The book doesn't translate very well sadly - the movie rushed a lot of the story and that is part of the problem, but the main thing is how much the story is about Snow's inner thoughts. Like how much he hates the districts, and keeps thinking of Lucy Grey as not from the districts, and just how sorry he is for himself the whole time. It's quite chilling to read him think his classmate lucky to get paired with someone he knew as a mentor, the lack of empathy grows throughout and his "good" actions are all just self serving. He has that high kill rate, but he thinks he's the victim in all of it, a perfect set up of his character in the original trilogy!
They couldn't have at least given him a journal to record his thoughts in, then an over the shoulder view of him writing so we can still see his thoughts
Although I do think he's a little bit of a victim. His high kill is also responsible for Dinklage's character being petty and putting it out on his son. I do like seeing how he became the way he is but I wished they did a better job at him hating the other districts and those around him.
every "whys he call her lucy gray" sin is null and void bc there is a scene where she explicitly requests to be called her full and proper first name, which is lucy gray
@@jonathonpanzera6082 literally her accent is such a stereotypical Appalachian accent and district 12 is IN APPALACHIA WHY IS EVERYONE SHOCKED BY THE ACCENT
Or the guy from Top secret! similarities are overwhelming, he turned evil because of a girl, looks the same, only difference Zucker brothers know how to write.
Would have been better as a series, so much of the story is introspective. Snow was never ‘good’, he just became worse because when conflicted he always chose self-preservation.
this is why I'm so mad they took out the explanation of the naming scheme in the covey.... ALL of them have two first names and it's a really important thing to their culture. their first name is from a ballad and their second name is a color. in lucy gray's case, there was an actual ballad about a girl named lucy gray, so they hit two birds with one stone with her name. it's very important to her that she's lucy gray, not just lucy. even rachel zegler has spoken on this, I wish they explained it in the movie like they did in the book.
Also the song she got her name from being about a girl who disappeared and Lucy Grey ends up doing the same. I finally finished the book and there was so much that was left out that was important to the story.
The director got burned by splitting the third book into 2 movies, following Harry Potter and refused to split this book that is obviously 2 separate but related stories into 2 movies. Consequently, the first half was missing some of Snow's most important character developement snd the second half was just missing most of that story. They cut everything but the callbacks, which made them feel unnecessary. In the book, the only one of the callbacks that felt shoehorned in was the katnis.
Honestly, filmmakers would do better to bring this back. Look at Dune. Look at Wicked. It WORKS. Split the ice in halrf, break the frozen heart, and make two part films a thing again.
14:48 Upon enlisting in the peacekeepers, you have to serve a mandatory 20 years before you can leave. People in the capitol often do it to avoid debt and the ones in the districts do it for a better life or for the “honour” of fighting for Panem
17:18 CINEMA SINS SIN: They did show a map during the Hunger Games portion of the movie, "Lucky" Flickerman was doing a weather broadcast when it was slow and showed a map that has Panem as basically all of North America
That map only includes the boundaries of America. Not Canada, so its not all of north America. And he said a map that shows what is outside of panel. So he's right. But also that can be easily explained for propaganda reasons. I imagine they don't want anyone to know what's beyond panem
my family is from Mississippi (rural and completely grew up on a farm) and this is the first time I’m hearing of this only being common in the south, so people don’t seem to understand it because they probably don’t even know ffs
He didn’t catch the joke in the line “to the children watching” too! Flickerman was referring to the girl vomiting as “disgusting and violent” not the killing. Showing how desensitized everyone is to the hunger games.
I think that a lot of these would not be sins to people who have read the books, but for some reason they insisted on not splitting this book into two movies and as a result anyone who watched without reading was left in the dark on a lot of very important information
I just finished reading tonight and then starting watching it. Couldn't make it twenty minutes in. It all just feels off, like crumbs of something that could've been much better.
There better be a joke about snow looking like 2000's Eminem. I watched this and actually said "Will the real Slim Shady please stand up" when I saw his shaved head!
The “I didn’t kill them all for nothing.” Wasn’t selfishness. She was forced to do horrible things and in the end it did not pay off. A lot of these are not sins. Those that are sins are hilarious.
Fun fact: Suzanne Collins gets a good portion of her names from Roman stories and Shakespeare plays. Coriolanus Snow gets his name from the Shakespeare play Coriolanus, or the Roman general Gaius Marcius Coriolanus. Vipsania Sickle gets her name from Vipsania Agrippina, a member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, and in the other movies, President Snows grand daughter is named Agrippina
Good observation! There's a lot of that in the original trilogy too, like Cato, Cinna, Plutarch, Claudius, Portia, Octavia, Flavius, Caesar (duh😂), Brutus, Enobaria, etc.
In the book, the Covey wasn't originally from District 12. They were nomadic until after the war when the capital outlawed travel between the districts.
That is NOT the case. Snow considers the fact that she may have to sell herself to get him a shirt from the Black Market - but she returns with his father’s old shirt and explains in detail how she repaired it, from putting it in with her boss’s bleached curtains, to sewing tesserae on as buttons. She didn’t turn to sex work - although she implies later on in the book that she WOULD if it kept Coriolanus safe
He jokingly said that this is a musical but why wasn't it? The books had a ton of internal monologues that a movie can't translate but a musical could. (And their singing the whole time anyway)
I know this is cinema sins, but moments sinned here like Gal's monologue to Snow and the covering of the tributes seemed incorrectly interpreted. Like you weren't actually paying attention to the movie. Gal's speech to Snow about "Leaving a boy with a club..." Wasn't scolding him. It was to make a point about how desperate measures can turn even the most "proper" of people into savage beasts. And the covering of the tributes wasn't about how well you know/care about the tributes, themselves. It was about the guy basically calling out the fault of the capitol while simultaneously giving dignity to the victims, something that would've been seen as defiance to a society which runs on pride. I love cinema sins, and maybe I'm just nit picking, but that particular commentary seemed like it didnt actually understand the point of the movie.
they do this a lot. in fact, they SKIP over points in movies that EXPLAIN things and call it a “sin” bc i guess writer wasnt paying attention or didn’t read the book.
It’s not really about her being the best singer ever. The circumstances are dire. No other contestant sang for the whole nation to see. Lucy gray stood out. Anyone watching would remember her for singing. And singing also seemed to calm her in times of stress. Some of these sins are kinda lazy. I been a fan for years tho. I respect the consistency and dedication y’all put into the craft.
Lucy Grey is her first and and she explains that in the film, it’s expanded more in the book but she does specifically correct people who call her just Lucy.
Agreed! It's not like she was just randomly singing it. She wrote it based on the couple at the hanging tree, which was the first people Coryo ever saw being hanged. And then he became directly involved in their story by stopping Sejanus from helping them. That song has some pretty deep roots (tree pun not intended) for Snow that are really fascinating to consider, given that Katniss sings that song in her propo in Mockingjay. Bet that one hit him pretty hard.
Lucy Gray in the movie and in the book: call my by my full name, Lucy Gray, it's an important part of my culture everyone: whY aRE tHEy cAllInG hEr "LUcY GraY" AlL thE TIme???!!?!?!?!?
@@arania2621yeah it’s also common in the south, calling someone by their full name is a sign of respect/closeness. She even calls Snow by his name all the time
Also the reason that girl was crying and yelling about having killed them for nothing was because she did what she had to to survive and only did it in order to survive and realizes it meant nothing and she dies a killer
in the books she makes a big deal about how her name is "Lucy Grey" and makes sure everyone, especially Coriolanus, calls her by her full given name. One sin off
"In the books she makes a big deal about how her name is "Lucy Grey" and makes sure everyone, especially Coriolanus, calls her by her full given name." Cool motive, still silly aloud *ding*
@@gentblueI don't remember if they explain it in the movie but in the book they explain that people in the Covey always have two names. The first one is a ballad and the second one is a color. Which is why they all have names like that (Maude Ivory or Billy Taupe)
a missed sin is that the film opens with young snow and tigris running through the streets looking for food and they just find some on the ground??? the first line of the film is "there's some food over here" and then the next thing they see is a man resorting to cannibalism because there's no food and he's starving... yet there is also food randomly on the ground for these children to find and pocket for later???
Sing a movie with singing is advertising for an actor who's able to sing's singing career, is like saying a movie where an actor acts is advertising further acting career. It is all performance you uncultured yogurt, ever heard of a triple threat?
Well you clearly didn’t read the book. She sings a lot throughout the movie, that’s defining of her character. She was in the West Side Story 2021 remake in and sings in that too
Damn usually I'm so into Cinema Sins but they way they very much do not understand the book (or Appalachian culture: see double-barrel names) makes this one a hard watch lol. Ballad is in the title lol of course she sings?
Forgot to mention during the initial bloodbath scene. Panlo (the male tribute from district nine) fell to his knees after tanner attacks him and then two seconds later when lucy gray collides in to him... tanner attacks him the same exact way resulting in panlo falling to his knees in the exact same way.
I noticed that too when watching this while taking a Roman history class, names like Sejanus (a confidant of Roman emperor Tiberius, and who was also executed for treason, defo a connection there) are pulled directly from Ancient Rome
If you're going to use Firefly clips in the outtakes, your arsenal really need Mal's line to Jayne from "Our Mrs. Reynolds" - "Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."
They aren’t forced call backs btw, Swamp potato/Katniss was in the original book trilogy which were written before the Ballad of S&S. The hanging tree was an old song passed through the generations of district 12 and was introduced in the original trilogy too.
Oh yeah, and if this is the 10th annual games, and he's 17-18, that would have made him 93 by Catching Fire, so either they really effed up the timeline or he's super spry by then.
Why would the movie based on the book answer your questions? That’s a sin. Movies based on books are notorious for lacking depth and detail from the books. Usually people do the opposite which is what i did for the first hunger games movies because they also lacked a lot of details.
8:13 literally ignoring the whole theme of "the people in the capital live in such luxury they forget what being human is like" to make a lame non-joke of a sin.
@@sorin_markov by which you mean you have no idea on anything other than the very basics of the story because the film missed out and didn’t explain sooooo much of the book
Greek mythology has many stories about young people being sacrificed for one reason or another, but yes, the closest would be the yearly sacrifice to the Minotaur.
The one thing this movie proved to me is that Francis Lawrence as a director is the one of the better ones out there with regards to how they creates atmosphere. The Hunger Games movies have done very well with that kind of thing and I even love how much better he did it with a film like I am Legend. This is why I am very happy he's the one directing the BioShock film for Netflix if that ever gets made. With the writer of Blade Runner 2049 and Logan might I add.
@@dominicharvey6048 I mean it's a different time period of The Hunger Games. It follows different characters and different places. It's all about scheming even if the actual hunger games themselves are not a big presence.
Not to shit on your excitement, but Green also wrote Jungle Cruise and Green Lantern, so.... (I also hope Bioshock is great. Better source material anyway!)
@@Unknown_Pie of those films though that you named were they meddled with by the studio? I've heard things about both with regards to that. He also did Blue Eye Samurai for Netflix recently and that was a banger.
12:33 those aren’t guards those are probably scientist or assistants (sin 1) and snow literally had to rip out his stitches to get into the facility meaning it’s most likely already guarded (sin 2) and also what would the guards be guarding? Are venomous snakes valuable in the Capitol? (Sin 3). And yeah snow snuck in and cheated which could be a reason to guard the tank, but no other student knew about the snakes, and would they really need to guard the tank because one student might know about them and might cheat?
he was complaining about so many easter eggs, but this movie is a prequel! that's the whole point of it, to tie this movie to the original three. And most of these sins aren't even worth sinning, it's just the cinemasins guy using his own taste and preferences.
Absolutely wild that he sinned a lady crying for hearing a girl doomed to be killed singing a song about her lost love. Basic decency and empathy is cringe as hell
Honestly, since this a standalone book in the series (meaning it doesn't have sequels to continue it), this movie should have been split into two parts, at least. SOOO many important things/characters were either cut out or minimized. I loved the adaptations of the original trilogy, but this one definitely had some baffling choices.
Also: I know this is a prequel book (I finished this book two days ago at the time of typing this, and watched the movie last night), so there's a lot that I recalled from the book that just isn't in the movie. I've reread/rewatched The Hunger Games recently as well, and they still hold up. I was kinda disappointed with how this one was adapted.
'To show the world america can take Koushun Takami's book and make an inferior copy?' I think that's the loudest and most involuntary laugh I've laughed to one of these videos in a while
00:48 is stupid. He's obviously worried about not having a shirt to wear. She risks a lot just to get him one 08:00 she states earlier in the film she wants to be adressed as Lucy Gray, not Lucy 11:30 complains about the runtime, then complains about not seeing enough of the tributes. Make it make sense 12:30 not guards. Obviously scientists 17:36 he has a strict schedule. They get out on the weekends. Is this not obvious as well? The college girlfriend comment was misogynistic
the story shouldn’t be so incoherent that you’d have to had read the book to make sense of the movie, it should not be a requirement to understand why things happen the way they happen.
I'm mad there were no sins off for the "Nothing you can take from me" song But I gotta say, the book was entirely better. There was so much material to cover that unless this movie was like 8 hours, that was not possible.