Ex-Post Office executive Angela van den Bogerd refuses to apologise for role in Horizon IT scandal

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A former top Post Office executive has refused to apologise for her role in the Horizon IT scandal, insisting: “I didn’t knowingly do anything wrong”.
Angela van den Bogerd began her evidence to the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry by saying that she is “sorry for the devastation” wrought on subpostmasters and their families.
But when pressed by Inquiry counsel Jason Beer KC, Ms van den Bogerd insisted she had been unaware of critical flaws in the Post Office’s IT system.
“You make no concession or admission that you did anything wrong”, said Mr Beer.
Ms van den Bogerd replied: “I didn’t knowingly do anything wrong.”
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@user-pm2yo8lv1s Месяц назад

She should go to prison

@insertnamehere5146 Месяц назад

she should but she won't. No one involved in this will be going to Prison.

@yvonnebraybrooke5842 Месяц назад

These innocent people went to prison, so the people responsible for putting them there should also go to prison!! Its an absolute disgrace! Shocking!! So many lies and no remorse! They still wait for their compensation. Will they please stop calling it that!! Its NOT compensation. Its their bloody money. 😡 OMG!!

@ed393 Месяц назад

They should all be on remand until the end of the enquiry.

@markbullen5989 Месяц назад

@@insertnamehere5146

@hugolindum7728 Месяц назад

Or street justice.

@arthurhodgkinson8599 Месяц назад

All these people should be jailed, no remorse, not one has ever taken responsibility, absolute disgrace.

@jeremygreenwood2668 11 дней назад

Absolutely.

@mikepxg6406 Месяц назад

Middle management across UK is riddled with these people.

@ginghamt.c.5973 Месяц назад

You took the words right out of my mouth - or brain ! Exactly what I was thinking when I listened to this. What a stain on our society.

@susanmarch1661 Месяц назад

Take the high salaries but have no intention of doing any work.

@johnlowe-tq6ey Месяц назад

They make employees and customers lives a misery.

@kathykay9920 Месяц назад

Prison

@user-xq6me6pd7q Месяц назад

So true. I have run into several of them and to be honest I don't understand how they sleep at night. Bloody monsters

@user-pm2yo8lv1s Месяц назад

She is a LIAR

@chrispmodlin Месяц назад

My words exactly .when will these liars get arrested

@tonygunn6889 Месяц назад

She did not care only care about post office brand name run a cover up

@elky1883 Месяц назад

Get this piece sent down

@johnreed8336 29 дней назад

PANTS ON FIRE !

@seanryan3837 Месяц назад

Living off the millions in bonuses she got working for the post office. She knew what was happening and should be held accountable. No apology, no remorse. She should be in prison

@richardshepherd6103 Месяц назад

One lie after another the whole lot should be behind bars.

@adrianvassallo5630 Месяц назад

Her swearing on oath was a lie

@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq 29 дней назад

I would require she repaid all her bonus payments and that she relinquishes her Pension as well as never being allowed to be in any position of responsibility ever again. Also, she needs to be required to make a statement detailing what her involvement in Common Purpose was and what her instructions were.

@gherkamum Месяц назад

They know it was all wrong but did nothing, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..Prison must come

@grahamnichols1416 Месяц назад

But it probably won't. Some will 'retire' to a nice pension, and others will slip away ...

@blue_jay31 Месяц назад

One can only hope 😢

@kathykay9920 Месяц назад

She's got to go to prison. Crowd fund private prosecution, Alan Bates. My cheque book is ready

@davegreenwood1663 Месяц назад

There is one law for the rich ,and one for the poor .These slimebags will walk away scot free into the sun.

@julierogers1155 Месяц назад

A-MAZING, just stunning in their lack of shame, lack of accountability, lack of remorse. PEOPLE DIED sub-postmasters DIED.

@MisterstereoOso Месяц назад

A sociopathic narcissist would talk like this…

@wanderingyoutube Месяц назад

Here is a woman supremely assured in her righteousness that the mere concept of her being mistaken is absolutely beyond her consideration. The thought of her ever being wrong is absolutely foreign to her.

@vrindersinghrandhawa6343 Месяц назад

Bit like a nazi

@23merlino Месяц назад

exactly... this type of mindset is becoming more and more commonplace...

@kcribin5654 Месяц назад

Jail…..without question

@raskinman Месяц назад

Keir Starmer will probably say this message is misogynistic

@kcribin5654 Месяц назад

@@raskinman ohhhh the joy of free speech 🤐

@alidabaxter5849 Месяц назад

A monstrous woman who caused ruin and grief to innocent people, who claims to have no memory of anything she did wrong (with memory loss that acute how could she function?) and who clearly awaits no retribution. I hope from the bottom of my heart that she spends a lifetime in prison but fear she won't.

@brashers759 Месяц назад

A horrible excuse of a human being.. 🤬😡

@stephenreeds3632 Месяц назад

LIAR!!! Told postmasters that no one else had had a problem when she knew that they had. Lies, lies, lies. So assured that she has done NOTHING wrong.

@raskinman Месяц назад

Arrest her!! The Police are too busy harassing poor working class people while this person is allowed to talk like this

@conorsmith8551 6 дней назад

Exactly, they were very quick to arrest people on behalf of the post office but now will they arrest these crooks???

@MAKO_0970 Месяц назад

Someone needs to remind her she is under oath

@robertgannon-cx2mm Месяц назад

I don't think that would matter to these people!!

@peternewman3487 Месяц назад

Her fiddling with her fingers speaks volumes.

@susanmarch1661 Месяц назад

And the worried, entitled look on her face.

@vagabondslot-machine8832 Месяц назад

It's funny how none of them can remember anything. They remember their bonuses, though. They wouldn't forget them!

@duckndive. Месяц назад

Nothing less than a custodial sentence would be appropriate for this completely disgusting lack of acknowledgement and for the terrible lack of responsibility shown.

@davidblyth5495 Месяц назад

As an executive, she is paid to know what is going on She remains responsible and accountable for her neglect

@viewfinder914 Месяц назад

Amazing how these people do not remember key details but do recall who to blame...

@murielbrown3013 Месяц назад

Mind boggling levels of incompetence, liberally laced with wilful blindnessd

@derekrobinson5554 Месяц назад

She has to apologize reading from a piece of paper, very heartfelt.

@clivesweeting4410 Месяц назад

She only apologized for what had happened , not for any responsibility .

@TheKevcarp Месяц назад

How to lie and have no conscience

@gent3284 Месяц назад

this should become a criminal case. all this is just for show

@user-pk4xb3gt8m Месяц назад

NHS will be very busy shortly with a huge uptick in Altheimers referals all from the P.O. personnel involved in this enquiry. Please Please put these criminals into court for fraud perjury and any other crimes these people have commited

@josephlennon8475 Месяц назад

Very, very good one and so true. And, yeah. Get all of these criminals in court, and jailed, ASAP.

@seanfinlay6822 Месяц назад

Should lose driving license: would never find way home.

@blue_jay31 Месяц назад

She is one big lier, jail jail please !

@allanthorpe7139 Месяц назад

What an embarrassment her evidence was, 35 years in the job yet knows nothing about nothing 🤣

@josephlennon8475 Месяц назад

These type of people are about in British management. All incompetent, and fools. Just do nothing all day. Then bamboozle the workforce for the month or quarter and then drive their company cars home, only to see they have been paid anyway. Unbelievable, but true.

@earnestequivocation6250 Месяц назад

Supreme arrogance and ruthlessness are often characteristics of ‘aspirational’ folk.

@johnclarke-vs9qe Месяц назад

She got an email 1 month, then another 1 day before being involved in questioning a subpostmaster regarding the remote access capability of Fujitsu. When it was suggested that "someone" else had accessed the account, all she said was that the Post Office couldn't do that, but didn't think it relevant to say she had been informed that Fujitsu could!! Unbelievable.

@haydoncooper3744 Месяц назад

Never knowingly....so that makes it OK then? No it bloody well doesn't.

@petecypriot Месяц назад

Her contemptuousness is breathtaking. Given her former position, she should be going to prison, not sitting there looking down her nose at the inquiry like it's beneath her to even be there.

@JAS299 Месяц назад

Hard as nails. No remorse whatsoever.

@HenryJasonVarga Месяц назад

Do you want her to commit suicide?

@honorw4125 Месяц назад

I'm only surprised she didn't go the "No comment" route. Good grief, she has no shame 🤦‍♀️

@user-ox9ec1id9x Месяц назад

So she wasn't doing her job if she didn't know these things, so what was she getting paid for ? It was convenient to not notice vital E mails, & to not know departments of the organisation of which she was in charge. It seems that all those in leading roles in the Post Office were incompetent & unfit for their jobs, & that they were all equally forgetful !!

@CaptainFearless1 Месяц назад

spot on other CEO's of other companies can be deemed culpable if they didn't show due diligence to find out the facts...i did not know is not a defence

@kathykay9920 Месяц назад

Prison, prison , prison

@lindaj237 Месяц назад

Hopefully, she will not be believed. And she should be reprimanded for lying. This needs to be referred to the Police, forthwith. No more waiting. Make them all stand up in Court before a judge and jury

@rogernevin7461 Месяц назад

@@CaptainFearless1 But she did know ! the email sent to her of Dec 2010 told her Fujitsu could access the Sub-postmasters accounts remotely ! 2010 ! she didn't let on and continued with unsafe prosecutions against Postmasters and put them through pergatory.

@CaptainFearless1 Месяц назад

its unforgiveable to do that to innocent people

@Quiet_Forge Месяц назад

If "I don't remember" is ever allowed as a defence then the law in the UK will change forever, and anybody will be able to commit any crime they like.

@wish21100 Месяц назад

I’ve never worked at the post office … if I did, I don’t remember it

@mandy59227 Месяц назад

They don't want to admit any wrong doing in case they lose pensions/money. These people high up/ in positions of power are totally inept and hugely irresponsible and dishonest. Hope they all face prosecution

@josephlennon8475 Месяц назад

Great statement @mandy59227. And ,yes. Prison, for all the criminals at the Post Office and Government officials who were responsible for this.

@robintaylor7004 Месяц назад

"Selective amnesia" should be redefined as "Big Corporation witness evidence syndrome"!

@wristopia4101 Месяц назад

She may as well just blame it all on the Tooth Fairy and Santas Elves.

@dontuno Месяц назад

Give it time......

@ChurchyXo Месяц назад

There are a lot of Post Office bosses that were paid a lot of money for apparently "not knowing" ANYTHING that was happening. This women, along with all the other lying liars who lied, need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I can smell the bs from here.

@johnchristmas7522 Месяц назад

Why all this clap trap? THEY SHOULD BE IN PRISON DOING 10YEARS MINIMUM

@PG-ts9xz Месяц назад

This is how the British do it. An inquiry with so much evidence that an old codger of a judge gives them a free get out of jail card. The Diana inquest is the template.

@redlopa1 Месяц назад

Quite bold for the second from the top to claim they didn’t know what was going on, especially after being obviously copied in on so many emails the inquiry has direct access to.

@tonyknight9912 Месяц назад

They are prosecuting hundred of people and yet no one suspected a problem ? Jackanory ! Jackanory ! Jackanory ! The arrogance is breathtaking.

@lynnechapman6202 Месяц назад

Her "apology" (before Jason Beer KC begins to probe her witness statements, stating that there is no 'apology' within her witness statements) is HOLLOW ... just like the "apologies" of the other PO executives / prosecutors / counsels who have been questioned by Mr Beer during the course of the Inquiry. I'd go as far as to say these 'hollow apologies' are actually an insult to the sub-postmasters / sub-postmistresses (and their families) affected by this appalling scandal.

@klockwood3441 Месяц назад

From my point of view she’s either incompetent or compromised. Jason Beer KC tried his hardest to get an apology. These people can never admit that they’re wrong.

@martinpower2439 Месяц назад

Jail this liar

@duesbury2 Месяц назад

Another one going to jail. Lying always …

@dontuno Месяц назад

Here we go again, duck shoving the blame onto someone else/anyone else.

@jeffmcninch6563 Месяц назад

I just hope and pray ALL the Post Office staff whatever their role actually reads these comments and fully comprehend no one believes them or their evidence.

@sm9571 Месяц назад

All the same line your own pockets thats the only thing that matters to alot of ppl, GREED

@davegreenwood1663 Месяц назад

Some jail time will help her selective memory a lot.

@martinwilby8942 Месяц назад

blood on her hands jail her

@andycarter9895 Месяц назад

Having listen to her speak she is an obvious liar and hid the scandal as long as she could. She knowingly sent innocents to jail

@manojbhaskaran1997 9 дней назад

The judge in the civil case, Fraser J, called her out in his judgment and said that anything she said in evidence was not worthy of trust and discarded all of her evidence unless supported by documentation.

@ginghamt.c.5973 Месяц назад

"I didn't Knowingly Know anything!"

@sallygarrington301 Месяц назад

How do these people sleep at night 😮😢

@KeithAdams-bs4du Месяц назад

How is this woman employed by Welsh football still . They surely must question this .

@ginghamt.c.5973 Месяц назад

Really? Shameful

@petemills5704 Месяц назад

She isn’t…fact…u need to check before giving it large.. was there dec 2020- march 2021..4 months

@1inchPunchBowl Месяц назад

@@petemills5704 Giving it large? calm down little man.

@seamuscarmody6579 Месяц назад

Last I heard she was at Integral

@davidd6130 Месяц назад

So may ruined lives from this psychopath. She should be jailed and made penniless

@johngreen6191 Месяц назад

These people are the cream of the crop when it comes to dodging the truth. What a bag of🤬

@peterflynn3657 Месяц назад

Scandalous: bring in a criminal trial as soon as possible. She belongs in gaol along with Vennells and many others.

@markcarlon8558 Месяц назад

There seems to be a lot of apologies coming out of this inquiry, but no one knows anything about it or holds any responsibility for what happened to these innocent people who were locked up, and some took their own lives. There has to be some of the guilty locked up for what they have done.

@josephlennon8475 Месяц назад

No. all of them locked up.

@user-yr5kl1iw3t Месяц назад

I’m confused I’ve watched bits of this enquiry and I’ve watched the film I’m left wondering why did Fujitsu change the amounts in post masters accounts I know they did but why? Also where has all the money gone that the PO made postmasters pay that they did not owe?

@wanderingyoutube Месяц назад

Those are the real question, isn't it

@user-yr5kl1iw3t Месяц назад

Yes I’ve just heard that one postmaster paid the post office £10.000 which he did not owe did the PO pay them back and all the other postmasters back

@fudge619447 Месяц назад

It went into the general profits of the PO, the profitability on which Vennals received her gong.

@user-yr5kl1iw3t Месяц назад

So the government are holding back paying the postmasters for life changing wrongs done to them can’t get why they done start righting the wrongs by paying all the money the postmaster gave the PO that they did not owe then talk about what else they owe these poor people

@kevinthepilgrim5441 Месяц назад

My understanding is that the Horizon software created false shortfalls which meant Horizon automatically locking down the system for a period. Some SPM’s were juggling monies to make up the shortfall in order for next day business to continue. Horizon technicians were covertly accessing the SPM’s accounts overnight to manually override the software bugs. This was done so as not to alert that the Horizon system was flawed and not fit for purpose. This was then covered up by Fujitsu and POL who consequently followed their own policy on criminally investigating SPM’s for the apparent shortfalls and money juggling in the absence of any formal acknowledgement that the software was creating the problem. In other words, there was no actual money lost despite some SPM’s paying off bogus shortfalls to POL as a means of avoiding prosecution and potential jail. I don’t know what POL did with this money. Perhaps it was used to pay management bonuses!

@MRJERRYCURTIN Месяц назад

From her perspective we should be clapping her hard work mind boggling

@nigellee9824 Месяц назад

How can these people run massive companies if they can't remember simple things that were massive at the time..

@lindaj237 Месяц назад

They remember all right, they´re just saying they don´t

@Jazz-tv4qr Месяц назад

I can't believe any company would do this to their employees, no remorse nothing.

@speedbird01 Месяц назад

Just trying to save her own skin, no humility or remorse whatsoever, empty apologies , claw back her salary and bonuses and give them to the subs

@chriswhite6610 Месяц назад

This women need,s to see a doctor as regard,s her amnesia does,nt seem to remember any thing 🤥🤔

@raskinman Месяц назад

No, she needs to be locked up

@brimans3092 Месяц назад

Monopoly. Go Straight To Jail

@johncrook7705 Месяц назад

Staggering attitude from everyone of the Post Office management. The real worry for society is these liars and attitudes are open and no problem for these people

@frankmcconnellogue3351 Месяц назад

It’s amazing that amnesia seems to be prevalent in all of the bosses at this inquiry,funny that .🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

@johnreed8336 29 дней назад

But can remember all their bonus payments . Funny that .

@AndrewLynn-en5ui Месяц назад

Just all lies .

@dardobartoli Месяц назад

For goodness sake people, can you not see she is sorry.... for being caught

@wanderingyoutube Месяц назад

She is happy with her blinders on

@thenglihcollector984 Месяц назад

It must stink of BS in the room today 🤥

@johnreed8336 29 дней назад

And the sound of verbal BS is deafening .

@julian-vm5ec Месяц назад

Take their pensions off them .

@theaveragecyclist5259 Месяц назад

This lady seems one of the worst. She says in hindsight she should have completed better diligence on what was in front of her yet she is not sorry. She was paid a fortune to be this incompetent.

@michaelmouse4024 Месяц назад

She never thought this would happen, thought her email trail was forgotten, thought the PO was untouchable & would protect her & can't quite believe she's in the dock. "It's so unfair!"

@MikeFisher-123 Месяц назад

But she has admitted that she 'missed things'. Surely she wasn't paid a lot of money to 'miss things' that were staring her in the face, because she didn't care to give them enough weight. If she 'missed things' then she wasn't doing her job properly, and surely should apologise for that.

@homegrownpa Месяц назад

I think you'll find their huge salaries were for missing things, not being transparent, lying. They have all clearly shown that.

@user-xw9ob7zh9f Месяц назад

Surely, by “forgetting” critical evidence about knowledge of Fujitsu, she has committed libel in crown court? CPS please investigate!!

@user-po2qb6cm9q Месяц назад

Lock her up

@burnsyboyy7534 Месяц назад

Doesn’t even care, no Remorse what so ever, can’t admit what they do was wrong absolute disgrace and a joke to our industry!!!

@caeserromero3013 Месяц назад

It’s amazing how so many of the execs ‘missed’ the docs that exonerated people….

@Mike_5 Месяц назад

Angela would probably admit herself that her face is not happy

@maffatoo308 Месяц назад

She wouldn’t admit anything !!

@johndrury425 Месяц назад

Does the many instances of 'non memory' from this woman and others, absolve them from proscecution?

@johnreed8336 29 дней назад

Bloody hope not .

@davidhall7744 Месяц назад

What I dont get, and I dont think anyone has asked the question - why did Fujitsu staff amend the balances of subpostmasters accounts?

@johnreed8336 29 дней назад

BONUSES silly .

@davidmullins8472 Месяц назад

Where did she learn how to lie like this? Was it a job requirement?

@louisdisbury9759 Месяц назад

She gave evidence under oath to the high court .......................

@johnclarke-vs9qe Месяц назад

Yes, was told about "remote access" capability of Fujitsu in Dec 2010, Jan 2011, then again in 2013? yet stated to the High Court in 2018, she'd only known about this in the last year? Unbelievable!

@GrandadNorth Месяц назад

Go Jason go ... you get this wicked witch!

@glendanatalia1 Месяц назад

How much more pathetic one can be? Suddenly you are prosecuting hundreds of sub postmasters and you do not ask yourself a simple question ? why are they so many prosecutions when we had, prior to the implementation of the Futjitsu system, none ? She is pathetic .

@marksavage1108 Месяц назад

the post office thought they were being robbed all the time before horizon was installed, they then thought the computer was providing them evidence of the imagined thefts.

@dismalfist Месяц назад

The hand-wringing and scowling of a truly nasty individual about 6 months away from being sued into OBLIVION. Feeling consequences for the first time ever. Starting to realise that big property portfolio, that Jaguar, those pensions might all be going to pricey lawyers over the next decade until she's bankrupted, compensating her victims and the families of the deceased, as the prosecutions she must answer begin. And keep coming. And KEEP coming.

@philtorr-vo5lj Месяц назад

Time these people responsible for putting innocent persons in jail , should themselves be put in prison to face what they did. It is impossible to comprehend how these arrogant people could not see that so many post office personal could be guilty of taking the monies. For the pain she put people through , PRISON it must be.

@streetlegal008 Месяц назад

This is the line that all of the senior POL management will take. Fujitsu corporate have already signalled that they will hold their hands up - while demonstrating that Post Office board was the originator and prime mover of the conspiracy. So senior POL may have been advised to take this line and to 'style out' questions regarding their own conduct. But that is a very high risk strategy for the individuals involved here to take at the inquiry. Candour, or the lack of it, can be the thing that makes the difference between serving jail time and a non-custodial sentence for individuals who will later face prosecution.