Everything Wrong With Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

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In one of the best rebounds ever, the Star Trek series follows up boring-ass first movie with thrilling-ass Wrath of Khan sequel! Good move, Star Trek!!!
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@thelaughingrouge 5 лет назад

Scotty wasn't crying over some kid, that was his nephew.

@jasonblalock4429 5 лет назад

Yeah, the scene establishing that is, like, randomly distributed in various versions of the movie. It's had so many cuts over the years. (Although, seriously, why was it not in every cut? Scotty's actions make NO SENSE without establishing that.)

@cindystephens-law9039 5 лет назад

You beat me to it thelaughingrouge.

@VeronicaMowery 5 лет назад

Yeppers

@philippaul6039 5 лет назад

He was? I had no idea

@LordTimelord 5 лет назад

Actually the scene was included in the original movie theatre release. For some on unexplainable reason, they removed it from the VHS and LaserDisc release. The missing scene was also included in some showings on TV channels over the years. I specifically remember it being shown on the ABC TV network.

@chrispeterson1816 5 лет назад

In the Directors cut you find out the boy the Scotty was crying over it was his nephew

@TEKKENKING23 5 лет назад

Chris peterson I didn't know there was a director's cut version?

@StacieMMeier 5 лет назад

I had an impression they state it in original movie too. I believe Scotty brags about his Sister's son being on his first duty.

@YolandaAnneBrown95726 5 лет назад

Also in the novelization, which went deeper into their relationship.

@hereticpariah6_66 5 лет назад

Dude, _that _*_was_*_ in the original._ quite plainly stated, too. ...and in the book version.

@benwillis5840 5 лет назад

@@hereticpariah6_66 it was in the original theatrical release but was missing on home video and is sometimes in the TV version and sometimes not.

@ViewpointUnique 5 лет назад

Should have taken a sin off for James Horner's music on this film - it really was masterful. It was definitely part of what made the film's overwhelming success.

@jasonblalock4429 5 лет назад

Just as long as you overlook how much he borrowed from Prokofiev's Alexander Neveky for the final battle music.

@ViewpointUnique 5 лет назад

Listened to the whole score in question. Found a couple short parts that probably inspired him, but those make up all of a short few seconds of the film, and even the final battle. It's fair to say he borrowed a bit, but if he borrowed the majority of it, it was not from this piece.

@danabnormal5988 5 лет назад

The music is perfect. Adds a lot to the experience, which is the point.

@BeeWhistler 5 лет назад

Jason Blalock Sometimes creating a great piece of art is knowing who to steal from and how much.

@robbruce2128 5 лет назад

@@jasonblalock4429 There should be a James Horner plagiarism drinking game. What? The Braveheart Love Theme is from Holst's Planets? I'm gonna need a cab home!

@lavenderotaku2481 5 лет назад

Everyone else: **B*tching because they love this movie** Me: **Crying because Spock being dead at the end of this always makes me upset**

@__-zf3tz 4 года назад

Jaidin Borenski ...even if he comes back..?

@willgilliam9053 4 года назад

I am 41, seen that scene of sacrifice many times, still gives me tears

@Adara007 4 года назад

I saw this in the cinemas with my (now late) father at 11 years old: Spock's death reduced me to tears then, and despite knowing he's resurrected every time I see the scene, I still find tears flowing. It's a moving scene: anyone who isn't affected by it either hates ST or has a heart of stone, imo.

@thepickygamer4450 4 года назад

Spock must be out of revives.

@seancochran8251 3 года назад

After countless rewatches (run time matches must platelets donation time), Spock's death and Scotty's bagpipe playing 'Amazing Grace" .... real tears!

@atarileaf 5 лет назад

One sin for cinema sins not knowing Peter Preston was scottys nephew

@MyuriMiyu 4 года назад

As others pointed out. It's not established in every cut of this movie.

@AdamMGTF Год назад

Is he the actors death or the characters. Because if it's the actors then I'm not sure how it's relevant to the movie and if the character is supposed to the related to Scotty then why on earth is that not even hinted at. I mean a name badge or something

@thegray5730 5 лет назад

5:06 That simulation was revolutionary in fractal and algorithmic art, and paved the way for most video special effects we have today. Minus one sin for disrespect.

@jasonblalock4429 5 лет назад

Absolutely. It's probably one of the single most important CGI shots in film history, especially considering it was rendered in *1982.*

@-Azure.EXE- 5 лет назад

Nerrrrrrds Nah I'm kidding that's actually pretty amazing. Now to continue scrolling comments sections for cool facts

@bubba200874426 5 лет назад

The sin wasn't for the actual effect. The sin was for the in universe nonsense that would have gone into making the effect.

@jasonblalock4429 5 лет назад

@@bubba200874426 Yeah, but by the 23rd Century, that sort of rendering would be cheap and easy.

@dukestt 5 лет назад

Wasnt it the start of ILM, or those guys had something to do with it?

@Mertaranta 5 лет назад

The "word" Scotty's soon-to-be-dead nephew is talking about is reference to the earlier scene where Kirk inspects the engine room and he ask Scotty if "his" engines are capable of handling a training crew. Scotty replied "Give the word, admiral", to which Kirk replied "The word is given." Meaning command or ok. 10 sins off for not paying attention to the movie.

@mikelmacrichard4772 Год назад

Cut scene of Scotty and McCoy at Scotty's family house and the family fight over Scotty giving more attention to his nephew that his Niece who later becomes a captain of the USS Montgomery he designed clears up a lot of confusion.

@Hiraghm 5 лет назад

"is this moving saying Scotty has gonorrhea?" No, it's referencing the original series "The Trouble with Tribbles" and Scotty's classic distaste of shore leave.

@chrissonofpear1384 5 лет назад

Good catch! Plus of being accused of murder...?

@zoppie 5 лет назад

Actually, Jimmy Doohan had suffered a heart attack, THAT"s what the line was referring to.

@Lesley_RedRhody 5 лет назад

Hiraghm Shame on Jeremy for not knowing how much devotion Scotty has towards his beloved Engines! 😂

@_WillCAD_ 4 года назад

Er... I always thought it was referencing Scotty's penchant for extreme alcohol consumption putting him in need of a doctor's care by the end of his shore leave.

@mikeaudette2823 4 года назад

@@_WillCAD_ 100% correct! "Never get drunk unless you're willing to pay for it the next day."

@716monk 5 лет назад

In naval terms, mister is a referral to rank. In the United States Navy and United States Coast Guard it is proper to use Mister to refer to commissioned officers below the rank of lieutenant commander, or to subordinate commissioned officers, though the use of Mister implies familiarity compared to the use of rank title for an unknown officer.

@Lesley_RedRhody 5 лет назад

Unkl_ Mnky Also, another sin needs to be removed because Jeremy didn’t know that Saavik is half Vulcan, half Romulan. What do you mean it was never mentioned in Star Treks II through IV? Just having a little fun with one of my favorite Franchises of all time. 🖖😁

@ericredbear425 5 лет назад

"Mister" refers specifically to Ensigns, doesn't it?

@coopaloopvt 4 года назад

Referring to officers as “mister” is supposed to only be for enlisted members introducing civilians friends and family to said officers

@KairuHakubi 4 года назад

nothing like bitching about sexism during something deliberately (and awkwardly) done to AVOID sexism you can't win

@RobertMc0811 3 года назад

@@ericredbear425 I thought Mister referred directly to Lieutenant

@bazzfromthebackground3696 5 лет назад

Actually upset there wasn't a "Khan" bonus round.

@Orvieta 5 лет назад

Or that the shout didn't get sins removed, I meme it's a flipping meme by now.

@jackcouch8322 5 лет назад

KKKHHHHAAAAANNNNN

@kellyweingart3692 4 года назад

“From hell’s heart I stab at thee...for hate’s sake I spit my last breath...at thee”

@kellyweingart3692 4 года назад

“Ceti Alpha six exploded six months after we were left here”

@lakecountynaturalist7617 3 года назад

Yes, the reaction in the movie theater to Richard Montalban was laughter...when we first saw him on the screen. But after his first couple of words, we knew he meant business. You can't get around the passion he put into that role. Nobody else could have done it.

@celticwolff5429 5 лет назад

If the studio had left in the part where Scotty says the trainee was his nephew, their scenes would have made more sense.

@76TomD 5 лет назад

There are multiple versions of the film

@hufflepunk9562 4 года назад

From what people have been commenting, those scenes were part of the original theatrical release but for some reason on home VHS and DVD, they cut those scenes.

@76TomD 4 года назад

@@hufflepunk9562 They are on DVD's too. You just need the right version

@KairuHakubi 4 года назад

or that he was his physical trainer.

@ladymopar2024 4 года назад

In the director's cut and when I saw it at the drive-in

@FarshadTami 5 лет назад

only 5 Sins removed for Spocks Badassery????? 15 at least.

@attilahazafy4146 3 года назад

all? yes, all sins removed.

@richardadams4928 2 года назад

I'll second that. Also, a sin for the 'two dimensional thinking' line, immediately followed by a demonstration of fundamentally two dimensional tactics.

@jjnonken 5 лет назад

"This scene gets me every time." Me too, Jeremy. Me too.

@rgrif1764 4 года назад

I just had the privilege of watching STAR TREK II on the big screen at my local theater yesterday. ILM’s simple, practical special effects were beautiful to see. I am so tired of the boring, mind numbing CGI crap in movies today. I wish that todays filmmakers would learn that sometimes less is more.

@MegaZeta Год назад

Yeah, I much prefer the use of quality CG employed effectively, which also appears in different movies today.

@inigoloyola1869 Год назад

Actually, this movie was a pioneer in digital special effects -- the "genesis effect" was an animation and one of the first to use a fractal landscape, which is effectively computer generating a shape from a random probability distribution en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television But yes, I definitely enjoy practical effects. Movies like Inception are great works of art in that respect

@LetralXIV 5 лет назад

Yes, you SHOULD believe that these senior officers would pretend to be juniors for the sake of these college students, because: A. It's a military college. B. It's one of the best ways for cadets to learn, because they're gaining knowledge from people with direct experience. C. They ACTUALLY DO THIS AT MILITARY COLLEGES IN AMERICA.

@Lapinporokoira 5 лет назад

I would also imagine working around senior officers would add an extra layer of pressure

@LetralXIV 5 лет назад

@@Lapinporokoira Also that, thank you!

@Dosbomber 5 лет назад

I would also think it removes some random elements, like having a rookie helmsman who can't follow your orders because he doesn't know wtf he's doing, which shouldn't be part of a normal mission. Presumably, the senior officers would know how to correctly operate their assigned part of the ship. Admittedly, observing your handling of a dipshit helmsman could also be part of your evaluation in a leadership role....

@astrowolvez 4 года назад

I don't know if it's because I'm tired, but this is very confusing.

@pwnmeisterage 3 года назад

Exactly why do they even have these elaborate exploding bridge stages when (according to CBS Trek) they supposedly have holodecks?

@raphtalia113 5 лет назад

He collects Old revolvers as well as old ships. *Points at Flintlocks*

@bryanbrady877 5 лет назад

Look at those two powder flasks, just like Dirty Harry had.

@neonwhitea.1548 5 лет назад

Ding

@stevedenis8292 5 лет назад

Did I fire one shot or no shots well do you feel lucky punk?

@stevedenis8292 5 лет назад

If he could recite it in the ancient tongue of Mordor ,Black speech.

@bradweber936 4 года назад

I saw that.

@digitalfootballer9032 5 лет назад

No sins removed for 62 year old Ricardo Montalban's physique, which is more impressive than most guys in their prime? The guy was pretty cut for a senior citizen, and it was not makeup, he actually worked out to look more menacing for the role.

@lakecountynaturalist7617 3 года назад

Yep, that's no chest plate under his costume that's HIS REAL CHEST! When I found that out I couldn't believe it. You'd think under that white suit he wore on Fantasy Island there was nothing, but that guy was ripped.

@daviniarobbins9298 2 года назад

He worked out for several months before shooting.

@andrewbesso4257 2 года назад

I have heard that Walter Koenig was aware of the continuity error, but held his tongue to avoid having his part in the movie diminished. He also jokes that Chekov was hogging a bathroom that Khan wanted to use.

@Mike1064ab Год назад

They retcon it in a book later that Chekhov was there on ceti alpha v when they helped set up khans colony there which was several months later and actually took place during the events in the second season. So he actually did meet him briefly.

@andrewbesso4257 Год назад

@@Mike1064ab I prefer Mr. Koenig's story

@ShadowWingTronix 5 лет назад

Spock's return was less cash and more Leonard Nimoy changed his mind about quitting as Spock when he was what the character meant to the fans. I think that was why he decided to unkill his character.

@lakecountynaturalist7617 3 года назад

Yep. Nimoy also enjoyed the fact that being "reincarnated" on the Genesis planet would add some quirks to Spock...and idea he very much wanted to explore.

@daviniarobbins9298 2 года назад

Course money and directing the next two films had nothing to do with it. It was no secret that Nimoy had grown to hate the character and felt typecast by it.

@patrese993 5 лет назад

James Horner got an Oscar for Titanic. Imho this soundtrack is much better. Requiescat in pace

@ladymopar2024 4 года назад

Totally agree

@daviniarobbins9298 2 года назад

I loved the opening theme music used for this and the next one. Was a bit miffed that they didn't use it for what was essentially the third movie in a trilogy.

@danabnormal5988 5 лет назад

This is by far the best Star Trek film.

@thegreenmanofnorwich 3 года назад

I also love VI I like the politics and investigation. I think II probably edges it out, but I do love both.

@bobojo37 3 года назад

Its widely regarded as the reason Star Trek didn't die off as a series after The (Slow) Motion Picture, and thus what led to The Next Generation. The rest... is history.

@ukmediawarrior 5 лет назад

You didn't mention the one huge plot hole I always cringe over, lol. That no one on Reliant realised there was an entire planet missing from the Ceti Alpha system, LOL:D

@0427Tink 5 лет назад

That's because the system hadn't been fully mapped during the time of Space Seed (and the mission logs were sealed). When Reliant got there they assumed the old probe data was wrong.

@ukmediawarrior 5 лет назад

@@0427Tink Ahh, but when Kirk asked Spock in 'Space Seed' if they were travelling close to the Ceti Alpha system, Spock off the top of his head gives Kirk a run down on Ceti Alpha V saying it was habitable if savage. I kinda think that means the system was mapped firstly because Kirk knew it was there and secondly because Spock new the details of that system. And why do you assume the logs were sealed? Why would they be? None of the other missions logs were sealed. If anything an advisory would probably go out from Starfleet telling Captains to stay away from that system which makes it very well known.

@christophersmith4897 4 года назад

Given how hard it is for us to pick up planets or even asteroids from earth with all of our capabilities, I'm not that surprised a starship slipping into a system would have a hard time counting the number of planets.

@ukmediawarrior 4 года назад

@@christophersmith4897 Other than Wrath of Khan is set a couple of hundred years in the further with future tech that has been stated in many episodes over all the Trek series to be able to scan a system immediately In 'The Doomsday Machine' for example they arrive at the system only to find several planets missing, a couple still in one piece and one in the process of being broken up ... all while sitting on the outer edge of the system.

@christophersmith4897 4 года назад

@@ukmediawarrior I must admit that was always one of my biggest peeves. That even with super future tech they could not only show up and detect all bodies within several dozen AU but also determine their orbits accurately enough to identify them. lol. Of all the advances I could accept for the sake of the plot, being able to do in an instant what we need at least days if not months of observations to do was always just on the other side of being able to suspend disbelief. I suppose along with Warp drive, shields, and tractor beams all powered by producing warps in space/time they could likely detect the same due to planetary objects but it always bugged me. just my tick.

@OurFantasyLife 5 лет назад

All this Sins video did was remind me how spectacular the early Star Trek Motion Pictures were.

@ladymopar2024 4 года назад

This after all these years remains my favorite Star Trek movie

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

They hated E.T. so I stopped watching for a couple years.

@equivalentartexchange7096 5 лет назад

90% of comments are about Scotty's nephew. 10% is "KHAAAAAAAN!!!"

@charleshackney416 5 лет назад

75% Scotty’s nephew 10% KHAAAAAAN 15% complaining about idjits who don’t know what a revolver is

@equivalentartexchange7096 5 лет назад

@@charleshackney416 true.

@__-zf3tz 4 года назад

My dad has a *cough cough* TOY *cough cough* model of a communicator, (well he has three model ships and like ten other communicators) and when you press a button it screams ‘KHHHAAAAANNNN’

@equivalentartexchange7096 4 года назад

@@__-zf3tz lol. That's pretty neat.

@RUBBER_BULLET 4 года назад

@@equivalentartexchange7096 And there's always one twat commenting on the comments.

@spacingguild 5 лет назад

The dead trainee kid is Scotty's nephew.

@highlightshadow 5 лет назад

Funeral scene definitely hits you right in the feels. Looks so genuine on Kirk for once

@AdamMGTF Год назад

I loved it when I first saw it. I admit the bit about him being human hasn't aged well. It makes me think of all the times in Hollywood disaster movies where the hero has an American flag behind them because the other 230 countries couldn't save the planet without an American hero. Vulcans in starfleet are so filing a protest with HR over Kirk's racism......

@CountBrennuvarg 5 лет назад

Still waiting for Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

@MacKenzieAkari 5 лет назад

Maybe our wishes will be granted one day

@davincent98 5 лет назад

I'm still waiting for First Contact

@PlumbPitiful 5 лет назад

He was probably waiting for the next new Star Trek movie to come out to continue the series but since it looks like there won't be any more Star Trek movies we may never get The Voyage Home or beyond

@jaketheberge1970 5 лет назад

@@PlumbPitiful Well we may get TV sins of the various shows.

@InvictusOmega 5 лет назад

@@jaketheberge1970 No one cares about Discovery. It's not STAR TREK.

@jmcasler1512 5 лет назад

I’m commenting without watching the video. There is *NOTHING* wrong with Wrath of Khan! ... now I’m gonna to watch this video to rant for the next 17 minutes.

@jackwarren1687 5 лет назад

Jm Casler favorite comment ever

@Gdank72 5 лет назад

It's true, this is a perfect movie!

@SavageDawgJoshua 5 лет назад

My original comment above: Sinning "The Wrath of Khan"..... is Wayne Brady gonna hafta unsub a bitch?

@lofthouse23 4 года назад

@Michael Freed Spock does that all the time. He uses a better word than 'lying'. Watch Star Trek 6, he does is all the time in that film.

@skibot9974 3 года назад

I can name THREE a things wrong 1. Star Fleet apprently failed to notice an entire PLANET got destroyed 15 years ago 2. Chekhov and Khan recognize one another despite Chekhov not being in “Space Seed” 3. Scotty decided to take his dying nephew to the bridge rather than sickbay

@Razgriz85 5 лет назад

Those are muzzle loading, flintlock and percussion cap pistols, not revolvers.

@nateavery2875 5 лет назад

IKR One sin for the idiot making the video.

@AdamMGTF Год назад

In fairness, most people on earth wouldn't know that. To most people everything that goes bang with the designed purpose to kill people is a gun and the difference is hard to tell apart. I enjoy military history and watch channels on here that discusses weapons. I have 300 or so books on history 1871-1945 and I couldnt tell you if a gun is a carbine or a rifle and I can only tell if a hand gun is a revolver or an automatic pistol because the shape is obvious. Remember.... It's obvious that you know something only because it's part of your knowledge base. I bet most people couldn't tell the difference between different species of grass, grains of wood, shapes of stamps, methods used to make a brick, types of fishing lure or material used to make a tampon, dye used to colour their socks, how the software runs their phone or types of strong used to weave their bed covers. Humanity is defined by our understanding. We tend to have limited interests and therefore limited understanding.

@prideandconviction Год назад

“…aand that’s exactly what walks through the door” good god man 😂

@Lapinporokoira 5 лет назад

I have a theory about Chekhov knowing Khan. He was on the enterprise at the time but was not promoted to navigation until later. So was somewhere in lower decks.

@kimmmmeee 5 лет назад

Good theory.

@76TomD 5 лет назад

He also studied the ship's records

@TheJBrennan17 5 лет назад

Walter Koenig joked that Chekov bumped into Khan on his way to the bathroom.

@FIREBRAND38 5 лет назад

@@76TomD Which wouldn't explain how Khan knew him, however...

@PlumbPitiful 5 лет назад

At any given time there were over 400 crew members aboard the Enterprise. It's very plausible that Chekov was working in another section and saw Khan but we never saw him on camera

@johnking5174 4 года назад

3:13 - This scene was written as a little quip about James Doohan's heart attack before filming The Wrath of Khan. This was the "wee bout" Scotty was referring to here according to James Doohan himself in an interview.

@omega311888 3 года назад

never knew that before.. thank you.

@johnking5174 3 года назад

@@omega311888 Yes, he had a massive heart attack which nearly killed him. So a "wee bout" was the understatement of the century.

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

I like the STD version instead.

@enavy04 5 лет назад

The kid at 7:50 is Scotty's nephew according to the director's cut and novelization.

@heuristicalgorithm8465 5 лет назад

omg, who the hell cares??

@AstroNerdBoy 5 лет назад

@Michael Freed I'm pretty sure the American theatrical release did not reference Scotty's nephew. I believe it wasn't until the TV version came out that we got that reference on screen. Actually, IMDB has an article on this, as there are multiple versions of the film that have been aired or released. www.imdb.com/title/tt0084726/alternateversions

@_XR40_ 5 лет назад

@@AstroNerdBoy I knew the kid was Scotty's nephew when I saw it - And I saw it in the theater when it was first released. Never actually seen it on TV or home video, but I still knew it. IMDB can have any article they want 30 years later. It doesn't make them right.

@AstroNerdBoy 5 лет назад

@@_XR40_ Well, I don't know what to tell you. I don't remember it in the theater addition. And movie studios didn't cut stuff out of video tape releases. I think when I read the novelization was when I first knew that it was Scotty's nephew. And then when the movie was on TV, I remember being pissed 'cause all of this stuff wasn't in the theater version. It made me wonder if Europe/Japan got this superior cut as they did with Aliens.

@_XR40_ 5 лет назад

@@AstroNerdBoy Couldn't say what version other people may have seen, but I distinctly remember thinking that the kid's death was just pointlessly gratuitous crap, trying to make the audience care about another _redshirt_ death - And Scotty dragging him to the bridge was just tacky and forced. By the end, I was thinking that it took away from the impact of Spock's death. (As a fan at the time, I also knew the kid was doomed as soon as Kirk talked to him) My point is: I saw it twice in the theater within the space of a couple days after it was released. Never read the novelisation. Never saw it on TV, DVD or even VHS. However, you may be right in that other countries _often_ get slightly different versions of films...

@LadyOnikara 3 года назад

"Boldly going forward, still can't find reverse!"

@jasonblalock4429 5 лет назад

Just for the record... Savaak is half-Vulcan / half-Romulon. That's why she never quite acts like a Vulcan and emotes "too much." The weird thing is, they filmed scenes establishing this at least twice during the film series, but they kept getting cut in post production.

@zoppie 5 лет назад

Yeah, well that explanation never made it into the film, so Bennet and Meyer were fine with everyone thinking she's a Vulcan. BUT, assuming the half-Romulan story is canon, how would that explain her wearing her emotions on her sleeve? Romulans are an offshoot of the Vulcan race, essentially the same people, just living on different planets. Green blood and all. Which makes Saavik the weirdest looking Vulcan or Romulan ever, with pink skin, rosy cheeks, and ruby-red lips. She says humor is a difficult concept and is always spouting about logic, but where is the logic in painting one's face in order to look more human? Vulcans are not emotionless. They are so hot-blooded with emotion that they nearly wiped themselves out, hence their current stoicism and emotional suppression. Romulans _could_ suppress their own emotions in the same way, but they simply chose not too. They are no more genetically predisposed to emotion than their Vulcan brethren, so it was really just a lame excuse. No wonder it was cut.

@davidhewitt5937 5 лет назад

The novelization answers the question of why Scotty is so upset. The trainee is Scotty's nephew.

@skylx0812 5 лет назад

Saavik was his friend and when he died she raged in her quaters. She was half Romulan so was a Vulcan with a wild side. It would have been better if these scenes were in the film.

@TheSjuris 5 лет назад

skylx08 she also had the ability to change her looks from Kirstie Alley into Robin Curtis

@aaronsugar7228 5 лет назад

@@skylx0812 The novelizations also had a story thread where she got pregnant with Spock's son during his Pon Farr in Star Trek III.

@jasonblalock4429 5 лет назад

And originally Savaak was supposed to be in The Undiscovered Country, but the studio forced them to recast her role with a better-known actress. (Which is such a shame; having Savaak turn out to be a conspirator would have been a really great twist.)

@chrissonofpear1384 5 лет назад

Roddenberry also disagreed with her turning traitor, though.

@joshdrr 5 лет назад

15:15 Converting a scene from Star Trek into a parody of Galaxy Quest which is a parody of Star Trek. Meta/10.

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 5 лет назад

wasn't it great?

@picaludica 5 лет назад

I've been wondering for a while why they haven't sinned Galaxy Quest yet, to be honest. Every time I hear it referenced in the outtakes, I'm like "Do a EWW on Galaxy Quest, please, please, please! It would be so fun!"

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 5 лет назад

@@picaludica That would be a hell of a thing ;-)

@dropkickmurphy4114 4 года назад

@@picaludica I agree, but how does one sin a satire??

@travisbrewer5391 3 года назад

Partial main power explains the code used earlier. In addition to being a workaholic, Scotty is an excellent jury rigger. To get full power would take two days but jury rigging enough systems so that the Enterprise could put up a fight was doable in two hours.

@Towert7 5 лет назад

CinemaSins committed a sin. Those guns are NOT revolvers. To be a 'revolver', the gun must have a revolving cylinder. Those firearms do not have a revolving cylinder. Epic fail.

@amehak1922 5 лет назад

towert7 they're not historical gun experts, or likely modern guns either.

@alikaandrade3435 5 лет назад

I mean he was wrong, but....his fail wasn’t as epic as you think it was. It kinda doesn’t matter.

@mosspally6995 5 лет назад

Neeeerrrrrrrdddddd!

@tobybartels8426 5 лет назад

@@alikaandrade3435 : This is Cinema Sins. _Everything_ matters.

@Dosbomber 5 лет назад

Well, CinemaSins is comprised of "woke" leftists, so they know nothing about firearms, military ranking, insignia, or standard practices, etc.

@LaurenWeinstein 5 лет назад

OK, about that Genesis Effect bit. I know it looks cheesy now. As it happens, I was visiting ILM (in San Rafael when they were an unmarked building in a business park) when that sequence was being filmed. It was drawn one frame at a time on a (I think Genesco) CRT graphics display. I recall each frame took 30 seconds or perhaps significantly more to fill -- something like that. Then a camera pointing at the CRT would automatically click off a single frame shot and the next graphics frame would start to fill in on the CRT. Given the limitations at the time, it came out pretty well I think. This is probably the best film in the ST franchise. I worked on the first one (ST:TMP). I knew it was horrible as soon as I saw the script. I have some pretty bizarre stories from that production. Keep up the good work!

@KairuHakubi 4 года назад

Reminds me of Mario Paint

@christophersmith4897 4 года назад

It always reminded me of the Amiga program that allowed you to import the elevation data for a planet and 'terraform' it. I had always that must be how they rendered the water and plants

@lakecountynaturalist7617 3 года назад

All that stuff was pretty darn good for the time.

@daviniarobbins9298 2 года назад

For years I thought the book sequences of the BBC TV adaptation of the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy were proper computer made sequences. Only found later in the 90s they were hand drawn animations. I mean they look that good. The man who drew them won an award for them at the time.

@LaurenWeinstein 2 года назад

@@daviniarobbins9298 That's my favorite adaptation of the book, definitely.

@travisbrewer5391 3 года назад

And you didn’t notice that the supposed authorization for the Reliant taking the Genesis device from Regula was from Kirk, which would result in Regula contacting Kirk for confirmation and Kirk would come to straighten things out when contact with Regula is lost. Again, not a mistake.

@AdamMGTF Год назад

I'm pretty sure your over thinking this. Like A LOT

@cbohnstedt4477 5 лет назад

I think the torpedo thing was because the automatic systems were offline?

@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 5 лет назад

Also, to show Spock's burial.

@chrissonofpear1384 5 лет назад

The main reason. So they could all gather there for the burial.

@CharlesP2009 5 лет назад

The director, Nicholas Meyer, wanted a "running out the guns" shot amongst the other nautical influences he added to the film.

@AstroNerdBoy 5 лет назад

@@CharlesP2009 Yeah. He apparently drew inspiration from things like Horatio Hornblower and stuff. When I saw this movie as a young teen, the torpedo loading seemed very cool to me. When I got older, it became one of those, "OK, this really doesn't make sense." The movie should have had a line to indicate why they'd need to manually "run the guns" on a starship, but then Nicholas Meyer wasn't really versed in Star Trek, so it didn't occur to him to do so.

@stephandolby 5 лет назад

Could also be because the ship was on a training cruise, or a case of "we're deep in Federation space, do we need the torpedoes?". It's a ship full of cadets, but is there even a full crew complement? I see the logic of the other comments, though.

@longliverockandrollsmith9323 Год назад

You sinned Kahn and chekov’s interaction, saying that they never met, it was established in a tie in comic that chekov was indeed on the enterprise during the events of space seed, just not on the main bridge crew. And as ge says in that very story just because he wasn’t on the bridge, doesn’t mean he wasn’t there, it’s a crew of 430, most we ever meet is like 50, and that’s factoring in all the redshirts who die and no doubt get replaced…

@AdamMGTF Год назад

A show where the size of the shuttles compared to the ship is horribly miss matched, the actors play multiple species and have different names and that's just glossed over and there is barely an attempt at understanding the difference between a quadrant, system or sector. Let alone the nonsense about the edge of the galaxy. Or it's centre. Or something. I adore star trek. But it's only enjoyable if you enjoy the enormous holes in every level of cannon. Trying to sin cinema sins by using a magazine that's not even cannon is just self sinning.

@longliverockandrollsmith9323 Год назад

All fair, I just like drawing attention to the comics, particularly those of the 80s and early 90s are awesome.

@exidy-yt 3 года назад

Best. Trek. Ever. Every scene, and especially the epic Hambone vs. Hambone duels between Kirk and Khan could not possibly earn sins. EVERY single scene shot is a home-run. Also, I had a minor critique about one of the scenes, but watching the sequence of badass laid out by the CinemaSins guys, it's been blown completely out of my head. What a goddamn GREAT movie.

@dannywebb8718 5 лет назад

You didn't mention Saavik crying at Spock's funeral which would be a sin, but in either another cut or in the novel, (I don't remember which) it's explained that she's half Romulan and half Vulcan. Even just a little bit of dialogue would've explained that.

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

Read that, but haven't seen that on film. Did get to hear that cut conversation on Sulu's promotion, which was deleted and not brought back until ST 6.

@KyrosX27 5 лет назад

Kirk: *Come* Narrator: _and that's exactly what walks through the door!_ Jesus I haven't surprise LOLed at something lately. thanks for making my day

@TakuroSpirit77 5 лет назад

Got me too.

@jimmym3352 5 лет назад

I just got that joke LOL

@martychisnall 5 лет назад

Khan is a super-genius, but a super-genius by 1996 standards, this is 2285...

@jimmym3352 5 лет назад

super genius in 1996 just means you can beat Doom. :)

@grieverzer0416 5 лет назад

Super Genius or not, he had no real experience or knowledge of space battles, nor did his crew. This was why they were so clumsy or seemingly negligent during the battles. Without the element of surprise he wouldnt have been able to do that kind of damage to the enterprise.

@jonathanhirst6997 5 лет назад

I like to think that despite having a superior intellect, Khan was actually quite mad by the time he and his followers escape Ceti Alpha V. The death of his wife had obviously affected him, and considering that he mentions what killed her she doubtless died in the most unpleasant way possible on that dead planet. The years stranded on a said dead planet, with only the slugs that killed his wife and his original follower's inbred offspring for company (because I don't believe for a second those were supposed to be his original followers, and so I see the "these people have sworn to live and die at my command two hundred years before you were born" line as just another sign of his madness). The name he no doubt had on his mind every day and the face he saw every night for fifteen years, the face of his tormentor: James T. Kirk. Obsessively reading the likes of Moby Dick and to the point where he starts to view himself as Captain Ahab and Kirk as his white whale. Those are the kinds of things that would drive anyone mad. Even a superman.

@kaceyhowell6570 3 года назад

7:17. In the director's cut of this movie, it is revealed that the kid is in fact Scotty's Sister's son. So Scotty is carrying him up to the bridge probably because he is overwhelmed with emotion.

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

"My sister's youngest, Admiral."

@neonwhitea.1548 5 лет назад

Those were flintlock pistols not revolvers... ding

@ohc1492 5 лет назад

I've come all the way from deep space to make clear that there's NOTHING wrong with Star Trek II: The wrath of Khan.

@MegaZeta Год назад

Clearly the people who made this video like the movie. Everything doesn’t have to be perfect to be good. And one thing this movie has is a sense of humor about itself.

@The_Kiosk 5 лет назад

Nothing. Nothing is wrong with the wrath of Khan. Roll credits.

@buddahkris748 5 лет назад

🤣😂🤣😂

@blueskyatfero 4 года назад

Yes, that is a navy legend. The cadet was in fact asking permission to die.

@Rockhound6165 5 лет назад

The issue with Spock's burial is brought up in the next movie when Sarek gives Kirk hell for not bringing Spock back to Vulcan for burial.

@user-dr2yz8um3d 2 года назад

Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan is 40 years old! Top notch tension, cool effects, the end of life and the beginning of new one balanced beautifully Great memorable lines Definitely one of the franchise's best installments and director Nicholas Meyer saved it Such a miraculous performance by the late Ricardo Montalban Full of Shakespearean elements and lots of Moby Dick and Captain Horatio Amazing the filmmakers had the gall to kill off Spock and it got quite the emotional reaction from fans It was cool too this movie tied specifically to the 1967 tv series making Khan's motivation very clear Plus it left fingerprints on modern blockbusters like X2: X-Men United and Transformers 3 NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS MOVIE, it’s sinless!

@iansneddon2956 2 года назад

I agree. I was expecting "Everything Wrong With Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan" in 6 seconds or less. Throw up the moment the credits start and say "the moment I realized we would never get anything this good ever again." Cinema Sins, you task me! You task me!

@user-dr2yz8um3d 2 года назад

@@iansneddon2956 usually that’s Nostalgia Critics job “Movie title” in 5 seconds

@internationalvibe 5 лет назад

Isn't the "kid" Scotty is crying over his nephew? His mourning seems perfectly justified (though you could argue it's still in appropriate given the severity of their situation).

@Igorcastrochucre 5 лет назад

It's the Director's cute that you find out this relationship, they're not sinning that version.

@internationalvibe 5 лет назад

@@Igorcastrochucre Ahh I didn't know that. It's been a long time since I've seen the full movie, I thought it was established that it was his nephew, hence why I was confused at the sin (though even if it was established he probably still would have sinned it).

@alenazwiep2996 4 года назад

Having a mirror with lights all around it is incredibly useful if you have to put makeup on and don’t have a handy sunlit window, although that does make me wonder how much makeup Spock wears on a daily basis.

@Skidd2 5 лет назад

I hate copyright claims on good videos

@TEKKENKING23 5 лет назад

Skidd2 don't we all.

@jamiegarlock3797 5 лет назад

Movie person: *breaths* Cinema sins: that sin cannot be forgiven

@breederspinner3018 4 года назад

Person breathes in a movie cliche

@chefjrmz 2 года назад

The Reliant was looking for a barren planet to use the Genesis project on. However after Khan sets it off, it makes a planet on it own.

@daviniarobbins9298 2 года назад

And just happens to have a sun at the right distance. Amazing that.

@bencushwa8902 5 лет назад

See, I always thought the "wee bout of shore leave" was Scotty being ridiculously hung over. Thanks for ruining my childhood for me CinemaSins!

@cirrustate8674 5 лет назад

Could be either, could be both.

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

I love the STD reference! That's why he needed a doctor! Before, I just thought McCoy got crazy on shore leave.

@mikecronis 5 лет назад

This film stands firm in the top 10 movies of all time.

@johnspence8141 5 лет назад

6:04 yes hes SOMEWHAT lucky, but remember he intentionally told Regula 1 that Kirk gave the orders, knowing Marcus would contact Kirk directly and he would race out if he still had a spaceship...so goes to show the movie was well written.

@CoolPaDuke 4 года назад

"We're the only ship in the quadrant." If I'm not mistaken, even by the time period that Voyager is set in it requires decades to travel to other quadrants. Did every other ship in Starfleet suddenly get sucked into other quadrants through black holes? I want to see that movie!

@lisamurphy7028 Год назад

TOS 23rd century lingo reverses the terms 'quadrant' and 'sector'. There were 4 quad-rants in every sector of space. Bread and Circuses mentions this.

@AdamMGTF Год назад

Also.... It's star trek and there is NO continuity with this stuff. Not even a bit Just look up different galaxy barrier nonsense. It's not important to try and rationalise all the total failures of continuity. Instead accept they are part of star trek and enjoy it anyway.

@AdamMGTF Год назад

@@lisamurphy7028 so why does the enterprise leave the galaxy as a matter of course at the start of TOS. Yet starfleet still can't do this when discovery has to reach out to the 10C. You can try an rationalise this stuff. But the more you try the more silly it gets. It's much better to just accept that star trek doesn't have a consistent cannon and it doesn't really try. It's a product of entertainment and that it's entertaining is enough to allow us to enjoy it

@DW-indeed Год назад

If I remember rightly, the four quadrants meet relatively close to where all the stuff happens?

@DirkDjently 5 лет назад

1:29 not a revolver in sight... doesn’t Jeremy occasionally mention being most of a history major or something??

@marcwittkowski5146 5 лет назад

01:30 do you know what a revolver is? Those are flintlock pistols.

@buddahkris748 5 лет назад

Umm.. someone.. you know what.. you do you boo boo

@Allcanadian79 5 лет назад

he was scotts nephew

@rdmartin99 5 лет назад

It's pronounced George Ta-kay, not George Ta-kie. (Yes, I know I sound like Hermione.)

@omega311888 3 года назад

THANK YOU! glad someone else noticed that.

@grieverzer0416 5 лет назад

The "Kid" Scotty carried to the bridge was his nephew, thats why he was so upset, minus 1 sin for not watching the extended edition of the movie or doing a simple google search.

@BritishAdam 5 лет назад

I hope with the reupload of this, you'll finally "Bring on the Whales" and continue through the Trek films!

@ckhawk00 5 лет назад

Mister is a proper way to address naval officers regardless of sex. It can also be used on Marines which I did many times on officers that lost my respect.

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

This was before pronouns became a thing. Ugh. Just create a new one to replace he/she like zhe or ze and him/her like zher or zer and his/hers for zhers or zers pronounces like z in "azure".

@croycamaro 4 года назад

This movie is not only the best Star Trek movie of all time, it is one of the best sci-fi movies... imho 😉

@robhodge2238 Год назад

The Kahn doesn't think in 3D always bothered me. Enterprise drops down, then comes back up to curve in directly behind the Reliant vs flying "up" and shooting at it from underneath. Also, especially without weapons lock, Reliant is a much bigger target from top or bottom, so logically, that is the direction they should have attacked from.

@peterlohnes1 8 месяцев назад

Its definitely silly, but I think its a brilliant way to imply that experience is better than pure intelligence in a combat situation, and 3 dimensions is something the audience, especially kids, can grasp instead of something really technical. It's more of a metaphor for experience.

@andyscout 5 лет назад

Jeromy: "Is it that hard to find a lifeless rock in space [to use Genesis on]" Also Jeromy: "Apparently Genesis will convert any planet to life no matter how far from its star it is." Clearly they were looking for a lifeless planet that was in the habitable zone of a star with the right size and structure properties to sustain the life created by the Genesis device. Jeromy un-sins an earlier sin cliché.

@BedsitBob 4 года назад

"Is it that hard to find a lifeless rock in space [to use Genesis on]" It is, when there "can't be so much as microbe".

@mikeaudette2823 4 года назад

Dr. Marcus needed a lifeless planet so as not to violate ethical protocols. If the planet needed to be in the right habitable zone (as you suggest) then it wouldn't have worked on a trial basis in the lifeless underground of the small moon.

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

Genesis is beyond their tech level and shouldn't have been in the movie.

@James-bw7rk 2 года назад

@@sandal_thong8631 Faster than light travel is beyond our current technology- your point?

@TrumbullComic 5 лет назад

...How did you NOT sin the bloodstain on Kirk's uniform moving between scenes?

@HuntSmacker 5 лет назад

McCoy doesn't like taking the transporter. They were just being good friends by riding along with him.

@llynellyn 2 года назад

The reason they were able to fire a few phaser shots at the Reliant after it's shields dropped, despite having main and aux power offline, is because they still had the reserve (battery) power. This is established a few minutes earlier when Kirk asks Scotty what's left and Scotty tells him "just the batteries" and that they would only be good for a few phaser shots. Of course this is also after the first movie established phasers don't work with warp power offline so enterprise shouldn't have been able to get ANY shots off, especially as this movie instantly reiterated it by the damage to Reliant's warp drive disabling their phasers :P

@iannicol4537 Год назад

"Sauce for the Goose" is a metaphor that what seems like a mess can actually be used to enhance the dish. or in other words; using roasting run off of the cooked bird to making gravy.

@jabberwock95 Год назад

Actually the full phrase is "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander". It means the same thing will have the same effect on different people. In this case Spock means that the nebula blocking Enterprise's shields and scanners is a good thing because it will have the same effect on Reliant. "The odds will be evened".

@GregsGameRoom 5 лет назад

No. There is NOTHING wrong with this movie. It is absolutely PERFECT. Why else would everyone copy it?!

@zoppie 5 лет назад

Lack of imagination in Hollyweird?

@davincent98 5 лет назад

By "Everyone Else" you mean Stuart Baird and JJ Abrams, right?

@Heartwing13 5 лет назад

First Emperors New Groove, then Wrath of Khan? You’re pushing it!!

@paulmcauley3944 5 лет назад

"Um... what? What word?" Bird. Bird is the word.

@Caseytify 5 лет назад

It's a callback to an exchange between Scotty & Kirk in the first movie. The "word" is to get underway.

@JESL_TheOnlyOne 3 года назад

@@Caseytify The other fellow was referring to Larry Bird. You're probably not from Boston or too young. In either case, you missed seeing one of the very, very best of all time.

@handsomestik 5 лет назад

this self contained film trilogy starting from the second film to Voyage Home can actually compete with Star Wars OG trilogy

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

Two and three were just a spectacle: kill Spock, blow up the Enterprise. If these had been made-for-TV movies they could have come up with 6 more interesting episodes more similar to the original series.

@JoeR203 4 года назад

Kahn: "Chekov......I never forget a face." Funny since that was the first time he ever saw Chekov. lol

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

Uhura should have gotten that role.

@psmirage8584 3 года назад

The audio clip outtakes are always the best part. The Muppet Show theme playing as Enterprise turns lights on had me in stitches.

@greenmeat1270 5 лет назад

James Doohan, AKA Scotty, was actually a bomber pilot in WW2. He saw his fair share of kids dying for the powers that be.

@Caseytify 5 лет назад

Nope. He was infantry.

@greenmeat1270 5 лет назад

No, he was artillery, but he became a bomber pilot after he got wounded

@Ashurman666 5 лет назад

10:11 and thus an overused meme was born

@BedsitBob 4 года назад

8:10 They did the damage with a single phaser shot, from the batteries, as Scottie explained earlier, when he said he could give Kirk "a few shots", which, as Spock explained, would not be enough against Reliant's shields, hence the need to use the prefix code, to lower Reliant's shields.

@KillerOrangeCat 4 года назад

56 It was shown earlier that Spock, a captain, did not know what Genesis even was. So it can be assumed that the captain of Reliant didn't know either. Kirk was the only member of Starfleet on either ship that had access to Genesis information, so NO, Khan could not have gotten the Genesis information off the Reliant's computer. Chekov and the Captain had limited information about the project, which is how Khan knew about it. However, he wanted every piece of information and the only person on either ship that had that access was Kirk.

@robertmorris8997 4 года назад

James Horner, the composer, is one of the guys "walking with purpose". 11:20 , guy in the middle of the screen facing the camera is Horner!

@sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

The music in _Krull_ sounds a lot like this movie's. Add a sin to that movie.

@smithwesson1896 5 лет назад

1:27 *puts on nerd glasses* Those are flintlock muzzleloaders, not revolvers

@doomofthedestiny8065 4 года назад

On rewatch, my first thought was on how it can't be that hard to find a lifeless planet too, until I thought about the fact they're looking for a lifeless m class (or possibly a couple one off types) habitable planet, presumably within charted space, of several space faring species, and is being hard nosed about not wanting to relocate anyone...

@AdamMGTF Год назад

If you want to try an apply cannon (which is so variable that it's hard to apply ever).... M class planets are defined as supporting life. They have to have a O2/argon atmosphere with plant life and water. By definition not lifeless. We can put this down to script writers being people who write scripts

@dottyjyoung Год назад

Loren Carpenter, a long-time Pixar animator, did those graphics too.

@ladymopar2024 4 года назад

When Montalban passed away everyone was quoting his words in this movie shows you what kind of actor he was in this movie the best villain ever and the best Star Trek movie ever thank you The photon torpedo shot? Nobody's actually seeing a photon torpedo until this movie sorry got to catch up Jeremy

@James66344 5 лет назад

Damnit. This is a reupload, meaning that you're not going through the other Star Trek movies.

@NANAbingbangboom 5 лет назад

1 sin first making me think I didn't watch this before, we'll done sir well done!

@Platanov 5 лет назад

Oh man Khan don't put that ding dang worm in my dang old ear ! It's gonna wiggle all in my noggin and hella kill me !

@MilsurpMikeChannel 5 лет назад

1:29 Looks like Flintlock dueling pistols, NOT revolvers. Ding!

@jaspr1999 5 лет назад

The rat is the same one from Mission Impossible on its way to Scott Langs' van in Endgame... Can't you tell by the whiskers?!

@alexwinterclap2 5 лет назад

There is literally not one single thing wrong with the wrath of Kahn

@TheReZisTLust 5 лет назад

Wrath*

@alexwinterclap2 5 лет назад

Hell hath no Wrath*

@ladymopar2024 4 года назад

The best of all the movies in my opinion

@princeofcupspoc9073 2 года назад

Congratulations on the first misuse of "literally" in the comments.

@alexwinterclap2 2 года назад

@@princeofcupspoc9073 clearly you literally haven’t seen my other posts then. Like, literally…

@itrthho 5 лет назад

Khan is not an asshole he is a worthy opponent to any Starfleet Commander.

@StacieMMeier 5 лет назад

He controlled much of Earth for a while. Reason Kirk met him in Space, the first time because he'd escaped the war Nations fought against him.

@candiedskull9841 4 года назад

I remember reading somewhere that the writers of Star Trek were told to not so much worry about the science of things, and instead just focus on the writing, which at least explains many of the inconsistencies in the science, albeit not so much in the plot logic.