New Inquiry Variation Class Starships 

Using only a small squadron of Inquiry class ships at Coppelius would also drive home how powerful this new ship is and how much Starfleet was sandbagging due to the arrogance developed in the pre-TNG and early TNG era. Or how far the Romulan Free State had fallen compared to the Romulan Empire.

I agree, I didn't hated that introduction, but it would have been better if they had been... maybe 8 ships? Perhaps add a few of other classes, but having few of them and seeing Riker boost about them, would sell really well how powerful they are. Heck, they could have a short skirmish with the Romulan enemies before they open communications. On a similar topic, I think it would have been better if the Romulans also had fewer ships. They are supposed to be a fanatical cult within the Tal Shiar, there shouldn't be many of them, but there wasn't any reason for them to be so many, even a single spaceship could have glassed a world without any protection. They tried to make it more grandiose than it was by adding a lot of ships, while keeping it small could have made it more meaningful.

Yeah aside from the deflector “grill” I actually really like the design. It looks practical and thought out.

Precisely

They described the task force as a squadron in the previous episode. . I'd argue it was a fleet battle squadron. . Some sort of rapid reaction fleet . ?

Well the Enterprise F in ad of itself is very much a war ship but with favor toward exploration and very much a flagship. The inquiry reminds of the arleigh Burke class destroyers here in the US Navy such USS Bulkley, Chung Hoon and Mason. They are work horse warships doing things such counter piracy escort missions for battle groups and commerce.

@@808INFantry11X true but they had the reliable Intrepid class already, and in modernizing the slot it filled they went and committed to a combat forward fleet doctrine If I were some regular gleep glorps greeted by the UFP from the bow of an Intrepid, I don’t think I’d be as menaced as I would be if it were from that of an Inquiry

Always wanted to believe that these ships were a "Warship Fleet in Reserve" deployed when a major problem/threat needs sorting out in a timely manner. I mean of course they have exploration capabilities, all Starfleet ships do (even the Defiant did to a point). Clearly though this isn't their best role as exploration is probably best left up to ships like the new Enterprise G.

@@joecostantino3684 You mean the _Titan-B_ ? Yes, I still feel they should've called it that. Rick did a video on _Titan_ s, and there was one before Riker's. And since the _Titan_ has a legacy of its own, I believe the name of _Enterprise_ could have been given to a different vessel. One more capable of a flagship's duties. Not that there can't be _Trek_ without an _Enterprise_ , because there can be.

What is war Aliens can’t hurt me Can’t hurt me No more

I’ve always thought that the numbers were simply an en masse hologram trick by Riker. But this theory makes sense too, although I don’t think Starfleet would crank out this many of a single class even despite losses

@@iyadmajdi with them using Industrial Replicators (at last...) in "Children of Mars" (a failing of Star Trek I always thought absurd), they could crank out ships by the thousands in short order, if necessary. They only needed to "hard build" a ship once, thus fulfilling the more "romantic" notions of shipwrighting seen in earlier iterations of Star Trek and then fart out clones of the ship en masse with reckless abandon after. And even in TNG, they implied that mining wasn't always people scraping ore off walls as much as mass-beaming entire veins up from orbit for processing. So supply shouldn't be an issue. I've always contended that the speed at which the Federation operated in the old days was absurdly slow. 10 years to build a Galaxy Class? Oh, please. Maybe if you built the damn thing out of Legos. lol

@@MrPaladinothe issue with using the replicators for ships in the past was its inability to replicate duranium/tritanium and most other special materials they used in their starships

@@MrPaladino I'm really showing my age here.... I was watching late night QVC back in the 90's when they had a Star Trek "show" (I guess). They even had a guest from the series on, I think it was George Takai, but I'm not 100%. One thing I do remember is them talking about how in TOS ships were built by hand and took months to build. Then they started talking about how by TNG, ships were produced en masse with replicators and a Galaxy Class could be built in under a day. Seemed odd to 12yo me, but since one of the cast members was agreeing with it, that's what I was going with. Then DS9 got to the Dominion war and I was confused as to why they were running short on ships.

I had a similar thought to @scottgardener at first. In context, it's about the only thing that makes sense. It seems like the fleet was organized in a hurry and all came from the same place, but that doesn't quite make sense as the ships all seem to be *new*, and Riker boasts about their capabilities. This would imply they were basically created for this sortie, or at least in anticipation of such a singular event, as any other hastily organized effort would have undoubtedly included a wide variety of ships, like in a Star Trek show. Remember when theorizing was something passionate fans did for fun instead of a desperate attempt to patch holes and poor decisions of the property itself? I think it's pretty clear the people that should have thought about this just didn't, resulting in a poorly written and poorly executed story beat betraying just how little interest Star Trek has in actually being Star Trek outside of combing through memory alpha for references to make and keywords to distract from poor attempts and plausible technobabble. I'm being harsh. I even enjoyed Picard season 1. I'm just tired of being handed -flavored paste and then looked at quizzically when I'm not overjoyed. "What, I thought you liked ." It's not like I wouldn't have met it half-way, if only it felt like it cared rather than that I wasn't supposed to. I just can't any more, but I can't deny it's still in my bones. Until they boot Kurtzman or give Terry Matalas his own show, Lower Decks just isn't enough to sustain me as a fan.

The Picard S2 designers took the design and just squished the secondary hull in various places to make it "sleeker" and fit a deflector dish. The result is oddly jagged angles under the deflector, a secondary hull that does not properly line up with the saucer, a squished deflector because they wanted to fit a deflector on the new squished secondary hull, nacelle pylons that are no longer connected to the hangar, and an overall design language clash of angles vs curves. It doesn't matter in Picard S2, because it's in a 2-second shot in the dark where you can't see shit, but when Cryptic then reimported the design into STO, they decided to not fix any of the stupid stuff, because they wanted to be faithful to the show. WHY?!

@@Mazra42 dunno what to tell you, I like the refit/redesign and regularly fly it in STO🤷‍♂️, imho a big improvement over the (very much unfinished) version in season 1, but taste is subjective ofcourse.

Maybe this is a ship for beings who come from a planet with weird shaped buildings and hallways and they wanted them to feel at home?

I think what it shows is that star fleet is soo ideologically bankrupt, all they can really do is create one ship and then copy paste it. In reality it would be poor judgment to create a singular design in such numbers, since any weaknesses it has would be able to be exploited for all other vessels. The only advantage is that a whole fleet of them is easy to calculate the combined capabilities and to just add more or less ships based on the task. But given that starfleet has soo much technology, big ships like these shouldn't even be needed. Just like the enterprise was mostly empty compartments, the crew couldn't even fill one deck of the ship. Space isn't needed for long range missions, because they have holodecks that simulate space, and we've seen ships before that basically are one big holodeck on the inside, so things like sleeping quarters, common areas, etc....all can be condensed into a holodeck. You could nearly pack crews in like sardines, and they wouldn't even know it, feeling like they're in a space ship the size of a whole planet. The ships are supposed to show how powerful they are, that they can just add all that extra mass to the ship, but a smaller ship with stronger weapons and shields and thicker armor would be far more advantageous in every way. Of course the first thought that would arise in people's mind is the Defiant class ship. But I think they can do even better than that. Given the mass of these ships, they could make smaller ships 1/10th the size, with 10 times thicker armor, multiple warp cores, and way stronger shields.

If you're able to get it, that is. Lol.

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IMHO given the advancements in CGI implementation in shows, couldn't they just... well, change things up from the "copy paste" scene on future re-runs and BD's of the show? For example, they can use some of the CG models they used in S2 and S3 for the scene in order to give it more variety. This is a standard you frequently see on the other side of the Pacific where the shows' post-production get touched up after the show's initial airing.

@@StrikeNoir105E it's technically feasible but I doubt it's very likely. The studio would have to pay for it, and for that to happen there would need to be some expectation to recoup the cost. And the shows done now, so I don't think there's any interest. There was some digital touch-up done post original airing, and ahead of the blu-ray release. But aside from that, I think they're done with it.

Easy, but expensive to do, and they wouldn't make the money back from the change. So I don't expect Paramount to ever do this.

The problem with a "Legacy" fleet is that many of those "legacy" designs were retired. And retrofitting them so they could keep up with the Inquiry at Warp 9.99 would've been a monumental undertaking (as an in-universe explanation). The Galaxy Class would be hampered at Warp 9.7 and fall hours or even days behind the rest of the fleet in a matter of moments. I think people forget everything we learned from the show about Warp Field dynamics and the geometric range of the Warp Factors past 9.0. 9.1 to 9.9, for example, is several orders of magnitude greater. New 25th Century design could do it, and the specifically retrofitted classes like the Sovereign Class (which could already sustain Warp 9.9 for an obscene amount of time in the 2370s) an obvious exception. That's the only true "Legacy" design seen left in the amassed fleet in season 3 of the show. Otherwise, it was all things like Inquiry, Pathfinder, Odyssey, Reliant, Duderstadt, Sagan, Connie III, Gagarin, Excelsior II, uhhh... that weird flat ship they had at Daystrom (can't think of it off the top of my head) and a few others unidentified at Frontier Day.

Also Ross, and Sutherland.

The warp factors seem to be meaningless in Picard, especially in Season 3 where even shuttlecraft appear to cross the Federation in mere minutes.

Well, Worf WAS part of Starfleet.

You and me both! I've got one in STO, but I've kit bashed it to remove the grille-type deflector. It looks great, but not the same as the S2/S3 version. Though the original concept art is definitely what I loved first.

I hope the S2/S3 Picard version comes out as a Legendary Inquiry. I’d open as many Lockboxes as needed to get one.,. hear me, Cryptic/Gearbox??? Will spend $$ 😜

I find it hard to give up my Arbiter even though I got the legendary anniversary pack a few months ago, lol...

@@flatline8580 the 10th anniversary?

@@Efyhxsl59m Nah, 13th I think? Decade of saving up Zen, lol... Whole bunch of legendary ships including the Constitution. I just really like the Avenger look, hehe...

@Flat Line 12th and 13th which I have are all Terran non Legendary shios, they're great but not Legendary. I don't have the 10th or 11th which is all Legendary ships, i was gonna get the 10th but the 13th was too appealing to pass up so I got that instead. I've got a few Legendary bundles like romulan warbird bundle, calien, dominion bug ship, Miranda, and galaxy dread. I live them with all the skins, traits and consoles you get with Legendary ships. The more kitbash I can do with a ship the more I tend to like it. My current favorite ship to fly is the Terran Monitor (nebula) carrier.

@@Efyhxsl59m Ah yeah it was the 10th Anniversary bundle when it when on super sale! Not sure how kit-bashy the parts are, havent experimented much.

Like how the Defiant-class has the bridge module sunken into the hull and armored over.

That and the whole dropping out of warp and stopping on a dime so close to one another just irks me whenever I see it.

@@zerrodefex Staple of "Star Trek" since JJ made those stupid movies. They've been depicting a warp bubble collapse like that since 09 and it's so stupid.

I believe it was . Or that's what they said in the lore . They were built for rapid construction and with a duel , defence/ exploration role .

It would be nice to have combat control at highest sublight. I think that you are correct, it must be this particular ship that can pull it off. I don't have Starfleet Engineering stats to find out for sure however it would seem that may be the case here.

It is not, unfortunately. I still love mine, though.