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Everything You DON'T Know About The Charmed Cast Feuds, Drama & CURSE 

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Charmed was a wildly successful show from The WB, but today it is almost just as famous for it's behind the scenes drama, especially the decades long feud between Shannen Doherty & Alyssa Milano.
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SOURCING EDIT Hi y'all, I just want to be a bit clearer about something that wasn't blatant in the video & I know everyone doesn't click through to the sourcing. In the video I shout out a creator, Allison Pregler, who's Charmed videos I watched before making this but after my WB video. Before the shoutout I show three clips (full clips with audio) from Charmed the actual show & there's also some b-roll (clips without audio that are used with my voiceover) in the video from Charmed (esp the clips focused on the women dressed up as creatures, which is just before the audio mentioned), the Lady Godiva promo, the 150th episode Cole return promo & some of the Phoebe bits.
As you all know I put all of my sourcing in the Google link, & I always include everything I've read or watched, whether I use physical clips or not, as in my opinion everything you watch & read creating a video contributes to it, directly or indirectly. You can see that with Allison's videos as I list all 13 of her videos, even though I don't use them all, (the 13 videos are: Charmed's eight seasons, four videos about the Charmed comics & one video on the Charmed reboot). So I usually include all the ones I've watched, & I also put ones I enjoy &/or the most important sources towards the top so my viewers can go watch them if they like. Due to the fact I used several of Allison's videos & because I enjoyed them a lot & watched them multiple times, I put a shout out in the video. I'm glad Allison got a boost on those videos from people clicking over, but it's always hard to know how everyone feels about this & where exactly each person's line is for wanting their content shared etc. So I just again wanted to reinforce & make clearer what's in the sources & what I said in the shout out. As I had the videos listed in the sources already, I delivered the shout out in a way that I thought would make people more inclined to check out the videos rather than "I used these as sources for XYZ go check the videos out''. So with all that being said, all Allison's videos, all the other Charmed videos I used to make this one & all the videos & articles I read & watched while researching & writing are all available in the Google link above.
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@SJTJ
@SJTJ Месяц назад
My elder millennial ass is sat all the way down…..
@janine7767
@janine7767 Месяц назад
All the way down girl lol
@SJTJ
@SJTJ Месяц назад
*and not just because I’m elderly and my back hurts
@LostSox
@LostSox Месяц назад
This show was nowhere near my orbit, but I still knew about it. WB was that network for a minute.
@kianabrash
@kianabrash Месяц назад
😂❤
@Hillcountry_Catholic
@Hillcountry_Catholic Месяц назад
lol same
@jenniferrollin5777
@jenniferrollin5777 Месяц назад
To me, it seemed like the show was originally created for female audiences with deep relational connections but then reshaped into sexual fantasies for male gazes when a male took over. Too bad, the first three seasons rocked!
@Passions5555
@Passions5555 Месяц назад
Season 4 was decent. I bailed around season 5 though.
@BellesView
@BellesView Месяц назад
@@Passions5555I checked out at Season 6
@PittsburghSportsFan43
@PittsburghSportsFan43 Месяц назад
@jenniferrollin5777 4 and 5 were good. They really were the last good years though. 6 was far too Phoebe centric, 7 just felt weird and 8 didn't feel like the same show. Although I definitely prefer the season 8 finale to the season 7 one. That and Piper & Leo and Paige & Henry are the saving grace of season 8 IMO.
@Doctor_Odin
@Doctor_Odin Месяц назад
It wasn’t really for the “male gaze” as it was just them pulling things out of their bum to keep the show alive via outrageousness stunts. (IE: the cosplay BS) While massaging big egos with money, which is also why the show became ridiculously cheap with beyond lazy riding. I also agree that the first three seasons were the best for the show.
@Dan-qx8sn
@Dan-qx8sn Месяц назад
It was a spelling production... No bras were used during at least the first season
@MB_Christian
@MB_Christian Месяц назад
Holly Marie Combs was the secret sauce on that show.
@r.l.bookreviews
@r.l.bookreviews Месяц назад
Piper is my favorite character of hers
@SydalaTristan
@SydalaTristan Месяц назад
I agree!
@randomgeekcrap
@randomgeekcrap Месяц назад
Yeah even after she stopped trying and I mean she stopped trying her acting wasn't even there was still the only person holding this together
@doctorposting
@doctorposting Месяц назад
nah she was so boring
@MrROBERTJOHNSMITH
@MrROBERTJOHNSMITH Месяц назад
Piper is my favorite from Charmed
@inannanightingale9718
@inannanightingale9718 Месяц назад
I found it so funny and weird that after Prue died, suddenly there were just no photos of their dead sister in the house anywhere and when they did flashback episodes they only showed scenes with Prue as a dog or the back of her on a motorbike. It was just so out of place that the sisters wouldn't have pics of her anymore when they used to (especially the famous pic of the three of them together which was symbolic of their coming together again). It stuck out like a sore thumb and made it obvious there was some kind of issue there... either the producers or whoever makes those decisions just wanted to remove her likeness completely out of fear of having to pay for it or out of spite. Or Shannon's team didn't give permission for her likeness to ever turn up in any episode ever again.
@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee
@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee Месяц назад
Yeah, I think even pictures weren’t allowed by Shannen and her team
@katherinebenitez7401
@katherinebenitez7401 Месяц назад
I was also FURIOUS they didn’t let her or ask her to come back for the series finale. 🤬
@geekista
@geekista Месяц назад
Understandable ​@@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee
@geekista
@geekista Месяц назад
​@@katherinebenitez7401i believe they asked, but she refused
@finallykat1299
@finallykat1299 Месяц назад
To have the photos they would have had to pay Shannen for use of her likeness and the production refused to pay her
@TheHalloweenSpirit
@TheHalloweenSpirit Месяц назад
RIP Shannon, she was a fantastic actress and person, deserved so much better in this life...
@JaneKaplun-js4lp
@JaneKaplun-js4lp Месяц назад
I agree. I liked her in everything I saw her in and I missed out on Beverly Hills 90whatever the number is entirely.
@brianbaratheon
@brianbaratheon Месяц назад
It's spelled SHANNEN.
@1bridge11
@1bridge11 Месяц назад
@@JaneKaplun-js4lp 90210
@JaneKaplun-js4lp
@JaneKaplun-js4lp Месяц назад
Thank you, 1 bridge 11. I doubt I will remember but thank you for taking the time.
@montananerd8244
@montananerd8244 Месяц назад
I still remember whole plot lines from her era on the show, she & holly had the chops to pull off some wild storylines, & it def veered off into predictable soap operatics after that. And then the Big Bang Girl joined up… sharks were jumped lol… I remember bawling when Prue died, I had no idea it was coming, I don’t think I was that knocked over by a TV death until OITNB lost my favorite character.
@simplesim17
@simplesim17 Месяц назад
Brad Kern did such damage to the story, characters, and style of the show.
@sarasunshinemt4444
@sarasunshinemt4444 17 дней назад
I kept watching, mostly because I still liked the premise, but it got to be so ridiculous with the demon love interest just dragging on and on, then the angel love interest dragging on, and even the actresses started looking apathetic is some scenes when using their magic. It was rather ridiculous that Milano's character became this kick@$$ girl boss, too. After awhile, I just...didn't care about the characters and storyline anymore and stopped watching. I think the only series from the WB that I watched all the way thru was Smallville & Buffy. I caught the ending of Angel but only because Spike joined the show.
@sparkfadingspark
@sparkfadingspark Месяц назад
As much as people credit Shannen leaving for the decline in quality (and her leaving did definitely hurt) I do truly believe Constance leaving as showrunner and that hack Brad Kern taking over hurt the show a million times more. The quality declined so much, and by the fifth season, so many episodes just become about "what outrageous and skimpy outfits/costume can we get the girls in now!" Especially Phoebe, her character just became a black hole of skimpy outfits and bland love interests. It was painful to watch. I wish we'd had a chance to see what Constance would've done if she'd stayed on - so much of the sisterhood aspect was lost when she was gone and it's just a shame.
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Месяц назад
I totally agree with you constance was truly the best person to handle the show I only rewatch the first four seasons
@sparkfadingspark
@sparkfadingspark Месяц назад
@@angelaholmes8888 you really do feel it as soon as that fifth season premiered - that stupid mermaid look was like the biggest red flag that the show was on the decline. The first four seasons really were so solid - regardless of all the drama, they did put out four seasons they should be proud of.
@aaliyahlovato
@aaliyahlovato Месяц назад
Contrary to popular belief, the outfits were looking that way since late season 1. ex: in “the power of two” Prue is wearing a shirt that is leaving little to the imagination. they clearly weren’t wearing any bras either as the show went on. And as much flack as the later seasons get for continuity errors there’s just as much in the earlier seasons. Overall, I love this show through the good, the bad, the ugly.
@coffeeandcults
@coffeeandcults Месяц назад
Yes I totally agree, I know I kept talking about the mermaid episode but I really think that was the absolute tipping point of the show. After Paige’s introduction Constance was only consulting for season four so it’s drops a bit in quality, but the mermaid was her completely removed. I wonder where the show would have gone. I’ve never seen her do many (any?) interviews after leaving the show. I’m sure she was upset by what happened as she based the sisters on her own sisters. Thanks for watching!
@oliviatocali
@oliviatocali Месяц назад
@@aaliyahlovato Though with Prue, I believe they were trying to embody her slow liberation and becoming (for lack of a better term) less uptight. It did somewhat reflect character development and personality, which can often show through wardrobe. Holly spoke how even hairstyles and such were extremely important to the producer Aaron Spelling, as he says it helps to identify a character. She thought it was ridiculous but sort of grew to understand it. On the other hand, Phoebe's outfits often had to do with ridiculous costumes (or lack thereof, naked or nearly naked) and it seemed a cheap and unnecessary ploy when it happened again and again. The costumes became skimpier over time compared to earlier seasons. Alyssa Milano herself said in an interview that it was done to draw viewers and ratings.
@KatherineF0322
@KatherineF0322 Месяц назад
Holly Marie Combs was great! She brought such a genuineness to Piper’s character that made her so endearing and loyal. I can’t imagine anyone else playing her.
@sianais
@sianais Месяц назад
She's the only reason I kept watching after Shannen left.
@elysia2022
@elysia2022 Месяц назад
Yesssss!
@franniepan
@franniepan Месяц назад
My chin hit the floor when you said that the actor who played Cole was dating Shannen Doherty at the time. And then the fact that Alyssa Milano went out with Bryan Krause! I had no idea!
@Lapislazuli_36
@Lapislazuli_36 Месяц назад
Yeah, she skimmed over the fact that Julian was married when he started seeing Shannen. That's why you're shocked bc they always denied dating. Julian probs hooked up with Alyssa too & my guess is that that's what completely fractured Alyssa & shannen's relationship
@imamorninglory
@imamorninglory Месяц назад
@@Lapislazuli_36 I’d have to agree with you on this! With the way actors and actress’ hook up during their movies Etc, I wouldn’t be surprised if these two were sleeping together which would destroy any civility between Shannon and Alyssa.
@susanstorm7910
@susanstorm7910 Месяц назад
@@07Flash11MRCdon’t be mean
@07Flash11MRC
@07Flash11MRC Месяц назад
What's mean about stating facts? This hasn't been a secret in at least 20 years....
@Lapislazuli_36
@Lapislazuli_36 Месяц назад
@@imamorninglory i seriously would not be surprised if it did happen bc Julian had no problem cheating on his wife who, at the time, had recently given birth to their child. Plus, there has to be a reason why he wasn't on speaking terms with Alyssa for a bit.
@QuasiAmerican
@QuasiAmerican Месяц назад
Ah the 90s was such peak TV with this, X files, Buffy and Xena. Great video as always 😊.
@lottemller5443
@lottemller5443 Месяц назад
The 90s was just perfect about tv and music, I would love to turn back time, and go back to my teen years again 🥰
@veronicapomar6010
@veronicapomar6010 Месяц назад
I really only watched Buffy the vampire slayer and the spinoff that came out with it Angel I got into Dawsons Creek later I tried to watch Charmed but I just couldn’t get into it after Shannen Doherty left.
@auraswan951
@auraswan951 Месяц назад
You mentioned Xena!!!! Loved that show growing up!
@QuasiAmerican
@QuasiAmerican Месяц назад
@@auraswan951 yay! My literal favourite ❤️. Xena and Gabrielle are the best love story of all time 🤣😍
@a.b.creator
@a.b.creator 29 дней назад
I'm starting to think the 90s were peak for everything.
@YankessLove13
@YankessLove13 Месяц назад
I grew up absolutely loving charmed and only discovered years later that there had been drama. Always interesting to see when the behind the scenes shenanigans overshadows the show itself
@KrazyKatLady
@KrazyKatLady Месяц назад
This is me rn, I have such rose tinted glasses for Charmed. I loved it so much and watched all of it multiple times during my childhood/teens. I'm sad to know just how bad it was and wanting to watch it again under this lense.
@katherinebenitez7401
@katherinebenitez7401 Месяц назад
Alyssa can deny until her last breath. The fact is she is NEVER on stage at the conventions with the other cast members or on the podcasts tell us she was and STILL is the problem.
@harmanlesli
@harmanlesli Месяц назад
Yes that says loads. Years later Alyssa is the one person none of her old coworkers will be near her.
@jakestroll6518
@jakestroll6518 27 дней назад
Why would she be on the struggle tour? She’s the only one there that doesnt need to chase appearance fees for that crap. Aside from her residuals, she’s married to a very big shot agent. But also, Shannon was dying and that got her cheap sympathy. Actors know not to go against the public narrative when it’s been purchased from a death bed.
@harmanlesli
@harmanlesli 27 дней назад
@@jakestroll6518 Cancer medical bills is really freaking expensive even compared to other common medical. Remember most of her paychecks happened when she was a minor, which was decades earlier. She had more cash than someone flipping burgers or a bank teller but not compared to most sitcom actresses of her recognition.
@dannyadams4765
@dannyadams4765 25 дней назад
@@jakestroll6518 Alyssa Milano is a nut job
@mleys3248
@mleys3248 17 дней назад
Yes. For me the tell tale on Milano, is the shamelessnes of the go fund me for her sons' sport event. Shamelessness is also a tell tale sign of narcissism or even psychopathy. Both go hand in hand with highly manipulative people. I can imagine that Shannon Doherty was to sure of herself and to direct to let any manipulative attempts go unnoticed. I am guessing that is why she was pushed out by Milano ?
@queenb7013
@queenb7013 Месяц назад
Holly said in an IG live that rose never became a producer because she found out that she wouldn’t get a pay raise
@sydneyslaughter7163
@sydneyslaughter7163 Месяц назад
Totally fair
@PittsburghSportsFan43
@PittsburghSportsFan43 Месяц назад
Don't blame her. I wonder if it wasn't also to avoid working more with Milano, or risk her getting pissy about it.
@care_hopexo
@care_hopexo Месяц назад
I literally wouldn’t blame her ! Plus, Rose wasn’t attached yet to the show as Holly & Alyssa had been on for 4 seasons already !! They were more passionate about it I feel like
@harmanlesli
@harmanlesli Месяц назад
Nobody should have extra job duties and roles without compensation. Rose was correct no pay no work
@0mniaVanitas
@0mniaVanitas Месяц назад
I wonder where Charmed would've gone if Alyssa had left instead of Shannen, I kinda feel like Prue brought more to the table than Phoebe
@ethanf6136
@ethanf6136 Месяц назад
Not really because Phoebe was always the sister that accepted being a witch and made Prue and Piper like being witches too
@janesweepingbush2289
@janesweepingbush2289 Месяц назад
@@ethanf6136 that's why they brought more to the table. They struggled, the struggle made them human
@lindseym3810
@lindseym3810 29 дней назад
💯 that’s what should’ve happened
@cari_esta
@cari_esta 29 дней назад
Fewer weiners wagging.
@ethanf6136
@ethanf6136 28 дней назад
@@janesweepingbush2289 but you can relate to Phoebe’s carefree, longing for something new persona and street smarts tactics
@queenb7013
@queenb7013 Месяц назад
Please do a video on Desperate Housewives cause holy crap that show had so much drama off camera as it did on
@TheHalloweenSpirit
@TheHalloweenSpirit Месяц назад
Oh YES, we need that
@carasangster1107
@carasangster1107 Месяц назад
Omg yes that would be brilliant 👏
@hayleedaniels6077
@hayleedaniels6077 Месяц назад
This would be fun!
@Watts_Up_K8
@Watts_Up_K8 Месяц назад
That's a good one! Melrose Place had the goods too 🔥
@jennycono
@jennycono Месяц назад
Oooh good idea. I'm here for that.
@TheMagicalYoshixo
@TheMagicalYoshixo Месяц назад
I mean it really seems like Alyssa was the problem 😂. The fact Rose got on well with Holly and Shannon, and that problems still arised after Shannon's departure says it all.
@justabruin
@justabruin Месяц назад
Yeah but go ask the girls of Jawbreaker. They just did a 25th anniversary screening and they basically said Rose wasn't that nice lol. It seems like everyone had egos on this set
@LyricSnowe
@LyricSnowe Месяц назад
@@justabruinits almost as if a cast of mostly women (back in the day) was doomed. so much infighting and stress that comes from being women in an industry that treats them badly/unfairly
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 22 дня назад
@@LyricSnowethis
@KiboSanti
@KiboSanti Месяц назад
Someday you're going to make one of these about Supernatural and no amount of preparation will leave me ready 😭😂
@geekyhive
@geekyhive Месяц назад
IKR! But I can't remember THESE MANY problems going on on Supernatural's BTS tho
@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee
@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee Месяц назад
@@geekyhiveyeah, charmed has a lot more going on, especially considering all the loopholes lol
@1LadyM7
@1LadyM7 Месяц назад
We all know that would be a 10 minute video about how awesome that environment was and 9 of which would just be about Dean.
@KariN-or3sc
@KariN-or3sc Месяц назад
Wait, what?!?! I thought SPN fam was the best?? Other than Crowley, I never heard anything about in fighting??
@renataramos3658
@renataramos3658 Месяц назад
As far as I see, Supernatural FANDOM has a lot of issues, but the environment on set with J2 and the cast was one of the best
@RoseThePhoenix
@RoseThePhoenix Месяц назад
It really sounds to me like when Alyssa said "fire Shannen or I walk," they should have let her walk.
@KirtBean
@KirtBean Месяц назад
I think if it was “fire Shannon and I’ll walk” they would’ve let her walk but she threatened pursuing legal action, I think that’s where the issue came in.
@Red1Green2Blue3
@Red1Green2Blue3 Месяц назад
This is such a simplistic view and shows you know nothing about how shows work. If there was NOTHING wrong on Shannon's end there'd have been no way that Alyssa would have been able to make such a threat.
@roskana
@roskana Месяц назад
​@Red1Green2Blue3 that's what I say also. I think they were both problematic, just one a little bit than the other and the producers took advantage of the situation with Alyssa to get rid of Shannon. RIP Shannon.
@sugarfree9921
@sugarfree9921 Месяц назад
​@Red1Green2Blue3 so much of this. People love to blame Alyssa for almost everything that went wrong with the show and put Shannen on this "perfection" podium. I believe both had their "drama" moments, but I do have to say Shannen had prior similar issues while for Alyssa I haven't heard anything like this before or after Charmed. Also regarding the money she was demanding and the wardrobe and such if a different actress would do the same in today's day and age she'd be seen as strong and independent and demanding what she is due. Funny how easily perceptions can be manipulated.
@RoseThePhoenix
@RoseThePhoenix Месяц назад
@@sugarfree9921 I never watched the show or followed the drama at the time. I'm basing this opinion on the apparent aftermath, where another star threatened to leave and a creator did leave. But sure, "people" just want to blame Alyssa for no reason I guess. ETA, also, Rose McGowan has some serious beef with Alyssa to this day, so saying no one has taken issue with her (publicly) is patently false.
@lolalalia4119
@lolalalia4119 Месяц назад
I think part of why the general audience thought shannon may have been the problem is cuz their character started the series with a grudge against Phoebe. She plays brooding, deep emotions really well whereas Alyssa was playing up the free-spirit fun character with Holly being the mediator. As the audience, we often apply their character traits to the real human actor. Like with Topher Grace. I ALWAYS thought he kinda suked because I couldnt stand Eric but had a crush on Hyde. Needless to say, I'm totaly team Topher now 😂 THIS is the video I've been waiting for!! Thank you!! Huge Charmed fan despite the cliff fall ❤
@audreyb1269
@audreyb1269 Месяц назад
Shannen also had a bad reputation from 90210, where she had already been pitted against Jenny Garth. I remember that even before Charmed started and her name was put forward, people expected her to be a diva and unsufferable. So yes, when her character turned out to be the "buzzkill" sister, a lot of people (me included) made the bad mental connection that she was probably "the" problem actress on this set. The interesting thing is that we always try to find one culprit, when more often than not, it's a generalized toxic environment.
@lolalalia4119
@lolalalia4119 Месяц назад
@@audreyb1269 so right on that! I am definitely guilty for falling into the parasocial relationship trap of blurring the stage with real life based on the front page of supermarket tabloids 😂 I know my juvenile mind would treat the grocery store register line like my chance to catch on world events and alien impregnations 😂
@thephalange8630
@thephalange8630 Месяц назад
I didn't like Alyssa, even as a kid, I saw through it. BUT THAT 70S, SAAAAAME XD Eric annoyed the living sh*t out of me and biggest crush on Hyde, now that I'm older I actually find Erics character really funny xD
@charliekezza
@charliekezza Месяц назад
Between Shannon's reputation and the fact she was the one who was fired I thought she was the problem too and was firmly team Alyssa
@marklola12
@marklola12 Месяц назад
No its because Shannon was a known problem on all shows she was in even 90210
@Michelle_LeEtt
@Michelle_LeEtt Месяц назад
I’ve been waiting for this. As a baby millennial with a Gen X mom, I grew up on Charmed! It was one of my favorite shows. Prue and Piper are by far my favorite. Rest in peace, Shannon. She deserved so much better.
@Tamara-mm7us
@Tamara-mm7us Месяц назад
@Michelle_LeEtt, I love your comment! I had my babies when I was rather young. They grew up on Charmed, Buffy, and Dark Angel. Even now, we’ll binge watch Charmed on holiday breaks. Yes, Shannon deserved better. May she rest in peace. ♥️
@Zombie_James92
@Zombie_James92 Месяц назад
I think the show would have been better if Prue was the one that survived and Phoebe was killed off. I think Prue, Piper, and Page would have fit way better together.
@devojka3721
@devojka3721 Месяц назад
Of course maybe this will happen in a paralel universe one day with fixed injustice I want to see that. Alyssa stayed because of her sexy and vulgar behaviour 🙄 She can't be compared with Shannen...
@jmatt4679
@jmatt4679 Месяц назад
If it wasn't for Piper and Leo's relationship I would have stopped watching when Shannon left Phoebe was just so annoying
@MashaPan45
@MashaPan45 Месяц назад
I stopped watching Charmed after Shannon Doherty was let go. Alyssa was the problem with this show, and they should've her go instead.
@esbenm6544
@esbenm6544 Месяц назад
Shannon Doherty was always the problem, on every show she's been in.
@MashaPan45
@MashaPan45 Месяц назад
@esbenm6544 If that was the case after she was let go, everything on set would have been perfect if Shannon Doherty was the only problem.
@PixieDusted72
@PixieDusted72 Месяц назад
They were both problematic & clashed.
@ashleighbowyer8959
@ashleighbowyer8959 Месяц назад
I think it’s very naive to say Alyssa was the problem. I definitely think it was a mixture of all of them.
@lilchicklets
@lilchicklets Месяц назад
@@esbenm6544 Tiffany Amber-Thiessan begs to differ that Shannen was THE only problem.
@PittsburghSportsFan43
@PittsburghSportsFan43 Месяц назад
22-26 episodes per season used to be the norm for most shows. It's only in recent history they've cut that down to 6-10, which is just horrendous. Charmed, Buffy, The X Files, Hercules, Xena, CSI, etc. All had at least 22 episodes per year. And you could go back to the 70s and 80s and see the same. MASH, The Jeffersons, The Golden Girls, Three's Company, etc. This shortened season trend is very recent. My dream Charmed scenario would be Alyssa and Brad leaving at the end of season 3, Constance and Shannen staying, and Rose/Paige coming in as Alyssa's/Phoebe's replacement.
@cari_esta
@cari_esta 29 дней назад
The drastic cut after the first major writer's strike.
@fc7307
@fc7307 19 дней назад
My ideal Charmed scenario would be Shannen and Constance staying and Alyssa never being cast as Phoebe. The 6-8 episode per season nowadays is due to streaming since their business model is different. Without commercials (product placements don't count) there are limited ways to earn aside from subscriber fees.
@tomatosoup4618
@tomatosoup4618 Месяц назад
I remember watching Charmed for the first time and wondering why everything was so "sexy" when it came to Alyssa Milano's character. Always in something skimpy and relationship problems after relationship problems. I wanted it to be about the sisters. The showrunners didn't after season 3
@BozeDoesGodsWork
@BozeDoesGodsWork Месяц назад
That’s because that was part of Phoebe’s appeal. She was sensual, free spirited, feminine, and wild. Pretty much a fashionable cool girl with street smarts. No different from Fran Fine in “The Nanny”. This was the early 2000’s and each of the girls were progressive in their own ways. Phoebe was just the hyperfeminine one who could kick ass which was the thing that drew me into the show.
@Bunny11344
@Bunny11344 Месяц назад
cause she’s like Jennifer Lopez aka jho. Had to be centre of attention
@Lapislazuli_36
@Lapislazuli_36 Месяц назад
Yeah, they've all said that the network was making them dress in skimpier and skimpier clothes. I wouldn't blame that on Alyssa lol
@tananarivou123
@tananarivou123 Месяц назад
If you look at the show after who is the boss her Characters were really sexy and sexual. It was said she wanted to do this so people don't think of her as "Samantha". But seeing how she kiss some of her costard (look at Mel rose Place) I think there is something a little bit dodgy about her.
@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee
@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee Месяц назад
I mean, even the little mermaid was inspired by a young Alyssa from what I recall. Once Constance left, the sexualisation just grew out of control
@mjgiani3944
@mjgiani3944 Месяц назад
It’s just strange that if Shannen was really a problem on all the shows she was in, then why did Aaron Spelling worked with her in Charmed after the “issues she caused” on Beverly Hills? I would assume he would wanted distance from her after that, no? Also Holly Marie seems such a sweet person, would she sided with Shannen had she been a bully? What about Rose? Till the end they kept their friendship with Shannen but not Alyssa, was Shannen really that problematic? Just wondering. Mind you at the time I sided with Alyssa with all the PR they put out. Now I wonder…
@samleexvii
@samleexvii Месяц назад
Finally, a video tailored to my niche little autistic interests… 👏 when I was younger (10-12), I used to watch charmed on loop. I had the DVD box set, and I’d watch every episode from Season 1 through Season 8 sequentially. When I got to the end of the show, I’d start back at Season 1.
@coffeeandcults
@coffeeandcults Месяц назад
I feel this 100%!
@Darkervibes
@Darkervibes Месяц назад
I still do this with Buffy charmed supernatural angel over and over and over since childhood.. friends and community too I call them my comfort shows
@jamieleeharrison
@jamieleeharrison Месяц назад
That was me with my Smallville box set, another WB classic!
@MacabreQt888
@MacabreQt888 Месяц назад
Supernatural and Buffy are mine. Buffy and Angel especially when life be lifin…
@rue...whenwasthis
@rue...whenwasthis Месяц назад
same.
@la.reine.zairoise51
@la.reine.zairoise51 26 дней назад
Imagine being too jealous, you actually get another coworker fired. That's sick!!
@fc7307
@fc7307 19 дней назад
Shannen was fired from 90210 by Tori Spelling. Rumor has it that she went to her dad Aaron Spelling and personally requested it since it got so bad with her there. I imagine Shannen and Alyssa together was so toxic its was nuclear.
@lyndsaybrown8471
@lyndsaybrown8471 11 дней назад
That's narcissists for you.
@SimplymeSVEN18
@SimplymeSVEN18 4 дня назад
Ironically, Shannen was the one who tried to get Alyssa fired first...
@felinetherapy4782
@felinetherapy4782 Месяц назад
I liked Charmed but stop watching after the early seasons. Wonder what it would have been like if Shannon had stayed.
@steffymuze
@steffymuze Месяц назад
Same
@leelaa219
@leelaa219 Месяц назад
Better for sure. 🥲
@fantomaorgasma5906
@fantomaorgasma5906 Месяц назад
Shannen, not Shannon
@Pumpkinz333
@Pumpkinz333 Месяц назад
I think about this too often
@york9730
@york9730 Месяц назад
100% Better.
@berlinmendez3021
@berlinmendez3021 17 дней назад
It’s just seems like Milano had a problem with everyone.
@ivanka4lickova
@ivanka4lickova Месяц назад
i was always on Shannen's side tbh but maybe it was just because I felt bad she got killed off the the show🙈 with how big the show got, maybe Alyssa did have a point with how much Shannen was uplifted compared to the other two but it's also true that it picked up a lot of traction solely because Shannen was casted also r.i.p shannen🕊
@Lapislazuli_36
@Lapislazuli_36 Месяц назад
Shannen had issues on every set she was on
@tessax
@tessax Месяц назад
@Lapislazuli can you come up with something new, it’s getting old
@Insomniac1985
@Insomniac1985 Месяц назад
The show was what it was because of Prue, she was the main character. Its like killing off buffy on her show.
@Lapislazuli_36
@Lapislazuli_36 Месяц назад
@@tessax yeah, this feud was as old as those "excuses" which they're not excuses. They should've let it go.
@cari_esta
@cari_esta 29 дней назад
@@Lapislazuli_36 No, Shannen was smeared. You sound so ignorant spouting that.
@Annejali
@Annejali Месяц назад
54:18 it’s a rabbit hole and it’s honestly impressive how much evidence Rose McGowan collected before she made moves during the me too movement. I honestly thought she started the movement. It would be really interesting to see you do a deep dive on it now.
@lorrieissman7182
@lorrieissman7182 Месяц назад
Another great video that kept me up past my bedtime. I always look forward to your deep dives. RIP Shannon. Thank you Ash Silver.
@coffeeandcults
@coffeeandcults Месяц назад
Thanks so much as always Lorri! You’re awesome 😘
@rainewhylde
@rainewhylde Месяц назад
It sounds to me like there was a lot of toxicity from the crew, as well as the toxicity between cast members so it feels really disingenuous to say that either Shannen or Alyssa were solely the problem, or even to say that together they were the sole problem. It seems like there was a lot of behind the scenes goings on in terms of playing with characters relationships to wind up cast members etc from the crew was a big part in a lot of things and I seem to recall someone saying something about how Alyssa wasn’t happy about Prue being pushed as the very central character in the earlier seasons which didn’t help, but as was also pointed out, there was a lot of that for Phoebe’s character after Shannen was gone and Alyssa seemed okay with that, so who knows. I also feel that they did Phoebe’s character dirty in the end. They went in with this family feud type story where Phoebe was considered almost “the problem child” type for having gone against the grain and not finishing education/college and moving away and flipping from job to job until she comes home in a time of need and they bond over discovering their heritage essentially rather than just from being forced to live together again, and Phoebe grows as a person and as a sister and they all three grow as sisters, just for Phoebe to end the show looking a bit shallow and self centred in the sense that she’s putting her journey to find love and have the baby she saw in her vision before everything to the point of almost looking desperate, and it doesn’t strike me as something she would have done in the earlier years. I know this is a character on a screen and I know people often change their path in life and the person they are can change with it, but as a story of someone redeeming themselves it didn’t feel right. All this stuff about Brad Kern that’s said in this video being more skimpy outfit and love life drama concerned makes that make more sense to me now. It left the last season come to quite the anticlimactic end, but thankfully the way they show the last section of the last episode where they age, makes it still a nice end to it. It has a good feeling about the ending because you see the happy ending for them and see grandma Piper and grandpa Leo at the end with their grandkids reading the Book of Shadows. At the end of the day, for all the troubles they had on and off screen, they all did very well to make a show for so long that so many people loved. Thats my take on it all anyway.
@jsanto210
@jsanto210 Месяц назад
That's kind of the thing; there are people, multiple one off guests, who said the main actresses were difficult to work with or plain mean
@CrisOnTheInternet
@CrisOnTheInternet Месяц назад
I want to put my experience here, I'm Latin American, meaning I watched Charmed dubbed in Spanish in mid to late 00's and I was a teenager. I didn't know anything about the cast, to me all of them were strangers, so it crushed my heart when Prue died. To me there was no context (this was before I had access to internet) as to why they killed Prue, it was hard to accept but years later when I found out the reason I made peace with the fact that actors are not their characters, everything can be faked.
@Bunny11344
@Bunny11344 Месяц назад
That’s why they’re called actors they’re acting lol
@CrisOnTheInternet
@CrisOnTheInternet Месяц назад
@@Bunny11344 I was referring to the relationship between actors in a show.
@dani01949
@dani01949 Месяц назад
Uy, uando terminó la 3a temporada, ¡reiniciaron la serie en TV Azteca!! Fue una de mis grandes frstraciones de infancia, nunca pasaron la 4a temporada :(.
@Bunny11344
@Bunny11344 Месяц назад
@@CrisOnTheInternet ya and they’re doing their jobs right doing a good job of acting and hiding all the drama behind closed doors
@CrisOnTheInternet
@CrisOnTheInternet Месяц назад
@@dani01949 ahora que lo dices creo que me pasó lo mismo, tardó un rato en que dieran la cuarta temporada, en realidad yo la terminé de ver completa después de que la descargué y hace unos años la volví a ver en Netflix.
@Psshyeahbby
@Psshyeahbby Месяц назад
when you said “it’s taboo to kiss with tongue” i IMMEDIATELY knew you would reference phoebe kissing cole my ex and i would watch the show and i would actually yell at the TV bc it drove me crazy the way alyssa’s tongue would leave her mouth before they’ve even kissed?! bizarrrreeee
@marishkaspirit
@marishkaspirit Месяц назад
I couldn't watch the show after Prue died. It just wasn't the same, and let's be honest most of us were there because Shannon was so popular from Beverly show. I beleive Alyssa was backed up by more powerful people in the industry, such as the very problematic Weinstiein. Was no secret she was supported by him.
@ptolemeeselenion1542
@ptolemeeselenion1542 Месяц назад
Yep.
@lilchicklets
@lilchicklets Месяц назад
Alyssa is married to a CA agent. They are extremely powerful in Hollywood.
@lunatic5162
@lunatic5162 Месяц назад
Never liked Alyssa1s acting or her character. She was the mean girl, not shocking
@aaliyahlovato
@aaliyahlovato Месяц назад
I actually watched the show for Rose, big fan of hers.
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 Месяц назад
@@aaliyahlovatoMe too! I liked the Doom Generation and other things she was in and was happy when she was in this show!
@rianna_banana
@rianna_banana Месяц назад
The way Alyssa is talking about Shannon’s boyfriend is killing me. I would be irate
@ethanf6136
@ethanf6136 Месяц назад
Julian was married during that time so it was more like an affair
@umokay5516
@umokay5516 Месяц назад
Did I watch Charmed? No. Will I watch any deep dive on this channel? Yes!
@Ghostflowers
@Ghostflowers Месяц назад
Right? I might watch it now, though.
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 Месяц назад
@@GhostflowersIt’s so cheesy, you should do it.
@pardonmybumbershoot5085
@pardonmybumbershoot5085 Месяц назад
Was just about to make the same comment 😅
@JohnathanTuya
@JohnathanTuya Месяц назад
I only watch it before school everyday on tnt. But I completely lost interest after they killed off prue. I thought it was disrespectful to fans as well. Never finished n or had interest in continuing it.
@HyuugaHinatachan1221
@HyuugaHinatachan1221 Месяц назад
me lol never seen a single episode but i love drama haha
@fessedelynx9245
@fessedelynx9245 19 дней назад
This is a reel shock for me for a lot of reasons. The biggest is, when Shannon Doherty was let go, the tabloids in France said it was because she was drinking on set and they were forced to fired her. I was a child but I remember everyone said that. I’m 30 now, and I learn it was lies. I feel profoundly sorry for Shannon. She was not the person the media try to portray.
@ChelsAly
@ChelsAly Месяц назад
Shannen Doherty sounded like a beautiful person. Rest in peace. She deserved so much better 💔 I would love a Harvey Weinstein, Rose McGowan video!
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Месяц назад
Oh great idea
@ashleemckeehan3708
@ashleemckeehan3708 Месяц назад
My best friend met Shannon multiple times and has said nothing but positive things and had great experiences meeting her.
@JaiProdz
@JaiProdz Месяц назад
Big fan of Rose's film work...but I preferred Shannen Doherty on the show. I don't like Charmed past mid season 5. It just felt so light and silly and I really enjoyed the darker aspects of season 3 and 4. Continuity has always been an issue in the Charmed world but they threw so much out of the door after Prue died.
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Месяц назад
I absolutely love seasons 3 and 4 they totally were the darkest seasons ❤❤
@JaiProdz
@JaiProdz Месяц назад
@@angelaholmes8888 I was initially so surprised as a teen watching S4 for the first time because of how dark it was!
@juankirby1616
@juankirby1616 Месяц назад
Exactly my sentiments
@aaliyahlovato
@aaliyahlovato Месяц назад
5-8 weren’t always light & silly, they had dark moments in them. just like how 1-4 had silly campy comedic moments in them.
@fantomaorgasma5906
@fantomaorgasma5906 Месяц назад
Alyssa Milano was solely responsible for every drama among the cast and for Shannen's departure.
@alchemyanni
@alchemyanni Месяц назад
Were you there? There's no way of knowing how things actually happened. Too many people involved, too much time has passed, two of the lead actresses were best friends before the show, by now one of them is dead, etc.
@fantomaorgasma5906
@fantomaorgasma5906 Месяц назад
@@alchemyanni LOL! There's actually plenty of ways of knowing how things actually happened since Shannen, before passing away, confirmed everything, along with Holly and Rose, during some of Shannen's podcast episodes and also in group interviews they did together. None of them wanted to work with Alyssa again. Case closed.
@ethanf6136
@ethanf6136 Месяц назад
@@fantomaorgasma5906so many crew members and extras and guest stars have defended Alyssa and many of them have claim Shannen being a problem. You can’t just put the blame on one person if there’s many evidence of all four of them being an issue
@fantomaorgasma5906
@fantomaorgasma5906 Месяц назад
@@ethanf6136 LOL! There's not a single crew member or extra or guest star who actually ever sincerely defended Alyssa because EVERYONE firmly stated the only real problem was Alyssa. And yes, we can easily just put the blame on one person since only one person was causing problems as there is no evidence at all regarding all four of them being an issue.
@ethanf6136
@ethanf6136 Месяц назад
@@fantomaorgasma5906 lol, literally there are guest stars, crew and crew members saying Shannen or Rose was rude to them You can go to Alyssa post about the megacon and many guest stars, crew and extras defending Alyssa You can’t put the blame on one person cuz even Holly stated that there were no angels or demons and everyone played a role in the drama either it’s the actress or the producers even Shannen stated that producers wanted to split them so it can be easier to control them
@BlackThoughtTheOverLord
@BlackThoughtTheOverLord Месяц назад
With all the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni drama, I was thinking to myself "wouldn't that be a great video for Coffee & Cults to cover" and to my surprise this video dropped a few minutes ago (albeit about a very different drama). This is going to be a very interesting video.
@ptolemeeselenion1542
@ptolemeeselenion1542 Месяц назад
Blake?
@BlackThoughtTheOverLord
@BlackThoughtTheOverLord Месяц назад
@ptolemeeselenion1542 Yeah I was thinking about the recent drama regarding Blake Lively and thought this channel would be great if it did a video and then I saw that released a new video today ( on a totally different subject). It was those one of those weird moments (me thinking about channels videos) and then a new video appeared.
@SeannaTucker
@SeannaTucker Месяц назад
I was thinking it would be a good video, too! Feels like you've got a lot of angles there -- Blake, Ryan, Taylor Swift, Colleen Hoover, Romance Books, Booktok, *whew* it's a lot.
@lunatic5162
@lunatic5162 Месяц назад
The fact people finally see she was always the mean girl. Q tho, how Ryan is living with her, cause everyone sat he`s a nice person lol
@Lapislazuli_36
@Lapislazuli_36 Месяц назад
​​@@lunatic5162tbh he's sounding kinda controlling with how much he had his hands in 'it ends with us'
@metalfenix
@metalfenix Месяц назад
Team Shannen ALL THE WAY from the very first episode. RIP my dear, you will be remembered. Heh, it seems like a lot of gay guys like myself watched this show from the very first season. Thank you Ash for the vid.
@LokiSerenity
@LokiSerenity Месяц назад
Team Piper all the way.
@bhavanithillai
@bhavanithillai День назад
Me too ❤
@spookie5668
@spookie5668 21 день назад
I agree, Charmed has definitely changed after Shannon was gone!! The storyline was not as good.
@Weezie_TJ_919
@Weezie_TJ_919 Месяц назад
Allyssa Milano had a major kissing scene when she had a "past life" and her and her sisters were cousins and she was an evil witch. I remember seeing that and was like WHOA!!! 😳
@leelaa219
@leelaa219 Месяц назад
Exactly, there was tongue involved. I had that episode taped on VHS :D
@w29n22b27
@w29n22b27 Месяц назад
I thought the same thing! It was uncomfortable to watch. They needed to just get a room!
@Weezie_TJ_919
@Weezie_TJ_919 9 дней назад
@@w29n22b27 Same here! That was a bit TOO MUCH! She REALLY liked her romantic scenes and they were always so awkward but that one was just wow! She enjoyed showing off a bit more than she needed to and that's what kept her at Charmed and not Shannen. Shannen had respect for herself and didn't take any shit from anyone so she bowed out. I always respected her for standing her ground and not going with "popular" choice. My God Alyssa Milano sounds absolutely batshit on "X" trying to pretend she's like one of us in her hypocritical ivory tower. Her tweets are a bit out there. I can't stand her ass! lol
@Darthramp
@Darthramp Месяц назад
RIP Ms. Doherty! You are one year older than me and you were my teenage crush!❤ Much love and respect and you will be missed! P.S. You were a Dime!
@Rachel-xu4br
@Rachel-xu4br Месяц назад
"They literally put him on ice." I shouldn't be laughing this hard so late.
@NatzTalk
@NatzTalk Месяц назад
😂😂😂 they did! This stressed me out so bad...I felt so bad for Piper and I was so angry!!
@blaszizzz
@blaszizzz Месяц назад
Phoebe's character was my favourite for many seasons, not at the end though. I really adored Allyssa for years because of it, especially growing up, but it only shows you there's a lot of narcissism in the entertainment
@susanmorgan1028
@susanmorgan1028 Месяц назад
You are totally right about production not being able to keep stories straight. There was an ENTIRE episode that gave the backstory of how the Halliwell sisters "lost" their powers when they were itty-bitty kids. Adult them were so shocked to see their kid selves using their powers against each other🫣
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Месяц назад
I rewatched that episode it's from the first season 1 good episode
@aaliyahlovato
@aaliyahlovato Месяц назад
Charmed has never been consistent since Day 1. as much as I love the show.
@oliviatocali
@oliviatocali Месяц назад
I could recall incorrectly but wasn't it said that their memory of powers was taken away by Grams?
@NatzTalk
@NatzTalk Месяц назад
Yesssss!!!!!
@NatzTalk
@NatzTalk Месяц назад
@oliviatocali yes. She sealed their powers
@heatherlewis4535
@heatherlewis4535 Месяц назад
I am 54. Never watched Charmed and I am here till the end. You do such a great job on your videos!! Love all your research and your wave of weaving it all together.
@coffeeandcults
@coffeeandcults Месяц назад
Thank you Heather! You’re the absolute best! Really appreciate the support lovely 💜
@ace-of-bats
@ace-of-bats Месяц назад
Me: How shall I keep myself busy until my DoorDash gets here? Ash: ✨ {uploads video at that exact moment} ✨
@marynewsom6037
@marynewsom6037 Месяц назад
Literally same tho 😂
@bweb6
@bweb6 22 дня назад
All the media documentaries and profiles i've read about Charmed over the years seem to indicate Alyssa was a problem on that show; she thought herself to be a big star and that entitled her to be rewarded/treated accordingly.
@seana_momsen
@seana_momsen Месяц назад
I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT ABOUT ALLISON PREGLER. YOU HAVE DONE YOUR RESEARCH. The horrendous trajectory that Charmed went through post season 4 is heartbreaking. I love Allison ripping in on the bad writing, Alyssa's bad character and Holly's too. Thank you for sharing Allison's videos.
@stephanieok5365
@stephanieok5365 Месяц назад
I love Thanks Colebama and the grouching Halliwell voice, usually deployed to yell at Leo. 😂
@southernbellereviews5920
@southernbellereviews5920 Месяц назад
I watch those too, so hilarious
@ActuallyDoubleGuitars
@ActuallyDoubleGuitars Месяц назад
I loved hearing the Allison Pregler shout out to, really enjoyed her charmed videos and impressions of Piper and Phoebe.
@ryantoussaint4619
@ryantoussaint4619 19 дней назад
I discovered Alison’s videos earlier this year. Literally stumbled on to them by accident and watched every single one from season 1 all the way through to season 10. I am a Charmed stan forever. However, Alison’s video have me DYING!!! 😂😂😂😂 Sooo funny and so true! Charmed deserved so much better!
@InLoveWithaPaladin
@InLoveWithaPaladin 7 дней назад
Allison's videos are so great!. I was glad her videos were mentioned here.
@InnateNobility
@InnateNobility Месяц назад
Alyssa is a narcissist who got jealous of Shannen. Both are/were talented, but for Alyssa, there could only be one. The two of them have strong personalities and screen presence, it was not going to work long-term because of that.
@roseinthestorm18
@roseinthestorm18 Месяц назад
I'll always be grateful for the first three seasons of Charmed. I was eleven when I discovered the show and wanted sisters so badly! I always imagined Charmed is what my life would be like if I had them! Like we'd all live in a giant fancy house with a chandelier that would flicker ominously whenever Serious Shit was about to go down! We'd argue, run nightclubs, and blow up demons together by reciting bad poetry XD I'm so glad I didn't know about any of the behind the scenes drama back then. It was sad enough watching the show go downhill. I feel bad saying that, because I swear I still love Paige. I thought they did a great job incorporating her, even though I hated Prue's absence. But the constant skimpy-outfit-of-the-week got so freaking old and none of the heart was there anymore. But at least those first three seasons were my life goals back in the day, hahaha. And nowadays I find all of the behind the scenes stuff so interesting!
@lynngatrell7965
@lynngatrell7965 Месяц назад
Your cat sleeping there really cracks me up.😄 "Is she still talking?" I busted up laughing.😆🤣😆🤣
@KFd-um3qv
@KFd-um3qv Месяц назад
Another A+ video. The depth of research that you invest in each of your videos is enormously impressive, not to mention your exceptional presentation style.
@coffeeandcults
@coffeeandcults Месяц назад
Thank you so much lovely, needed to read this comment right now as Ms G & I are working on the next video & I always panic at this stage & the last few days before I publish 😂 Thanks for the kind words & for watching ! 🥰
@tananarivou123
@tananarivou123 Месяц назад
In the later season I felt like Alyssa Milano turned into Carrie Bradshaw from sex and thé city
@queenb7013
@queenb7013 Месяц назад
I need a whole tell all book about the behind the scenes drama of this show
@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee
@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee Месяц назад
I feel like Shannen might have actually tried working on one.
@Georgia7Pap
@Georgia7Pap Месяц назад
Shannen talked on her podcast about the reason she was fired from 90210. She was married to an abusive drug addict. Because of that she would often be late on set. She didn't tell anyone not even her costars who she was really close. After that firing she was very hesitant to do charmed because it was Aaron Spelling again. I'm surprised that you didn't mention the guest appearance that Holly and Alyssa did in Grey's anatomy playing sisters again. What i find hard to believe is why Holly stayed for 5 more years if they blackmailed her. I would understand an one or two year contract but she couldn't find a way to get out for 5 mire seasons?
@devojka3721
@devojka3721 Месяц назад
I agree,I think she wasn't the real friend of Shannen she continued to work 5 more seasons too much
@TotallyDolls
@TotallyDolls Месяц назад
It sounds like Alyssa was the one who ruined Charmed. If she had beef with Shannen and Rose, then she is the common denominator. She should have been the one to be let go.
@Red1Green2Blue3
@Red1Green2Blue3 Месяц назад
@@ethanf6136 Correct, Holly too has changed her story multiple times. That's why I don't really believe anything they say. It's very opportunistic the way they tell/bring up their stories.
@cloudburstlia456
@cloudburstlia456 19 дней назад
God Alyssa sounds so jealous of Shannen. Alyssa was in my opinion always the weakest on the cast even after Shannen left and was replaced by Rose. I really wonder if this show would have gone in a completely different direction and stayed more true to Constance vision if Alyssa had been the one that left.
@na0mii.c
@na0mii.c Месяц назад
Charmed being my childhood to adulthood I’m scared of watching this but also interested. Also, RIP Shannen 😢
@samanthapadgett2594
@samanthapadgett2594 Месяц назад
I’m not disputing that Alyssa was jealous of Shannon that could very well be the case what I will say is that a network doesn’t green light a show concept and hire supporting actresses because of the promise of a lead to then fire her when another supporting actress says “it’s her or me”. There is no world where Arron or The WB fired Shannon solely because Alyssa gave an ultimatum, if anything they would have fired Alyssa for the threat especially bc they had already replaced the youngest sister character twice before the show even aired. RIP to Shannon and I’m not here to say if she was a good person or not bc I don’t know her but there has to be other reasons why she was fired, there’s no way Alyssa had that kind of pull especially considering Holy threatened to leave after Shannon was fired. It would have been waaaay easier for Aaron to fire Alyssa if that was really the situation.
@aquachonk
@aquachonk Месяц назад
Oh, you sweet summer child. Lawsuit = bad press = show funding being pulled from big money sources. Alyssa was threatening their profits by playing the long game.
@samanthapadgett2594
@samanthapadgett2594 Месяц назад
@@aquachonk I’m not saying Alyssa didn’t threaten it (I don’t believe she did but that’s just my opinion) I’m saying if she did that couldn’t have been the only reason. Litigation isn’t good for shows I’ll give you that but I’m sure the case could have settled quick with a hefty sum since the alleged premise of the threat was that Shannon was making “so much more money”
@Chase262
@Chase262 Месяц назад
@@samanthapadgett2594 I 100% agree with you. It seems that people are getting their pitchforks out and attacking Alyssa Milano. Shannon Doherty had a bad reputation with other TV shows before and after Charmed. I loved her anyway. I liked her on 90210. One thing I hope everyone remembers is that there’s no perfect person. There might’ve been petty things going on and each of them had negative things they did… and positive things they did. These are just human beings and I don’t think it’s right to demonize any of the actresses. I loved the show. I watched it when it was on the air and I’ve rewatched it again a few times after it came to streaming. My favorite character was always Piper, but they were all terrific in their own way.
@pinagrrrr2280
@pinagrrrr2280 28 дней назад
Totally agree. Unless Weinstein was backing her up.
@haxan_3567
@haxan_3567 Месяц назад
The first three seasons were really cool, I would argue even season 4 was ok, but it really dropped off for me after Shannen Doherty left the show. I remember seeing it a few years later and being amazed it was still on air.
@andreaobaez864
@andreaobaez864 Месяц назад
Everyone was dating everyone else. That's just ASKING for drama. I will say one thing- I distinctly remember how, after Ted King was written off in the 1st season finale, the blame was put squarely on Shannon.
@kianabrash
@kianabrash Месяц назад
NGL- the OG show lost me at magic school. It WAS a totally different show...
@sendhelp6537
@sendhelp6537 Месяц назад
Same, I couldn't watch those last seasons. Magic school was so disjointed and I couldn't like Billy.
@annanz0118
@annanz0118 Месяц назад
The magic school could have been OK if it became a major part of the series but instead it only was present in episodes that needed it and was ignored in the rest (majority) of the episodes. The writing just didn't flow from season 5 onwards.
@Sandrilyonaify
@Sandrilyonaify Месяц назад
This feels like the case of "everybody sucks". Too bad there aren't any specifics of what happened on the sets day to day.
@leannewalker1422
@leannewalker1422 Месяц назад
12:16am Scottish time. It’s bedtime but coffee and cults just posted an hour and a half juicy video. ❤
@YllibD
@YllibD Месяц назад
Hail neighbour I'm from Glasgow 😁
@sezcam79
@sezcam79 Месяц назад
inverness 😂
@leannewalker1422
@leannewalker1422 Месяц назад
@@sezcam79 Really!!! I love Inverness it’s a beautiful place. Aberdeen here 😘
@eileenhiggins8620
@eileenhiggins8620 Месяц назад
Paisley ❤❤
@bunbun2532
@bunbun2532 Месяц назад
Im giving you props luckily I'm listening to this at work
@societycrumbles
@societycrumbles Месяц назад
So cool you gave Allison Pregler a shout out! I've been watching her since 2010 and her Charmed breakdowns are some of my favorite stuff she's done, so funny too!
@EastSide-qc5oy
@EastSide-qc5oy Месяц назад
They were all problematic, including Alyssa AND Shannen.
@Red1Green2Blue3
@Red1Green2Blue3 Месяц назад
I agree, they were all responsible for the behaviour at the time. That said Shannon kept bringing it back up years after it happened which was unnecessary imo. Also it's clear that Holly is a flip-flopper whose story changed throughout the years and was dependant on who she was friends with at the time.
@gillianomeagher1221
@gillianomeagher1221 29 дней назад
@@Red1Green2Blue3 It might seem "unnecessary" to you but Shannen was the one who lost the show, and pretty much lost her career trajectory. Alyssa didn't bring it up because she got to stay and it didn't impact the rest of her career.
@Red1Green2Blue3
@Red1Green2Blue3 28 дней назад
@@gillianomeagher1221 Remaining bitter for 20+ years is unnecessary, as was Holly's behaviour. Holly actually is the most childish out of all them.
@gillianomeagher1221
@gillianomeagher1221 28 дней назад
@@Red1Green2Blue3 I would never be so arrogant as to decide for another person if their behaviour is "bitter" or "unnecessary", given the impact on their life, and the fact they were not allowed their voice for many years. How condescending and presumptuous.
@Red1Green2Blue3
@Red1Green2Blue3 28 дней назад
@@gillianomeagher1221 You judge people's behaviour every day of your life. You just judged me to be arrogant, presumptuous , and condescending because I don't agree with you. You're a hypocrite and a liar.
@tananarivou123
@tananarivou123 Месяц назад
When Alyssa Milano made the ultimatum. The products had a choice and they could have choose to say, well stop this non sense and go to work as she had no real argument to win the law suit but I think they wanted to get rid of Shannen because she was annoying them.
@pinagrrrr2280
@pinagrrrr2280 28 дней назад
I think so. Only real reason might be she had Weinstein on board.
@MrTraherne
@MrTraherne День назад
I'm not sure I buy the ultimatum narrative either. It would have made AM unhireable - who would cast her in anything if she actually went ahead and sued the network over this? This was long before Me Too, women were blacklisted for a lot less.
@carschmn
@carschmn Месяц назад
9:07 as people get older, memories fade and people recontextualize them
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 Месяц назад
Or they said something for promo because it was in their contract and it is different once the job is over or they have done other things.
@mswifeycatlady7583
@mswifeycatlady7583 Месяц назад
My mum absolutely loved Charmed and Buffy etc so I was raised on these shows and looking back, I can absolutely see the change in the show when it was twisted into a ‘male gaze only’ show. It’s gross what was done to a show that had so much amazing potential
@LokiSerenity
@LokiSerenity Месяц назад
I remember at the time it felt like Shannon was the bag guy and the problem, while Alyssa was a favorite. I was team Piper from the get doe.
@Lapislazuli_36
@Lapislazuli_36 Месяц назад
Holly was an issue too tho. She was always flip flopping between Alyssa & Shannen. I just think she's weird & there's something off with her especially if you watch their podcast, she got mad at Brian for dating Alyssa. She's also the only one who brings them dating up any chance she gets.
@erisollsprite3157
@erisollsprite3157 Месяц назад
Hi Alyssa ​@@Lapislazuli_36
@roskana
@roskana Месяц назад
Maybe because she also was a bad guy? Why people want so much to believe there is a good side and a bad side? What if both were bad?
@appleish5043
@appleish5043 Месяц назад
Haha, yes, that 150th episode. When Cole came back, I was rolling my eyes, because I thought here we go, we are going to have to deal with the all over the place love story between phoebe and Cole. But within the first minute, Cole is like not here for phoebe, and proceed to not interact with her at all, I’m like wow 😮 what is happening?! Did they hear our cries about we are so over their love story? Now the truth came out 🤣 good for him 🤣 even more respect for him (I didn’t like his character much back then, was more into Leo 😅)
@godpristine
@godpristine Месяц назад
charmed was (and still is) one of my fav shows of all time. Piper and Prue were always my favorites and while Paige was cool, i always wonder what could’ve been has Shannen got to be on longer. when i rewatch it always feels too fast when she dies. Cole is what kept me watching for so long, but truly Phoebe tanks it and makes it hard to rewatch. it’s like you said, when you notice it turn into the Phoebe show you can’t unsee it. i didn’t know about the behind the scenes drama until your WB video and this one, and it’s devastating to know Shannen was basically pushed out. it’s hard not to give you a bad taste in your mouth about Alyssa. especially learning the possibility her salary led to some of my favs like Leo and Darryl not being on the show as much if not at all. overall despite everything, this show will always have a massive place in my heart. amazing video as always, PS: please make a Grey’s one 😂
@nihilismistheonlyway4680
@nihilismistheonlyway4680 Месяц назад
Idk about anyone else but i noticed a huge change in direction after Shannen left... its more fluff, sappy storylines, girls over s**ualized, etc... something in me thinks shannen was fighting with production team about keeping show with integrity. It would've been super easy and sensationalistic if they just made up rumors that shannen was fighting with alyssa. Look how the public ate it up. Just makes so much sense to me!
@nikki5980
@nikki5980 Месяц назад
Holly and Alyssa guest starred on Grey's as two sisters who have a sister in the hospital.....
@Lapislazuli_36
@Lapislazuli_36 Месяц назад
Holly was always flip flopping between the Shannen & Alyssa. Rose was also great friends with Alyssa till the metoo movement. Like, idk why ppl bring up rose calling Alyssa's husband put when rose was praising Alyssa's whole family including her husband for years till the whole metoo drama happened.
@Craigy2818
@Craigy2818 Месяц назад
​@@Lapislazuli_36What's weird is how Rose had been "informed" that Alyssa was bad before joining and was, automatically, biased.
@maryjomichele
@maryjomichele Месяц назад
Holly and Shannen also stopped speaking for quite a while. I was shocked when they suddenly reconciled with no explanation
@pinagrrrr2280
@pinagrrrr2280 28 дней назад
@@maryjomichele If that is true, my guess would be Shannen try to do the same against Alyssa- with Holly, and two against the one would have won.
@nativeveteran7772
@nativeveteran7772 Месяц назад
My daughter is named after this show, Paige. My youngest was almost named Piper. I was a huge phoebe fan until I learned about the drama.
@jessicaw6930
@jessicaw6930 Месяц назад
Rest in peace Shannon ❤
@1_and_onl_y
@1_and_onl_y Месяц назад
Shannen
@mannyjohnson4539
@mannyjohnson4539 29 дней назад
The show honestly went downhill after Constance was fired.
@LyneDayes
@LyneDayes Месяц назад
RIP Shannen I loved charmed as a child. I still watch it to this day and know every episode by heart and you literally have me SAT for this. I thought I knew the drama but apparently not. But it's crazy that they didn't let that stop the amazing acting on this show. I wished we had more genuine acting like this now and days than the overacting stuff on the CW now
@jeebanjeeban87
@jeebanjeeban87 20 дней назад
even today... it was always Milano who do not get invited often when charmed-main-cast get invitations. And even if she gets invited - just by herself. Thats proof enough of who's the most toxic one in that show. The rumor of her being a power-tripper had never been more obvious, mostly because of her connections to talent agencies in hollywood and good PR. Not that its doing her any good today...
@asarishepard8171
@asarishepard8171 Месяц назад
Coffee and cults posted, get ready! 😂
@coreyhernandez231
@coreyhernandez231 Месяц назад
I've never believed Holly Marie Combs was blackmailed - if she was so offended after Shannon was fired, Holly would have left after the fifth season when her contract was up. Instead she renewed her contract and became an Executive Producer.
@DellHalliwell
@DellHalliwell Месяц назад
Exactly
@TheEmanueleCastelli
@TheEmanueleCastelli Месяц назад
This 👆🏻!!!
@Wareaglegirl9960
@Wareaglegirl9960 Месяц назад
She had to pay her bills as well. She and Shannen talked about it and she gave Holly her blessing
@supergirlsmummy
@supergirlsmummy Месяц назад
Shannen told her to. She gave her blessing.
@ryantoussaint4619
@ryantoussaint4619 19 дней назад
Holly and Alyssa never became executive producers. They were just producers.
@TraceyBrennan-r5v
@TraceyBrennan-r5v Месяц назад
Interesting you mentioned this about her kissing Julian - I always thought this was to get at Shannen. Alyssa did kiss the warlock guy similarly in season 2 pardon my past (I think that's what it's called). I always felt that she was just showing off. - Could you do a video on Supernatural?
@Shoobadawoop
@Shoobadawoop Месяц назад
I used to watch this show with my mom when I was a kid. It sucks that things were so horrific behind the scenes 😞
@Whattheactual411
@Whattheactual411 18 дней назад
Your kitty is having such an awesome nap😊
@koken2372
@koken2372 7 дней назад
- Alyssa VS Shannen --> I could believe any of them - Shannen "leaves" the show and it suddenly starts revolving around Phoebe (she even came from last to first on credits) --> I start suspicing - Charmed from S5 onwards becomes Celebrity Freebie's (Sexual) Love Diaries --> It's pretty obvious what happened - Alyssa VS Rose --> this 100% confirms Alyssa was the issue - Alyssa VS Shannen, Rose & Holly --> Alyssa IS the issue AND Holly confirms what we all suspected which is Milano was directly involved in Shannen's firing - Shannen, Holly, Rose, Brian & Drew are like a family and all of them meet often and follow each other on social media, while Alyssa goes on her own and none of them don't even follow her on social media --> The wicked witch got busted and her dirty games got exposed. The worst is Milano even has the guts to say "Hurt people hurt people" .... when she's the one that hurts people. Narcissists are so hypocrite. 👿 Alyssa Milano is the real Source of all Evil 👿
@clairelist1060
@clairelist1060 Месяц назад
Your video on the 'curse of the WB' made me want to get into watching Charmed since apparently everyone in my friend group was super into it growing up and now I am obsessed I can see why it is such a comfort show for so many people. Too bad there was so much drama between the actresses, especially for what the show is about!! Love the video as always!!!
@LumiSisuSusi
@LumiSisuSusi Месяц назад
What is The Curse of WB?
@LyricSnowe
@LyricSnowe Месяц назад
Alyssa Milano’s antics are kind of disgusting. What a Karen
@xxkarlosxxxxxx7233
@xxkarlosxxxxxx7233 Месяц назад
R.I.P Shannen Doherty😢😢😢 can't believe she's gone now, it's so sad how she left this world and I just wanna say I loved this show so much I collected the series in DVD, maybe one day I'll just buy it on blu ray or download it but this was my child hood show ❤❤❤ when I heard they were gonna reboot I was nope 😂 and it didn't do well because the show was so different and wasn't the same essence ... Forever Charmed
@iononcantomascrivo
@iononcantomascrivo 6 дней назад
Fun fact: Shannen Doherty began her affair with Julian McMahon while he was still married to his first wife, Brooke Burns
@desupair
@desupair Месяц назад
44:22 lmao. I love Allison Pregler. I love Charmed but seeing her point out the flaws will always be so entertaining😂 Her Phoebe and Piper voices always cracks me up🤣
@stephanieok5365
@stephanieok5365 Месяц назад
That voice lives rent free whenever someone says "Leo" ... thanks Colebama. 😂
@crapolaist
@crapolaist Месяц назад
I was always confused and upset why Piper suddenly turned "surly" so suddenly with no convincing character arc. I pinned it on Holly being lazy, but after knowing everything, I realised it was because she was tired of all the BS and I support her for it because she held the rest of the show together.
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