Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life | Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying | EP 216

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This episode was recorded on October 5th, 2021.
Podcasters and evolutionary biology power-couple Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying join me to discuss a variety of topics related to their new book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century. We explore topics like niche-switching, what Darwin got wrong, Twitter, sources for modern values, hyper-novelty, the aftermath of progress, parenthood, and sexual selection - just to name a few.
Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying are evolutionary biologists, former Evergreen State College professors, and the current hosts of the DarkHorse podcast. You may also know Bret through Joe Rogan, or as the twice-moderator for Jordan’s debates with Sam Harris.
The couple’s book, titled “A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life,” asks why the most prosperous age in history has scarcely offset suicide rates, tribal division, loneliness, and human misery.
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A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life:
amazon.com/gp/product/B08VF32...
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[00:00] Intro
[00:30] Guests’ background
[01:32] A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century - why they wrote it
[04:30] “Values might not be [scientifically] defensible. Taken to the extreme, it might be hard to explain why existing is better than not" - Bret Weinstein
[05:07] “We believe that any credible 'ought' needs to be scientifically informed" - BW
[05:45] Learning to negotiate hyper-novelty in the modern world. The extremely fast rate of progress and change
[06:56] “The amazing rate of change we’ve created is itself deranging us and making it very difficult to understand and remember how to be human” - Heather Heying
[08:18] “It's not that progress is bad - the benefit of progress is often tremendous, but it almost always comes with important unintended consequences” - BW
[09:26] Our incredible ability to adapt by “niche-switching”
[15:41] Unintended consequences & modern sleeping
[22:45] Twitter as a giant social experiment; what happens when you can (sort of) communicate with everyone?
[25:22] “If people treated each other the way they do on Twitter, they’d get beaten up with enough regularity to stop them. So the net effect [might make us] nicer, right?” - BW
[25:47] The importance of nonverbal communication; physical and chemical ways humans communicate
[29:57] Small talk, gaging social skills, and nonverbal cues
[31:28] “Small talk lets you take a room’s temperature-literally and metaphorically" - Heather Heying
[32:35] Objections to evolutionary theory: A critique of some key Darwinian tenets
[38:28] Play & Evolution
[42:08] Intelligence in mate selection amongst bowerbirds
[53:12] How Heather conceptualizes male/female status hierarchies
[55:57] Sex, gender, and how they’re linked
[01:06:44] The Hero's journey and the importance of new storytelling
[01:13:42] The adaptive valley picture in evolutionary biology
[01:13:46] “I'm trying to update our understanding of stories rather than the stories themselves" - Jordan Peterson
[01:21:29] podcasts & collective listening
[01:27:26] Parenting & Children
[01:27:46] “Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one" - BW
[01:28:52] Parenting & Relationships
[01:30:03] Wrapping up
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@timcoolican459 2 года назад

Seven years ago, I wouldn't be caught dead listening to three intellects like this. The fact that I could follow along with much of what they were saying, is even more incredible. I am not highly educated. I barely passed primary education, as I have worked full-time since I was 14 years old...until my debilitating accident in 2014. During my recovery, I took to watching interesting videos on RU-vid. Something that was easier to do while languishing in a hospital bed. This is where I found Jordan Peterson, as well as his seemingly infinite archive of lectures. More recently, this is where I also found Heather & Brett. So, while I was rehabilitating, watching endless strings of cat videos and selfie style channels, my mind began to turn as numb as my legs. Turning towards more intellectual videos, I found Mr. Peterson. He was, and still is, a fascinating speaker. He was just as passionate about what he was teaching, as he was intellectually proficient...or so I surmised...cause 'what the hell do I know', as Peterson has often lament. Back to the point of my comment, it is precisely because of people like this that I could awaken to a larger world of knowledge, where I would obviously not have, if not for my physical demise, technological advancement, cat videos, and videos that Jordan, Heather, & Brett keep producing. Thank you very much...all three of you...for what you do.

@Cryo837 2 года назад

2014 happend for a reason. Best of luck to you sir!!!

@kaptainhammer 2 года назад

Gay

@sparklesparkle4357 2 года назад

You sir are awesome! So glad you found Jordan Peterson. Thank you for sharing your story and good luck in this adventure we call life!

@hgodfrey 2 года назад

Maybe you’re smarter than you think you are.

@RoninDosho 2 года назад

Sir, likely your comment reflects an growing audience. Good luck with your full recovery and as it is often said “I got here as soon as I could “ awesome comment!

@DarkHorsePodcastClips 2 года назад

Thank you for hosting Bret and Heather. I've been looking forward to hearing this conversation. -Written by Dave the clips guy

@casandra0 2 года назад

Hi Dave 👋

@ImEverythingYouCrave 2 года назад

Hey Dave thanks for being part of the team 👍

@NinjaKittyBonks 2 года назад

@DarkHorse Podcast Clips .... @NinjaKitty

@axe-z8316 2 года назад

get vaccinated.

@B-Nice 2 года назад

Thank you for all that you do, Dave!!!

@Motivatedk9 2 года назад

If it wasn't for Dr Petersons books and lectures online my life would be much worse off. As a fifty year old father of two daughters, I've learned more from him than I had ever learned in school. He helped me through some of the hardest times in my life without even knowing it. Dr Peterson, I owe you my life Sir

@kellyhayes 2 года назад

@@CONEHEADDK I'm an almost 40 yr olf woman & he's one of my absolute favorite modern thinkers.

@laja6108 2 года назад

@@kellyhayes 35 and I agree, completely

@ForeverYoungKickboxer 2 года назад

1969 Gen Xer here. Love JP especially his Bible Lecture series. And love Brett and Heather of course.

@laja6108 2 года назад

@@ForeverYoungKickboxer his Bible lecture series completely changed how I looked at the Bible. I was one of those atheists he speaks of that adopted atheism as a pseudo religion. Brett and Heather are gems 💎

@joshnic6639 2 года назад

I can say the exact (2 daughters and all) same thing as you except I’m 42. Dr. Peterson is a lifesaver.

@akikomomiyama4922 2 года назад

Three good friends getting together, having rich conversations. Such a delight to witness. Thank you all three of you!

@paigemccormick6519 2 года назад

akiko, you have a different meaning of "delight" than I do. The truth of this content obviates "delight." We agree on "rich."

@AlexM-vt5pu 2 года назад

Yes, and Jordan is that one friend that never lets you fully finish a sentence hahaha.

@akikomomiyama4922 2 года назад

@@paigemccormick6519 Page l agree the topics themselves were hard truth or difficult reality, they were by no means easy things to process. Yet delight was my instinctive feeling, as l saw the smiles and all of the body expressions that you notice only between people connected with trust and friendship. I thought it was beautiful.

@paigemccormick6519 2 года назад

@@akikomomiyama4922 Yes, ma'm. Just not delightful. :)

@sublimejourney3384 2 года назад

So much harmony between the 3 of them I love this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@rutherford5619 2 года назад

"Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one" Bret that's oscar worthy

@stefan1924 2 года назад

When I heard that, I thought this is the kind of quote I don't want to forget, so I wrote it down immediatley.

@peacemaker6662 2 года назад

Been there, done that, read the book. A book you never want to end... as it must. But hey, the journey is always better than the final chapter :-)

@Frankie-be5uv 2 года назад

@@stefan1924 Definitely don't be a pathological parent and kneecap the kids when they make their move

@karenmaksart Год назад

Takes more than kids to destroy your life. Kids are a mirror. As all other people to all others.

@ThePolysyllabist 2 года назад

"The prefrontal cortex grew out of the motor cortex ... evolved to abstract out patterns of abstraction ... so they can be dispensed with before being acted on ... so that WE CAN HAVE OUR IDEAS DIE INSTEAD OF US" My mind is blown

@GrubKiller436 2 года назад

Indeed. Our ability to abstract is what makes human beings so unique.

@rinzertanz 2 года назад

Agree, that was a fantastic riff.

@anthonysimon4991 2 года назад

I am so lucky to have been born in 1955, there were years of my life when people were not afraid to offend with conversation, this conversation reminds me of the days when people really talked.

@eduarddrancak9513 2 года назад

So I've just listened to a 90-minute discussion incredibly packed with hardcore scientific and philosophical ideas of arguably tremendous complexity and I'm leaving literally with a smile on my face and an uplifting feeling in my soul. It sounds very strange to me when put that way, but it is true and so I think you were doing something right there and I was doing something right listening to this, so thank you very much for doing this. It is an incredibly engaging and informative episode, one of the best in my opinion. I hope that that discussion with the couple's undergraduate advisor will happen, if it hasn't happened yet, and will be posted soon cause it sounded like it might be a good one too. Anyway, cheers all the way from Slovakia, Dr. Peterson.

@aa-zz6328 2 года назад

Absolutely!

@dabbog5518 2 года назад

🤗 BlessALL

@jannrhoads5836 2 года назад

Dogs, they know! 😝

@m-bronte 2 года назад

agree, I loved how they talked about it all objectively without getting pulled in emotionally.

@darishennen898 2 года назад

I'm not even sure Bret understood Jordan's question about facts and values

@kenkeyes8148 2 года назад

It's a travesty what Evergreen College did to these two thoughtful and tender souls. Their loss is our gain.

@gracechristina1430 2 года назад

But ultimately I'm pleased it happened because it forced change and for them to take a risk and capitalize on the scandal and now they have the reach they have now and we all benefit

@lanceg6828 2 года назад

Yep their loss is our gain tho

@devinbradshaw9756 2 года назад

Amor fati

@wmhs02dm 2 года назад

The countless amount students that are losing these days

@plekkchand Год назад

Let's make it their gain as well.

@pamjedlicka8451 2 года назад

Once again, as I trudge through the darkness of what is considered 'our society,' I am uplifted by Jordan Peterson and his incredible guests Heather and Bret Weinstein. It's often been said that listening to these dialogues is akin to sitting in on a post-grad level lecture and this conversation is no different. I am so grateful for this type of intellectual content. It's like cool water in the desert.

@56bigmike 2 года назад

Well said.

@jennbradley3966 2 года назад

I love Heather's voice. She should start a channel where she reads classic literature.

@ArtU4All 2 года назад

She a bit too fast at reading and swallows the endings. I.e., modulation needs some work. Unless a sound engineer can compensate. Otherwise, I love The Pair.

@andreacameron7463 2 года назад

There are certain people whose voices have an immediately calming effect on me, Heather is one!

@m-bronte 2 года назад

Heather is easy to listen too, she is Brett's balance.

@jonny2waggons825 2 года назад

They both have awesome radio voices, as they might say in the past

@jonny2waggons825 2 года назад

@@m-bronte right? They are so tuned to each other

@delachesnaisthibaut2013 2 года назад

When Dr Petersons says "so let's just talk about the birds" and with these three you know you'll learn and 5 minutes later you'll look at yourself and everyone differently from before ahah. Love it. Thanks to the three of you!

@Blobbybobbyboy 2 года назад

Jordan's note on how positive his RU-vid comments can get was spot on. There are some corners of the Web that are horrible, but when people get a glimpse of something that comes from the heart and is honest it brings the best out of them, and we yearn to reach out and connect in this way (or so I like to think)

@pamjedlicka8451 2 года назад

Yep! Makes you realize what a fetid swamp most of the internet is.

@Pfuetzenspringer 2 года назад

Yes, indeed!

@suneasmussen2650 2 года назад

I think I would add 'deep' to that list of attributes. While honest and coming from the heart are also great markers they can easily be co-opted by cliché and stereotype right? That is why Hollywood movies (perhaps especially seen with European eyes) can become so teeth-grindingly unpleasant right - because it's all from the heart but lacking the depth or profundity that is needed for emotioanlity to have relevance as more than merely emotional porn.

@markgado8782 2 года назад

Well said sir. 🤠👍

@kbeetles 2 года назад

I love these people because they are intelligent, knowledgable, curious, open, honest truth-seekers - and on top of that, they are genuine with the right amount of humility and confidence. Such a pleasure to see you together and think with you!

@icarapelicana 2 года назад

Lovely

@cynthiacools-lartigue5297 2 года назад

The humble humility is greatly appreciated and most likely endears them to many. This is critical thinking at its best.

@aliasfakename2267 2 года назад

@@andybaldman more or less rational than seeking out videos you don't agree with and insisting you're right to random people in the comments?

@kbeetles 2 года назад

@@andybaldman - so your response has no emotions at all? Imagining people drinking cool-aid is a perfectly rational statement. (?) May I suggest you dig into Iain McGilchrist's presentations on why relying on the narrow-mechanistically inclined, over confident rationalistic worldview is a dumb proposition. If you still happen to be a reader (?) - he produced two huge books on the subject of brain hemispheres' differing attitude to interpreting the world (The Master and His Emissary, The Matter with Matter) - fantastically enlightening especially for narrow-thinking founts of wisdom, like you seem to be......

@cawile 2 года назад

There is something really magical about witnessing these conversations unfold. I especially love when JPB says to them, “you guys should really talk to Jonathan Pageau”.

@mondopinion3777 2 года назад

YA. Pageau has even larger maps, and is a beautiful person.

@cawile 2 года назад

@@mondopinion3777 already a devout follower of JP

@ThePowermountain 2 года назад

These three people have been a greater force of growth and positive change in my life than all my previous teachers and leaders combined. God bless them!

@matthewbecker7389 2 года назад

I love watching Brett and Heather being interviewed as a couple... It's like they're at this beautiful point where they're sharing a brain between themselves. A bit like when twins talk... Love it.

@faithe54 2 года назад

They are true and rare soulmates.

@causeimdeep 2 года назад

They definitely only have one brain between them, you nailed it

@matthewbecker7389 2 года назад

@@causeimdeep Ha! There I was trying to be nice, but that's frigging funny! Nice one.

@karinberryman2009 2 года назад

Because it’s a very rare couple who converse as cohesively as Heather and Bret, it’s tempting to believe they really do think like twins.

@mindymelnychuk5328 2 года назад

I NEVER comment on videos, but can't not do it this time. This was such a thoroughly enjoyable conversation to listen to. Listening to the 3 of you is a priveledge, an encouragement, and an education. I wish you'd continued your discussion for hours:) Thank you for sharing you minds with us!

@sixduece222 2 года назад

As a new parent I really appreciated the discussion about not discouraging "Play" surrounding other genders. I have really been pondering how to handle that. This was a very impactful intellectual discussion. God bless you Jordan Peterson!!!!!

@heathermilligan393 2 года назад

As a mom of two teenagers now, I just recently took a job with a pre k and am taking early childhood classes and have learned so many things that I could have used when my girls were little. One of My favorite things Jordan says is “children learn most when they are doing dangerous things carefully. “ it’s totally true. My take away from it is don’t be such a helicopter parent. Listen and guide but let them kinda figure it out themselves first before just taking over. ❤️ Good luck in the parenting world. You do what you feel is right by your child

@williamhamilton9945 2 года назад

How do we grapple with seemingly obvious attempts by major media to confuse children. Jordan said it himself, Pocahontas had a powerful impact on his niece. She phased out of it but media is far more available now and my fear is who our kids become can really be shaped far more by what they are watching than in the past.

@S.A.N.503 2 года назад

I found Bret and Heather about a year ago at the beginning of the covid nonsense, and im happy to see a lot of what they were warning, be taken seriously. Finally! Absolutely love it when Jordan teams up for a conversation. Just live it.

@cecilcharlesofficial 2 года назад

Hey Jordan. Please, please consider having James Lindsay on your podcast. The world needs the two of you talking, now more than ever.

@PrognosisNu 2 года назад

James is a big player, in discovering what's happening in critical theory.

@Seeker7257 2 года назад

What do you think about evolution?

@careym3901 2 года назад

YES!

@umiluv 2 года назад

@@Seeker7257 - that God created the process of evolution which allows for all of his creation to be highly adaptive depending on changing situations. It’s far grander than intelligent design. Intelligent design limits the Creator to the limitations of the human mind.

@GabrielaHandalArt 2 года назад

YES PLZ

@erc4375 2 года назад

When Bret said "our level of flexibility is not up to a rate of change where we literally do not mature into the same world in which we were born" I got a strong chill. I think this topic is one of the most important issues facing youth today and going forward and it warrants a full discussion all on its own. The problem is only further exacerbated when parents, teachers, councillors, etc., give children a vision of a world that just doesn't really exist anymore.

@katarinahinsey3931 2 года назад

You should read their book

@bonniethompson3496 2 года назад

There are portions of our human history that NEED to be remembered and transmitted to those who will never otherwise comprehend how and what adaptations were made before the explosive pace of change altered everything. Some ideas must, MUST be understood before it is decided whether they live or die. Human life depends on such considerations.

@richardouvrier3078 2 года назад

according to an IBM employee, a generation is 15 yrs now, where once it was 30.

@danmarks5791 2 года назад

The amount of enrichment I've received from these 3 individuals is amazing. Thank you all for the work you do in helping individuals learn and improve their lives

@cwfilli 2 года назад

It is simply amazing to see these three get into the "flow". What a gift to humanity! Thank you.

@TriggerIreland 2 года назад

A true spectacle of a conversation. That we can witness an interaction like this freely is something to be grateful for. Thank you.

@TruthAndFiction1776 2 года назад

The connections made in this podcast were absolutely mind blowing. There is so much substance here it’s overwhelming and yet mind expanding. A tremendous amount to unpack. Outstanding! Thank you!

@vettevegas8549 2 года назад

Planning many repeat viewings of this one.

@hdhdhdhhdhdhhdhdhf3479 2 года назад

Bunch of grifters who accomplished nothing and just talk about dtufg

@ogjlynch 2 года назад

Absolutely! Couldn’t believe how long it was, felt like it flew by! 😭

@gigstrail7180 2 года назад

@@hdhdhdhhdhdhhdhdhf3479 yet another hard of hearing you are.

@forgottenpygmy 2 года назад

I came to leave this comment, too. Well said, Don.

@margriethover1 2 года назад

These conversations have helped me so much to survive in these dystopian times. Thank you so much for sharing.

@davidrhodes6016 2 года назад

Remember when not everyone was crazy? :)

@RSSIPPEL.ART. 2 года назад

I completed College level Biology 3 and 4 in high school; and even though I studied visual art in College; that Bio Foundation lead me to stay current on biotechnology innovation. Heather and Brett, keep me thinking and better informed. Thanks Jordan, for keeping them, in the spotlight where they belong.

@ZacharyDial 2 года назад

I wish they'd have gone on for 6+ hours because man, these conversations are one of the few things that give me hope. Their comments on raising children are awesome too, and I've tried to practice what they preach with my own daughter and I definitely feel like I'm on the right track, and for that alone I have eternal gratitude. Thanks to all 3 of you guys, and I hope we get one of these every few months at the least! 😁

@iTellaThePun 2 года назад

Instead of 6 hours, I will take a monthly meetup. Perhaps with Gad Saad in the mix.

@galenschultz3239 2 года назад

I was having a hard time not yelling every time Jordan interrupted an interesting point in the middle of it being made. Flow state my ass, professor. This was not his best attempt.

@MM-zw3qp 2 года назад

Being in Portland we're always grateful other voices like Heather and Bret come from this often schizophrenic place. They are a positive influence in promoting dialogue. Just participating on JP's podcast is awesome and help many of us feel that we are not as isolated in the wilderness as we may feel.

@AlanDantes76 2 года назад

They certainly have been a positive voice in spreading paranoia about the vaccines. If that's your thing.

@jibrocks8996 2 года назад

Better than gene therapy that lasts 2 months

@AlanDantes76 2 года назад

@@phasespace4700 Fair enough, but Ivermectin has its uses with humans. It just hasn't been shown to have any efficacy whatsoever with Covid.

@hailtothe_rooster1572 2 года назад

A false sense of security will lull you into your already complacent lifestyle. Change it…. Quit complying… that’s the only way you get out of your situation.

@whitemagus2000 2 года назад

When dealing with a disease where the vast majority will survive, and many will get it and recover without even knowing it, perhaps the effects of the fear of the disease will be worse than the disease itself. Not saying don't get vaccinated, I'm vaccinated myself, but I'm not going to spend energy on it, beyond modest and reasonable precautions, when I'm vastly more likely to die from heart disease, obesity, or cancer.

@jamesdyson7126 2 года назад

Thank You Jordan, Heather, and Bret for this discussion !

@sportysbusiness 2 года назад

This is the best conversation I've heard from any of you. 1.5 hours has just flown past and my head is spinning with new ideas and perspectives. Thank you all.

@hellowell3743 2 года назад

Wow, this is like an Avengers assembly. Great to see Bret and Heather on with JP.

@growingweedisfordummies4190 2 года назад

right, their missing joe rogan as the Thing, and they could easily be the Fantastic four

@holliebingham1311 2 года назад

1000% 🤩

@ledjoajdje3796 2 года назад

Dr. Peterson is Tony Stark. Bret more like Bruce banner

@mymusic8414 2 года назад

@@ledjoajdje3796 Nah Peterson is reed richards

@AllMoneyInDre 2 года назад

@@growingweedisfordummies4190 That would be amazing. Anything Joe Rogan or Peterson is stellar

@ChickVicious237 2 года назад

My favorite people all together, these are the best discussions. Thank you so much for sharing your conversations with each other, we're truly privileged to be included! Much love from New York.

@kingfisher9725 2 года назад

And from Germany as well 😊

@Ragnarok6664 2 года назад

And from Sweden 🇸🇪

@ceili 2 года назад

And from Ireland

@urenag1 2 года назад

Here in Canada too!

@davidroderick1493 2 года назад

Do I have to chime in from Baja Mexico. The nights are so dark that if a neighbor leaves an outside light on he confronted by neighbors with pitch forks.

@eb6935 2 года назад

Oh my freaking gosh This is such an amazing captivating mind busting interview. I want to be with these beautiful people and listen for EVER!

@christophernoe5857 2 года назад

What a brilliant and insightful conversation, well done Jordan, Heather, and Brett. I appreciate all of your work to the fullest.

@enoughnonsenseplease3780 2 года назад

Hearing Jordan go off about "that damn pufferfish" was hilarious.

@Alexander.Berglund 2 года назад

These two have been an absolute beacon of rationality throughout the pandemic and I am so thankful for their online presence! Really looking forward to listening to them talk to Peterson them on, always a pleasure :)

@vixantenna 2 года назад

What's rational or enlightened about peddling misinformation and directly causing the death of your viewers?

@maxfern5701 2 года назад

@@vixantenna Unlike your very rational and enlightened comment of course. Way to go.

@mmccrownus2406 2 года назад

Comment something interesting AFTER

@mondavou9408 2 года назад

Err slight correction, these three. :-) Just because you went to the same school, then worked at the same place, and co habitat, and collaborate, its doesn't make you the same. Just poking fun at you. I agree with you, I found them to be a beacon not just in the pandemic but in this strange reality I find myself immersed.

@ImEverythingYouCrave 2 года назад

@@vixantenna You got a source for that bud?

@lizbec1085 2 года назад

I feel like I’ve earned an additional college degree since I began following these 3 professors several years ago! Brilliance! Thank you All! Finally ordered your new book, Heather and Brett! Can’t wait! See you on your, Jordan!

@AdmiringObserverR 2 года назад

I need the audio of this episode saved. This was so interesting. I love these topics and ideas and they make so much sense. I wish I existed in realms where folks like this could be in my immediate community, who I could relate with about raising children and learn from their wisdom.

@carllund8534 2 года назад

Heroes appear in our greatest hour of need. It is astonishing to me that the three of you rose from relative obscurity to fame around the same time for remarkably similar reasons. Not only am I nourished intellectually but spiritually as well; both wisdom and knowledge simultaneously.

@corvuslight 2 года назад

What a privilege to be able to listen to this discussion from these wonderful human beings. Thank you.

@Kimmyqween 2 года назад

To see three beautiful minds who are good friends talking to each other about complex concepts is such a heartwarming and awesome experience

@northwoodfalls1403 2 года назад

Wow, was this a feast of a conversation. Just can’t even find the right word, but “play” certainly about does it. That feeling of being energized, fully engaged, delighted, intrigued, and having curiosity sparked …. Fantastic. Thank you so much, Jordan, Bret, and Heather.

@dustinmckennon 2 года назад

It’s pretty damn incredible when you see three successful people achieving more success by the minute and just by listening and learning you can be a part of that success too!

@sharkwang1542 2 года назад

@Solitaire Surely if you’re that intelligent/qualified you’ll have the opportunity to meet him on a debate stage someday. Let us know when that’s coming up.

@faithe54 2 года назад

Would be better to let that inspiration help create your own success. You don't really want to be Jordan Peterson, do you?

@parochial2356 2 года назад

This reminds video me of a candy commercial from years ago: Jordan: "You got evolution in my psychology." Bret and Heather: "You got psychology in our evolution" 3 great minds that go great together.

@mcmescbanner 2 года назад

What a gift to be able to listen to you all. Long format, in depth, intelligent and researched discussion. Thank you JP.

@chiaramadonna1088 2 года назад

There is so much to be gained from this conversation. And the intersection of ideas between psychology and ideology and evolutionary biology was incredible- I didn't expect that. Wow wow wow. Thank you.

@razorbladder 2 года назад

The conversations with Brett & Heather have consistently been my favourite and this one was phenomenal, the engagement ratcheted up all the way to the end! Absolutely essential!

@GeorgecPanos 2 года назад

@@WoodenWizard howdy woody

@AleksandarIvanov69 2 года назад

I think the two most destructive challenges of modern life are: 1. Overstimulation 2. Overcomfort Implementing strategies to habitually control for them are 80% of the battle towards a good life.

@CK-dp6je 2 года назад

EXACTLY! Honestly, most modern Americans suffer from affluence

@Ali-kq7yv 2 года назад

Sounds like what the guide to the good life by William Irvine teaches, worth a read.

@gordonsirek9001 2 года назад

Define for me what "a good life" is to you.

@anotherknafguy3679 2 года назад

I agree but would argue that these challenges are not inherently destructive, instead they are conditions present in the environment that have destructive consequences for individuals that cannot adapt to or mitigate the dangers of them.

@JimmyJaxJellyStax 2 года назад

Meditation is more necessary than ever today

@triciavega-jeter4145 2 года назад

I love being able to listen in on your conversations--simulates a part of my intellect that is hard to get at and I throughly enjoy! Thanks

@infinitecuriosity9210 2 года назад

I can't say enough about how much Bret and heather have taught me. But also they were the very few truth tellers about the lab scenerio, I saw on bill maher they helped me continue to critically think thru all the propaganda. ✨🇨🇦

@HeadCoachKev 2 года назад

Thank You, Dr. Peterson for your decades of Learning and Sharing a Righteous Lifestyle & Mindset.

@vettevegas8549 2 года назад

So agree.

@daveh4925 2 года назад

The mind that created your icon picture needs separating from society

@HeadCoachKev 2 года назад

@@daveh4925 are you a Bot or a Troll?🤣

@daveh4925 2 года назад

@@HeadCoachKev lol just joking

@codyhelms1673 2 года назад

38:56 It is refreshing to see someone as brilliant as Peterson literally grasp his skull with info overload/enlightenment like I do on a fairly regular basis when I listen to/read his work and the work of those like him.

@bacon_cool7100 2 года назад

Same.

@allyourbase888 2 года назад

I had to pause this video several times due to intellectual overwhelm. So many connections forming and dissolving leading to a Mandelbrot alignment of sorts is how it feels to me.

@carloslegorreta675 2 года назад

To the three of you. Deep appreciation for your academic knowledge, but total admiration for your human quality. Academic pedantry is totally absent in your performances … you are so inspirational ! Thanks.

@buckeyeborn65 2 года назад

I absolutely adore all three of you! On a side note, I've never seen Heather speak so quickly.... lol Jordan really reminds me of myself when I get excited about a conversation that I'm knowledgeable about. It's refreshing to see such wonderful people have a delightful conversation. Thank you!!

@foxriver576 2 года назад

I am thankful for the existence of this man.

@TheShootist 2 года назад

I am grateful for all three.

@Raymal100 2 года назад

Peterson obviously goes through it. Not every day is the best day. Some intros get straight to business. But when he says friends, smiling and excited, I believe he means that. Everytime I hear these 3 speak, I gain wisdom.

@TheShootist 2 года назад

yeah, they are friends.

@vettevegas8549 2 года назад

And love.

@miriamcombe3033 2 года назад

Beware of unearned wisdom 🙂

@vettevegas8549 2 года назад

@@miriamcombe3033 Hey. I get the irony.

@justanothernick3984 2 года назад

@@TheShootist Friends who knows nothing or have surface level insight into the persons life is more known as an acquaintance. This was an interesting discussion. But with a lot of guessing and some one-upping on JBPs side. JBP is getting to sound like a broken record at this point. The religious symbolisms, the egyptian metaphors... I get that he has been through a really tough stretch and he is amusing to listen to but I would caution to take him seriously. He is the old man telling the youth stories about the good days, trying to stay relevant. And if it keeps him sober, more power to him as he is used to say.

@adamdrouin2295 2 года назад

The ultimate podcast. Three of my favorite true modern intellectuals I listen to. Thank you for all of the important work you do in a world that desperately needs it

@aaronj628 2 года назад

I feel extremely privileged to have been able to listen to this discussion. What a fascinating time to be alive to be able to have access to such insight.

@andrewjones5144 2 года назад

I only made it 3:30 into this podcast and already knew it would be gold by the effort and intent Heather and Bret put into listening to Peterson’s questions. You can literally see it.

@YHWHsaves-dot-com 2 года назад

I love being a fly on the wall in these conversations.

@hivolco151 2 года назад

I totally loved the discussion on "small talk" I would say it is essential in feeling out where to "go" or where not to go in the conversation.... FOR SURE it is very important!... Love you all... I am crazy about tuning in to Darkhorse podcasts each weekend and Thrilled to see this TRIO discuss so many topics that are relevant in our ever changing techno-environment. :)

@Ilhemworld 2 года назад

So much knowledge offered by these amazing professors I'm grateful for this podcast

@mihaelaclaudiap..2 2 года назад

If you are here watching this, it means you understood something in life! I salute you!

@kabayev 2 года назад

This is/was a really great conversation. I just wish it would have been longer. There were a few branches of significant thought that were left unexplored. For example, Heather was making a point how there weren’t many archetypal (female narratives). I wanted to hear what she was going with that. I suppose they’re going to need some more conversations

@seekingtruth93 2 года назад

I screamed when Jordan spoke over Heather and interjected "Beauty and the Beast" and then laughed when I saw her reaction....... I was genuinely curious to know what her perspective was on that. Then the point was never finished ! 😢

@Jaze2022 2 года назад

So wonderful to see friends talk together, sharing ideas and rifting on each other. There were some differences in thought but I can tell it was sufficient to share the perspective. There was no battle to win. I bet someone's going to comment on the interruptions. Lets just say it happens when you're having an exciting conversation.

@fernan3987 2 года назад

Thank you! It was one of the most interesting discussions I've watched. I hope you can meet again soon and continue teaching us new things. Hugs from a Spaniard in Tokyo.

@mfciaccio 2 года назад

I love this talk. So many people say 'The Science tell you to do this', but forget that science tells you what may be not what ought to be.

@TheMemesofDestruction 2 года назад

It’s a method. ^.^

@davidgardner4779 2 года назад

To say that I appreciate the three of you is a massive understatement. Thank you for being honest seekers of truth and continuously seeking to become more and more aware of your own biases and being honest and open about them so that we can (hopefully) continue to move forward together as good faith actors in this grand play. 🙏⚒️☸️🔥🙏

@vettevegas8549 2 года назад

It is beyond words.

@bradodilo7569 2 года назад

Simply brilliant, insightful and eye-opening. Thank you! I I also get the vibe that Bret and Heather are warm couple and people in real life. Godspeed!

@matthewbenitez7804 2 года назад

Just so unbelievably grateful that these 3 and others alike have been so courageous in their ventures and pioneering..what a gift it’s been to have access such thought provoking and helpful/raw discussions of ideas and truths. Bless them

@robertsmith4474 2 года назад

Brett and Heathers reaction to Jordan's "Are women just men, then?", priceless. Hollywood has been trying to create their version of the Hero's Journey for women, by lazily putting women in traditional men roles, the last couple of years without much success.

@themuse11 2 года назад

Yes, our Hero's journeys are definitely different. But to be effective, they'd have to be much more multifaceted than Beauty and the Beast. It's a good teaching story, not dissing it. But it doesn't hold a candle to the Descent of Inanna. Women don't have too many stories that go as profoundly deep into the maturation of consciousness (courage in the face of death, humility, sacrifice, wisdom) as the stories of our male counterparts. But that one does.

@emergence8217 2 года назад

Bret , Heather and Jordan.. liked it even before I watched it. 😇

@antoinelanz8427 2 года назад

Thank God for Dr JP and conversations like this. Also lovely to see Dr. Peterson getting so much better at letting his guests talk for longer - the interchange of ideas here was priceless. Just bought the audio book and am already enjoying it immensely.

@dawgin1 2 года назад

Just purchased the book immediately after listening to the podcast. I didn’t want this conversation to end but the book will hopefully have answers to some of my questions. Thanks Dr Peterson.

@KLawrence31 2 года назад

What a treat to hear the three of you interact--despite length I aim going to strongly recommend viewing by a life long friend and professor and clinician neurologist and another friend who is (recently) become very religiously oriented, retired as a forensic accountant. Can you believe a one and half hour podcast to recommend to such different people. Wow what a podcast. Thank all three of you. See you in Chicago Dr. Peterson, got the tickets! [for three couples!]

@patrick6213 2 года назад

I know, I wish it was longer

@kwnorton5834 2 года назад

Good on you all for speaking to this. Deep within the matrix of 2022 I found myself turning away from some of my primary motivations and turned back to music - became a drummer. Truth is truth - wherever we find it. Drumming is fundamental to our evolution. The vibe, the beat will always be.

@battlefield4iguess54 2 года назад

They look so happy having these conversations together. It is very infectious. Love the three of you, you give the world hope ✌

@bullishtingles1384 2 года назад

The pleasure they have speaking to each other regarding these topics invokes excitement in myself to take part in it. You guys look like you're having a lot of fun.

@nathanielsutton227 2 года назад

This is beyond refreshing. This talk gives me hope. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I need more if this.

@paulm749 2 года назад

Indeed - don't we all!

@armandohenriqueramosminucc4749 2 года назад

Please, have Mr. Thomas Sowell for us. We need to have this conversation for future generations.

@JimmyJaxJellyStax 2 года назад

Yes! This would be a glorious masterful exchange of wisdoms

@kittentacticalwarfare1140 2 года назад

Don't know if it gonna happen. JP got lots of hate just for not bending the knee and having an opinion divergent to some political hacks. Dr. Thomas is and even deeper level of a topic that sadly has become politicized and weaponized by the corrupt establisment. Doubt JP would risk exposing to the drama that always brings.

@IndigoHazelnut 2 года назад

I honestly wish this was a 3 hour episode. Absolutely loved it. And yes to the idea of DarkHorse having a conversation with Johnathan Pageau!

@Cander617 2 года назад

Oh I'm so happy to see you all happy and healthy and I'm soo happy to hear this conversation, thank you all for your wisdom!! Man I could listen to them talk daily, if they put out a 3 houe conversation id never miss 1 i love it and them such a great example of what human beings can aspire to.

@memopinzon 2 года назад

3 of my favorite people. I hope Heather recovers from COVID soon. :)

@Seeker7257 2 года назад

GOD bless you.

@memopinzon 2 года назад

@@Seeker7257 God bless you too!

@JimmyJaxJellyStax 2 года назад

A breathe of fresh air in a society increasingly naïve of its own nature.

@dannyjquinn880 2 года назад

Evolution made them that way too!

@Chessnut49 2 года назад

This was truly an enjoyable episode. Thank you for hosting this couple. Looking forward to getting their book.

@theDanWshow 2 года назад

This is a great conversation. Heather and Brett congrats on your new book and I'm looking forward to the second one. Jordan, thank you for hosting this beautiful couple.

@josephdestaubin7426 2 года назад

Philosophy meets sociology meets psychiatry meets biology can be an intellectual catastrophe. But in this instance it's absolutely awesome!

@egolayer13 2 года назад

Jordan and Bret are always a treat. Add Heather into the mix and you've got a trio I could watch every week.

@Darrylizer1 2 года назад

I love this sort of conversation. Thanks! Perfect for listening to at work.

@lynnemccowan4447 2 года назад

A good uplifting conversation. Always enjoy listening to you Jordan and the expertise and polished conversation with Brett and Heather

@Shoutinthewind 2 года назад

I wish Jordan’s podcast were longer. 3 hours would be amazing. I know and respect the fact that this might not be possible with his current health but if he is ever able to do it I hope he does.

@MrGowface 2 года назад

Such a pleasant conversation. You can tell there is true mutual admiration. Seeing the novel intersections between Jordan and Bret/Heather's thinking was a treat.

@kathybumphrey699 2 года назад

Great talk by 3 of my favourite podcasters!! I learn so much from all of you and you’re so good at articulating in a way that non-scientific people understand. I have the book and finished reading it in Dec discussing chapters with my spouse as I went along. I love what they brought to the forefront in it…laid out from beginning to modernity and weird how much relates to right now! Thanks, we needed this book!!!

@wally993 2 года назад

Excellent and insightful podcast as always. I’m glad each of you have gotten out of university’s and colleges to stretch the reach of your ideas to people whom otherwise would not have had the opportunity to digest them. Thank you.

@CB-ln2eb 2 года назад

This was soulfilling! I had an NDE 5 years ago and returned with a few messages, one in particular, that humans have forgotten we're human. So much to say. Very curious in others thoughts regarding their comments when referencing "if a person created it." Love, Love, how Peterson kept interupting because he's so intellectually stimulated!! What a gift for him. Looking forward to purchasing the book!

@jakek5904 2 года назад

Awesome conversation! Thank you Heather, Bret and Jordan for you time and energy. Please keep the discussions coming. Looking forward to reading your book. Godspeed. :-)

@neubianx 2 года назад

When I hear an interruption of any kind, I cringe a little because interruptions rarely go well, but in this discussion every interruption was as though they were finishing each others sentences in a way so pleasant and brilliant, that the interrupted were extraordinarily grateful for it, as was I, the listener. So much brilliance and love throughout this conversation. What a joy to be able to listen.