HOOPER: Can you answer this one, or make a video with suggestions to this fantasy event? Would be super fun to see a mix of all the strongest freaks on earth, with different kinds of strength to compete in a hybrid competition like this: Day 1: Fullbody strongman based Deadlift: 320kg(1 point per rep) for reps OR 400kg for reps (5 points per rep) Loglift clean and press: 145kg for reps (1 point per rep) 185kg for reps (5 points per rep) Frontsquat: Increase 25kg per attempt, starting from 200kg until people fall of - last man standing wins. (If its only a few ppl left and the last rep was very very heavy, they can start jumping less kilo if everyone agree, to seperate the last one). Keg over bar for height: Max height (This to include the shot putter and explosive athletes) Day 2: Calisthenics max strength based + Moving events Pull ups for max total weight w/neutral grip (for less shoulder stress): Same style as frontsquat, last man standing. (strict rules like max pull-up competitions) Dips for max total weight: Last man standing (same style) Zercher walk for distance / time: 200-250kg, 30-50 meter. (custom made suited bar and weights for viewer effect) Medley: Anchor drag =} Farmers walk =} Power stairs Competitors suggestions: Joe kovacz Mountain Man Mitchell Hooper Andrey Smaev Larry Wheels Olekssi Novikov Pavlo Kordyaka Ivan macarov
Dr. Mike Israetel had a pretty entertaining "debate" with Joel Seedman. At one point, Joel specifically said he puts the more weird exercises as thumbbails becsuse itll draw atrention, but he doesnt completely agree on the effectiveness of them. Meaning hes making his athletes do weird shit just because its weird. It was also quite entertaining to watch him fumble around and not be able to put together a coherent answer when Dr. Mike would simply ask "Why?". If the PhD cant answer a few "Why"s about their training philosphy, thats more red flags than an amusement park.
This “debate” was funny because if I remember correctly, Seedman was on Mark Bell’s podcast and Mark surprised him by bringing in Israetel to basically ambush him lol. Seedman would never voluntarily debate anyone who actually knows anything.
Biomechanics PhD candidate here, Joel Seedman is a complete joke. He has no peer reviewed publications in any respectful journal. He has no profile on google scholar or ResearchGate. The purpose of a PhD is to show that you are able to be an independent scientist and do research. His PhD means nothing, as he does not do or understand research. His website has a list of his "publications" and it's just a bunch of random articles he wrote that got posted on various websites.
When my sons were in high school, they had a trainer that believed these things such a quarter squats only and partial benches. I had trained my sons at home doing powerlifting and other styles of lifting. It was interesting that my sons were the strongest athletes in the school. The athletes trained by the trainer were always injured, and grew weaker. and weaker throughout the season. My sons were always getting yelled at for doing full range of motion. And heavier weights. I had to fight many battles with the trainer.
@@jonstewart5386 I’ve tried to be polite with him, as I’d like to think I have something to learn from everyone. But he contradicts himself from time to time. For example, he showed banded Nordic curls. By his 90 principle, athletes should go from stomach on the ground up to perpendicular. But that’s tough. He was promoting “quarter” Nordic curls. As is his style.
I’m still amazed that people work so hard to convince people that new unusual methods work better than decades of proven methods with proven results from the top athletes. You don’t need a gimmick to be a good coach.
Hey Mitchell, I love your videos. As a licensed, practicing physical therapist assistant, I want to point out that Joel Seedman uses the terms “active range of motion” (AROM) and “passive range of motion” (PROM) incorrectly. AROM means that the exerciser is moving the joint by himself/herself. PROM means that someone else is moving the joint for the exerciser because he/she is physically unable to move the joint. During a PROM exercise, the exerciser does not actively move the joint, but instead is passive…hence the term passive range of motion. Thus, Seedman saying that “x portion of the squat is the PROM” is straight up wrong. The entire squat is active range of motion. Either Seedman is so stupid, he doesn’t know what AROM and PROM actually means, or he’s purposely lying about the definitions to sell his stuff. Either way, that shows you how not credible Seedman is
First you exposed Eddie’s calorie exaggerations, and now you dismantled this clown’s ideas. I don’t know what to call this series, but it’s my favorite content you produce.
His voice is echoing and it may be reflecting off the glass in front of him and the mic is sensitive enough to pick it up I bet if he moves the glass his voice would not echo as long/ bad
a PERSONAL trainer saying everyoine's body is the same?! lmfao, why do people pay more for personal training, then? To hit on their trainer? lmao. Thanks for explaining this to people, Mitch. This guy's got every red-flag in the book, and you're doing a great job explaining it. LHBK!
Saying someone shouldn't practice competition depth on squat is like telling an olympic weightlifter to ONLY do snatch grip deadlifts and overhead squat for their snatch progress
Whenever I hear people say they want to do "stability" exercises, my response is, "So you don't want to effectively train the target muscle? Got it, we'll do something that wastes time then!"
I'm working on my master's now and I have the same issues with him that you do from an educational standpoint. Those letters, "Dr," gave him a career based on one unremarkable paper that resulted in no further research. He's a textbook example of how the PhD should not be handed out to anyone who invests the time and money in the pursuit of one. The recent breakdancing debacle at the Olympics, where an Australian woman with a PhD on breakdancing culture embarassed herself and her country, is another illustrative example of how doctorates are losing their credibility as signs of authority and expertise. Seedman is particularly bad since he will certainly get people hurt.
If I'm not mistaken, he saw one study that said 90 degrees at the knee on the squat had the highest force. He decided that makes anything lower than 90 degrees is bad. Then he extrapolated that to every joint in the body. And then he added a religious element and said that's the way god intended us to operate.
Seedman's grift- It's hard to make money teaching basic lifting techniques, which can be learned fairly quickly on your own, so you develop complicated proprietary techniques only you know, push that they are superior, and charge clients to teach them the unique "secrets"
"90°" seems disingenuous when generally people tend to think of 90° from vertical i.e. what we would call 'parallel' (with the floor), as opposed to the angle made at e.g. the knee, which is obviously extended out over the toes making a quarter squat actually '90°' at the knee.
Is Joel Seedman copying something that was popular in the late 90's. I remember in 1997 I was squating down to parallel on my squats. I had one of "strong" guys in the gym come up to me and tell me all I had to so was hit 90 degrees in my joint angles. There were a bunch of people at this gym training like this. Needless to say I ignored them.
Like your opinions on this, but i would like to note that your audio on this video is not great. Not sure if there was a change in mic or location or both, but sounds like you are talking into a metal can. don't want that to take away from message just some constructive criticism.
I am real glad that your using your platform, achievements, and knowledge to inform people of all the horse$%&# about physical training that's on social media. Not only are you educated in the subject but you also seem to have the intelligence to question the efficacy of the information being taught. (some don't)
The reason people like Joel Seedman get any kind of following is because they promise a magic solution that is less work than what it really takes to build muscle and get strong...
His 90 degree squat hurts my eyes and my heart. It not because of the depth. I am not a judgemental person. The way he snap the knees when he come up is really hard for me to look at. When it come to depth, my belief is that as lone as the person know how low they are going, it is good. What is bad is when a person think they going ATG but in reality they are doing a seedman. I would recomend this 90 degree squat to anyone recovery from a coma or to anyone I just dont like.
Most people want the secret to gains so they eat this shit up from Joel. Its because most people have 0 intensity and work out for 3 months thinking they should be jacked now. Intensity + consistency + time = gains Basic movements work. It's your motivation and intensity that suck!
Arguably worse... Howard being an uneducated outsider makes it easy for even people without deep education in physics and math to call out his BS, while as Hooper very properly pointed out, Seedman hides behind his academic credentials to dismiss valid counterpoints.
Seed man has never squatted past 45° let alone to 90. The Moose is much nicer than I would ever be. I videod myself doing 325 1RM and then a 225 warmup, and when I saw I wasn't hitting past 90, I found something to touch my butt to so I had a cue to go off of. Dropped the weight to 225 working sets and rebuilt my squat.
Like I've said before, luv you and your content. With your Education and your accomplishments in Strongman, Your advice definately dominates anyone else online. This guy is basically telling everyone stuff that will get them injured !! If they break the precipice of that 90*, they will plummet to the bottom of the lift bcuz they went beyond their strength range !! Keep putting out the CORRECT Advice and inspiational videos.. Your awesome attitude and intent to help people make you One of the Best inspirations in Strongman !!🤜🤛
Almost always correct. PhD is a research doctorate. There are clinical doctorates which are not research based. DNP (doctor of nursing practice), DPT (doctor of physical therapy). In the world of academic knowledge we are information rich but implementation poor. The role of clinical doctorate is is to help bridge the gap and understand and implement the most up to date research in daily practice. Source- I’m a DNP.
@@What-he5pr I was responding to a comment he made near the beginning of the video numbnuts. How about if you don’t like my comment, just mind your own business?
I would love to hear Mitch's perspective of Squat University. I love the channel and have improved my lifting with less pain by following their advice.
You know, I believe they are! I had not even noticed. He must be trying to "engage his ankles" by greatly increasing the rotational torque on his knees.
My ears perked up a little when Injury Risk Factors Associated with Weight Training was mentioned. I'm no academic in the realm of kinesiology, so I could be totally wrong, but wouldn't Movement be a factor in Injury, along with Age, Load and Volume? Someone could be in their physical prime, moving a weight that is within their tolerable range, and a volume that is within safe or acceptable parameters, but if their movement pattern is off, that could risk undue force on bone tissue and damage to soft tissue, right? I'm just imagining someone squatting or deadlifting but then they suddenly pitch forward and turn the squat into a painful looking goodmorning, or their barbell lift off the floor is all in their hyper flexed back.
"Personal Trainers" like this are exactly why I've lost hope on becoming a P.T over the years. Dishonest marketing and connections matter far more than results it seems.
His quarter squats are good for verticle explosiveness. You can go heavier in the range that is used for jumping. But rhey should be used in conjunction with either full or competition squats if you are looking for the verticle wxplosivebess in sports
Mitchell I wished what you were saying “He’s only doing this for social media and not at his actual gym” was true. I went to UGA and I’ve worked out at the campus gym and saw him training people the same way he posts videos…. Absolutely wild lol
I wonder how he reacts to people linking the growing body of research on lengthened training. I knew from jump he was a charlatan but the fact that the research is so specifically opposite to his methods is just funny
The dumbest part of the 90⁰ protocol is that he changes up whether it's the top half or the bottom half depending on the movement. Bench press? Peak flexion BAD. Pull up? Peak contraction BAD.
I think sports-oriented lifters need to divorce from aesthetic-oriented trainers because we use similar language but with completely different contexts, and in some cases different meanings. Weightlifter, Strongmen, powerlifters, track and field athletes, etc. all have objective performance metrics to achieve. So questions about squat depth depend on what phase of training they are in and what exactly they are training for. Sprinters may want squat deep off season but do quarter or half reps during their season. An aesthetic lifter's metric is just "do I look bigger". Maybe you don't need full ROM for that. I don't really know. But if I didn't squat to full depth, I wouldn't be able to full snatch and squat clean, and if I can't do those things, then I can't run as fast as possible.
Based on his squats 6:52 I'm thinking maybe he means his knee joint is forming a 90 degree angle? Rather than what I think most people would mean, which is that your femurs are parallel to the ground (90 degrees from vertical)
i have been loving these videos, you gave me a correction in the comments on a previous one and these have just given me more and more to research; keep it up! on the equipment theres also a danger to dropping fast in especially single ply of blowing out your suit or shirt and if your raw max is 365 but your single ply bench is 500 you are screwed if the shirt blows theres reason we come down slow also tight gear just makes it hard to touch in general i would love to see joel try to survive an equip session
Thanks for dispelling the Joel Seedman myths.I'd say you and Dr Mike Iratael are great for learning about your individual disciplines. Also Athlean X is great for injury avoidance/rehab, but I know your an authority as well so would be good to hear more of your knowledge on this subject as well. I.e what accessory work do you do alongside your strongman training, if any?
Mitch I get this guy is a clown, my question is why are you even covering him? I would guess most of your subscribers would rather hear about your training. Your the star here man :)
I think there is something to the idea that squatting completely ass to grass is not as beneficial for hypertrophy as simply going below parallel. To be clear tho what seedman is recommending is insane, and bro science and real science alike tell you its BS and won't work. I do think tho that not "bottoming out" your range of motion to the point where your hitting the end of your joints has benefits. Personally I find that the very bottom of the squat is: A) the most limited by ankle mobility which I personally struggle with, and B) begins to allow you to rest somewhat on your structure, bones tendons etc. in ways that don't happen in the first 80% of the squat and C) you can use more load and balance it more comfortably if you go most of the way down but not till youre truly locked out at the bottom. D) when I squat allllll the way down with weight it almost becomes more of a core bracing movement than a leg movement which requires a lot of internal pressure and neural drive going to things that are not the main movers of the weight. (Not bad if you want a strong core, but also taking away from potential leg gains) Id personally say if you can go full atg comfortably that's great and if you have that as a goal for other reasons thats also great but just for strength training is not really necessary and might actually kinda hurt you gains wise.
Now I absolutely have to hunt up the Telander/Seedman training swap - sounds highly illuminating. (And entertaining!) Having watched some of Ben Patrick's (Knees over Toes guy's) stuff recently, it strikes me that he and Seedman are about as opposite in concepts as it's possible to be... Patrick does have his hobby horse, but to my inexpert eye it seems like a rather more sensible one than Seedman's. By the way, thanks for a nice clear explanation of principles and the supporting research.
RIP to one of the better channels on RU-vid. It was a good rub, but it's been eaten by the algorithm. If you ever return we will be here to welcome you back.
You were kind to Dr Seedman with the videos you show of the man. There are some real "gems", bamboo-squatbar full of bands with kettlebells swinging to name one. Want to see a less kind video watch the one Dr Mike did on Seedman.
