Hey Doctor Peterson. I just wanted to say thank you for everything you've done for people who are lost in life. Five years ago I was a hopeless cocaine addict, and I had no friends and was lonely working a factory job. I stumbled upon one of your videos, and it really spoke to me. I felt overwhelmed and unable to change, but your videos & lectured gave me the guidance I needed. Now I'm sober and have a wonderful wife and son, and have a very good job, and soon to be going to college and trying to go to law school. Thank you for caring, I wish you nothing but the best.
God What a great happy end for you brother. Could you share what was that JP said but cought your attention and help you? I need to learn to detax from toxic way of relating to my father and 2 of my siblings
Austin Scott. Keep growing. U have natural discernment knowing that u understood Jordan’s messages. So happy ur on the right path. God bless you and your family.
@@peaceandlove544 Hey man just take it one day at a time. Start fixing the things that you can change. I started just cleaning my room everyday, and taking charge of my environment. Eventually you will build the discipline to break those toxic cycles. It's not a sprint my friend, it's a marathon.
Why? All they do is reinforce the idea of a Archaic >topdown< God of antiquity. But God YHWH is not comparable to such concepts. God YHWH who made himself known as Jesus Christ always defied notions of extreme duality (Isaiah 45:7) and of linear progression (Isaiah 46:10); and initially denied humans who wanted to ascribe potential to him (Exodus 3:14).
Hi Jordan! I doubt you’ll see this but I’m going to send it anyway because you deserve to know that you have reached so many people and have helped thousands if not millions of people just like me. As a fellow psychologist (in the making) you inspire me so much I love listening to your perspective and it’s always eye opening. I hope one day I get to meet you. And if I make even a fraction of the difference you’ve made I’d be over the moon with myself. You’ve helped me out of some tough times and I’m sure that’s true for thousands of people across the globe honestly! x
@@JordanBPeterson please provide a video on how WEF is corrupting politicians and governments , universities, District Attorneys etc etc to push forward the One World Slavery. The end of freedom for the masses
Jordan respectfully to you but your a decieved Christian trampling simple Logic UNDERFOOT. A=A, B=B, A is not = to B. Your DECEPTION and I hope your HONORABLE enough to admit your fault and help decieved Christians. Repay evil with good is Justice and repaying evil with evil is UNJUSTICE. You think evil war on evil war is justified and capital punishment on a capital criminal is justice. Not. The law of non-contradiction will only allow non-war a pacifist on war a non-pacifist to be JUSTIFIED. Christians think they can repay war with war and it is Justified. Non-pacifist Christians straight up live in sin. PERIOD. Friend please repent and warn non-pacifist Christians live in sin and embrace death a damnable offence. True Christians are PACIFISTS and embrace life. I know you understand now. Please bro fix your fault and shout it from the rooftop. Peace out. ❤❤😍🤩😎👍
My first post will be the most important simple truth you will embrace or non-embrace and determine the salvation of your soul. No different than a liar or non-liar, heterosexual or non-heterosexual, thief or non-thief, PACIFIST OR NON-PACIFIST which is evil. Please don't brain fart on Jesus was the Pacifist as scripture says he did no violence ISAIAH and Satan is the first known non-pacifist FATHER OF DEATH AND WAR. Simple eh... God said thou shalt not kill pure pacifist rhetoric. ❤😍🤩😎
Well, here we are. The moment we've been waiting for. Peterson read Language of Creation. And the moment we never thought would come again. Mathieu Pageau has emerged to the public sphere. It's a good day.
Agreed. It would be enough to have one of the brothers but both are compelling brilliance in their own right and I loved when Jordan was getting taken away with a thought he couldn’t keep his talking in,pace with his thoughts. Truthfully, I will listen to this more than the one time. There are some big things to chew on. We are so blessed!
I am amazed about why Matthieu's interpretation or explanation of some of the most familiar biblical stories is so much easier to understand and accept than the many I have heard from various churches over a period of 40+ years? Thank you to BOTH for making so much senses, and the hope that we can and still are experiencing the patterns from thousands of years ago. AMAZING!!!
@a2wingedeagle For some reason people think he's orthodox, but in reality he's just Christian with a truly ancient understanding of reality in the best way possible.
I am ex atheist and i am trying to figure out who i am right now. I am reading this book and i am shocked by the results! Thank You thank You thank You for this talk!
I know, it's so weird. This dude died for me. WTF? How does that work? He rose from the dead; really? Trying to figure it out. Even if I never do, I KNOW that learning the Bible is making me a better person. Good luck to you!!!
Good deal. Take the journey as it comes. Take notes and don't forget a thing..when the full transformation comes, your testimony will be THEE most unforgettable journey you'll ever take, and those that know you, will be amazed at who is in you. Know that there are thousands upon thousands that are here in support of your vouage
As someone who went to a Christian school, I have know these stories since childhood... but I have never understood the stroy of Samon until I heard Mr. Pageau explain it... and what an amazingly riveting and self evidently true explanation! Thank you sir, from the bottom of my heart.
At about 1hr 43 mins in, I understood more now why my Dad would say ''read a little scripture every day'. He passed away before the concept of fractals was talked about, but I think he would have resonated with it just as he would with this wonderful conversation between these 2 profound, yet humble men
For such a celebrated individual jordan is repeatedly such a collosal letdown dwelling in the dark. The *real* meaning of a snake is enlightenment and knowledge/illumination because it sheds its skin, leaving behind what it no longer needs becoming a better version of itself. Americas "freedom" eagle is also the polar opposite of these so called "noted illectuals" teachings actually signifying dominance and complete panoptical control because nothing flies higher, it sees all. Hopefully the Mexican flag with the eagle eating the snake etc now has more meaning for you reader as will world events and symbolism in general. The catholic church, with the help of the jordans of the world, has globally performed cultural genocide to the point you are no longer aware of your true purpose, origin or history. Its not that the truth is hidden, you are actively kept away from it from the "evil" snake in the bible right through to say, slitherin in Harry Potter the truth about reality is kept from you with the help of jordan and his ilk and yet ignorance rains so supreme you lap it up parroting "amen" like the good little sheep you really are. I weep for us
I love the way that Matthieu avoids speculating outside of what he knows and has such clarity and depth of understanding about what he does. He articulates it in simple and unadorned language, while also showing great knowledge of the biblical texts and complexity in his thought. I love to listen to him, but I understand that someone like him only speaks when there is something to say. Thank you Matthieu and I hope you will share more when the time is right. Your book is fantastic too.
I think JPs questions were avoided. JP keep talking about personal growth and this jackasskept talking about someone vs. enemy. Adam was naming animals but this guy keeps interpreting the Bible and his talk about a war between an enemy. Just curious, who does the think are the people represented by Adam and who are the enemies he wishes to destroy. You all missed this back and forth. I was first disappointed that JP missed it as well but he countered several times and his guest avoided. JP was easy on this jackassguest.
@@stefanjohansson2373 I am open to all views and willing to be open-minded. But not to the nihilism you present which is not a view, it is the negation of all views and says that none of them have any meaning or worth. It is a paradox that you wish to share this view, since by your own definition it is pointless and meaningless. Your view is an acid that corrodes everything and gives nothing. I ask politely that you keep it to yourself.
😱😱😱😱 I am amazed that you got Matthieu on for a discussion! Amazing! I've been dying to hear more from him since his talk with Jonathan years ago. Yes!!!!
Matthieu's book is just pure gold. I haven't found myself so engaged with anything else like I did with this book. Watching this video was also so satisfying. I whish if he would do more to explain this ancient cosmology. There is just nobody out there doing this. Thank you both Dr. Peterson and Matthieu :)
Oh, please. This and much more was all done decades ago by me. My name is Chris Langan. I'm the person whose Daily Wire inteview was cancelled without explanation just before Peterson came on board (the DW interviewed me because I'm reputedly "the Smartest Man in the World", and have been recognized as such for at least the last 25 years.) My work is literally a century ahead of anything Jordan Peterson is even capable of understanding. Now be good little amateurs, and exercise more care about false statements like "There is just nobody out there doing this." I did it a long, long time ago, one hell of a lot better than Dr. Peterson or his little friend could even dream about doing it, and that's it. Have a nice day.
@@RealChrisLangan Smartest, maybe. Wisest, definitely not. Saltiest, who knows? Why not apply for that category, the extra accolade might help to alleviate the boo-boos.
Jordan, if you read this I want you to know that you were for a long time like a father figure to me and that you've helped me tremendously. You do not know me but with my head bowed I've been listening to you diligently for years. I must say that, just like so many other people, I'm forever indebted to you and that you have my gratitude. Thinking about it makes me weep sometimes. I feel like the lost sheep being brought back on God's path by the good Shepherd.
Mircea, that was beautiful and touched me in your gratitude to Jordan. I grew up with a great father and I learned so much from him. I know the blessing I had that continues even though he joined my mom with Jesus in heaven 2 1/2 yrs ago but I must say, Jordan has also touched me and re-enforced to seek wisdom and do good. I’m happy for you that you found a great role model in Jordan. Blessings on your day.
Your comment is beautifully written. As a fellow listener, I also appreciate that I know how much he appreciates being that man to you and me. God bless.
How wonderful Our Father in heaven yours too that loved you before you were even conceived heard your prayers or listened to your thoughts and emotions and send you the right message through JP
Hey Jordan, sending mountaineer love from West Virginia, you’re words of wisdom, guidance, and helpfulness will never be forgotten by everyone who’ve you’ve changed the lives of. Thank you Jordan.
After long and scrupulous factors weighed out in a quasi-Thomistic fashion, and with thanks to you Jordan, John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau, Robert Barron, and others, I made the decision to accept and profess the Catholic Faith in full Holy Communion. And still, after hearing what Mattieu Pageau has to say to a further extent, I am blessed to be part of Christ's Church. All of the symbology, psychology, ontology, prayer, Sacred Scripture, Authority, and Continuity harmoniously sing together in a meta-sophisticated, beautiful and true reality. God bless.
Thank you Dr. P! I truly love your Biblical series and Bible based lectures, equally the other subjects you focus on. The gift you provide your audience cannot be fully repaid. A heartfelt thank you from our family of six who listen, dissect and digest together.
I love this in-depth focus on Christianity lately. I really believe that it contains the transformational power to restore hope and faith to the west. Peterson continues to do extremely important work. Thank you.
I have read Matthieu's book but this talk gave some really great insights above and beyond what's in the book. In particular, Matthieu's explanation of the role of Eve as a "mirror" or "feedback loop" for Adam, and her ability to "talk to the animals" as opposed to just "naming" them was mind blowing. On top of that, his relating that to right wing vs left wing or conservative vs progressive mindsets in society made a lot of sense. This is an immensely helpful concept, because it now puts in perspective the role of the "female" in our life in a manner that cuts through every level of reality. The role of the female (not just those who are biologically female, this means anybody that embodies the "feminine" perspective) is to act as a mirror or counterfoil to the one-sided male perspective. When the masculine/feminine dynamic is well balanced, it provides a critical feedback loop to the "dominant" masculine tendencies and acts as a corrective to them. If however this dynamic is OUT of balance, in particular if the "feminine" convinces the "masculine" to "succumb to the perspective of the marginal" then we experience a "fall" into a lower state, which needs divine intervention (death and resurrection of Christ) to correct! This is amazing stuff.
I was really mesmerized by Matthieu's book and getting to know him through this conversation has enhanced my admiration and appreciation for him. He's truly one of a kind and I can't even imagine the insight he'll be able to gather in his next book as he works away from the contaminants of city life. He's like the adventurous hero who leaves the confines of the city walls to seek true treasure, amazing!
This is a very penetrating discussion. I'm an atheist, and I've always said, since I discovered JBP's learning and insights, that if anyone could bring me to reexamine, reevaluate... reconsider, my view of religion generally, and the Bible, in particular, it would be JBP. Here with the help of Mathieu Pageau. Maps of Meaning I found VERY difficult to understand and comprehend. Very challenging. However, with videos, lessons like these, in gradually gaining some clarity, some understanding. Much appreciation and gratitude for these discussions. Thank goodness they are recorded.
@@pjaworek6793 I purposely used the word goodness instead of "god" due to the... let's say, associations, the affect, of a troubling, disturbing, and subjective repulsion I experience using the word/label, which isn't dissimilar to Dawkin's sentiment of tyrannical and capricious, psychpathic authoritarianism. It's a purely negative psychological affect, but no less real to my atheistic sensibilities.
@@AstroBear11 I've experienced enough malevolence, manipulative confusion, and cynical nihilism in my life to not be easily "duped". I'm very skeptical and critical of everything I read and hear as a result. However, I'm always willing to give a different pov or perspective a chance.
Jordan said it himself, as a psychologist you give someone an optimal challenge that will encourage them to develop and succeed, and that’s exactly what God has done for us. He has given us a task that we will struggle with daily, yet it won’t have us running in a labyrinth. The challenge is to find the way, the truth and the life and put your faith in Him.
👏👏👏 I'm a Christian, a philosopher, and discussions like this are like milk and honey, the perception of the Bible as a documentation of psyche and reality (as another facet of its religious implications). Good work man, and really insight-ivizing. Thank you
The first two chapters of Genesis clearly define the meaning of what is heavens and Earth. This poor man is trying to impose a world view upon a text which clearly is not intended to be a science book. This is sad regarding the energy this man expended to try to make sense of the text. That information can be best understood by reading the whole book (old Testament) in it's context. (one can add the NT for more context).
I’m an LCSW and found this interview so informative. I am so happy to have found you Dr Peterson! I have been on quite a ride in my 73 years and am a life long seeker of Truth. You have given me hope and confidence to do my work without fear, in love and Truth. God bless you in all you do to uplift humanity.
This is the most surprising guest J. Peterson has ever had. I'm looking forward for watching something very serious and profound, here. Finally, the other Pageau brother!
I think the Pageau brothers creative minds decipher these topics very differently than I’ve seen from others. I could listen to them talk all day. The Doc does an amazing job of asking questions that really help entice conversation from this interview. I’m in the midst of a rabbit hole of both the Pageau brothers at the minute and I’m loving it.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally someone understands why emperor Constantine was brilliant in his insight to what the cross symbolism could contribute to stabilizing a delicate political puzzle. He found the one piece that brought peace to the Roman Empire at a critical time in its history. Cutting strait to the chase.............. The imagery of the Cross is the vertical line represrnting the connecting the energy of multiple other dimensions to this 3rd dimension as in " In the name of the Father and of the Son. Then the horizontal "through the power of the Holy Spirit" indicates the energy of spirit as the conduit between dimentions. The body language is great because the signing of the cross is so rudimentary and confirming of intention. It's like dialing the operator for your connection. Also, tapping the forehead draws the attention of the mind's soul to be aware that tapping the heart will energize a 3rd dimention focused message through the energy power of the Holy Spirit. Amen. It's tiring listening to critics of the Cross symbol claiming that Christianity is a blood culture. I wish our own team understood the symbol that Constantine so wisely read into that image and how well it established a code for faith, hope and charity and malleable through time regardless of human shortcomings. After all, the was only one human without a stain on his character and he served as Whipper Boy for the rest of us or so the biblical narrative reads. Of course life is more complex and thzt's why we have metaphors and allegories but religion gives the roadmap to faith, hope and charity to all inclusive. Symbolism of Cross is shortcut to all incusive Agape love not a blood cult closed Society code. The restraints of religion are psychological but that serves the objective of civil behavior otherwise human reaction will lead to knee-jerk reaction and regrete. Religious symbalism keep us in the zone of remembering who, what, where, etc and respect for all others from any walk of life. Picturing the open communication symbol of the Cross I say 'In the name of the Creator and of the Son through the power of the Holy Spirit have a Happy Easter' Agape Salute. Cheers.
Much grattitude & love from Belgium, to you & your family Jordan, you're so respected and you are a true inspiration, wishing you loads of good health.
Jordan please keep doing live events if you can, I am in the UK and want see you in person, it would mean the world - currently I'm poor, but going to do everything I can to see and watch you live. Thank you for everything that you have done and continue to do.
This is awesome! Pageaus book has been a total shift in perspective and he’s such an interesting person... he’s been a bit reclusive on here which makes this even more intriguing. Thank you both for doing this.
Yoo good point, while watching I had to pause for a moment to think about it but at the same time I was like I need more of an explanation please. As they go Jordan does a good job by getting out more.
@@BboyKeny you can create a child that talks back, but the question is did you create the boundary conditions for the child, or computer? Or did somebody else?
To Jordan Peterson. Bless you for allowing God to use you in such a profound way. You are greatly loved and appreciated by a large group of learners and searchers including myself. Thank you, sir.
The Bible is very complicated, but the gospel is extremely simple. We don’t need to understand the Bible to be saved but unfortunately many people reject the gospel because they feel that involves deeply understanding the bible. And many people just don’t have the faculties or IQ for learning the Bible as deep as Pageau
Maybe better phrased as by believing that the gospel for salvation is for your sins personally, you then are enabled by the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit to know the deep things of God.
Just realized the four horsemen of meaning have crystallized: Jordan Peterson, John Vervake, Jonathan Pageau, Matthieu Pageau. We've heard conversations between many subsets (especially of size 2) of these 4, but I think a conversation with all 4 at once would be lightning in a bottle. Without Matthieu in the picture, the more reserved and quiet Pageau voice wasn't heard as loudly as the others; his addition should balance the 3 voices perfectly.
What an amazing conversation. I remember when I was in my early 20's and freshly married. My husband hated that I loved to read fiction books..mostly great fantasy. He thought it was a waste of my time and even repeated that later when one of our children was present. I tried so many times to tell him those books had incredible bits of wisdom in them that I loved reading in story form. He was so resistant even though his friends would read books I would recommend. He would read "spiritual books" but considered everything else to be a waste of his time. Any book that would help me understand the bible is exciting. Thanks to both of you for your amazing ability to think and write.
Are you and your husband still together ? Can you please tell us if he ever came around to seeing things your way and having an appreciation for fiction ?
Oh man...I've been waiting for this moment ever since reading your book Matthieu. It was so helpful in helping me understand the mind of Western man. Can't wait to watch this.
Appreciative of the pace, tone, explanation in the new forming ideas in the conversation, the highlighting of the parallels, and open energy in the conversation. For all the denseness/heaviness of the topics, this conversation was accessible and stimulated new ways of thinking. Enjoyed this one, thank you both!
invigorating, nourishing , many of us are in tears of all emotion , pure appreciation and open peaceful wonder .... they are saying they feel your good intentions and love for this perplexing experience of body, conscious, space, ... many are also saying its healing and motivating and appreciate the manner and gentle translation of such difficult conceptions, experiences, stories, ... life.... the response is overwhelming and i agree deeply from the highest..... thank you , health and peace all
As a youth, when I was confirmed, I was told that one of the gifts available I could pray for from The Holy Spirit, was the gift of Wisdom. So I prayed and prayed asking the Holy Spirit for any wisdom that He thought I might be worthy of. Over time so much has been made clear and opened up to my understanding. I am so grateful to the Holy Spirit for His gifts. Jordan, I would love for you to pray the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Rosary with Bishop Barron. Wow , he explaineds everything so well. I would love to know what you think.
JP and co are seriously convincing me to open up a Bible and go to a church. I'm real close. I never thought I would, but it just seems to make more and more sense the more I think about it.
Snake-filled Chimp...Research "Scientific Facts in the Bible. The Bible is the only religious writings that have scientific facts revealed thousands of years before man "discovered" them. No other religious writings have scientific facts. Mathematically, there are at least ten dimensions. We are aware (or recognize, live in) four if you include time as a dimension. Some people will say that they have to see something in order to believe it yet, there are 300 trillion neutrinos that pass through every inch of your body every second but you don't feel it because they have almost zero mass and travel nearly the speed of light. Neutrinos exist but we can not perceive them without the most technologically advanced equipment. Seriously ask God to come into your heart. Accept God as Creator. Over time you will gain understanding of why satan is here. (I say this because one of the most asked questions is, "Why does God allow evil to happen.")
Strongly suggest reading the Bible over going to church as a first step. Lots of churches don’t preach straight from scripture or even understand how to interpret scripture. Even if they do understand it it’s hard to find someone who will actually follow the guidance in their own lives, or they’ll follow one part but not another. Just read the Bible. That’s all you need. Everything is there. Going to a bad church can really disillusion a person.
Thank you for carrying on the discourse of the many truths in the Bible, preserved all these years for our understanding. Chuck Missler was the most influential in my understanding of the wholeness of the Bible, and his background was Information Science (computers, mathematics). He showed the many threads and codes throughout the Bible as God revealed himself, from Genesis to Revelation. My first day at a Bible-teaching church, I saw myself immediately as we studied in Chronicles…body and soul, relationships and life on earth and a Holy God who loves us🙏💔💝 So much to learn to know Him, to know Jesus, the only WAY still living in us❣️
Jordan Peterson this is my energetic signature and intent. I send you light, love, strength and power. For as long as you align with the heavenly father and work with us all in taking down the chaos. You are spiritually protected and every step you take supported. Any sword against you will be blunt and any arrow will miss. Amen!
I love this conversation. I love seeing things in a fractal way, I am careful not to become lost. I usually try to do something to record or document what I see , which if I am really in the flow turns out like a mix of fractal geometry and abstract art including other things I can barely describe it , I find that with a bit of patience, and reflection on a piece that I can see and interpret and perceive what it is or was that I was seeing for lack of better words. Sometimes it's drawings and numbers and connections and writings. Like receiving a download of information I try keep myself tapped in as long as I can whilst I note down and or create some kind of translation of whatever it is or was. My mind is usually an observer and I use my senses to help aid the focus to complete which usually is at the time of an inner prompt to drop my pen and breathe . By the way , the lamp that looks like an 8 or an infinity symbol behind Matthiew captured my eye, I find it to be quite interesting. Thank you both for this, it is very interesting and productive and good conversation. Much to ponder on. Labyrinths dont work , nor a maze , it is more like a design that allows movement and flow and openess and ease of navigation and good intent rather than a troubling trap like place or path or trail. It is worth the while looking at landscape design and permiculture design , garden design. I am currently busy developing one right now that is almost like a mandala and there are many functions to take into account and attention to detail as well as careful tending to and re modeling , but basically it's the aim to be innovative and life aiding , no Labyrinths or mazes or puzzles or confusion at all, it is not okay to create an illusion. It has to actually work. Certain music helps me here . I really think that understanding the principles of photography would help you understand light and perception and perspective etc A picture is worth way more than words, it has a great large amount of information embedded in it. Go into understanding the history, development, current, and graphic design , principles of each. They help a tremendous amount. Even learning photography will expand your mission. I completely agree that it takes proof . Application. And obedience. Carrying out instructions and teachings. I'm already busy . The method works you are right , Matthiew- you are very gifted. Jordan , yet again well done, you are a legend
Very interesting. I asked myself, did I understand what you were saying. I’m just an average person with not a lot of education, so I prayed before listening, asking God to give me spiritual understanding. What I got out of it is an understanding of how much I do not know, and how high Gods ways are. Having said that, I know why Jesus said we must become like little children. Simple faith and trust in God the father. One day when we cross over I believe he will give us all the understanding we need and want. I thank you for the video and your commentary, it at least helps me see what a great awesome God we serve!
I read The Language of Creation after almost two years of rediscovering Christianity. I just wanted Christianity to make sense to me once again as a mature and well educated young man. Pageau's ideas in this commentary felt like intuition for me as I read, and it was not hard to grasp the ideas, but I went through a time that i thought I was going mad because I could not stop looking at the world and reading it like I read the commentary. I went through some serious mental health issues for a few months (because I was scared I wasn't going to be normal again), but when I emerged, I was better than ever. I believe this book helped me know the truth and the truth set me free. Thank you Matthieu. Love form Zimbabwe.
Read Matthieu's book! I have read a lot of books and it is easily in my top 5 all time. It is unique and amazing and will change your perspective on how you view the Bible and the world!
I used to find Jordan’s educated words too hard to understand and yet I have revisited thru the y tube algorithm Jordan again and wow he is so brilliant and thank God for his new found faith
I believe that JP's statement that ''I act as if God exist'' is insufficient for entering the Kigdom of God, imo, and too convenient for man's ego. I would say JP is close to Christ, but not born of the Spirit. He relies too much on his own intelligence to understand that which can only be understood and discerned spiritually once you're converted.
Luc Malafarina Jordan broke down in tears speaking with Jonathan about the crucifixion and resurrection; his heart knows what his head isn't comfortable with; I haven't heard the "act as if" statement for some time.
When I have a tough decision to make in my life, and I am contending with theories beyond me, and failing to make sense of it all, relationships, finance, ethics and all the in between, I come here. This man has changed my world, and whenever I can I pray for him, that he would find Grace in the sight of the Lord and truly live long and impact more yet to come. I am awake and conscious today, and I have words for things around me. All thanks to this great and awesome man. Matthieu Pageau is BRILLIANT!!
Fantastic. I just got done reading 'The Language of Creation' yesterday. It was very eye-opening. This conversation is such perfect timing. "Humanity's purpose in the universe is to know God as the perfect answer to the riddle of life and death." -Matthieu Pageau, The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism: A Commentary
Intriguing conversation. Ironically, I wrote a thesis on snake symbolism, after having 40 snake dreams in which the creature appeared polymorphously, as friend and foe, culprit, magician, healer, etc. It is very interesting how "loaded" the snake / serpent and our response to it is. Anything that evokes such an intense response in so many people must be worthy of discussion and seen as a doorway to the depths.
This filled so many gaps for me, things I knew had to be there but couldn't find. As I recall the scriptures that I can, what Matthieu has learned fits perfectly and further explains every one of them.
I do have to add another comment, this one to say that I wish very much that I had heard or read some of MR. Peterson when I was a young man. His search for meaning has benefited many, and continues to help me navigate the world. I am an ex heroin addict, clean for almost 7 years now, and the single most difficult thing for me as I continue to emerge from that life is the question of what to do with myself. I suspect that this particular question is what led me into addiction in the first place. Today's young men have no heroes, are told that their natural state of being is toxic, have no REAL role models. One cannot aspire to be an elder in a community, because our (male) community is gone. Mr. Peterson IS MY PERSONAL HERO. His search, his questions, his insight, his accomplishments, his humility, and his perseverance. I feel that we fight many of the same battles; Jordan's very public fight with depression and anxiety has assured me that there IS another side to come into when the fight is won. Thank you Mr. Peterson, for everything you give of yourself in order to educate others.
Matthieu Pageau, my everything is forever grateful for your insights and sharing them in the form of your book The Language of Creation. Brilliant is an understatement.
His book is truly phenomenal, there are aspects I don't agree with fundamentally but it's worth a read, but I more recommend you read james b jordans biblical view of symbolism, I think reading these two books one after the other is vitally important!
Yes, Please elaborate! I just spoke in person with Jonathan pageau about a week ago, regarding some of these things; voicing some of the critiques my colleagues have levied against certain aspects of this project. The ancient cosmological worldview is soo different than our current material worldview, it can be a challenge to get a handle on. Even when actively trying, I still notice the materialism permeating through my thought-world.
@@Whats_in_a_name_1 It would be so difficult for me to explain in the comments especially due to my carpal tunnel, but I believe James B Jordans book will show you exactly what I mean.
@@suppression2142 I would not read James Jordan due to his being Protestant. Or at least very hesitant. We must repent of the sin of rebellion and submit to the Catholic Church. At minimum become Orthodox. We can no longer remain in an institution whose fundamental structure is to institutionalize and legitimate rebellion
Thank you so much for putting so many things into context. The nature of chimera / demiurge / hybrid creatures at the borderlands of conceptual structures and the half of Jacob that was made limp so he would slow down to learn the right lessons, all provided clarity for the experiences / imagery one has navigated in the past 7 years. Thank you so very much. 🙏
I enjoyed so much... Thank you. I've tried so many times, but never fully successful, to bring to the light this pattern I felt, see through cloud... It was evident, but each time I tried to verbalise it, words were somehow limited no matter how close to the meaning they were. Your conversation brought me beck to a period of few years ago, when I was trying to "find a God". As post-communist child, religion wasn't a part of my life almost anyhow, and during the time of regression to previous traditional way of life, I found myself in very big moral dillema - how can I become a part of the religion, accept its teachings and life philosophy if I don't agree with it in my soul. If I accept it without any doubt, just because my close people say it's good, it will be not better then accepting invitation to any other religion or even worse, sect. This moment was at the same time scary and exciting. I needed to know if my point of view is in aliment with christianity, or Islam, or what ever is out there to be offered to me as an religion. In that moment I decided "to find the God who ever, and in which ever religion it is, if it "exists"." From that moment on, I spend 4 years trying to answer those philosophical questions - what is this life, where does it come from, what is the purpose of living, where does soul come from, and go to, who the God is, is he person, or living force or some other natural force or low that keeps this world not fall apart... So many questions. And all the answers I got was from just observing the reality was this pattern you were talking about. And I felt it, knew it intuitively. I couldn't name it properly. But it was there in everything around me. In that time I met one guy whose life was completely opposite of mine, in terms of spiritual life we had before. He was the one from religious family, and was surrounded by Christianity since he was born. Unlike most religious people, he was open-minded, and he found very interesting my attempts to describe the God. He was my mirror and I was his. After we agreed that we speak about the same thing with the different words, I needed a proof that we haven't commit any logical missteps in our thinking route, so we both agree to elaborate our views of the God to our philosophy professor. After we finished our elaborations, the professor told us that non of us made any missteps in thinking, but that our starting points were just opposite. Mine was from the bottom to the top, and his from top to the bottom, and that our view perfectly correspond. We were both amazed. Soon after that, something happend to both of us - I found God in the way he described me - God as a person who is nothing but pure love. Even now, my words are limited. And my friend saw the pattern I was talking about. Soon after, our lifes were separated. This experience was the most obvious pattern that happend to me since. So thank you for evoke this memory. And thank you for sharing this deep thoughts with us. It's in deed food for my soul to listen your thoughts and ideas. It's very difficult to find challengable and engaged interlocutor about deep thoughts among young generation. It was great pleasure to listen this. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
This was what I needed to understand a portion of John Vervaeke's historical half of the meaning crisis series. I really struggled to make sense of the continuous cosmos and also what that meant in relation to the gnostic cosmology. Now after about a year it finally all clicked into place. Thank you Matthieu. This was so valuable. Also the discussion of the first-born was really helpful. As an only-child, this paints the stories in a light that resonated and afforded some insight
Not to ignore the brilliant conversation between these two, but it makes my heart so happy to see how alike the Pageau brothers are, even in voice and demeanor. They both have a gentle calmness about them, and they are both EXCELLENT listeners and conversationalists. I get the impression that they come from a good family that instilled in them the value of courtesy, and it's so refreshing. They seem like the perfect people to be genuine friends to Jordan. Love all of you and thanks for another great video!
These conversations are absolutely profound, like I discovered some secret treasure nearly upon every listen. I read Matthew's Book at least twice and was absolutely stunned by it's clarity in presenting these ideas. I really hope to hear more Matthew he balances his brother Jonathan's view in an important way.
Good talk. One thing that always amazes me about the human mind is how we take a combined sum of essentially infinite variables, information and factors and bring it together in real time in the form of a sense, feeling, decision or thing to do or say... sometimes cleverly at that. I honestly never know truly exactly what I'm going to say or how I'm going to say it but sometimes I have a theme for a purpose, some things I'd love to say and if the right circumstance arrives bam there it is but everything always works out mostly exceedingly so. So the trust. We trust that staggering seemingly automatic process to deliver things sometimes even we ourselves learn from ourselves in real time during a conversation. We also weigh probability against our will and rearrange it constantly based on how that's going with an extremely detailed and engrained sets of knowing about especially the first few desired probability. In fact the first 1-3 desired sets of probability we've thought about a lot, we know when we're there but the path was unknown and the arrival actually looks a little different than imagined. Sometimes we want things we didn't know we want. We get them, achieve them as if to set about them totally in relation to how events are unfolding now. Amazing.
Good morning Mr Peterson, I’m not sure if you will read this but I felt it necessary to send you this message. I have never done this before, I’m a Jamaican in Jamaica now living but lived in the UK for over 20 years. My entire life is a struggle even to this day but you have been a source of inspiration for me. I just watched you on the Piers Morgan interview, I didn’t watch it all and I will as soon as I’m done here and maybe I’m getting it wrong but can remember a store I heard about a man that thought that giving all he had would help to save the world or something like that but in the end he would die and not accomplish much. I can’t say I see much good people in the world we are living in today and I don’t know jack about you either but I can see your work and the things you’re trying to do and I commend you for what you are doing and for your endless effort in helping us. For these things I don’t want to see you leave us but at the rate of how your going you will soon one way are the other. I can see this world is taking everything out of you and I can tell you, not much will change in the end. We don’t want to hear nothing tragic happening to you because a lot of us that you have helped to bring up with your kind words and understanding and care will fall back down, and that’s not because you didn’t do things right are faults of our own but because we are tired to see very good people wast away by this world that is like a water bucket with many holes in it, too many to be fixed. I’m trying to say preserve yourself, if not just for you but for us who count on just your existence in this time as a brother, a father, a friend, a career. You have my respect and the respect of so many others all over the world and it hurt us to watch you burn out like I think I’m seeing. I don’t know if what I’m writing makes much sense, I just saw a RU-vidr showing the clip of the interview and it broke my heart a bit and I thought I would write this to let you know that you mean a lot to a lot of people. Let Jah Bless you.
See you just extracted meaning from coincidence. We know very little about why things happen with such uncanny timing, but to me it surely points to a metaphysical reality.
It's really easy to get lost in Jordan's description of things... the language he uses. But every now and again, when you follow the thinking through, you get blown away.
"Lost" indeed. Peterson was covered by 'Some More News' and gifted a whole Video-Essay just about him. Not just that video is epic though but the enitre channel is - i would go so far as to call it the News-Source for Atheists.
I'm still in the first hour of this but man, again I have to say you're the philosophical GOAT of our time. But a philosopher, psychologist and conversationalist that just makes every topic worth exploring. Salute 🏆 Just one request (and those who know him will definitely agree with me), PLEASE get Myron Golden on your show to talk the Bible. It will literally be one of the greatest in-depth conversations ever. I'll be waiting. God bless
It’s literally mind blowing, have to pause after 15 min to process a bit the ideas. Thank you Jordan for the great entreprise to bring wisdom to the crowd!
