Evo vs Lamborghini Part 2 - Top Gear - BBC 

Watching it again 12 years later... There's a charm to this show.

This has to be one of the most impressive lap times on Top Gear, nearly as fast as Koengisegg in sub-optimal conditions

of course the fiat is faster... its a rental car

the fiat was a sleeper. had a single turb 2jz

so in reality.... a rented fiat... is faster than a Evo... which means its faster than a lamborghini...

This 'turbo lag' Jeremy is explaining... just so happens to be called boost threshold; the RPM in which the turbo can spin fast enough to build pressure. it is commonly confused with turbo lag. Turbo lag is when the turbine is spinning fast enough, the time between you mashing the throttle to the floor and the turbo providing that nice boost!

4:18 THAT PASS THOUGH!

Now i know y this show is called "TOP GEAR"..

Part 1- lambo fans get butthurt Part 2- evo fans get butthurt

flooring a turbo engine at low rpm in a very high gear is a good way to blow the engine as it loads up the turbo. Instead drop down a gear, the evo fq400 will have aggressive cams for top end, a large turbo and low compression engine to run a lot of turbo boost, it has a short ratio gearbox for a reason, so naturally it'll have a high boost threshold. 4th gear around 60kph - 80kph is a good way to demonstrate turbo response

No one who buys an Evo will do 30 mph in top gear.

So change the gear Jeremy.

Just under the konigsegg, unbelievable

my heart screamed for those rods when he did the top gear 30mph flat foot test lol Those rods mustve been getting angry

"Unless you are in the right gear at the right time you have no performance" um . . . . No shit Clarkston do you even manual?

When it comes to using your turbo most drivers who know what they are doing will drop one or maybe two gears depending what you are doing. Also waiting for the turbo too spool up is not turbo lag. Turbo lag is when you are pushing high revs then you suddenly let of the gas and press it back on again that time for the turbo to boost again is turbo lag.

This is as fast as Koenigsegg, holy shit.

This thing's performance through the follow through was amazing! I love the Evo, and I agree with Jeremy and would go for one with a smaller turbo, but that thing is so powerful when it's driven right!

Absolutely love the tests of these cars on this old show, non biased review and so entertaining

Thats not turbo lag its the boost threshold

They really had the hardest time trying to find things wrong with this car.The price tag and gas (unless your on E85) are the only issues. 90% of the things they found wrong arent even a problem, unless you don't know how to shift.. Jeremy

that is the 1st time ive ever seen jeremy reveal a cars lap time so quickly without any build up

1:39 - Also called knowing how to drive

Stupidest test I have ever seen. Who in their right mind would be in 6th gear doing 30 mph in a 400 bhp 2.0 litre turbo car, and then boot it and expect full boost straight away?

The rental is also a manual (stick shift) in top gear to prove how bad the lag is on the FQ. The majority of cars on UK roads are manual, auto is usually only found on the high end luxury stuff. I hope this is helpful :)

He was simply demonstrating the downside to having a small engine with a massive turbo. Most modern engines already have a pretty topheavy torque curve, but in this case it's taken to quite an extreme. You absolutely have to rev this engine high to make it move. Some people don't mind that and that's fine, but it was a relevant thing to demonstrate. Now if the 2 cars weren't cruising at similar revs then I'd say it was unfair.

always been in and out of BMW or Mercs and always wondered how would this EVO stack against an E39, E90, F30 or a W204. it's a really rare sight in my country.

He’s lugging an Evo’s engine for a speed comparison, in that case, I could probably outrun that Evo on a surfboard before it hit boost.

This video doesn't make sense, No one floors it in 6th gear. If you want to take off you drop gears and then floor it.

Thanks Jezza, I'll remember this next time I pull off in top gear.

3:30 Mitsu-Stiggy!! 😂

I've seen this episode a number of times, but I just realized this: He's in either 5th or 6th gear, doing 30MPH, and he matted it expecting to fly. No where near boost and facing a car that's most likely an automatic and will most likely automatically downshift. I mean c'mon, do you really expect to hit boost anytime soon while in 6th gear? The RPMs are around 1000-2000 and boost usually kicks in around 4500-5000 (don't know when the turbo kicks in on EVOs so here's a rough estimate) If they had done it where the EVO was in the appropriate gear for doing 30MPH and then floored it, he would have made dust of the other car.

Lol, lot of Evo fans got butt hurt. Guys, he's just messing around.

thats not the turbo lag, its the turbo threshold. Turbo lag is when you already have the revs.

The thing is, you'd never be in the situation of being in the 5th gear and flooring it at 30mph. If you're a good enough driver in this car you'll always be in the right gear at the right time.

I been loving top gear since the 1970s. Still loving the repeats to this day

he was demonstrating how much lag there was in the turbo. and jeremy clarkson is a very talented driver

I'm surprised he didn't throw a rod threw the block doing the turbo lag test hahahahahaha.

It's funny, some modern tuning could solve a lot of the issues with the Evo VIII MR-- The turbo lag could be solved with variable geometry and the fueling issue may just be a map thing.

okay, for those saying "this is stupid, you drop gears instead of flooring it in 6th gear", or "this test makes no sense", please try to follow the logic; BOTH cars were in 6th gear - meaning the rented POS 1.6L Fiat was in 6th gear during the pull. even if the Evo was in 6th gear, logic would say that it should annihilate the Fiat because it's a 400bhp car designed around speed & keeping up with Lamborghini's, so if the rented POS 1.6L Fiat is in 6th gear, a normal person would expect the sporty Evo to destroy it no matter what gear it was in.. HOWEVER, this test demonstrated exactly what most people are missing - just because you boost the shit out of a small engine in order to make it perform like a monster during hard driving, during docile [normal] driving & real-world situations, you lose performance unless you are in the correct gear - sure, you can drop a gear or two & then get on it, but that's the whole point the test was trying to make - you NEED to drop a gear for the car to be fast; you HAVE to. for supercars [or any car with a decent N/A or S/C engine], you DON'T NEED to drop a gear to get some/good power; you simply have a good spread of power within all gears - THAT is the point of this test; the Evo is ONLY fast in certain situations with the correct gear choice, & is useless when you're not. has everyone lost their minds? the test makes perfect sense & shows exactly why some would not prefer this type of setup; some people don't mind a car that they have to man-handle all the time just to get thrills, & others enjoy a car that provides power in far more situations even if it doesn't go any faster than the smaller, turbo'd car. i prefer the latter because i don't like being caught in a real-life situation where i'd have to drop gears just to get any response from a car - having a car that still pulls decently in 5th/6th makes a whole lot of sense during long highway trips & being able to actually use 4th around town is incredibly comfortable & convenient. stop crying about the test when you just can't see the point [or are the type of person who doesn't mind flipping through gears every 10 seconds when they're driving..] because it's a perfectly reasonable test when BOTH CARS WERE IN THE SAME GEAR, & the economy shitbox was able to pull away from the car designed to be fast.. aka a 1.6L ecobox pulled away from a 2.0L sport sedan - i don't care what you say about "boost thresholds" &/or "turbo lag", the Evo had a 0.4L advantage & is designed to be fast, so the fact that the 1.6L economy POS was able to pull ahead makes me realize why i don't like turbos - by all rights, even without ANY boost, the 0.4L extra should have at least allowed the Evo to keep up with the Fiat.. but, it didn't.. it actually got passed by the car not designed for any speed & with a smaller engine.. honestly, it is possible to completely respect a car for what it can do, but also see that it has faults/quirks at the same time.. no car is perfect people.. -__-

The next step up is two hypercars. That's just impressive

Depends extremely on the charger. Big turbos does have big fans that does have much inertia, so they can just be used at higher revs. Possibly the charger sets in not until 4000 r/min or higher. Before, you're practically driving uncharged. So Evo's 2 l aspirated before 4000 r/min should equal about 150-200 hp. Torque is btw much more affected and so decreased.

of course jeremy, i dont think anyone starts a drag race in 3rd of 4th gear

Any car with take ages to pick up speed at 30 mph in 6th gear. What is he trying to prove?

Thing with Evos, the top Hp versions are almost practical but some of that specialised speed quality seeps through making it slightly problematic in practical situations. Getting a slightly lees powerful version however, basically the same but less problematic since it is more practical... It really just depends whether you want to own one, or you want to own one to race it.

400Hp from 2l engine...that's art. I always wanted this car with the engine from Audi R8 V10 ^-^

I always thought it needed a Focus WRC esque boost tank to get it going in high gear or a situation of low revs. I thought my multijet's small turbo lag was bad but it turned out after an experience with an Evo it was nothing

I am honda fan but I love evo too Japanese power all day everyday.

Top gear at 30 mph... so it's running at like 1000 rpm... and you're surprised when the engine doesn't respond?

Even if they were doing 50 mph, standard motorway speed, it would still lag super hard. And going from 50 to 70 is what you'll be doing a LOT on a motorway. The test is there to show that the Evo has no low RPM torque.

"Unless you are in the right gear, at the right time, you have no performance" 🤦

Lol intake + diverter valve = problem solved. That turning radius is brutal tho, haha.

Owned an EVO8MR JDM for 3 years. Best car i have ever owned. It's all about boost baby! ;)

The evolution was built perfectly.

it was a good test just wanted to show that the turbo lag it ruthless. a small mistake and you can be playing tag with your gears. but i love the evo you can pick them up now for 12G and that is a fast car :)

As an Evo lover (Especially the Evo IX) this video was hard to watch. I still love the things tho.

Sooo, a turbo engine has turbo lag?? Bloody hell, never knew that Jezza.

One of the benefits of a supercharger I guess...instant power. Although there are drawbacks as well.

"off the boost!!!" never heard of a clutch kick obviously!

Song on the radio: Everyone's a Winner

He's obviously joking when he's " bashing " on the EVO

Boost threshold not turbo lag.

turbo lag is the time it takes for your turbo to reach its optimum speed in order to give you boost. for the most part smaller turbos spool quicker giving you less lag and bigger ones longer giving you more lag but greater power due to colder air by reduced friction and more dense air.

With a Turbocharged car you are never suppose to put your foot down while in a high gear below a certain RPM since it can cause engine knock and overboosting.

try shifting down a gear and back up which will give the car a jump to set off the turbo

Yes, You have to know how to drive an Evo. Then it is just the perfect car.

1:08 we’re both in top gear... What? The gear or the show.

1:54 yea or you could drive it how it’s supposed to and accelerate properly by dropping gears. It’s not lag it’s you not knowing how to drive

I have an evo, and I actually like the turbo lag. When you're not driving around in boost you save a lot of gas, it's a win win. Because the power is there when you want it, and the mpgs are there when you want them too. Evos are actually extremely easy to drive. I have no idea what he's talking about with the clutch.

1:18 me trying not to scream “DOWNSHIFT”

0:32 rly didn't help the case that jezza didn't give it ANY gas

Not to sound smug by my 33 gtst would have all 3 of these around a track 😁 it is running an rb26/30 with a 67mm Garrett though 😉

Evos are amazing, gonna buy one in a year or two for sure. I think the evo 8 is the best looking one

0:07 is that chris evans?

He's demonstrating boost threshold, not turbo lag. That being said, I was really surprised at how slow the Evo VI I drove was when it was off boost.

2022. Still great to watch

The Jordan comment was spot-on. 😂

The turbo lag test portion was to separate the people who don't know much about gears and rpm's i presume because that was ridiculous, 30 mph in 5th gear. Any car would bog. I love this show but it seems as if they were looking for any drawbacks on this budget-friendly beast, there are flaws on maintenance and mpg but in the performance category this magnificent car shines.

Jeremy called the cars skirt a "spoiler". Lol he like a TV doctor

Also, I don't know of any car which is NOT designed for you stay in power band for max performance, so don't see your point. The point I made was that better cars are not so reliant on their power band. There are cars/bikes that accelerate well at almost any RPMs. A car that has to live in power band sound weak/slow. Also a fast sports car should not need it's powerband to beat a slow/cheap daily driver.

"unless you're in the right gear at the right time, you have no performance" /facepalm so hard I'm currently in the hospital getting my wrist removed from my skull.

We all know what you want is the Evo 7. That was the peak Evo model.

Finally I was able to understand the term "turbo lag"

if a Murcielago gets beaten by an Evo 8, but an Evo 8 gets beaten by a Fiat Stilo then that means a Fiat Stilo can beat a Murcielago

1:30 Come on you must be in like 4th gear Jeremy for the lag to be that slow

Imagine building a car purpose built for speed like a lambo and a heavier less powerful more practical 4 door saloon is faster

Why does he drives a turbo in false gear and says it shit? thought he knows how such a car works

Evo 8 best looking Evo with that smile, mustaches and those vampire teeth from the intercooler

Great car that EVO, sure it's not perfect but what car is? Even the Lamborghini has it's faults if you look hard enough, I doubt the pro driver lost control on purpose. Just wish Mitsubishi gave more countries the more powerful models.

isnt the evo a tuner car? as in its not suppose to remain stock... ever o_o

This is the equivalent of buying a barbecue and wondering why your meat won't cook on the stove.

so basically the fq is a normal evo with aftermarket mods but from the factory

It's an Evo MR FQ-400, pretty far from the "normal" Evo.

poor guy.. he didn't know how to use an evo correctly... 😂

We've had numerous Evos over the years. I agree, the 320 is the all rounder. Controversially my bro insists the 260 was the best drive as you could drive it near 100% with ease. The 400 reminds me alittle of the rs500 with its power delivery-great when on boost...

Forget the turbo lag what about having to service it ever 4,500 miles or getting 4mpg when you drive it hard?? If you want that performance get a car designed to do it properly

What an absurd comparisons with Clarkson not even driving it properly . Silly like the whole show

most badass evo ever made!

Just mode that evo, put better steering solution and dual turbo, one smaller one bigger some tuning and there you go

Love to see people still nick picking the same points about turbo lag for 13 years now.