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Everything Wrong With The Inquiry Class 

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Today i delve into the Disgraced (Elder) brother of the beloved avenger class... The Inquiry Class, introduced infamously in the finale of picard season 1. while i was initially willing to give this often maligned ship the benefit of the doubt. closer inspection revealed even more behind its ugly duckling facade. so lets delve into Everything Wrong With the Inquiry class.

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@Relav1364
@Relav1364 Год назад
Imagine sitting in your car, about to enjoy a lovely new ship chat about your 2nd favourite STO ship... And finding out you triggered the FUG out of Venom to the point that the loud pings are setting off my google assistant prompts on Bluetooth... To say nothing of the little shit in the blue bmw behind me so triggered by the pings that he tries to cut me off 5 times before flipping the bird. At least the long day at work had a lively drive home. My thanks ❤️ Ps: Avenger-Chan be cute AF. Do her justice.
@bigbrain4117
@bigbrain4117 Год назад
Im just waiting for the day I trigger Venom over my constant rambling and gushing over the Vo'Devwl to the point he makes a video specifically to bash it
@Neilhammond64
@Neilhammond64 Год назад
Younger me: X starship class is so badass. Why didn't they mass produce it during the dominion war? Older me seeing a whole fleet of the same ship: Ohhhhhhhhhhh.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
Having like 200 ships of the same class is actually realistic given the amount of space the Federation needs to cover, just not having all of them there at the same time.
@direnightfury2038
@direnightfury2038 Год назад
When I saw this ship first appear in Picard, I thought the Inquiry was some kind of Defiant/Nova hybrid design, being a fast rapid response patrol ship that could work as some kind of scouting vessel for Federation fleets, then be used in attack wings when in combat along side some Defiants. That being the reason why Starfleet was able to get a seemingly get an infinite number of them to this out of the way planet so quickly. Scaling it down to about the size of a Nova would probably being the best thing for it because like you said, it being the size of a Galaxy is waaaaay to oversized.
@SuperGamefreak18
@SuperGamefreak18 Год назад
oh no you're correct it being a defiant/nova would make since for alot of those scaling issues
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
Yeah and would make the ridiculous numbers a little more forgivable
@julius-stark
@julius-stark Год назад
Totally agree, I thought they were derivative of a Nova Class and around the same size, or maybe closer to Voyager size at most. But then again **we've** actually watched Star Trek, not sure about the people who made that scene of Picard.
@SuperGamefreak18
@SuperGamefreak18 Год назад
@@julius-stark the people behind most of nutrek barely did at best and only started when they realized the amount of people they were getting to watch the show was small, and how most of the people that would get paramount plus for anything but trek was likely less than half of that
@RealTCGM
@RealTCGM Год назад
My headcanon is that there were only three ships on the Starfleet side of that battle, because that's all that Riker could get on such short notice, and he decided to bluff the romulans by using their experimental hardlight emission systems to project a fleet that, while not necessarily "real", could still dish out damage the way we see in STO. That's why there's only three variations of the ship at the battle and everything else is a copypasta; because they LITERALLY are. Hell, maybe those "windows" around the rim are the holoemitters.
@JoacinoDaGona
@JoacinoDaGona Год назад
The Inquiry is one giant metaphor for Kurtzman Trek. It desperately apes the originals, but ends up as a dark and violent mess that falls short on every metric.
@axelhopfinger533
@axelhopfinger533 8 месяцев назад
Well said! It showcases a blatant lack of both understanding of practical starship design and grasp of Starfleet aesthetics. Or care for any of that, for that matter. Clearly a rushed design intended for little more than a placeholder.
@Ink_Tide
@Ink_Tide Год назад
The skill of the STO team in designing good Trek ships cannot be overstated. Calling them the gold standard is funny... but absolutely correct. There are some serious misses, of course (the dyson-sphere-themed collection comes to mind), but half of those misses are misses made by the shows that are being faithfully reproduced ingame. Personally the Avenger has been one of my favorite Star Trek ships since it released - those bulky nacelle pylons, that Odyssey-esque negative space (the fact they managed to make the negative space somehow not make the ship feel any less robust impresses me to this day), the little armor cover on the nacelles that deploys when entering combat, the robust deflector assembly, etc. She's an excellent blending of "adorable" and "can and will beat you to a pulp". Or, less anthropomorphically, an excellent blending of Starfleet's traditionally graceful saucer/hull/nacelle arrangement with its hyper-compact combat-focused designs like the Defiant. My only gripe is the prominence of the weapons pylons, as I'd have preferred them to be more recessed (the recesses are already there, too) to be more in line with the rest of the ship's fairly unique (IMO) styling, but I think that's a minor gripe. I don't know if there's any chance of a facelift of the Avenger akin to some other premium STO ships, but I hope there will be at some point because she's showing her polygons a bit and she deserves to be retouched with STO's modern brush. I don't remember the lore of the release that well, but she always seemed like the kind of ship that was designed to combat the Borg by shrugging off cutting beams to the face and/or standing a nonzero chance upon last-ditch ramming into a Borg cube of making it all the way out the other side. A ship that's tough, little, and proud of both.
@scottgardener
@scottgardener Год назад
After losing so many ships at Utopia Planitia, Starfleet was in a big rush to fill the vacancy, with only a few weeks before the script draft change called for a full battle fleet to be ready. Commodore LaForge did pose a rather cryptic question of why the new designs were so huge, with such enormous material requirements, but none could truly understand or fully appreciate his intellect, and thus the question remained unanswered.
@assemblyrequired7342
@assemblyrequired7342 Год назад
I think that the worst part of the about the Inquiry class is that you can tell that it was rushed for that season finale of Picard. Look at the concept art that it was based on, and it is clearly fleshed out, and the details look organic and manufactured. And she looks fantastic! Then we have the "final" product, and there are just so many curves, angles and parts that don't look like they belong. You can tell that John Eaves was given no time to refine the design to a larger size!
@SuperGamefreak18
@SuperGamefreak18 Год назад
yup John Eaves is a legendary designer when a ship he makes looks horrible on screen you know something went wrong behind the scenes
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
Yeah I didn't realise its size until I saw those smaller windows
@justice9539
@justice9539 Год назад
I got the Eaglemoss Inquiry model (admittedly I kind of like the design) and in the info Magazine that comes along with it has an interview where Eaves mentions how he initially sent them some designs for a ship that never ended up being used in the actual show. About 3 weeks before it aired they asked him to send one of the designs again, the one that would eventually become the inquiry class. I think that p much confirms it lol.
@SuperGamefreak18
@SuperGamefreak18 Год назад
@@venomgeekmedia9886 i actually heard about that story
@RationalGamers
@RationalGamers Год назад
My headcanon is that Riker was bluffing the entire thing and only had a few of this new experimental ship. Possibly it was a tactical holoship or had other holographic capabilities and not only projected duplicates of its self to seem like they had a massive fleet of the things but projected the ship much larger than it really is. Really its just a 250 metre starship with minimal weapons but a massively powerful experimental holographic array. Could be what that weird looking deflector dish is with the white things around the saucer being projectors.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
Yeah that would be a great retcon
@THESCIFIKING4551
@THESCIFIKING4551 Год назад
yeah that dose make sense we said something similar on my channel though comments
@BoisegangGaming
@BoisegangGaming 8 месяцев назад
The Tactical use of holo-technology is a seriously untapped resource for star trek. Like, we know the holodeck can make literal guns that shoot bullets, but the idea of using holographic armor or even something akin to holographic weapons that can be repositioned or reprogrammed according to needs is extremely interesting to me.
@DarinRWagner
@DarinRWagner Год назад
Ha! I actually get the parody you're going for here. And, yes, I am not crazy about the Inquiry class.
@sharlin648
@sharlin648 Год назад
Basically the Inquiery class suffers from the same issue as the Xyston class from Episode 9 of Star Wars. Where they got the ISD-1 model from Rogue One and just scaled it up. But this left it with HUGE windows and it just looked weird. Same here, the Inquiry would be better off as a 200 meter like craft at most.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
Man I almost forgot about that star destroyer...
@BeyondtheRailz
@BeyondtheRailz Год назад
Ah yes, the Copy And Paste Class idiot ship. Nice going Picard
@GoodOldGamer
@GoodOldGamer Год назад
I always figured it was a Voyager-esque sized ship.
@bluesteel1199
@bluesteel1199 Год назад
Me too, I mean, look at the styling, it should intrepid size.
@entropy11
@entropy11 Год назад
Hoping that STO gets the Inquiry Refit, because the changes are a decent improvement.
@axelhopfinger533
@axelhopfinger533 8 месяцев назад
It has now with the legendary Avenger in the legendary battlecruiser bundle. But the Avenger is still the better and prettier design for a battlecruiser.
@entropy11
@entropy11 8 месяцев назад
@@axelhopfinger533 I'm so happy. Avenger is great but Inquiry Refit fixes everything that was wrong before.
@axelhopfinger533
@axelhopfinger533 8 месяцев назад
@@entropy11 Well, the bundle isn't that cheap, but it gives you a hella skins and options. Plusquite a few very powerful and fun universal consoles. Also the traits on the two ships are extremely powerful and account unlocks. Not to mention the legendary Avenger itself being one hella powerful and tough ship. Basically a dreadnought with the firepower of a cruiser and the maneuverability of an escort. Legendary Bortasqu is a good ship as well. I'd recommend the investment.
@lynngreen7978
@lynngreen7978 Год назад
It is clearly intended to be a Voyager/Intrepid type and scaled to that size.
@occultatumquaestio5226
@occultatumquaestio5226 Год назад
Wow, I did not realize how hideous the Inquiry class's defector looks from the front view. As for the rest of the Inquiry class's design, I find myself mostly okay with it. The main problem as you said is the scale. For its era the ship is way too big in general let alone to be mass produced like a Miranda class. I'll be curious to see the eventually ship chat for the Avenger class (which in retrospect has become an increasingly fitting name given the design of the Inquiry class).
@Mr_Sovik
@Mr_Sovik Год назад
The deflector particularly is reminiscent of a Baleen whale.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
I hope you won't be disappointed
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 Год назад
I have a soft spot for the design but the Avenger/ Arbiter class is better.
@_Reverse_Flash
@_Reverse_Flash Год назад
The people who wrote Picard season one and two clearly did not understand Star Trek. The cut and paste fleet was just one example of this. Even the actors kind of forgot how to play their characters. At least they remembered what Star Trek is for Picard season 3 and did a pretty good job.
@Sol-mr1lv
@Sol-mr1lv Год назад
I always imagined them to be roughly the same size as the Intrepid class
@s_1884
@s_1884 Год назад
Man, I do like the original Eaves design. It was a good looking 'recent' ship design and I had it pegged at Intrepid/Constitution size. Then Picard and this.
@entropy11
@entropy11 Год назад
Would love to see you go over the Hestia, since it just got revamped. I'll happily bring the USS Amirani around for a photoshoot.
@cliffwahl7769
@cliffwahl7769 Год назад
Here’s what I think is better about the inquiry design: Based on the image 3:37 into your post, the two middle ships have thin necks connecting the drive section or secondary hull to the saucer section or primary hull. That thin exposed neck is a design weakness. The top ship, a Sovereign class, has a thicker more sturdy neck to absorb more damage. The bottom ship appears to have further strengthened this area.
@cliffwahl7769
@cliffwahl7769 Год назад
Yea, I’m a trek nerd, lol.
@johnrhoades4843
@johnrhoades4843 Год назад
Hello first as far as my phone shows
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 Год назад
There were 4 views, 0 comments, and 2 likes when I saw this comment, lol.
@johnrhoades4843
@johnrhoades4843 Год назад
Yeah I would think I was the 2nd and the 4th view cuz I backed out so reset and post my comment
@balrighty3523
@balrighty3523 Год назад
This video was the first indication I ever had that the U.S.S. Naruto Clone-Jutsu was supposed to be the size of a Galaxy-class. Based on the "windows" around the saucer and the size of the impulse engines and the aft (only? I thought at the time) shuttlebay, I was originally pegging this as almost the size of Voyager.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
Holographic decoys... you know what... that's a great retcon of that scene.
@robos3809
@robos3809 Год назад
​@@venomgeekmedia9886that actually somewhat helps it, then say that its the toughest ship because its fucking massive and can make sensor ghosts and do a massive picard manuver- *drones on making the class better than it is*
@beyondu77
@beyondu77 Год назад
I had no idea the ship was supposed to be that large. It is rather odd. I do love the Avenger Class in Star Trek Online.
@tullyDT
@tullyDT Год назад
I got goosebumps when you did the cinema sins intro 😂
@JaredLS10
@JaredLS10 Год назад
Even had the sin counter, brilliant.
@luedog8385
@luedog8385 Год назад
🤣🤣🤣 after listening for 15 minute of burtal ranting i nealry died laughing when i heard this 15:37
@OllamhDrab
@OllamhDrab Год назад
These are the voyages of the Starship Retcon. :) (Also, really, if they can do a copy-paste fleet, why not a 'find and replace ' task force of those 'little' Avengers? )
@1701green
@1701green Год назад
I think a reason it looks so clunky at least in the canon is that it was an emergency build after the Mars attack. This would be reasonable for mass produce a fleet that will make up for their losses. I also think that it wasn't that big somewhere between 300-400 meters like you suggested. This would make a more versatile fleet, small enough not to be a hindrance for production and big enough to hold it own.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
Yeah if you ignore the shuttlebay 300m does work.
@pyronuke4768
@pyronuke4768 Год назад
I was having such a nice day, then you had to go and put the Cinemasins format into this. God I hate that channel with a passion.
@rmcdudmk212
@rmcdudmk212 Год назад
The ship has some cool design elements but the fact that they don't seem to mesh well makes it ugly overall.
@davidbricejr.7340
@davidbricejr.7340 Год назад
venom sins
@Peaceforall20111
@Peaceforall20111 Год назад
This video made my day, one of your best. I love when you break down soecific ships in this way; very intriguing and informative I love it
@ilpoomatili9549
@ilpoomatili9549 Год назад
You just could not resist doing that intro, could you? I couldn't either
@traviswebb5094
@traviswebb5094 Год назад
Reminds me of the Vengeance.
@matthewdoyle3628
@matthewdoyle3628 Год назад
If they have used STO's Avenger Class at the end of Picard for that assembled fleet would Riker have broadcast a fleet wide message saying Avengers Assemble? Bad joke I'll show myself out.
@richardtrue2758
@richardtrue2758 Год назад
Whats wrong Venom you don't like the new Romulan hang gliders? LOL I just think it's made by people who have no real interest in Star Trek outside the fact its a job and it does show in the show...
@anyonecanart3394
@anyonecanart3394 Год назад
Yeah the people making new Star Trek don't give a s*** about anything about it why would they care about dimension sizes of ships and they can't even be consistent with the story and Cannon let alone ship sizes and designs LOL
@jamesabernethy7896
@jamesabernethy7896 Год назад
I've always enjoyed your videos, especially your recent collaborations with Drachinifel. This short video was a lot of fun with the format. I don't play STO so don't have the other info. My guess on the Inquiry would have been about the 400 meter mark, pure instinct, not paying attention to anything around it that would suggest scale. It's an okay ship design, not bad but not fantastic either. My issue was the lore around it, It feels way overpowered for it's backstory. I would have no issue with it being a very cost efficient design to explain it's high numbers... but they way it's spoken about makes it sound like the best ship Starfleet have every produced as well as being cheap to produce. It's lazy writing to explained their numbers. It's a great point about design language, you can quickly gauge the era or lineage of a vessel compared to the ones around it, when something new comes along it will be distinct. The best example is the appearance of the Excelsior, it made the Constitution look instantly dated.
@kevinmurphy65
@kevinmurphy65 Год назад
...but it does have a decent console...but I dont have an Inquiry but I do have the Fleet Avenger T6-X.
@711desmond
@711desmond Год назад
Also they don’t even have markings, like the numbers or names, like yeah you can’t do it for a fleet of that size but that just adds to the problem of the CaP fleet
@icaruscarinae
@icaruscarinae Год назад
Is it official they are this big? At the end of Picard S3, where most of the inquiry class ships seem to have disappeared from the fleet. The few you see are in the middle size of the fleet?
@darwinxavier3516
@darwinxavier3516 Год назад
Aesthetically the Inquiry is very boring and ugly. It looks too flat, especially on the top of the saucer. The nacelle pylons have the problem where they look like they can't decide which direction they're aligned, much like the Franklin from ST Beyond. I hate the Laforge visor deflector dish. It's too sleek in some parts while being too chunky in others. The stardrive section looks like its misaligned with the saucer like the body of an alligator limply floating at an angle below the head. Then again, every ship in STP S1 was unimpressive or hideous.
@troyspencer753
@troyspencer753 Год назад
Could those big "windows" on the main hull / front section of the ship be shield projectors. And could the large deflector dish (perhaps part of it) possibly be the projector for the slip stream drive? What do you think?
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
The slipstream deflector does make some sense. That tech existed as early as the 22nd century.
@marksouthwell4490
@marksouthwell4490 Год назад
Apparently the deflector is used as a weapon too - some kind of powerful beam
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
@Fatherofheroesandheroines Год назад
This comes from lazy designers. AKA..millenials.
@Purdue1986Boiler
@Purdue1986Boiler Год назад
Okay Boomer. Something something bootstraps
@trekwars5400
@trekwars5400 Год назад
That is so funny i'm glad you had the same idea I did the ship doesn't make any sense. Looks like what's a random things thrown together
@simonbeech6073
@simonbeech6073 Год назад
It never had phaser strips on screen. They got added (finished) for STO
@TimothyChapman
@TimothyChapman Год назад
You need to host a competition to design the worst Star Trek ship possible!
@711desmond
@711desmond Год назад
4:12 maybe they’re airlocks? Or small shuttle bays?
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 Год назад
His name isn't JJ, his name is Jar Jar! As for his habit of up sizing things... The Xyston-class is the best example of it, lol.
@pauldavis7743
@pauldavis7743 День назад
The CGI people do not communicate well with the designers, the Oberth class is a major goof - CGI size vs official schematics does not match. Doh! Then the geeks have places like this 🖖
@andrwblood9162
@andrwblood9162 Год назад
Everytime I here an official scaling on a Star Trek (an often other IPs) seen on screen, I'm like... really? They're almost always over sized. And small need love too.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
Yeah the titan A is guilty of that.
@charliehart4884
@charliehart4884 Год назад
Cracked me up! love it
@ZionSowles-kv7oz
@ZionSowles-kv7oz 5 дней назад
There's a lot of problems with the design But I think the worst for me is The pylons And the deflector dish grill thing
@ghostofdre
@ghostofdre Год назад
The ctrl+C, ctrl+V fleet.
@farshnuke
@farshnuke 8 месяцев назад
I mean Blakes 7 used props made in the same way the kids tv show Blue Peter told people to make replicas of the props from Blakes 7 and kitbashing literally comes from the practise of buying off the shelf mods of the show and using them for the show so blaming Picard for doing the same with cg models from STO feels harsh. There are certainly problems with Picard that are part of why I'm sticking to book continuity but prop reusage is not one of them.
@thobu6576
@thobu6576 Месяц назад
I actually like how bulky and clunky the design is. At least it's something different.
@Jacob6853
@Jacob6853 4 месяца назад
The Avenger from STO actually LOOKS like a StarFleet ship while the Inquiry looks like a copy paste from folks (secret hideout production) who do not know or like Trek
@jasongalley604
@jasongalley604 3 месяца назад
it's "bad" like this because it was a very very VERY rushed design. They didn't have a lot of time to make it. Given the "normal" amount of time (or at least adequate time) to make it I'm sure it'd be much better in all aspects you're bitching about.
@Josh-iv2bw
@Josh-iv2bw 5 месяцев назад
To be honest, the Inquiry and its similar ships all look like they're meant to fuck shit up. Like they are 100% warship. I also don't see having many of the same ship being on screen at once in a cohesive fleet as bad. All those ships will have the same performance and characteristics, allowing admirals and other commanders to have an easier time figuring out what can do what and how well. Sure they may not be paired with high power scanning ships here, but they don't have to be for what they're there for. I was hoping to have less of an STO look with Picard and more Inquiry's actually, and I'm rather bummed that they back peddled to having a hodge podge fleet.
@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO
@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO Год назад
That's more of a 300m ship...
@marcushall6821
@marcushall6821 Год назад
The Inquiry class is a whole lot of messed up good stuff. You want to love it but it's just a lot of stuff that doesn't really mesh well. It reminds me of our US Navy's LCS ships. They had a lot planned for it. Ordered 30+ built 4-5 of them and said welp we messed up let's retire most of them.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
What the littoral combat ship?
@marcushall6821
@marcushall6821 Год назад
@@venomgeekmedia9886 a ship that doesn't quite fit what it's supposed to be. From what you can gather from the Navy sources and people who cover that stuff it was supposed to be a fleet support ship a jack of all trades but it doesn't do any of that stuff really well. What was supposed to be a naval blue water ship turns out to be really nothing but a coast guard patrol vessel. An overly expensive one at that.
@merafirewing6591
@merafirewing6591 Год назад
​@@marcushall6821 so a glorified pimped out high endurance cutter?
@marcushall6821
@marcushall6821 Год назад
@@merafirewing6591 that is one way to put it 😂
@leondillon8723
@leondillon8723 11 месяцев назад
3:38)630 meters makes it 2,066.925 feet. A dreadnaught like the USS Enterprise-D(NCC1701-D) Class. 3 or more times Captain Picard said that the D was the FIRST of the kind. 4:02)Since the retirement of the USS Constellation (NCC 1017) Class, there are too many PORTHOLES. A weak point. Aiming spots. They never darken ship when at General Quarters.
@krim7
@krim7 5 месяцев назад
Setting the dumb copy pasta armada aside, I actually really like this ship. It looks weird & different from your standard Starfleet fare. It looks like a ship that had a competent design, then a hundred committees all got to add and subtract things, then Starfleet just started pumping ships out one a day, every day for years - completely skipping over the idea of having on final design pass that would smooth over the rough edges and make the class great. It feels like a ship Starfleet made in a fit of anxiety and panic, which totally fits with the lore. Also, I find it amusing that because Starfleet made so many of these ships, they will litter Federation space for the next century, likely becoming the ship of choice for every admiral who doesn't want to sit in an office on Earth (like how the Excelsior was used in the later years) and every up-and-coming Lt. Commander whom Starfleet is grooming for a long tenure as a Captain of a much better designed ship.
@bradenwolf2179
@bradenwolf2179 Год назад
When you started talking about shipyard and production, I was vocally saying "thank you!", because that was what I was thinking about for the latter half of this video
@Kreachie
@Kreachie Год назад
I and many others think of the Inquiry as sort of a “Jack of all Trades but Master of None” Type Vessel. Yeah, Not Perfect, but it works, originally following the Mars Attack by Romulan Hacked Synths (Which is another book yet to open on the Zhat Vash,) Starfleet lost 2/3rds of the Fleet, including ALL Active members of Older Ship Classes, Such as the New Orleans, Niagara, Excelsior, and Even Ambassador Classes, and with the remaining fleet Starfleet couldn’t defend itself adequately anymore. With only a Small number of Older Models left and moderate but Expensive to Build Newer models including 2 Odyssey-Class Starships in service, with a 3rd, The Enterprise-F, 90-95% Complete at San Francisco Fleetyards, not being widely available? Starfleet needed a Class of Ship to Temporarily fill in numbers, they Got the Inquiry and based its construction on the Liberty and Victory Classes of Cargo Ship from Earth’s Second World War. It was never meant to be Specialized, Be Fast, Last-Long, or even Look Pretty, She’s Meant to Just Plain Work. So Yeah, the Inquiry Might’ve had the most up-to-date-weapons, but down under she’s just as advanced as the Ross, Excalibur, or Sovereign, and Riker only called them the most advanced to intimidate General Nedar. Yet, the Design, even though it was meant to be a Short-Term Solution to the Numbers Problem, Was Actually unusually Popular With Civilians and Starfleet crews, and out of that, they Designed a Longer-Lasting and more durable version, which eventually became The Avenger-Class.
@Optimistprime.
@Optimistprime. 10 месяцев назад
I have the Eaglemoss model of this ship and other then bring a bit unrefined, it's actually a decent looking ship. Yes it has its problems but I can work with it. I figured it was about the size of a Excelsior class but chunkier. I will however never like the fact they made a 1000 copy paste fleet in S1 of Picard. That was absolute utter bullsh*t.
@Планета_Луганск
@Планета_Луганск 5 месяцев назад
Meh. Just make proper scaling, man. Inquiry is no bigger than Avenger.
@zoberraz
@zoberraz Год назад
This is a very nice video. Though you're incorrect in one respect: the concept art of the U.S.S. Archer you pointed out as the basis for the Inquiry was actually art done for Startrek Online, while it was in Perpetual Studios hands; before Cryptic Studios got to work on it. Ultimately, STO didn't really use it (until they added in the Inquiry from PIC S1). PIC S1 had Eaves reuse concept art from several STO concepts from the Perpetual days. The Eaglemoss magazine on the Inquiry revealed that PIC S1 was going to show off a Starfleet ship at some point, but they weren't sure what. A tug? A tender? Logistics cargo hauler? Concept art was done, and they included a sizeable frontal shuttlebay to account for that. But late down production, they needed a warship. The Inquiry became that, in 2 paintjobs, 2 nacelle variants and... the copy paste fleet. Also, in PIC S1, the tugs you see on display for the Romulan evacuation where mostly inspired from the hollow donut-saucer ship that was next to the USS Archer concept. Except, without the donut part of the saucer.
@JTeam45
@JTeam45 Год назад
My least favorite starship of all time. Even genuinely ugly ships have some charm about them, but this Inquiry Class and the copy/paste fleet disgusted me. Everything about it is wrong, squares everywhere, forward swept pylons, really squat, too big, stupid naccelle shapes, rectangular deflector(????). It's just bad, man. Abhorrent ship, I'd retire from Starfleet if I was posted on one.
@gwenweight6916
@gwenweight6916 Год назад
Two things: First, This thing is the flagship of the POS era fleet. Second, I would have forgiven everything else about Picard if 800 Galaxy class had shown up in the finale. That would have somehow felt less lazy.
@shade0110
@shade0110 Год назад
Well Venom can rant and rave all he wants, I'll agree with him it IS a rushed design, but I was fortunate enough to get one of these on one of my Federation characters, and I will say I LOVE the Inquiry Class; it's very maneuverable, it's tougher than it looks, and when you combine all the consoles together with it's V.A.D.A. console, it is a formidable beast! Like I've said before, quoting my fleet boss, "If you're able to build your ship right, it can and will be both formidable and durable, no matter what." And he's right. Oh, by the way Venom, if you had bothered to look closer on the designs, you'd see the Photon Torpedo Launchers below the forward shuttle bay. Hey, whatever floats your boat Venom. I have one, and I love it; hasn't let me down yet.
@smileygabe22
@smileygabe22 Год назад
I personally despise all designs that came out after 2009. The inquiry looks terrible and the copy and paste was just stupid. The avenger just looks weird. It's like they forgot how to design ships.
@lancersharpe
@lancersharpe 5 месяцев назад
Vile, utterly vile design. The cut and paste fleet was a sick joke and an instant turn-off moment - Really? Cya!
@apophis40123
@apophis40123 Год назад
Id love to get your take on the others newer ships ie Sagan, Neo Constitution, Excelsior 2, Dunderstadt etc
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 Год назад
Yeah some work. Some don't. And lore-wise some are just ridiculous...
@oliverfranke7650
@oliverfranke7650 Год назад
Mass produced Inquiry class ships make no sense. A ship of that size reuqires vast manpower and ressources to build. Even if mass produced, it would take a lot of effort to build such a ship. Not to mention dozens of them. There is a reason Starfleet puts out ships of smaller size in masses, while Sovereign, Galaxy and Odyssey class ships are limited in numbers. Usually Starfleet only puts so much effort into ships that were actually meant to head into the unknown. The setup of the bigger ships has alwys been primarily focused on exploration and diplomacy, while smaller ships run the daily business, like science, patrolling the borders, policing, engineering etc. One of the reasons Starfleet ships on Nutrek became that huge is, because it's actually Star Wars. Yeah, let's be honest here, JJ and Kurtzman are Star Wars fans. And they intended Star Trek to become more like Star Wars. Both admitted that repeatedly. What is the most common type of ships you see on Star Wars? Star Destroyers. These huge ships, that were present everywhere. Ships that are not suited for tasks like patrol, policing, inteligence or whatever. JJ and Kurtzman don't understand how a Navy is actually run. You need specialized ships. You can't just have a fleet of aircraft carriers and cruisers, you need frigates, you need destroyers, submarines etc. They all have a purpose and are built for that specific purpose. The Inquiry is just built to have a huge warship, like a Star Destroyer. Not because of any reason, but simply because they didn't know any better.
@MiquelGorbiviUS
@MiquelGorbiviUS 10 месяцев назад
Feels like they introduced so many controversies with this ship. And then to get rid of it, "there is a major flaw". Whats the flaw? But to the point of scale, it should be the size of beefy USS voyager.
@Qardo
@Qardo Год назад
There is a difference? (As an Avenger-Class owner.) Then, again, I am a Carrier Captain in STO. Even after a long break. I came back and ended up buying the Hiawatha-Class Command Carrier. It is ugly, big, and I love it.
@casbot71
@casbot71 Год назад
The Inquiry was a missed opportunity _and it broke Trek lore with its numbers! They could have gone with something different from the *primary+secondary hull* with *two nacelles on pylons* that is now so derivative that it's cliche (like how the First Order Tie Fighters were just Imperial jobs with different paint, even though they were supposed to be completely different - lazy design). When the fleet appeared they could have, just by it being a different design language paradigm, have shown how much Starfleet had changed by their presence. Like with the new ship concepts in _First Contact_ showed that the Borg had changed the philosophy of Starfleet. A new ship design language that was more _compact and muscular,_ giving a implied threatening look would have suited the *post Utopia Planetia* and post Dominion War Starfleet. Something that had the DNA of the Defiant and the Prometheus classes, prehaps with the integrated nacelles of the First Contact anti Borg ships. Basically a streamlined Defiant with four nacelles mounted directly to the hull without nacelles, perhaps even blending into the hull. A aggressive presence with a compact layout that looks tough instead of _spindly,_ And that would make sense in that Starfleet would want something that could utilise the space available in smaller shipyards to the maximum, like a solid block that has had parts cut away instead of a delicate elongated design with a lot of empty space. [at least the Inquiry had pylons that were thick enough that they seemed like they could attach nacelles to the main hull without superscience]. It would show a scared and scarred Starfleet that was making pragmatic tanks/battlewagons instead of traditional fragile sculptures. *And they could have used a lot less ships.* The size of the fleet completely violates Star Trek lore by its numbers. A ad hoc fleet assembled quickly on a tip off from a controversial former admiral, that is larger than a main battle fleet for the penultimate engagement of the Dominion War !!?! Working out the numbers for Riker's fleet, even if all the ships have minimal crew, it's still a lot of Starfleet personnel going off on a rumour. Does Starfleet now have fleets of hundreds of ships on standby in groups to go off wherever? (They all arrived at once). In that case the Dominion War round 2 would be Starfleet steamrolling them in a week. And how does Starfleet produce a hundred ships that each uses a _lot more mass_ than a Galaxy class (it's a bulkier ship for it's "supposed" length) - let alone when it's primary shipyard has been a cinder for years? The Producers of Picard could have gotten away with a dozen to twenty ships, as these were supposed to be pure combat powerhouses. The Zhat Vash were using corvettes/scout ships, as they were a cell structure intelligence agency that no longer had the resources of a Interstellar Empire to supply them. It's like the producers were watching the Battle of the binary stars and just shouted _"more…more"_ when asked how many ships should be on screen. It could have been a lot more dramatic with only a few dozen Starfleet ships at most in total on screen, with some close up _ship porn_ shots of the *"Dreadnaught Defiants"* as they lock onto the badly outclassed Zhat Vash Scout Fleet - the tension of the individual ships jockeying for superior position as the armoured bricks of Starfleet get in the face of the smaller Scout corvettes, and the audience goes _"those are phaser cannon turrets"_ on the Starfleet ships. It could have been a epic scene instead of a let down. Still at least the Inquiry class doesn't have thin pylons that would snap in a second without structural integrity fields.
@canisblack
@canisblack Год назад
...holy shit. I mean I love STO, it's my number one source of Ship Pr0n after all, but the show model versus the STO model is just...could the laziness of the designers and show runners be any more evident? I mean we already knew they were lazy thanks to the cut and paste fleet, but still...
@liamscienceguy8153
@liamscienceguy8153 10 месяцев назад
I personally headcanon’d it to about 190-200 ish meters in length, making it on a par with the Nova class. Basically, its a nova class but they slapped some guns on it
@CaptainRasmot
@CaptainRasmot Год назад
wait wait wait . . . wait . . . the Inquiry is meant to be HOW big??? Like it has been . . . A WHILE since I have touched STO and the last i remember i *thought* that the Inquiry was meant to be a sort of "version" of the Avenger class? Because it was a growing style to make versions of ships for the three classes that players can be (one for Tactical, Science and Engineering) so i remember the Avenger being this rather shorter in stature ship in comparison to something like . . . a Galaxy or Sovereign class ship. But if it is as big as you say it is . . . then that is utterly ridiculous and shows that it was sized up for NO good reason.
@HorribleHarry
@HorribleHarry Год назад
Ok… I despised this class when first seen, but it has grown in me. I think the length etc is accurate but it is obviously a rushed design. All this being said, I can defend the chonky build as being durable … and shouldn’t a ship designed to be half explorer and half warship by able to take punishment. Can you imagine fighting against the Enterprise J, and not focusing on the nacelle pylons? (Or the neck on a vor’cha/D7) also didn’t the D have different sized shuttle bays?
@conansmight1703
@conansmight1703 Год назад
My only critic of Picard season 3 has been what feels like very lazy emphasis on the ships and tech. Not a fan of the Titan simple as it looks absolutely nothing like a refit of the Titan! Plus slow moving photon torpedoes... Come on, give us the quantums... Seems a hang over from what's felt like equal laziness with season 1 + 2.
@milokojjones
@milokojjones Год назад
I really don't like the Inquiry Class. I mean it could probably be redeemed with some changes and than it would be ok, but currently it's just really meh. I mean, if it was just some random ship from some sci-fi it would be fine, but for a Star Trek Starfleet ship, it's really bad in comparison to all the others.
@lexi9956
@lexi9956 Год назад
I can give you a reason: bureaucratic fuckery. Star fleet wanted a universal cruiser, but they bungled it, like every military supply chain screw up there's ever been where you get eight generals or Admirals wanting the new toy to do everything and the engineers have no choice but to appease them and wind up with something that's bad at everything. It's a ship designed by committee rather than engineers and winds up being a complete abomination. When it finally becomes too big a mess to ignore, they go back to the drawing board, revise the design and roll out the Avenger. Problem is, by now there's 100 or more Inquiry ships out in the field, too many to scrap the entire class so they have no choice but to live with it and try and deal with the defects as best they can. Picard era Star Fleet strikes me as being that stupid. Lazy and complacent the way they were in the TNG. Star Fleet seems to do well under pressure but it really craps out during peacetime. I feel like its scientific focus sometimes works against it. Crisis is over let's get back to exploring because that's the last war we'll ever have...boom, Borg, Dominion or whatever else, then they play catch up after they take massive casualties. But honestly that's the story of every military in history. The politicians want to play with their peace time dividend and not put money into keeping their war machine's cutting edge.
@jonnyolson1221
@jonnyolson1221 Год назад
There’s a diagram of this ship scaled for STO at 383.54 m and at the “Eaglemoss” scale of 640 m. Looks more appropriate being the smaller length.
@christophermills7693
@christophermills7693 Год назад
another issue, it is just as ugly as the discovery , the kurtsman discovery not the 2001 and 2010 uss discovery,
@Skevic222
@Skevic222 Год назад
You got to remember... Yes it was based off of a old STO class, but in the end its a CGI design made in one or two days for Star Trek Picard so quality isn't going to be very good. If you need access to one in game let me know, I have one. Oh, and in game the scale is pulled back and is a lot smaller then say a Galaxy-class.
@bamikroket
@bamikroket Год назад
I always thought it was about Voyager size, so roughly 330 meters. The producers saying it's over 600 is ridiculous.
@samuelvine
@samuelvine Год назад
So, what you're saying about scaling nice sweeping designs is that size queens are right. Bigger is better.... sounds like the lessons taught in something that rhymes with Corn. :P ;) XD
@ozelhassan8576
@ozelhassan8576 Год назад
24 the deflector dish, well it’s not like a Galaxy class, Sovereign or Intrepid classes starships, it’s just weird
@ozelhassan8576
@ozelhassan8576 Год назад
24 the deflector dish, well it’s not like a Galaxy class, Sovereign or Intrepid classes starships, it’s just weird
@tarn1135
@tarn1135 Год назад
Jar jar and hacks’man have zero concept of what scale or distances are. Seriously look at the idiotic sizing in the reboot movies and how stupidly close everything is with Kahn literally beaming from earth to q’onos to warping back to earth in 2 minutes, or rather 20 seconds but whatever then look at rise of papa’ palpatine with those stupid Star destroyers. These are all unforced errors that piss off everyone who cares at all with the tech.
@gridlock7425
@gridlock7425 Год назад
'sentence'
@terrysimmons8657
@terrysimmons8657 Год назад
Remember when NASA lost a Mars probe because the people who built it used Metric and those flying it used Standard. Maybe Starfleet Design engineers used one type of measurement and construction used another.
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain Год назад
we have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge! In fealty of the VenomGeek our undying lord, an by the grace of Utopia Planetia Fleet yards I hearby declare AN INQUISITION upon the Inquiry Class and condemn the copy past fleet to rescaling. May john Eves original design account in all balance. The Picard Protects.
@kenkearns2444
@kenkearns2444 11 месяцев назад
This video is pointless.. this guy is just restating the same facts over and over and every time he refers to it, he gives it a sin count.. you just said that you have very little knowledge of this ship, yet you are coming to conclusions about aspects of it just from a look at it, not knowing the tech or purpose behind 99% of the ship.. click bait
@FrakkinGaiusBaltar
@FrakkinGaiusBaltar Год назад
I'm a bit late but goddam at 10:15 just look how good the Odyssey looks and how absolutely trash the Inquiry is in comparison. Also, Avenger gang rise up
@UKSHARPSHOOTER78
@UKSHARPSHOOTER78 Год назад
I don't know where you're getting your technical information from but I can tell you that the inquiry class starship does have torpedo launchers 4 of them 2 fore 2 aft I'd suggest you do more research on the inquiry and do this video again I can tell you all the specs of the inquiry, but it will take too long to type it all out. It does have a new type of phaser array new shielding new warpdrive the list is endless So before you make a video bashing a ship you clearly know nothing about I'd research the ship first I have found so much technical information on the inquiry and reading the history of the ship how it came to fruition and how powerful it is you'll understand why I don't agree with this video at all What I believe is that you have jumped on this copy paste bandwagon and thought you'd get your 2 pence worth in The inquiry is truly a remarkable starship she might not be as aesthetically pleasing to the eye as most federation starships but she is a beast and she does have a certain degree of elegance to her I for one love the ship in everyway and if you want to compare battlecruisers then compare to the arbiter which by all accounts is an updated version of the inquiry class
@gameoverinsertcointocontin8102
I also think the scale is just off. It makes sense to place it a bit smaller than an Excelsior, a kind of a fast response ship with high sustainable warp speed, good impulse and firepower with utility for all kinds of emergencies, but sacrificing defenses and not as comfortable inside as a Galaxy and Ambassador.
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