Pikmin 2 Review - Pikmin for People That Don't Like Pikmin 

UPDATE: Someone's made a mod for Pikmin 2 that does almost exactly what I asked for in this video. A caveless Pikmin 2. With a bunch of other changes and additions. So cool. Check it out here. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6FEry0Gv_dA.html

its sad that he forget about the piklapedia, its a really fun part of the series and treasures names are really cool.

Personally, I don't see caves as a bad thing. Back when I first played Pikmin 2 awhile ago, my first impression was "Oh cool, more areas to explore and no time limit in those caves-- nice!". I don't see why people genuinely despise the caves in Pikmin 2 when you have games like Rogue-likes/lites where it's all about having the "perfect run" (aka restarting until you have the setup in your favor). Plus I feel like the atmosphere in the caves are serene somewhat amidst the chaos that can ensue.

Tbh... I really love Pikmin 2 despite its flaws. I think it is more difficult on purpose due to it being a sequel and it isn't easy on new players at all tbh. Though tbh I do dislike the tutorials they are annoying.

I think the devs fully anticipated that players would mash the Reset button if they have some catastrophic failure in a cave. Why else would the game automatically save between sublevels? It gives the player less options for how far they can rewind; either reset the one floor or lose all their progress in the cave. Why else would the caves be procedurally generated? It forces the player to come up with a different strategy for every reset instead of doing the same linear steps over and over until it works. Eventually they start asking questions like “I’ve come this far, I’ve been stuck on this sublevel for an hour, am I really gonna spend another 10 minutes here to save 20 Pikmin, or will the next reset just put me right in front of a Gatling Groink that kills 50 more?” Ultimately, the only thing at risk is your own time, but that’s still a very precious risk.

I've mentioned this in the previous video but Pikmin 2 was one of those games I've had a huge turnaround for. I think when I replayed it, I came into after playing 2D Zelda, so I tend to view this game as a sort of 2.5D Zelda. I also kinda like how it's not like the other Pikmin games. To me it's pretty cool how they were able to make a gameplay system that was able to fit in both a time management game and a dungeon-crawling action-adventure game. It arguably works slightly better as an action- adventure since I've used the swarm ability way more in this one. People are so hung up with the notion of "PiKmIn iS sUppOsEd tO Be aN rTs" when the truth is it was barely ever an rts to begin with and the developers never intended the game to be an rts. It was just a label journalists gave it in order to help explain the concept better. It's definitely a valid opinion to prefer one over the other, but I don't think Pikmin 2 is necessarily bad because it's not like Pikmin 1.

As someone who has been playing Pikmin since 2001….. Pikmin 2 is designed to be reset. That’s the reason the game saves with each level. Also, the caves are randomized to increase replay value. I also saw you run through electrical barriers with blue Pikmin in the submerged castle, many caves after the player gets used to them. This isn’t just a skill issue, this is a patience issue. Pikmin 1 tests your skill, and 2 also tests your patience. Can’t wait to hear about Pikmin 3 from you. It takes the best from 1 and 2 and makes for an incredible game.

Honestly what makes the caves interesting is how rom hack like it is. And not in the kaizo mario kind I mean how it feels like it's using and abusing mechanics to the absoulte fullest, similar to the new world in they added in the GBA remake of DKC3. Like for instance how in later caves how blowhog enemies are placed near cliffs so the way they shake of pikmin is used to throw pikmin into the void which is incediously smart. Also some of the floors where the designers just wanted to have a laugh like the 1 of every bulborb floor. Is that good design? Probebly not, but it is refreshingly unique. Also the piklopedia is super cool and deserves a mention.

Everyone I see bag on Pikmin 2 show the most embarrassing clips. "What do you mean I can't just ignore the cannon beetles". Are some of those trolls? How do you not see the electric hazard, why would you bring 100 strong in the empresses arena and chuck them so carelessly. The maps may be the "same" place, but they are entirely new maps with similar aesthetics. Like I will never understand that criticism, knowing the map from the first game does nothing to tell you how to play through Pikmin 2. Their layouts and flows are changed, the goals and solutions are different and the enemies are different. The throw-sort is like that because you use too many Pikmin. The game has two captains and a feature to split Pikmin by color. You should very rarely have a full squad with you, the game punishes that behavior over and over again. You sort and bring what you need for the task at hand, or risk losing what you didn't need to bring. Learn boss patterns, use small squads and recall them as danger arises. Walls in caves are there to gate optional nectar and flowers. Enemies take out your flowers and certain colors, so throughout it you need more. Walls are usually guarded by enemies (I do admit the RNG does fuck it up sometimes, but the caves aren't all RNG), so that means another fight to consider. Do you risk losing more pikmin to empower your squad, or sometimes forcing you into another fight to get enough X type back to a certain number. And time-sinks are kind of important for games with high reset ability. Do you want to sink more time into the game by resetting, knowing I'll need to spend X amount of time getting the walls down again. The day timer is there because night is still a danger and the days change the environments. Certain things only spawn on certain days in certain locations. Enemies respawn and the map reacts to you taking time elsewhere. The tougher caves means fighting your way to a cave, making sure you keep your numbers strong on the way. If you do well that means you can enter the cave then and there, but maybe you then need to either swap up your party formation or replenish your numbers depending how that went. You may need to return to another cave to get more purples or whites, or try to grind up a few more sprays before heading in. I wish there was more challenge at times, but this is Nintendo, they make games for all ages at the end of the day, and the endgame is still very challenging. Also there is still a Day Timer, your actual life and willingness to invest more time in the game. The game doesn't need a timer when most people have a natural one of How Long Do I Want to Play? How much do I want to grind? How perfect do I want this run to be, how long am I willing to reset/how many pikmin is fine to lose. It gives people the freedom to speedrun if that's their jam, with enough narrative reason to hurry. Olimar has a family to return to, a boss in financial trouble, and a friend in need of rescue.

I never understood the complaint about pikmin 2 not having a day limit. Pikmin 1 and 3's limits are so generous I've never felt any tension from their inclusion. To me it's always just been like a scoreboard to see how fast you can beat it, which works for every game. To me the tension and excitement come from tough enemies and situations, which is why I rank the games 2 > 1 > 3, basically how difficult each one is. Also 2 has the best world and character building

I really like this game, including the increased difficulty of it, but it does get downright unfair. It gets unfair enough that its really not cheating in the slightest to restart a floor. You mentioned one of your big dislikes of the caves being the removal of having any kind of timer... I'm curious about your opinion of the one cave in the game that still had a timer. It's many players' most hated cavern. I am, of course, referring to the cave with the Water Wraith. You can only bring in blue pikmin, but you need purples to defeat the boss, a humanoid-like blob of water riding two rollers that can crush all of your pikmin in about a second. On each floor, if you take long enough, the boss appears, is invincible since you can't get purples until the final floor, and tries to crush all your pikmin. You can't _see_ the timer, but there is one. I actually based a D&D dungeon for a game inspired in part by the Water Wraith.

I actually fully beat Pikmin 2 for the first time recently in preparation of 4 and I feel like I'm kind of in the middle. I like the caves up until around the halfway point because I just get tired of them by then. There's just not that much variety to them, so them making up like 80% of the game gets so tiring. If they cut the amount of caves in half: I'd like this game so much more. I still like it, but it's easily my least favorite Pikmin game by a pretty wide margin. There's a reason I took so long to finally beat it, when I've already beaten 1 & 3 muliple times now.

In my opinion, every Pikmin game is equally as good. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but all of them are very good games.

Genuine question, how do you do these videos so quickly? I know these aren’t a 4 hour analysis or anything, but I don’t know how you put out videos (including the sonic was always good series) pretty quickly and consistently.

The caves still have real-time strategy elements. RTS refers to the fact that the events are not turn-based, not that the strategy must revolve around time management. It is still an RTS game if the strategy revolves around attacking optimally as to not lose Pikmin and careful planning (strategising), which is exactly what the caves are. It doesn't matter to me if people like or dislike Pikmin 2 (I haven't personally played it yet), but it seems ridiculous to criticise the caves for a lack of RTS elements when all it does is shift the type of strategy required. In fact, it could be argued that Pikmin 2 is more of an RTS game than Pikmin 1 as it has more elements taken from the genre. This fact doesn't invalidate you not enjoying this type of RTS as much as what is employed in Pikmin 1, but I think it shows its an extension of the concept of Pikmin 1, not its antithesis as you described it. Edit: you later say that caves are padding and that there is the same amount of Pikmin gameplay as Pikmin 1. The caves are just as much Pikmin gameplay as any other element, you just don't like it. If what you said were true, every single new feature and development in every game series made after the first entry isn't true to the series.

I’m surprised you didn’t talk about the upgrade you can get on your captain in this game which can definitely help save time and make the experience better

I really hate to ask this, but did you finish the game? Like, *actually* finish it? Because I saw zero footage of Wistful Wild, or the President with you, as well as the gold ship, so I have to question if you did. You also never mentioned the Piklopedia/treasures which have some of the best writing in the entire series. So again, did you finish the game? Did you even pay off the debt?

What bothers me about the tutorials is that in SOME versions you can instantly skip them by pressing start or plus or whatever, but in others you can't. It's either the gamecube or the Wii version, but frustratingly not the Switch version.

13:12 I've played Pikmin 2 at least 10 times and I do not get annoyed by the dialogue.

What if they some monster in the caves that would follow you to the surface and do horrible things like wiping out your pikmins or taking your ships and loots if you take too long or abuse the caves?

Interesting point near the end of the video about game length, and the common complaint that some games are to short. As a fan of character action games and platformers, never been really that found of saying "X game is to short" in most cases, because some genres like Char action and platformers really do tend to be about replayability and mastering the games mechanics/level design. Like games like DMC 3 or Megaman Zero 3 are not long, but are really fun just to replay and get insanely good at them. Not every game needs to have Xenoblade/Persona length lmao.

On your Pikmin 1 video I wrote a big comment about the importance of replayability and how Pikmin 1 nails that part in my opinion. On this one I can just say...the title basically sums up all of my thoughts perfectly. So, just gonna say: 10/10 content.👍

A video made for non-Pikmin fans about a game for non-Pikman fans. Intriguing

Pikmin 2 is the least dandori of all the pikmin games.

Yeah this is one of those games that ends up divisive specifically in hindsight. I loved this game when it came out, and still consider it to be my favorite in the series. In context of its release, it was Pikmin 1... part 2. It was designed to feel like a genuine sequel, something I don't feel like Pikmin 3 provided. Maybe 3 was prettier and more mechanically stable/user friendly, but it felt like it threw away so much about the other 2 that I held dear. At least Pikmin 4 seems to have all of its locations surrounding a building so I at least have an Idea of where I even am. I'm very optimistic for Pikmin 4 and hope that it can genuinely become my new favorite Pikmin game, but as it stands my ranking is currently 2, 1, then 3

In the future I would recommend saying either in the description or nearer to the start of the video that you didn't finish the game. Also, I'm curious, by beating do you mean getting the ending for 10k pokos or rescuing Louie?

Hey, Pariah! Sorry if this sounds a little impatient, but will we be expecting the Pikmin 3 video tomorrow? Because I literally cannot wait. Keep up the great work, man!

Most maps are the same but I don't remember a snow area or fall area in pikmin 1 like in 2. However, I can see similarities between wistful wilds and final trial. There are 5 maps in 1 and 4 in 2.

The pikmin gameplay never interested me. I even played the demo of 3 back on the wii u but the cave system actually sounds interesting to me. The survival aspect sounds much more engaging than a time management game which I don't think is for me.

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Been checking these games out thanks to your review. Generally agree. I beat the main quest of Pikmin 2 and I still have half the game to go through. And you're right it's like mostly just cave gameplay and that gets really tedious after the first few. Especially when you get to the parts where bombs drop and wipe out your whole army. Savage. But thanks for turning me onto this series, cave guantlets aside, these were more interesting and fun than I realized!

6:25 the Pikmin carrying you to base move where you lie down was actually in the first game as well

16:20 For the new Pikmin lads, never leave an electric hazard active. Destroy them with EXTREME PREJUDICE!

Pikmin 2 is my favorite Pikmin and right now I’m playing Pikmin 4!!! It’s the hardest Pikmin game but it’s really fun, it’s so fun that I 100% the game

Remember! You can gain pikmin in caves if you throw them at multi-colored flowers.

The aiming controls are nice, but the random things falling from the sky is kind of unfair. First time, it's funny, second time it isn't. I like pikmin 2's challenge though. For this reason, Pikmin 2 is my favorite. (Also louie's personality isn't just "hungry", unlike 3.)

I know you're really big into playing whatever version is most recent/runs best but I don't think I've heard you talk much about control gimmicks before. imo pikmin 3 is a good game in both its wii u and switch versions and even though I'm fairly certain you'll play it and enjoy it on switch I'd still recommend that at some point if you get the chance you at least give the wii u version a try, a lot of it's bones are very married to the console it was developed for and the oportunities it provided (though most people really don't seem to appreciate what that console did overall). Again, don't really know if you're someone that cares much about control gimmicks but it's something to keep in mind. Looking forward to it.

Probably would have been received better if it was an expansion of the first game instead of a numbered sequel. And if the caves were removed entirely or made optional content that's not necessary to complete the game.

Tutorial is what I hate the most with a capital H. On pikmin 4 as well as pikmin 2 as one about to do something and the game stops you for an eternity minute to tell you to do it.

I always hated the premise of Pikmin 2 - just making money. I also hated the real-life non-natural items from the human world. Pikmin 1 was about surviving a harsh but beautiful natural world. Pikmin 2 is about making money 🤮

Also, why would you use blue pikmin on electric traps. Those are instant kills!

Louie being the best thing added, I wouldn't say that.

I think I know where this review is going with this title.

I like everything except the tutorial stuff tbh. Caves are very fun to me

Here’s my honest opinion on Pikmin 2, since the Wii version of Pikmin 2 was my first Pikmin game as a kid I do have big nostalgia for the game, but putting the nostalgia of the game aside, I honestly kind of love how this game is designed personally, firstly, I honestly think the reason why Pikmin 2 reused maps from 1, was yeah, because 2 only came out three years after 1, so it makes sense they would want to reuse content and because of the caves, but I also always think that the reason you go through the same areas but they look a lot different is because since when you go through light speed in fiction time progresses faster, Olimar progressed so much in time to where every areas looks and feels different even though he was just on PNF-404, like, a few hours to a day ago, probably! The whole thing with your Pikmin getting shuffled around in weird places, to where you through Pikmin you didn’t want to throw at the wrong thing to through is annoying, I feel like that was kind of the point. Like, there are 100 of these little dude, do you really think all of them as living things can just shuffle automatically on command! I mean, it’s fine to have a problem with it, but I personally think having Pikmin be kind of clumsy with how they walk, tripping, and still being in your party when dismissed makes them feel more alive instead of 100 little robots that do everything for you on command perfectly! Now, here’s where I talk about the caves, I was afraid to play this game again after so many years and play through the caves since it’s been at least 8-9 years since I last played this game and I didn’t even get to the post game stuff when I was a kid at 10 years old and under because of how hard the caves were for me because I wasn’t as experienced with Pikmin back then since it was my first game! But after playing it again on the Switch when I’m 19, almost 20, I absolutely love them (even tho currently I’m still going through completing post game stuff, but at least I completed the main game lol) and here’s my reasons why! For one, there isn’t a time limit in the caves, which for a story perspective I agree makes literally no sense at all, I think gives you a breather on just chilling out and not having to get as much stuff done in around 13 minutes, while also letting you think for a bit about which Pikmin to use on which enemies, hazards, and treasures that you see in your surroundings to get things done, and I personally just love that unique bit of gameplay for the caves that let me rest for a bit, even tho I still love the time limit with the days! Secondly, the fact that you can’t sprout anymore Pikmin in the caves, and you have to stick with the 100 or less that you being in until you find the exit, I absolutely love what this does for the gameplay! Since you have a limited number of Pikmin with you in the caves, it lets you strategize in a different way than being on the surface, instead of worrying about the time limit to get a lot of stuff done in a limited time, you now have to worry in the caves about having as many Pikmin survive until the end of the cave for the boss and other things like carrying treasures that you need certain Pikmin to get, so I love how differently the caves make me think there! And honestly, I think both the no time limit and the limited Pikmin really make the caves fun for me and half of the Pikmin community and honestly just work well together! If you had the time limit continue in the caves, you would have to rush through them and maybe not be able to get all the treasures in them or have dumb Pikmin deaths a long the way that you didn’t mean to happen a lot of the time, which would make the game too hard, and then if you didn’t have the Pikmin limit on the caves and you could sprout them in there, the caves themselves you would be boring, because who cares if 50 of your Pikmin would die, you can just get 50 more from the ship and continue on with no difficult! So I feel like those two changes to the gameplay, plus the fact that the caves can get long and hard (should’ve rephrased that lol) AND the fact that the are so many more enemies in them than the surface that’s the caves a lot more fun for me on repeat playthroughs to see if I can have less Pikmin die in certain caves, similar to on repeat playthroughs of the first game in seeing yourself getting more and more parts in less days each time! And I do have a solution for your opinion on Louie not being useless in the caves, six words, grouping up Purple and White Pikmin! Because of Louie, I can have him keep the Purple and White Pikmin with him around where the ship is to where most of the time no enemies are, and then I can have Olimar keep the Red, Yellow, and Blue with him to progress through the cave until I need the Purple or White Pikmin for something and also until I know there aren’t any more falling rocks, bomb rocks, or enemies! All of those things combined made me really enjoy the caves on the same level as I do the surface gameplay even tho they are widely different! So, now that I’ve said pretty much everything I love about Pikmin 2 and how it adds more layers to the Pikmin formula, I want to state one thing here, I don’t get what people mean when they say that they feel that the caves COMPLETELY take away what they love about Pikmin, because my thought-process is, why do you have this weird notion about what a Pikmin game is SUPPOSED to be, why can’t Pikmin 2 have these unique qualities to it, doesn’t it make for a unique experience to play through, making it so you can play through 1 and 2 and have a still fun, but completely different experience personally for me! Also, I’m fine with Pikmin 2 being the way that it is, because it shows that the people who worked on this game, cared so much about the people who didn’t like the first Pikmin how it is, that they made the sequel something for them that they can get into and have fun with, and they honestly kind of warms my heart! You don’t get that with a lot of game franchises, usually the sequels to games usually stay almost the exact same with one or two new mechanics that don’t really add anything to the game! So yeah, I’m fine with Pikmin 1 and 3 being the games where you care more about how many days and how much time you spend each day to 100% the game, and Pikmin 2 and MAYBE 4 if it’s going to be extremely similar where you care more about the Pikmin you take with you! BOTH of these formulas for Pikmin can exist and BOTH of them can be Pikmin, like, just because Pikmin 2 made these new mechanics doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have the same soul as the first game! So, that’s my stance of Pikmin 2, I personally love it, and it may be my favorite Pikmin game now, even tho I love all three of the games! Since 4 is going to be similar to 2, I wonder if when I eventually play it it’ll trounce 2 as my favorite, but we’ll wait and see! Btw, for anyone who has read this comment all the way through, thank you so much for reading all the way through, I honestly didn’t think this comment would be this long! LMAO And btw, even tho I was a bit harsh on some people’s opinions of this game, if you didn’t personally agree with me on my stances of this game and you still hate Pikmin 2 and love 1 and 3’s time limit focus more, than that’s perfectly fine, I’m not going to force you to like it more, I just wanted to at least have you guys give 2 more of a chance to accept some of its unique little quirks that change the gameplay, without hating it completely because it isn’t pIkMiN eNoUgH, whatever that means! I hope that my comment helped brighten this game up for you more and have a more positive opinion of it, but if not, fine! I’ll still love all of the Pikmin games (expect for HEY! Pikmin, I saw the full game on a stream before, and that game is a big yikes LMAO) Hope all of you reading this have a fantastic day, and you are an amazing person! ❤️

dandori issue

The interruptions aren't a big deal compared to the caves.

Having playing Pikmin 3&4, it’s hard for me to control the gameplay on 1&2. This cause me to be disappointed in the games😢.

I only see Dandori Issue there... Jk i understand the complains about the caves, i maybe got used to them and I actually like exploring them.

The only thing I didn't like about Pikmin 2 is the story. The new cartoonish tone sucked all the drama that was in the first game, where the stakes were higher with Olimar being stranded on the hostile planet just wanting to get home and there's a looming time limit. Now the only problem is selling a bunch of junk to make money and it's perfectly fine to send employees back to this uncharted planet as if they're on vacation or something lol

As someone with fucked up brain rot about cleaning rooms out i fuck with this game on an autistic level.

Yeah I don’t get the complaint about there not being a day limit in 3 it’s easy to get juice to the point that it does not matter at all and while in 1 you only have 30 days if you get at least 1 part every day you can still easily beat the game this seems like a reason people just made up to crap on Pikmin 2. Also wrong title and it shows something that you don’t seem to understand. Pikmin 2 is pikmin it plays like the first game with no day limit. Pikmin 2 is for people who like pikmin but it’s for people who don’t want to have a time limit and enjoy more combat focused game while still focusing on exploration

I got the pikmin 1+2 bundle, it took me a bit to warm up to this game, I STILL am loyal to pikmin 1 because that's my childhood, for one liminality, the feeling of being alone, plus it's kinda like a time trial sometimes, because I replay it over and over to get my best times I wanna say before I say anything else, I don't hate pikmin 2 yes, I hate some features formentioned, I can't say I hate the caves but i definitely hate some caves, UNDERWATER CASTLE BEING THE WORST As well as caverns of chaos and the dream den, (more like the nightmare den, I couldn't carry all the treasure off the ground after the final boss bc I had 22 Pikmin left, the water cannon is the worst pikmin weapon ever, next to the gattling groink's cannons I also dislike Luie, I'm more of a fan of the president, But all in all I hate some aspects, not all, while I do agree that some of the level designs are blatantly obvious and look kinda bad, some are subtle and blend in well, likenthe impact sight on the wistful wild, it brought back memories to me It's also harder than it needs to be, are the devs ok? Pikmin 1 is still my favorite, the lack of two captains has disadvantages, it makes up for by giving it a vibe that isn't like any other pikmin game, Pikmin 2 is close to capturing it but it's not the same

I usually beat pikmin 2 in about 8 days

I just don't like the randomly generated caves.

I said this before but pikmin 2 is ruff for new comers and yeah the cheap shit this game throws at you i see why you kinda hate it

your reason for not liking pikmin 2 is the same reason i don't like totk

Nothing better than people who like this game that they should not like it and there wrong because it does not play like pikmin which is not completely true and if they do than they dont like pikmin. That might turn some people off based off that title.

Parhia and pikmin yipee

*sad waterwraith noises*

I find Pikmin 2 is a game you either love like Arlo does or you really don’t like it all like Pariah here or other people like KingK

Hey! I liked Pikmin 2.

Completely agree. I first played Pikmin 1 and 2 for the first time with these new Switch ports and could barely make it 4 hours into Pikmin 2 before dropping it. An absolute slog of a game that misses everything that made the first interesting. Surely the developers understood that the design of this game is completely antithetical to the purpose of the original…? It’s kind of confounding.

Dandori issue though and though

Miyamoto has a lot of weird ideas. Makes you wonder what it's like to be in his head.

Of course he doesn’t like pikmin 2 given his mixed feelings on sonic….

Dandori Issue: The Video. I've played 2 countless times, and have never had any of these complaints.

This was a great video. You really managed to put into words my feelings about this game. Going into this game shortly after Pikmin 1, I thought to myself: "I bet the hate for this game is unwarranted and the caves are gonna be very fun". But after playing like, 10 in-game days, I just stopped playing because I was finding it INCREDIBLY boring, and I just couldn't put my finger on why. You managed to, though, and now I know for sure that I won't enjoy it and don't have to keep giving the game chances. I'll be playing Pikmin 3 soon, and from what I've seen and what my brother told me, it will probably become my favorite in the series.

The caves in pikmin 2 are so boring, they play like trying to help 100 grandmas cross the street. The rest of the pikmin series you are asking 30 grandmas go play bingo, 20 grandmas go bring me some cookies, 40 grandmas rebuild my space ship, 10 grandmas go fight that crab,! The rest of the series feels like coordinating a massive army to complete hundreds of objectives at a time. But pikmin 2 was really like : what if instead you just played crossing guard. the optimal strategy for pikmin 2 is the easiest, most risk averse, most unoptimized way to play pikmin and the game actively discourages you from trying to do better than that. I think that the cave gameplay could have worked if they just did something interesting with the idea, its a nice way to break up the super time manage-y gameplay with little spurts of something different, except its always just playing crossing guard, and with how much cave gameplay there is, it really feels like the time manage-y gameplay is there to be something new and interesting to break up the monotonous cave gameplay. But that attitude doesn't work because the time manage-y gameplay is all about time management I need to be thinking about it before I leave the cave so that I can not waste time trying to figure out what I'm doing when the clock is actually running. So it has to be the caves break up the time manage-y gameplay otherwise it just doesn't make sense to think about it that way at all.

im glad we're all turning on pikmin 2

I kinda get where you're coming from since 2 has no day limit and the caves are like a dungeon-crawler, but I think Hey! Pikmin is much more fitting as "Pikmin for people who don't like Pikmin". Pikmin 2 still has 1's core gameplay, while Hey! Pikmin is just a 2D puzzle platformer.

WOW I DIDN'T KNOW PEOPOLE WERE SO FATHERLESS!!!!!

I feel like most of peoples complaints with pikmin 2 are just skill issues or lack of patience / strategy lol

Pikmin 2 isn't unfair or bad. You just have what they call a DANDORI ISSUE!

Those are fighting words, you better back that up in your video essay or Ill leave a cursed copypasta

I completely agree with you. The Caves in 2 are just... boring. Or they're frustrating to no end. With literally no in-between 😭 You're either playing it as safe as possible, spending 15 minutes per sublevel clearing out all the enemies with purples, deleting elemental hazards with your other pikmin, coaxing out the bullshit falling rocks and bomb rocks and walking bombrocks and falling enemies, bringing the loot back, and rinsing and repeating and rinsing and repeating ad nauseum; all this with the constant threat of just inescapable level layouts that *force* a reset. Or you're bumrushing each cave with reckless abandon, being dealt a most _gruesome_ gauntlet that, aside from Pikmin 2's procedural generation, can only be matched by a cruel 12 year-old with Mario Maker. A level that feels like it was designed with the express purpose of making you not want to play. If you're a skilled player, *either way you play through these caves, you're fucked.* It's either boring out of your mind, or it's the most infuriating "oh, well that's just Pikmin 2" moments imaginable. I can't stand this game.

Dandori issue.

Satisfying to hear someone else suggest that Pikmin 2 Caveless mod idea. I've bounced that around in my head a lot, it'd make just casually playing Pikmin 2 like I play Pikmin 1 actually possible and really enjoyable. I always figure the problem is that the kind of people who are really into Pikmin 2 enough to get into the modding scene are there because they like Pikmin 2 and its caves. So like, fair enough

I swear the only times i see people rag on pikmin 2 is when its also coupled with brain dead commentary/gameplay.

skill issue to the max lol. pikmin 2 is more of an rts than all other games due to managing resources. your managing pikmin in areas you cant just regrow them, your managing sprays, your choosing which caves to tackle to get upgrades that will help in other specific caves. example - going to sub complex for the bulb to make submerged castle a bit easier.

Pikmin 2 is just kind of annoying to me. I don't mind the idea of the caves, but the fact that they are procedurely generated means that you really can't get much in terms of notable level design or puzzles. Instead you get random rocks falling from the sky, or enemies randomly ambushing you before you can even react, or bullcrap traps that can murder all your Pikmin instantly. Yay what fun. And the fact that the caves go on for an eternity just makes things way worse. I don't dislike this game but it's by far my least favourite of the trilogy and it's not even close.

that's a very accurate title

I really don’t understand how this is not Pikmin. Just because it adds a new element does not make it Pikmin. That’s like saying because they added the masks in majors mask or the durability in breath of the wild it’s not zelda like what do you realize how insane thats sounds.

(Didn’t finish Pikmin 2) Yep certified Dandori issue

Sounds like a dandori issue, if you hate 2, you might hate 4

I don't like Pikmin and didn't like this game lol

Nah, that's it Pariah, i don't take you seriously anymore.

Not to be rude but I’m convinced anyone who enjoys the caves in Pikmin 2 genuinely doesn’t care at all about game design. Like you can’t have any appreciation for game design and enjoy playing Pikmin 2 caves. I’m so excited for what you think of Pikmin 3 (the best one) especially if you talk about the incredible mission mode

I hate it when sequels do this. When they go the route of chasing money over the hearts and minds of their fans always pisses me off. Pikmin 2 and Mass Effect 2 are two of the biggest sequels in mind to do this. People point this out on the former but seldom do so with the latter. Both of them completely miss the point of what made the original great. I never played Pikman but even I can tell that Pikman 2 is a middle finger to Pikman 1 fans. To me it's worse in Mass Effect 2's case because it's changes are lauded and forever changed the series. At least Pikman got back on track with Pikman 3. Mass Effect got dumber with each new entry.

Nah this ones for the diehard fans you just gotta love pikmin and the quirks of how they handle tasks, and how exactly the controls work, and it’s a great time. Played it 100% probably three or four times in my life, and each time enjoyed it more than the last