Evolution of the Sontarans & Strax (1973-2014) 

So...america

@@raipe125it’s really just page one of the colonialism handbook

​@@ocean.m5642Might Makes Right.

​@@raipe125typical America bad narrative? The only overseas colonialism America did was the Philippines and Liberia

@@RisingFlag100 they try in cuba but them came castro

They're probably cloned from different Sontarans, that's why many of them don't have the same physique.

@@alfiejob6546 that actually makes a lot of sense

@@alfiejob6546 Also over time they probably got modified for greater military strength.

Experimenting with stuff.

Potatoes forever 😆

😂😂

reminds me of the Jedi when they encountered the Mandalorians... Jedi: I have a laser sword, I can block your shots Mandalorian: Hehe, flamethrower.

where did they say this ? edit:oh nevermind its at 35:16

Been in the wars that one😲

Or at least Drax

Yeah

Sounds like Wayne Rooney.

They always were, just now the show acknowledges it.

Implying anyone took them seriously before? On the levels of Daleks, Cybermen, Ice Warriors etc? No, they were never an actual threat. They utilized the potential of Sontarans, they are boring non-complex villains, but can make a hilarious companion.

@@Dead25m I'm not saying the Sontarans were on the same level of the Daleks and the Cybermen. I'm saying they weren't a punchline before The Pandorica Opens. The Time Warrior, The Invasion of Time, The Two Doctors, they had a plan. They had a different look. They were smart enough to hatch schemes to take over the universe. After the Pandorica Opens, the Sontarans were a running joke with a lame ass gag every three seconds.

@@AnonEyeMouse Oh yes, yeah they never tried to almost successfully destroy the Earth of course. ;-;

bruh it was just one sontaran. strax isn't even a villain. the sontarans are fine.

@scftlcve they were always meant to be small the bbc just never bothered to actually cast short people in the classic era

@@landfish7a They did in the beginning. Kevin Lyndsay (Lynx/Styre) was a short statured fellow and it was even explained at one point that Sontarans were short because of the strong gravity of their planet. In later years they seemed to forget that, especially in "The Two Doctors" where one of them is practically a giant!

@@lezzman Maybe not all Sontarans are created on their home planet, which would explain height discrepancies in-universe.

They were much creepier 40 years ago too!

Tall Sontarans are only in The Two Doctors.

i heard the voice and ....I knew pretty cool though

The real life reason why Styre and the Marshal look different from Linx despite them all being played by Kevin Lindsay is that Lindsay had a heart condition and the original Sontaran mask had exacerbated it. A new, lighter Sontaran mask was created for 'The Sontaran Experiment' but tragically the new mask did nothing to alleviate Lindsay's heart issues, he died a few months after filming wrapped.

shame they never made a spin off show with Strax and company in London

@@stoves5877big finish did it

Well, he is a clone in a batch of 6 million

I don't, Ive had enough of them making sontarens a joke, yes they look stupid but if the show makers themselves can't take the characters seriously then how are we sposed to? These guys are sposed to be scary not fucking comedy relief so no more strax thanks.

​@@user-et6pj4db9s I mean the Dales looks absolutely ridiculous and as menacing as cutlery and the Cybermen look like rejected Power Rangers grunts. No recurring villain other than the master can be taken seriously (and even that barely, Rasputin, everyone)

In the middle ages, the average height of European males was of roughly 1m71, based on skeleton measures, so not that short.

​@@Zdraviski Depending on which part of middle ages. During the early middle ages it was 173cm, but it decreased over time

I always thought Lynx and Styre were the archetypical Sontarans. From then on the makeup just seemed too "rubbery" and the actors were way too tall for the part.

​@@lezzman Invasion of Times makeup for the Sontarans wasn't too bad, The Two Doctors is probably the worst in terms of looks.

@@theporkiestpie8416 Varl is the perfect PFP though.

Lindsay had a great anecdote about taking lunch in full makeup during filming, which resulted in frightening a woman out walking.

That is awesome.@@minicle426

Kind of almost wonder how an inevitable attempt at diplomacy, for some mutually beneficial alliance would go (kind of similar to the possible end point of the Cybermen, as an adversary), possibly with the Doctor meeting the Emperor of Sontar himself, in the process. Could even lead to some interesting scenes where the Sontarans are essentially forced to start being more... Introspective, you could say. Like whether or not there was something more they could evolve, via strategies or just whatever cultures or philosophies they live by, or even thinking foreward to the inevitable point where the conflict dies down, and there's a moment of piece (whether it be from running out of worlds to conquer, or so on and so forth), and basically how their soldiers could fill their purpose in life, without basically fracturing and cannibalizing each other.

I really like the Lupari from season 13. Sorry for the late reply, this video just popped in my feed.

They were always comical lol what series were you watching

Badum tss

Excellent

It’s no contest. Peter Howell went all out with that score.

I personally prefer The Invasion of Time’s techno theme during their first scenes

Agreed, Howell is clear

sounds and looks like whatevers connecting the head mask to his neck ring thing coming apart, you can see the head slightly comes further out from the suit

Listen closely? It's the main thing you can hear in the timestamp. A sound effect put there on purpose actually.

LOL

You are in a massive minority if you really think that

@@joer.g8568 oxymoron

@@joer.g8568 Actually, in my experience, Strax is rather well liked. I think it safe to say the minority opinion is actually disliking him, it is just a rather vocal minority.

We need that potato

I can take it or leave it. 🤷‍♂️

Still surprises me that it was the same actor as Cho Je from Planet of the Spiders lol

i think the americans copied the sontarans for their predator 1987 with the same helmet and tecnology and predator 2 and wich at the end were all the predators are in the space craft

I can’t believe that they now covered the weak point up why couldn’t they think of that before

yeah, I don't get why they changed it..

Actually, the one in the first clip looks very similar to the kind found in new who and almost sounds the same if you ask me but that is coming from a person who never really watched the original series other than bits and clips like this.

yeah, the Time Warrior version actually looks like a weird creature with disconcertingly pseudo-human features. i think it's the way his jaw moves, which -- i wonder how they did that? did they stick the costume to the actor's jaw or something?

Yes, I always thought this was a case in which the first make-up was the best. Although I thought they looked at their worst in the Two Doctors, not The Invasion of Time. I know what you mean about their New Who treatment. They looked great and had lots of cool kit, in my opinion, but their tactics just weren't very Sontarany lol.

@@geoffpulham5032 yep two doctors

I couldn’t, that’s what held this video up for so long lol. I wanted to include them in some capacity.

@@DanTheMan2150AD This might be stretching a little but shouldn't 2006's Built for War have been included in this video?

That’s a documentary so no.

@@DanTheMan2150AD Oh alright, I thought it might've been worth the mention since it features some in-universe scenes, but then again so did 30 Years in the TARDIS.

Tbh it was an idea I had floating around but I decided to just limit it to main features. As much as I could have included them.

Definitely

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@@sarahsanders9587 I saw the Flux trailer, and I must say I quite like the new Sontaran design.

@@domtaylor1887 Did you watch the episode? I loved it!

@@sarahsanders9587 They did a seriously good job with the Sontarans in Flux. Awesome update of the classic design, and brought them back to being dangerous and brutal. Oh, and returned the gratuitous lip licking!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was got by that

They used to look like Space Germans. But I guess all Doctor Who aliens were kind of like Space Germans...

She was aware of the events. Just not that The Doctor was involved (which should’ve been obvious really).

"Justice" is a strong word, they couldn't hit a single shot, and were taken out with a frying pan.

@@saoranachnah-alba723a Wok, and I’ll just Wok right out of here

Better then moon head and spongebob square head

@Thomas Farrell true that

IKR

Probably quite a few factors, the most important being that it was a period story so the costuming for everyone else would have been cheap, the sets were likewise cheap and there was only one Sontaran in the story. It was also the first story in the season so nobody was worried about running out of money at that stage. There was also only one Sontaran in The Sontaran Experiment, but apparently the actor was ill so they redesigned the costume to make it looser and more comfortable and sadly it looks a lot less effective. After that, the stories all had multiple Sontarans and more demanding effects. In the late 70s inflation was causing their budgets to be seriously strained, and because The Two Doctors was partially shot in location in Spain the costumes were again made to breath easier for the sake of the actors and don't have the full padding (leaving the collars flopping around a bit, which does look pretty rubbish). I really like the Sontarans, but unfortunately I feel like they've spent most of their time on screen being pretty lame. Their very first story is still probably their best.

Because Doctor Who isn't mainstream enough to generate commom memes. A shame the entire show is a gold mine.

I think it's more "Sir?!?" "I call no one sir except my Battallion Commander!"

@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts Everyone's a critic.

Yeah. I can tell from the voices. Though, I guess it's not that surprising, either way.