Nahh TD garden is awesome. They’ve done a great job building up the area around it with bars and food halls. Also right above a train station which is perfect for getting into the game.
Bc the Celtics don’t own TD. It’s owned by the Jacob’s family owner of the Bruins so they dont get most of the revenue from it. With a new stadium they would
Lifelong Celtics fan and long time season ticket holder here. I grew up going to the old Boston Garden and went to the first game at the Fleetcenter (now TD Garden). You are right and wrong about this news. The Garden (in all its iterations) have always been owned by the Bruins. The Celtics have always used the building rent free, but the arena employees, food service, pro shop, etc are run by (and collect the profits) by Delaware North, which is the Bruins ownership corp. This is why there are no Celtics statues around the building (they are around the city) and up until recently the seats were always black and gold (for the Bruins colors). The Celtics dont even have their own pro shop, just the bruins pro shop that sells Celtics merch. The current Celtics ownership, led by Wyc Grousbeck, bought the team in the 00's and originally wanted to build a separate building for the team. He's said so in interviews before, but it didnt work out. Most recently he mentioned wanting to bring a WNBA team to boston, but could not since they do not own the building. With how much the team is worth compared to when he bought it, add on the recent success, and the WNBA hopes.. I bet the Celtics leave the TD Garden for thier own building.. While the TD Garden remains for the Bruins and for concerts/events. So I bet the Bruins and TD Garden are going no where, but the Celtics are missing out on alot of revenue and opportunity by not having thier own building.
Wyc Grousbeck is delusional about a WNBA if he really believes that......nobody cares about the WNBA, regardless about a Caitlin Clark and nobody would attend 😂
Do the Bruins have priority when it comes to scheduling? Like, when they make the NHL and NBA schedules, they obviously have a number of shared arenas they have to work around, TD Garden being one of them.
Don't listen to this. Celtics signed a 15y lease acouple years ago again with company that owns garden. They also own the bruins too. So they aren't going anywhere
Its ridiculous many arenas built in the mid 90s are fine. Here is my crystal ball prediction. A new arena will be built in Boston and 20 years after that the Celtics will complain and want a newer arena. Its insanity
lol United is pretty old..you have think of technology and internal infrastructure (i.e. plumbing , electrical) it’s fairly outdated. They could do complete gutting like MSG a couple of years..might as well start fresh? But I highly doubt since Illinois is super broke
Yeah those darn leases.. They seem to get in the way. Video is BS. They are not building anything in Mass for a long time. Like saying the Pats want a new stadium.
I work in architecture. Unlike the arenas of yesteryear, the ones built in the mid 90's were all specifically designed so they can easily be renovated. Almost all the arenas that went up in the 60's and 70's only had a 20 year lifespan and cities who were investing in these projects did not want that to happen again. There is a trend emerging with super luxury arenas, but to justify the multi billion dollar price tag, you need a hefty STH base that is willing to put up 6-figures a year, which is really only economical in select cities like LA or NY
From MA, would be a big mistake by the city / team to leave TD. The location on Causeway has a ton of businesses and restaurants attached and next to it. Doubt the Bruins would leave, so you're gonna take up space in Boston for 2 full size arenas and create competing locations for concerts etc?
exactly. That’s why I don’t believe him. I’ve been to the Garden as a huge Celtics fan and there’s no way they get rid of it. They just spend hundreds of millions on the Hub on Causeway and the fans don’t express frustration with anything. Plus the location is perfect with the T and next to all those businesses on Canal.
The only reason the C's would consider moving is because the Garden is owned by Bruins ownership (despite that as others have pointed out, the C's signed a long lease extension). Otherwise I don't think they would leave Boston proper even for an inner suburb, it would just be a bad look. I don't know if anywhere in Boston proper with the amount of open real estate needed for a hotel/casino/arena complex and all the parking required. People love the location of the garden and how accessible it is by public transit. The Garden could definitely use an exterior renovation at this point but the interior is actually nice as hell by any standard. They're not going anywhere.
This is not true the Celtics are not moving. They are locked in on a lease with the Boston Bruins. He also stated that the Boston Bruins would likely move in with the Boston Celtics if they moved and that would never happen because Jeremy Jacobs currently owns the TD Garden and Jeremy Jacobs would never give up owning the TD Garden to rent somewhere else.
@@Trainfan310 same. It was so so shocking. I’m happy about the Tatum and DWhite news but I’m just hoping the new owners understand they’re in Boston and keep trying to compete for championships
Okay, here we go again...we have a team that has played in a stadium/arena for decades, in this case the Bruins and Celtics in the Boston Garden which opened in 1928. They move into a new arena, TD Garden, in 1995 and now you are telling us the 30-year-old arena is obsolete and needs to be replaced... while the previous one lasted 70 years. 🙄
DG, a casino/arena is not in any way happening with a new casino. I could see them going up to partner with Encore and Kraft’s soccer stadium, but the Massachusetts legislature would need to approve any additional casino. And the people in South Eastern Mass still have not built the one allocated to that region. Plus, Encore has exclusivity rights in Eastern Mass. They aren’t giving up that market to another casino. While you may have heard that “sources” from perhaps inside the Celtics WANT to build a new arena in 5 years, that’s not happening. It took 20 years of planning just to get this one built.
It's clear the video creator knows nothing about the Boston area. It makes no financial sense to build a casino within 5 miles of the existing one even if they got around the red tape of the local government and any deal(s) Encore has. Moving to Everett where Encore is doesn't make any sense either, it's not as good a location as where the TD Garden is now.
You got a good source. Mannix reported this shortly after the selling of team. Wic probably couldnt get funds for new arena and couldnt afford what the team will cost.
People need to realize that the Bruins own TD Garden and the Celtics are merely renting it out. If the Celtics have their own building, they'll be able to make more money through such avenues as sponsorships and they'll be able to manage the luxury tax situation better. Just look at what the Golden State Warriors are doing.
To say the TD Garden isn’t special is a dang lie first of all and secondly this ain’t happening anytime soon. It’s counter productive to renovate the garden back in 2018 then to turn around and build a new arena for the sake of… other NBA teams doing so. Stop it, this is rat poison
Hey these videos about new arenas and stadiums are getting stupid. The Celtics have no plans to move neither do the Bruins . The just did major renovations a few years back. How about doing a video about the Detroit Pistons, and Red Wings moving to a new arena.
Two problems with your thought of a new Celtics arena. First. There is absolutely nowhere inside Rt. 128 ( I-95 ) to build an 20k seat arena. Unless they dig up the Public Gardens or drop it in the middle of Boston Common. Secondly Mass is only allowing the two casinos and the one slot parlor to be open. All of which have been open for years. The only exception to this is if the Wampanoag tribe gets some things done and opens a casino on their land. But their land is further away from Boston then Foxboro is, and there isn't any public transit service to the area from Boston either.
Cmon bro there's no place to put a new arena anywhere in the city or metro area. Boston is a tiny city and it's crazy expensive. There's just no room for it.
A friend of mine said when being in the upper deck of the Boston Garden, you could see the rats crawling above you. He also said there were "obstructed" view seats; which meant you had a 3 foot wide barricade in front of you.
Harry Sinden once said that the engineers told him that the old Garden steel girders were getting tired. Having been in the second balcony during a particulaly crazy playoff game against Buffalo, I can confirm, the structural steel was getting tired, and very 'bouncy'. 😂 The homage to the old garden in the new Hub building was brilliant. I love it.
@@SuperDave30he doesn’t tho. I doubt he’s ever been to one the way he talks. Just because something was built in 95 doesn’t make it decrepit. The arena was just renovated in 2018. It’s connected to massive transport. It’s not going anywhere.
@@tvd1188the seaport is a pain in the ass to get to. There’s no public transportation other than the silver line. Any open land there would just be used for more high end condos.
Listen DG. The only way they leave TD Garden is if they rebuild it. They just build the Hub on Causeway. They don’t have any problems with it. I don’t believe you. I’m sorry. Also. The Bruins own the arena. The only way they move is if Grousbeck helps Jacobs fund it. Edit: I’d like to apologize, DG, with new ownership this could be spot on
The only redeeming part of this story is that this new arena would be privately funded. It would be a shame to see the Celtics and Bruins move away from their roots on Causeway Street. I really don't see this happening anytime soon.
I get they are gonna fund it themselves but the NHL & NBA can both fit into the same arena. Share it ! And we need to start getting arenas & stadiums lasting 50+ years especially with todays technology enough with this new stadium every 20 year crap that the Atlanta Braves started 🤦🏻♂️
@@jmathurin207 I guess, but I don’t think the nba would allow it. I see FSG or a local business group buy it, and the new arena thing can’t happen until maybe 2034. The lease is until 2036, so if a new owner happens to want to move I’d see it around then.
Why does it take 8 minutes to repeat so and so team needs a new arena with a casino and hotel or so and so NFL team needs a new stadium with a translucent roof or so and so MLB team needs a stadium with an attached ballpark village and drinking rails? So every team needs a new stadium now with a village, translucent roof, casino and hotel. Got it!
I'm assuming that "attached to a casino" means they want to move to Everett (Encore). 1. Getting there sucks there's no public transit, and there's only 1 parking garage that's under the casino that fills up on a normal night, forget an extra 20k for games. 2. Bob Kraft already wants to build a 15k/20k soccer stadium across the street which is the only build-able area with the Mystic River behind the casino. Also the Bruins (Delaware North) own TD Garden and dumped a shit-ton of money into it so there's no way they're moving.
The creator of this video clearly knows nothing about the Boston area and if not totally making this up, did no verification from whomever his source is. There's already a casino within 5 miles of the TD Bank Garden. The TD Bank Garden sits on top of North Station, one of the two big transit stations in downtown Boston meaning its in a perfect location and they're not going to easily find a better one. There isn't clear open space in Boston to build something this significant at ay reasonable cost. It would surely cost well more than the $1.5 billion the video creator claims. It makes no financial sense for the Celtics. They didn't have to pay to build the TD Bank Garden in the first place, it belongs to the Bruins and they have a lease. Why take on that massive cost when they can just continue to go with the lease? Especially because the things underpinning the theory, that they are going to build a casino with it is never going to happen and would be insanely stupid even if the local government approved it because there's already one right there.
OK, so Major question here when we bring this up what percentage of funding was paid for by the government for TD Garden? I also believe that 5% at most public funding was used for Gillette Stadium so assuming they actually do this as an entirely privately funded arena construction Does Boston have the least amount of funds Major going to their sports venues? And if not, what city has the least amount of public funds going to their sports venues?.
Zero. All private. Some surrounding roads etc were built and improved for Gillette, but that's pretty normal business. We don't build arenas for sports clubs around here.
If they hadn't started building a skyscraper over it, South Station might've been a plausible site. Other side of the Fort Point Channel does have enough land. They also never sold the Hynes as far as I'm aware. The fit would be a little tight there, but it should be technically possible, and that site would have the benefit of the entire entertainment district already around it. This won't happen though, not in the near- to mid- future anyway. This dude does not give much reason not to doubt.
I don't know what this guy is smoking and don't want any of that. TD Garden is hands down the best arena for hockey and basketball. You have the arena, subway and train station underneath, a Stars Supermarket, Starbucks, and a few other stores. There are hundreds of resturants within walking distance, if the food hall isn't your thing. You can't for the life of me convince me there are better arenas.
Coming from someone who works within a mile of the place, it's in a perfect location. It's on top of North Station, one of the two biggest transit stations in the city. It's right near the North End with a ton of Italian restaurants. It's right next to 93, the highway going north out of the city. They'd be insane to move.
As a coyotes fan I agree with this statement. No way I’m supporting the Utah team. In the meantime of putting my fandom into the Bruins. I’ve always rooted for Boston sport’s second to Phoenix teams
@@davidlafleche1142 unfortunately I agree with that statement. I believe we will get a team back someday considering multiple cities have gotten second chances but I believe it’s going to take 10 - 20 years.
The Gahden is awesome and has a great vibe and location. But if a casino will help with construction so it could be attached to it they will do it. Here on Massachusetts are always the last ones to upgrade holding on to old stadiums. It will be great and have many more options for entertainment it's all about the money. More money for the team. The Bruins will be involved as well.
This makes perfect sense to me. Wyc and the other Celrics owners have limited revenue since the Bruins (Jacobs) own the current arena. Meanwhile, the payorll penalties are huge, and are getting bigger. All thiese fans who have commented that the Celts don't need a new arena will be the first do complain when Derek White is allowed to walk after next season. IF you want any chance at a Celtics Dynasty, Wyc has to increase revenues... even if he has give up equity in the team to get the investment. Mark Cuban, who is far richer, had to do just that, in order to get investment for a new Mavs complex.
@@sirchi8731 Like a return of the Glory Days, when Rick Barry led the Oakland Oaks to the 1968 ABA Championship? If I remember, '50s crooner Pat Bonne was one of tre owners. Pat just turned 90... see if he's still interested in a basketball franchise. :)
I am sorry but there has been no word in Boston about this. For years as is mentioned, the land would be used for MLS and the revolution... owned by the Kraft Family ( Patriots owner)...... The land is about a 10 minute drive from where the TD Garden sits now.. and.....yeah... every report for years has been about the MLS Revolution. Depressed Ginger can you please confirm you've seen the reports for the Revolution? Thank you
Not sure if u knew this but celtics just signed another 15y lease wit the company thats owns td garden, who also owns the bruins acouple years ago. So unless they buy out that lease they aren't going anywhere. Sorry to let u down. Would have been nice though. So just a rumor thats all
This is more about the Celtics not owning the Garden. The Celtics valuation would increase with a new arena and if ownership is paying a lot of luxury tax then they would want to increase revenue potential
Yeah this is the only reason I could see for them to want to leave a really good arena in a good part of Boston. That, and maybe the slightly below-average capacity, though that really doesn't matter much these days. I would see it more likely that the Celtics try to fork over a hefty sum for a 50% share of TD Garden from the Jacobs.
@@sirchi8731 actual relocation would effectively be a thorough self deletion for the Celtics and Bruins. No way that's happening. No reason for it either, both teams get ample support from Boston and are engrained in the city's cultural zeitgeist at a generational level.
Who are you and what makes you think you have a clue? What "connections" do you have in Massachusetts? You really don't have any idea. Why wouldn't the Bruins move with the Celtics? Ahhhhhh, the Jacobs, who own the Bruins, also own TD Garden so why would the Bruins leave. Massachusetts is not allocating any more casino licenses. There is a Wynn Casino in Everett, about five miles outside of Boston. A. There will not be another large casino in Boston. B. The Celtics will not move to Everett. Do some homework.
Does this guy realize that the TD Garden is actually owned by the Boston Bruins owner? The Celtics are just tenants to the Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs. The only way the Celtics get a new Arena is if the Bruins get one. It wouldn't make any sense to have 2 separate indoor pro sports arenas in Boston.
I thought Kraft was putting the Revolution's new stadium at the old LNG plant next to Encore. B's & C's in separate buildings feels so weird (Orr/bird, etc.). But northeastern is tearing down Matthews arena next year, so ....
Boston, should stay at Toronto-Dominion Garden until Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup or beat the Bruins in a 7 game series or the Raptors beat the Celtics in a 7 game series
There's nothing wrong with Toronto Dominion (TD) Bank Group Garden. If they move, will it be in the City of Boston or a suburb of Boston in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts?
The Jacobs family own and operate Toronto Dominion (TD) Bank Group Garden. They also own Delaware North Companies, Inc., headquartered in Buffalo, New York. They own racetracks, casinos and are big in the hospitality industry.
The area around TD Garden used to be run down, old, and unsafe. Over the past 5 years or so, there has been a ton of construction around the area and now it is one of the greatest areas in the city of Boston. Since North Station and the MBTA Commuter rail station is in the same building as TD Garden, it doesn't seem likely the Celtics will move out of the building any time soon.
People keep posting ‘nothing is wrong with this or that arena’. Thats not the issue. These guys competed in business long before they did on the court, it’s about winning the profit game also. In fact, I bet these guys get more of a charge out of getting a brand new arena built and than they do winning a championship. They don’t think like you and I think that’s how they got to be billionaires. Good enough is not good enough.
North Americans need to stop dishing out money for new arenas. If a team wants a new arena, then the owner can build it with 100% of their own money. This place isn't even 30 years old. Boston Garden was nearly 70 years old when it was replaced.
From MA, The original garden was the fenway park of arenas. Nothi g would suprise me. So the celtics going to Everette? Or to fort Point? Old feuit and meat market?
"It's in a bad location" It's literally on top of a train station and right off the highway. It's about the only thing that's easy to get to in Boston.
I'm not saying you're a liar, but as a wise man on a duckboat's t-shirt once said "state your source." Celtics might announce they want a new arena but I'm gonna go with "I doubt it."
I find it ridiculous that all of these arenas and football/baseball stadiums want to be replaced after 25-30 years! It's nuts really! The old Garden was used for almost 70 years! Not saying every stadium/arena needs to be utilized for 70 years but damn.. 25-30 years just seems like a waste of money...
There’s nothing wrong with the arena they got now. It’s not even that old. Cmon give me a break. As an Isles fan I waited almost 50 years for a new arena. Stooooooooppppp!!!!!.
