EVERYTHING WRONG With Pikmin 2 

at roughly 10 minutes you mentioned not being able to leave caves whenever you want. But you can. True you will lose the treasure you collected at that point, but you are allowed to leave whenever.

One thing I would like to mention. Whether you like or dislike the caves in Pikmin 2, they were important in the expansion of the Pikmin world. We would've never seen creatures like Anode Beetles, the Waterwraith, Empress Bulblax, Giant Breadbugs, Careening Darigibugs, Gatling Groinks, Bulbmin, and so many more unique enemies that lived underground. Sure, some like the Gatling Groink did appear above ground in the Wistful Wild, but they are mainly subterranean species. In Pikmin 3, we saw only a small amount of Pikmin 2 enemies reappear, and we didn't get a huge amount of new enemies. The caves allowed us to see species that never would've existed without them, which only somewhat makes up for the lackluster cave designs.

"There are 4 surface areas in pikmin 2 just like pikmin 1" Pikmin 1: The impact site The forest of hope The forest naval The distant spring The final trail Um... I count 5

Honestly I loved that Pikmin 2 broke the formula of “you have a certain amount of days.” My Pikmin 2 file is on like Day 500. While 1 and 3 keep resetting to before the final boss, I love that 2 keeps going into a sandbox type mode

I think it's hilarious that you can grind in emergence cave to pay back the debt on day 2.

I love the unfriendly tone of the enemies on this game. They supposed to be like wild asshole animals to show how cruel Pikmin nature is and be more satisfying when you kill them, and it also gives difficulty to the caves, which by the way I prefer over the outside map because you have all the time to collect and explore

I expected this video to be 0 seconds long

Hearing the waterwraith music in an area where falling off of the edge is a viable way to kill certain enemies, I am happy to imagine the Waterwraith glitching, falling off the edge and never respawning.

you miss the *E L E C T R E C I T Y*

The randomly generated cave system could totally work in a Pikmin mobile game. Similar to Mario Kart Tour, there's a large set of caves you can go in and they change every couple weeks, and you need to get all of the treasure out of them. And if your Pikmin die, you can go to the surface and make more Pikmin using enemies, but you have to wait for them to be turned into Pikmin sprouts in generic mobile game fashion.

Submerged Castle has its own music; same for all of the first four sublevels. The music that plays on Hole of Heroes SL 6 is also unique.

I think the point of caves is an inverse of Pikmin's day cycle. Where the "day style" is mainly about time management, the "cave style" is about managing numbers of Pikmin (hence the OP enemies). There is too many of them, though. They should be shorter or less common (and not random). It's good on paper, but from what we've seen, not to great in practice.

When you said the treasures were too similar remember Pikmin 3

I don’t know. I agree with a lot of these criticisms, but some of these could be seen as strengths. Personally, I liked the procedurally generated caves. It gives more replay value to me. Each replay is slightly different not only due to different choices I make, but also due to changes within the games layout.

Wow that thumbnail though

The more I play the game, the more I love it. But it can still be evil at times.

Funny how the game that feels most like a corporate money grab is the one where the plot is to make money to pay off a debt and then get rich.

How to deal with a Gatling groink. Step 1: Have captain #2 distract it. Step 2: Bombard it with purple pikmin while it's distracted ( unless it's on an elevated structure, then use yellow pikmin). Step 3: Profit

"They're aren't many fire-based puzzles." From my experience with the game, the red Pikmin straight up serve no purpose the other types can't handle after the first couple of days other than to be candypop bud fodder. Fire is the easiest element to deal with in this game, their attack power is outclassed by purples, and the other types are more important to have to do their roles in the game. It's does become funny when I can beat the game with zero reds remaining by the end, but that's just me.

I agree with all these, but I'd say Purples completely outclass reds, in fact, fire is mostly harmless in all the game, the most harmful thing that has fire is probably the Fiery Bulblax, but if my memory serves right, there is only 1 in the whole game that isn't near a body of water and even then it's optional, not to mention Purples can even damage it faster than reds, reds are then relegated to being purple and white fodder. Also, elements are way too unbalanced, fire being the least prominent and harmless. I hope you also do this for 1 and 3, all of the games have some flaws but... I still love them all, it's my favorite franchise ever, can't wait for Pikmin 4.

You mentioned that some of the tracks in pikmin 2 sound like a bunch of random instruments. I do agree a bit, some of the cave themes aren't amazing. The reason the tracks sound this way is because the songs are made with a bunch of tiny little sounds that are commanded during gameplay to play at a specific time to create the music. This can result with some songs not sounding as natural. The reason it is like this is so the game can change the "theme" of the music when you approach an enemy.

Hey Pikmin is the black sheep. no question

From my point of view Pikmin has to be the best Pikmin game of all, the one who started it all, followed by Pikmin 3. My first Pikmin was Pikmin 3, and I have to say I had a blast with it, one day I played it for a full on 4 hours or so, crazy I know, but that's how engaged I was to it. Then I played Pikmin, and I enjoyed it even more than Pikmin 3. What makes Pikmin so fun to me is the constant reminder that you have a dead line for your adventure, so it lets you plan everything a bit more like: what pieces am I going to find today, how many should I find each day, etc... and this is what made it even more fun. Pikmin had quite a variety to its areas, and along with this the three main Pikmin are everything you need to fully enjoy Pikmin. Pikmin 3 was as enjoyable as Pikmin 3, considering how engaged I was to it as mentioned before, but even so it wasn't as fun as Pikmin. The inclusion of fruits to expand the number of days you can adventure the planet was a great idea, and although I consider this makes you even more relaxed, I enjoyed this even more when Louie stole every single juice, that made me plan everything just like in Pikmin. Right now I haven't fully played Pikmin 2, I'm half way through the game where you lose Louie, but that's because I didn't quite enjoy Pikmin 2 as much as the rest. Every single point in this video are my feels about Pikmin 2, caves are boring for the most part, slow, less surface gameplay... I even tried to be on surface as long as I could avoiding any caves, and all of this was made worse with the no limit mechanic, and my question is: if Olimar only could be for 30 days on the planet but then immediately after returning home went back with Louie, how is there no limit? Was that an instant upgrade? I don't fucking know, I don't understand that. If you're reading this and you want to enjoy what defines Pikmin, play the first one, and I'd say the GameCube version, I enjoyed it way more than the Wii version, and it doesn't really make things harder, trust me. P.S.: One thing I forgot about Pikmin 3 is that one thing it did way better was the inclusion of 3 captains, this helps in the Louie occasion, but during the rest of the game it's good for just watching the Pikmin's onions, Pikmins taking ultra spicy spray, etc...

Whoa whoa whoa! Pikmin 2 is the black sheep of the series? I thought everyone loves that game (myself included).

Few problems I have with Pikmin 2 that weren't mentioned at least in this first part. 1: The Doomsday Apparatus A.K.A, the dumbell in the Wistful Wild. The idea of a treasure that needs 100 purples to carry is pretty cool and all but because purples are the primary combat Pikmin, they are pretty likely to die. Which means that if you let too many purples die, you're going to have to run through The Subterranean Complex a couple of times to get 100 purples, which is just time consuming and annoying. Even if you don't lose a single purple during the whole game and take every opportunity to make more, they still make you run through the complex once to get 15 more to get the 100 needed. Also, the treasure takes forever to get back to the ship. At least they placed it right next to the landing site. 2: The Reds are made useless. In Pikmin 1, they were great! With no dumb purples around, Reds were the primary fighting type. Their 1.5 damage output really came handy considering how pretty much every slightly bigger enemy in 1 had tons of health. Also their fire resistance was really useful, because of how much more difficult and precise saving Pikmin from burning was back in 1. Now, look what Pikmin 2 did. With the purples around, Red Pikmin, while faster, are unfairly outclassed by the purples. Purples can easily stun bigger enemies, one shot smaller ones, and are all around more powerful. Even the reds fire resistance is pretty useless most of the time. Because now saving Pikmin from fire is much more easier, the only reason to even bring Reds to caves are the existence of Fiery Bulblaxes, which can be taken out with the captains with the Scord Guard, and even more easily with the help of the Rocket Fist, as long as you are careful. And with the time limit disappearing in the caves, you don't even have to worry about wasting time. At least Pikmin 3 fixed this with the much more balanced Rocks.

Steve the red Pikmkn is SUPA STAH WARRIAH

“Story Doesn’t Make Logical Sense” Okay, I get what you’re going for here- BUT, the way you were describing the story as if Lightyears were a measure of time- which is false, Lightyears are a measure of distance.

This was fun. It felt like you went down a list of the reasons I love this game and tried to say them in a criticizing way.

“Pilmin 2 is my favorite pikmin game!” *completely and thoroughly destroys every aspect of the game*

9:37 That was actually introduced on the Wii version of the first game, so its absence is pretty dumb. You have to just have separate save files.

That damn fish cannon will always haunt my Pikmin

Pikmin 2 will always be the best because it is still the only pikmin game that can freeze and it gives you unlimited days to finish. With an environment as breathtaking as the pikmin universe this is how it should be. I want to be able to take my time and actually stop enjoy the scenery sometimes

Pikmin 1: Smells like Explore Pikmin 2: Smells like Combat Pikmin 3: Smells like Perfectionism.

In relation to the idea of a “corporation” Pikmin game, I don’t believe Pikmin 2 is or was advertising, for one, Olimar is never like “hey, I sure do love the refreshing taste of a Vlasic Pickle” additionally, the game wouldn’t be the same if you got rid of the actual company’s within the game. In my opinion, it helps the world’s environment greatly, you see the Duracell battery you have a real world connection to it, you see the 7 Up cap, you know what that is, it helps the player relate to the in game world, as well as the fact that the planet Pikmin is on is Earth, the fact that you see real world products, it reminds the viewer that humans, used to exist here.

I want them to bring back the caves in a future Pikmin game, but have them actually be designed by humans and in fewer numbers. Caves have so much potential for immersion and cool terrain but they never seem to delve into it much (delve... haha, get it?). The caves in Pikmin 3 were nice, but still kinda on the boring side. The glowing mushrooms and pathways that bloom when you turn on the lights are a good start, but they could do so much more with it.

Answer to the title: very little

The 3rd one you mentioned about how the caves are randomly generated makes it better so you don’t get sick of the same thing

Before the video:Something wrong with the best pikmin game ever? No. After:You make great points.

Regarding number 9, how canonical exactly, is the whole thing about Pikmin 2 taking place a loooooooong time after Pikmin 1? I mean sure, some areas have really similar layouts, only being viewed from different angles, but are they meant to be the same place in the lore as well? And if so, do they ever imply that the changed geography was due to a passage of time?

I've always loved and enjoyed your Pikmin content. Keep up the great and beautiful work!

You can repeat days in the Wii versions of Pikmin 1 and 2.

I think the reason the planet was the same when he left Louie behind is because he can travel faster than light years any when talked about the kopiets many light year journey Mabey Hocatate is closer to Earth than Kopii

I personally think pikmin 2 changing the format might be the reason why there was such a big gap between pikmin 2 and 3's release dates other than the console Switches.

love the idea of putting the credits in the middle of the video as a breather, really good concept ^^

🅱️ikmin

Ah, that blue heavy thing is the worst. Is too much needing 100 Purples alerady. Why does it take literaly a whole day to transport?! Or maybe I'm remembering the time wrong, but still.

In Pikmin 3: There's 2 different types of kiwis, but there's no pineapple! *WHY*

Sorry Dazz, but I gotta disagree with most of your list here... Pikmin 2 does ALOT of things right, and is easily the best game in the series thus far. It's exactly what a sequel should be: Designed to improve on and expand the world and mechanics of its' predecessor. Pikmin 2 did exactly that, and then some. I literally never had problems with disbanding Pikmin in PIkmin 2, nor did I ever feel the game get repetitive. Caves were meant to be a challenge that tested your patience and skill, becoming increasingly more and more difficult and daunting, pushing your Pikmin skills to their absolute limits. That alone is excellent game design in my opinion. The slow, more methodical pace you needed to best the numerous caves, was what made Pikmin 2 so different, but also what made it so good. The tight corridors, enemy and trap placements, and claustrophobic nature of the caves really helped make you feel isolated and in a heap of danger no matter which way you turned. The challenge came from needing to be good enough to solve the problems you faced in each cave, dealing with the numerous enemies in a patient and careful manner. That's why you have so much freedom in Pikmin 2. They removed the feeling of impending doom should you not succeed, and replaced it with a "Hey, I'm gonna go get this thing done, and nothing's gonna stand in my way !" mentality. I feel like so far, your list is 90% grasping at straws or more personal gripes rather than actual flaws with the game. I will concede about the music, as that's easily the weakest part of the game, especially compared to Pikmin 1's masterfully crafted soundtrack. I won't get into a whole debate about Pikmin 3, but it's honestly a HUGE step backwards for the franchise, and has nowhere near the level of quality or charm of the first two games. Pikmin 2 > Pikmin 1 > Hey! Pikmin > Pikmin 3. Yes, the handheld version of Pikmin is better than Pikmin 3 in my opinion.

Bulblax Kingdom and Jellyfloat Pool are some of my favorite tracks in the game. Though I definitely see the point there, I remember a few songs for how much I thought they were dull. Like the toy floor, theme, i didnt really like that one personally. The only song with a perfectly good reason for being calm and ambient specifically is the one that plays on rest floors. The rest should have a bit of a kick to it. That being said, there is something I loved about 2's music. The fact that it changes depending on if you're Olimar or his partner. The swing of the Louie/President track is a neat touch.

I think you’re wrong on a lot of points here, but one in particular is the product placement. I think it adds a lot of charm and makes it really feel like you’re a tiny astronaut guiding the pikmin through giant real life gardens

12:17 *angry in wistful wild and awakening wood*

Came here to listen to a good rant. The base game isn't horrible, repaying the debt is more or less painless. But the difficulty spike has me rage quitting. Also I hate the idea of the caves. Why is there bath tile? Why are some of them outside with toy blocks? It makes no sense where the rest of the game's environment at least feels real.

Joke's on you the cave music and overworld music are both midis

'There are too many bottle cap treasures' As a bottle cap collector and enthusiast , I disagree

10:00 uh there's a option in the menu to go back to the surface, you lose all the treasures you found but it does allow you to exit the cave.

I really enjoyed the sponsorships in pikmin 2. The pikmin franchise are the only games I think would benefit from sponsors. The reason why I think so is that all of the real world objects like a Duracell batteries and 7up bottlecaps really pushes the idea that that the pikmin planet is OUR planet.

My favorite Is Pikmin 1 because nostalgia

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't you dare betray me dazz!

White and Purple Pikmin needed Onions. If I lost a single one I would restart the day or go back to the last save in a Cave. To compensate I decided to exploit the game and go to a certain cave to get over 200 white Pikmin just to feel safer about losing one. (I still reset the day anyway until I max out on them)

To answer the story not making sense its possible that the Dolphin is a slower ship and those took longer to get home for Olimar (Though this isn't fully likely) Or it could be the passage of time wasn't actually as major a jump. The beginning says the Red Pikmin remember Olimar (though we don't know the lifespan of a Pikmin) and if lots of the references still do exist its possible that it's only been a few months or a year since the last time which also would be explained how Louie knew all the recipes as well. Then again I could be completely wrong on both

How in the name of the S.S Dolphin can we not fight at night yet?! Nocternal creatures, a new Pikmin type for night only? Hmmmmm??? Bring Caverns back. Bring Treasures back. Bring White and Purple Pikmin back, keep existing Pikmin = Pikmin 4 = PROFIT!!!!

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I absolutely LOVED the Wistful Wild caves. The bulborb room you used as an example was a blast to me. The difficulty made it fun... Not the robot spider surrounded by water though. That sucked.

These pikmin videos are amazing

what a hell is the thumbnail

A very fair review! Pikmin 2 is easily one of my favorite games of all time, though I agree that it has issues. What they should have done as far as the debt, they should have added a time limit for how long you had to get the cash together for the first half of the game. And then give you a limitless amount of time to find Louie. However I think Pikmin 3 was...meh. It plays well and looks very good but it seemed really...short? Like I beat it really quick. I enjoyed the game for what it was worth but it was over far too soon.

Why do the ads matter...... legit every post apocalyptic game has a focus on bottle caps. AND with the point of similar stuff if you read the piklopedia sometimes it is even mentioned and it is neat reading the analysis of how are these found in two different environments that is neat and like 6 year old kido me read the piklo.the music I sorta agree not great from a like let's listen to this after I play but it did give you this feeling of like uh oh I am the weird thing here this is weird I am skurd. And is the difficulty spike that high.......... like yeah it gets a lot harder but it all depends on how you complete the game and I mean yes the cave goes whoa this boi hard but like usually the hard caves are hard to get to giving you warning. Purple ok tru af even 6 me was like let's not use em. O almost forgot the whole saving every sub floor is to add a sense of meaning and severity to your play through you can't just revive your pikmin you killed them. And the wistful wilds is basically a POST game area.......like it is meant to be hard like you have to collect nearly all of the treasure everywhere else not counting corpses it is 96%. Anywho totally disagree with you on these complaints mostly including the random level design (replay ability) the disbanding like I mean really not hard nevertheless; video is well made nice one.

I loved pikmin 2 because there was no pressure. Fuck that 30 day limit.

I came for the thumbnail

I feel like I was stuck in unfair situations way too much

You're over blowing the difficulty of the game. With bitter sprays and purple pikmin, the sublevel with all those bulborbs is a breeze. I think the game is too easy, even without the sprays and purples.

Dazz i have a story idea for pikmin 4 When Alph,Bittany and Charlie sends Olimar and Louie to hocotate The president recieved them for saving them, but fired louie for putting them in brink of starving, then The President got a idea, the idea would be to collaborate with kopaiites to restore PNF-404 surface, the kopaiis accept and starts the restauration by sending some explorers to investigate the atmosphere (including Alph,Brittany,Charlie and Olimar) but when going to space Louie infiltrated the ship, when the travel ended they went off ship but when they went exploring Louie would steal the ship, possibly as vengeance. Then they notice the steal and go to the land spot but the ship wasnt there Now they would need to find fruit to survive while the other explorers go and rescue them Here are introduced 2 new pikmins Orange Pikmin: They have shells so they may be able to survive explosions, the shell will be stronger if pikmin has bud or flower, when charge they will roll to the enemy at fast speed Black Pikmin: Mostly like White pikmin but they can detect hidden doors or entrances, This pikmin is inmune to a new hazard, Ice stalactites, wich is stalacties that falls to your pikmins, you can notice them by the shadow, they are great at night (will talk later) You will need to survive 40 days until rescue, here is introduced the "Stay at night" Function wich is standing at night, normal pikmins are clumsy at night, but black pikmins can see perfectly in night, sadly only one captain can be out at night There is 3 endings The first Ending is the Failed Rescue ending The rescue comes but finds Alph Brittany Charlie and Olimar Unconscious but dont send signs of life (similar to bad ending in pikmin 1) occurs To get this ending it requires no food recovered The second is the Rescued ending Here you managed to survive and get rescued, now you are with the other explorers and continue the research but fails. But hey! You are atleast alive! To get this ending you needed to have atleast the signal sender to get this and survive the 4p days The third is the Recovered ending You managed to get rescued, when arrivng the camp one of the explorers might founded a way to recover the atmosphere and it goes well, now PNF-404 is habitable To get this ending you need to have the signal sender and something to help the recovery (wich is obtained by the final boss) The bosses could be this 1st Boss: Beady Long legs 2nd Boss: Burrowing Snagret 3rd Boss: Flying Snagret (Winged Pikmin needed) 4th Boss: Ranging Bloyster 5th Boss: Spike-Tailed Mawdad (Big Scorpion in real life (gives the signal sender) 6th Boss: Broken Man-At-Legs (Orange Pikmin required) 7th Boss: Raging Long Legs 8th Boss: Ignited Jellyfloat 9th Boss: Quagled Mireclops Final Boss: Louie's Bug Army (yes, louie is the bad guy here)

This my first pikmin game but it not really my favorite so thanks for doing the follzs

There’s nothing wrong with Pikmin 2

Even regarding its flaws and how many things could be improved and refined, this is still the best the game the series has to offer by a wild margin.

The retry day feature was added on the New Play Control Wiimakes.

Delete this, Pikmin 2 is perfect no matter what

Hopefully you have a bright yt future

Exactly one thing is wrong with it, and Caption Olimar agrees with me (in one of the treasure notes) that the ship talks _WAY_ to much.

I strongly disagree about the music being unmemorable. Its not very video gamey or hum-able. But I love the surrealist atmosphere it ads to the caves, it feels like being lost in a dream where things don't necessarily make sense. They are creepy and strangely beautiful. A few prime examples of what I mean by creepy and beautiful. Emergence cave Graphite gulch Greenyards (this ones more bazaar then beautiful) Jelly float pool Mystic March And that's just the cave music. The main hub levels and Piklopedia are wonderful too.

This is a slight nitpick, but you called the titan and elemental dweevils long legs. The Arachnorbs, which is what the raging, beady, and man at legs are, are not the same species as the dweevils, which is actually there species' name. I see what you were trying to say though. Too many 4 legged spider creature things.

I know this is an old video but a light year is a measure of distance not time so olimar could travel at like say 100 light years a minute and he might be able to get home and back really quick

the treasure complaint is completely pointless man. they dont all need to be unique. it doesn’t detract from the game’s quality at all

It keeps flashing red in the video

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Am I the only one that loved the caves?

the one note id have about the list is the fact you said purples are over powered and enemies are unfair.... does that not sound a bit funny? sure some enemies you can only tackle with certain pikmin ect ect but due to as you said difficulty spikes n shit like that purples come in very handy and still keep the challenge, they're also not nearly as easy to get hold of, losing purples or whites feels like alot more of a loss than losing your primary Pikmin.

The caves were the best part they expand the world if you stick to the typical section world is very limited that’s what pikmin 3 problem

It's the first time i see a guy on youtube saying somethings wrong about old game of his childhood

Black sheep? I thought it was unanimously agreed that it was the best one.

Disbanding wasn’t a pain for my I almost always did it in a biger area

ah, the good old days

You said dance monkey dance did you play curious George on the GameCube

i like it cyuse you get infinit amount of days

Well hay (pikmin) if you ever get to see color again you will know what color is what because of the pikmin names

I like it for the collectibles.

am i the only one who noticed that there is a red screen at 9:32 edit: if you set it to playback speed 0.25x, the music right there is that of a horror game or something like that

i love caves

There are 5 areas in Pikmin 1

What’s wrong with it: Hole of Heroes Sublevel 4

Why