Belmonts are sitting there crying with their up-tilts that are literally the same as Sephiroth's
@Dark-dv8qq
@Dark-dv8qq 3 года назад
Alternative Title: Sephiroth vs little zs best character
@tatara822
@tatara822 3 года назад
"Sephiroth is the good Byleth... or the bad Byleth" Shulk be like "Who thinks about me?😪"
@Endershock1678
@Endershock1678 3 года назад
I mean, Sephiroth is obviously bad Shulk, but then again, so is every other swordie in the game.
@evanbuss7638
@evanbuss7638 3 года назад
@@Endershock1678 Uhh Lucina
@Endershock1678
@Endershock1678 3 года назад
@@evanbuss7638 Shulk is considered generally better than Lucina. Of all the pros and top players that have made tier lists, including Dabuz, Marss, M2K, Tweek, ESAM, etc, the only person who says Lucina is better than Shulk is MKLeo, and MKLeo tends to overrate the characters he uses or are good with, something M2K noted while watching, and something you can tell based on his placement of his characters (for example, Ike, Byleth, and Marth are all high tiers, and while I agree with Ike, he's definitely not as high in high tier as Leo places him). In fact, Lucina's throne as best FE character is even being challenged with pros starting to place Roy higher than her.
@evanbuss7638
@evanbuss7638 3 года назад
@@Endershock1678 Dang your right. I haven't payed attention to tier lists in a while but back like 6 months ago Lucina was pretty comfortably above Shulk. Did he get buffs recently or did the meta just change?
@Endershock1678
@Endershock1678 3 года назад
@@evanbuss7638 He actually got nerfed... (not be enough to matter) The reason he rose and Lucina dropped is the fundamental nature of simple and complex characters. As people got better at the game, people simply started to get better at using Shulk's very complex tools, like Monado combos and instant swaps to avoid edge guarding and combos. Lucina on the other hand is inherently simple and easy to use, so she was optimized very early and her (admittably few) weaknesses were soon discovered. It's the same reason Ike fell from grace, he was optimized early and his inherently strong but simple plan just wasn't enough. It's also why Link rose up as people started optimizing him bomb usage. Of course there is a limit, a character can only be so complex until they are impossible to play well, but Shulk excels because he is simple to pick up but has a massive skill ceiling. Parrying also is important. Both are very safe when parried due to their high range, but while Lucina is faster, she also has more end lag and less range than Shulk, so Lucina is unpunishable for a decent chunk of the cast, while Shulk is straight up unpunishable (his massive nair has 6 frames of landing lag, Lucina has 7, and their forward air has equal amounts of landing lag, think about that). So a good Shulk is basically impossible to hit. I remember playing a Shulk, with Lucina, my characters can do parry F-Tilt, but against Shulk, parries basically don't even matter. That's not even factoring that his attacks all come out at fairly different speeds making it harder to get the parry timing down.
@megalegend8000
@megalegend8000 3 года назад
Bro little z is like the very first channel I've subscribed to last year.
@nonopenope
@nonopenope 3 года назад
17:16 hypest moment of the entire video
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