Funny how in a group of freshly liberated slaves, God didn't think to make "thou shall not own slaves" one of the commandments. If God had issued that commandment then, it's hard to imagine any pushback since they all suffered from it firsthand, and then their children who would grow up in this culture would grow up being told that slavery was a big no-no. Instead God thinks it more important that we know how creepy and bad it is to boil a kid in it's mother's milk, which yeah okay that is pretty fucked up, but was that really the most pressing moral concern?
Dude, you would totally fit in on documentaries, which are scholarly critical of religious ideas and the scriptures that inspire them. You speak so eloquently and confidently.
Personally, the fear of Hades is not daunting to me in the most minuscule sense of the term. If the Abrahamic God doesn't exist, then his Hell is fictitious. It's that simplistic. Even if there's a hellish alterdimension, I refuse to fear such a hypothetical scenario as long as there's no concrete evidence for its petrifying existence ❤
Hey man, just want you to know I love your videos. Great vibe, beautiful attitude, nice voice … and in your whole approach, you just strike a nice balance between being gentle and kind, but also assertive in your opposition to the harmfulness of faith. As an ex-fundie, it’s so cathartic and validating to hear someone broadcast this message.
As an ex-Pentecostal of 20 years... "The truth shall set you free" Indeed! Just discovered your channel recently. I agree with others- you're a delicious blend of foil to Apologists and scholarly bible channel.
oh man, you are all so kind. It is really encouraging and motivating to hear I'm filling a gap. My goal is pretty simple, i just want to provide people what I hope would have helped me during my stages of doubting and digging and deconversion. Thanks for being here!
Great summation without getting bogged down with all the problematic parts of the story. Now that’s a challenge! I studied Egypt quite a bit in a history of architecture class in college. Zero mention of any large group of Jews being in or leaving Egypt. Being meticulous record keepers there would have been quite a bit about the proposed Bible story if it had happened. There is nothing.
My study of Exodus is very simple. There is no proof there was a Moses much less parted the Red Sea or his snake tricks. SO to me it is a myth to just read as you would Greek mythology. SO I see no need to do a deep dive study for a religious reason. If you are taking a course in college on mythology then that would be a great study. If this was the only chapter filled with myth then you might be able to say it is true based on the books around it. But is is surrounded by myths in other chapters. Because of the influence the bible has on our life today, want it or not, time should be spent studying it with a historical perspective. Being educated in the bible can help guide you thought the fundamentalist Christian mess in modern America. That being said, you did a great job in your analysis.
Thank you much. and yes you nailed it. I have read greek myths because its interesting, but i care and talk about the bible so much because of its use in modern culture. I cant wait to civilization wakes up and gets a better book.
very good points on the absence of actual historical evidence for the huge numbers of jewish slaves in egypt and the detrimental effects of their fleeing the land; also the exodus story was edited out from the slave bible editions (at least in some areas) so as to remove hope and inspiration from the african slaves (only the quakers - a persecuted sect within christianity themselves - resisted the concept of enslaving others).
Dang it! i totally forgot to mention the "slave bible" this is what happens when you do not script, ha. Thank you for watching and your comments on the points about evidence. Other than Rome/Greece, Egypt was THE record keeper of the ancient world. Its insane to fathom they dont have anything on these biblical events if they were indeed, true.
@@MindShift-Brandon next time a special episode on the black bible, maybe ;-) i understand the importance of addressing biblical filth since i was brought up on the 'orthodox' poison myself.
I don't want to inflate your ego, but your videos are the best Bible teaching I have ever heard! I was a Christian for around 30 years. Theodysy was what finally freed me!
Im so hyped for you to do revelation. I understand everything you say and its easy to folllow up. I once also was christian and my boyfriend still is. He knows that I struggled strong with faith for about 2 years and in may this year I told him that I will never go back worshipping this God. I read the bible and my moral views couldnt hold up. These videos help me to not feel alone with this view and Im so happy being free and being an atheist. Last week my Boyfriend and I talked about heaven and hell and I asked him if he thinks I would go to hell and if he sees this as just. (Maybe too harsh) He couldnt answer and went around the question and told me that in revelation after 1000 years God would do some kind of new asking if he is lord or not typa thing. I never heard of something like this or read it. Revelation is a book I struggle with because there is so much selfthinking and or taking literal. He said that this is just if you just suffer for 1000 years and after that god would ask you and you get another chance. This answer kinda calmed me down but I know that this is still wrong (crazy how indoctrination still works). I want to tell him that this is morally still wrong but I cant not until I understand revelation. Thank you
@@MindShift-Brandon "Tabernacle and the ark of the covenant are rad in concept" --- Indeed, as is the Id, Ego, and Superego after which all of human consciousness is fashioned. Nay... they just made it up. Stupid ancients!
I used to be a preacher. I studied the word of God, I meditated on it, I defended it, I preached it, it was my life. I'm now an atheist, and now I still read it, but without my God glasses and I can see it for what it really is. It's mythology. Greek, Roman, Norse, and all kinds of mythology were once believed to be true, but they're still fascinating. So is the Bible. It's fascinating mythology, but so many people think it's truth, just like ancient peoples believed their mythology to be true.
Totally. The Bible is much more interesting now that I don't have to assume it's divinely authored and can appreciate it as influential ancient literature.
The promise to Abraham's descendants is where things get tricky. What a lot of people don't know (even Paul--see Galatians 4:25) is that Abraham had MORE than two sons. After Sarah died, Genesis 25 says that Abraham married a woman named Keturah and she bore him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, MIDIAN, and Shuah. If I recall correctly the Midianites tangled with the Israelites several times on the way to the Promised Land. What is even more interesting is that verses 5 and 6 say that Abraham left everything he owned to Isaac "but while he was still alive he gave presents to the sons his other wives had borne him." Was Hagar considered a wife? Because if she was not and verse 6 refers to Sarah, then it should read "his other wife", not "wives". So were there others besides Sarah and Keturah? It certainly changes things!
Thank you! It's nice to see someone that doesn't just bash the book outright or accept what some doctrine says it means. This is old, important stuff and our world is impacted by it, like it or not. I personally believe that it is a fictional story of deliverance and how to do what is right.
Thank you for the kind words and appreciate that you see it as fictional. We will have to agree to disagree on the last part, though. Doing what is right is not at all what I found in the bible. Sure god didnt like his people in captivity, but he turned that same group of salves into slave owners on his own command and endorsement almost immediately afterward.
@@MindShift-Brandon Regardless of what I write, please don't read it as argumentative. If it sounds that way, I mistyped. The things you are saying about slave ownership, is all part of the lesson being taught. Exodus 21 is an example of how to Judge, just like it says it is in verse #1... it is not a set of rules. It uses slaves in the example to show there should be no difference between how you are to treat slaves and free. It's easy to get confused when you misread it and are conditioned to think that God is saying you can "buy people and beat them as long as they don't die in a couple of days". Regardless of how easy slavery is to dismiss in the modern first-world and it's ability to spread debt over tens-of-millions of people in the form of interest payments, such things weren't always that way and using these things as examples of deeper meaning do not in any way authorize people to treat others wrong. There are zero examples in Scripture of a righteous person mistreating someone considered a "slave". There are zero beatings, zero chain-gangs, zero slave-quarters... the "slaves" in every way lived with and were part of the family. Heck, Abraham's slave, Eleazar, was in charge of his entire household and was to be his heir after death! There are dozens of examples of righteous people giving their slaves money to travel, weapons to fight and freedom to roam. Not one sex-slave to be found. Philemon, I believe, is the last example of a slave in these writings and Paul may have asked for his "freedom", but at the same time, Philemon was traveling abroad with someone who wasn't his owner doing his own things. Churches are incapable of thinking this because it would require them to acknowledge that Jesus didn't come magically save them from all these old writings.. they are instruction in how to live and he lived them. I'm not a church-goer and don't have a fight to pick with anyone that isn't. I wish people that claim this book would actually live this book and not use just parts of it to exonerate their horrible actions. I appreciate your content. Peace.
so kind my man, and so wrong. I have two videos on slavery if you want to understand my points better or we can make a video of it and walk through it verse by verse.
Love your grand plan of covering all 66 books. I’ve been going book-by-book with my HarperCollins Study Bible + any commentaries (secular and religious) on hand and it is eye-opening. Book of Nahum, for instance: God claims credit for another country’s military victory, and uses metaphors of abuse of women while doing so. 😳Yikes.
DeMille made two versions of The Ten Commandments - 1923 & 1956. I am really enjoying this series. Your matter-of-fact presentation here is a nice change from some of the "debunking hatchet jobs." Thanks again.
@@MindShift-Brandon Anytime! I went to college for marketing like back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth. I'm super impressed with how you've managed to grow this channel so fast. You have a good head for this, so I don't mind at all.
Thank you for providing an example of an atheist that thinks the Bible is worth understanding. 10 years ago we had the likes of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris saying it's not worth our time. I disagree. I enjoy these bible studies significantly. Thank you.
My pleasure. Dawkins was just the worst at all this, lol. He never had a good biblical understanding, so fell really flat when trying to discuss. Harris knows his stuff, and i do understand his points a bit about just chucking source material that has done so much harm. But the fact is, the bible has been the biggest literary device in history. It's fascinating from about 1000 angles, and to really argue against the harm that comes from it, I think one needs to understand it and understand the perception that believers have. Thanks again for the kind words.
@@MindShift-Brandon I appreciate the efforts to provide the secular POV on various biblical events or figures. At this point, the believer is caught up in presuppositional apologetics, which leads with negating any other belief, as if it's obvious the Christian POV is the only legitimate one. Often without even learning what other beliefs are. 😪
@@MindShift-Brandon Here: "16 Go and assemble the elders of Israel, and say to them, “The Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has appeared to me, saying: I have given heed to you and to what has been done to you in Egypt. 17 I declare that I will bring you up out of the misery of Egypt, to the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, a land flowing with milk and honey.” 18 They will listen to your voice; and you and the elders of Israel shall go to the king of Egypt and say to him, “The Lord, the God of the Hebrews, has met with us; let us now go a three days’ journey into the wilderness, so that we may sacrifice to the Lord our God.” 19 I know, however, that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless compelled by a mighty hand. 20 So I will stretch out my hand and strike Egypt with all my wonders that I will perform in it; after that he will let you go. 21 I will bring this people into such favour with the Egyptians that, when you go, you will not go empty-handed; 22 each woman shall ask her neighbour and any woman living in the neighbour’s house for jewellery of silver and of gold, and clothing, and you shall put them on your sons and on your daughters; and so you shall plunder the Egyptians.’" Exodus 3 I also enjoy how this god claims that it will mind control the egyptian people so they have no free will and that the israelites can steal from them, which is supposedly a sin. and this god lies entirely since it repeatedly keeps the pharoah from letting these people go on a long weekend. This god repeatedly hardens Pharoah's heart and shows that this god isn't interested in free will at all. It really destroys the false claims of chritians about how interseted their god is in free will.
@@velkyn1 Oh, wow~! I didn't realize. This reminds me of a joke I heard in Catholic elementary school: Did you know skin is the most elastic substance in the world? It says so in the Bible: Moses tied his ass to a tree and walked 40 miles.😆
@@Sarappreciates Exodus is even more fun when it gets to the wandering around and the quail. I may be off on the math but I calculated that, per the bible, how many quail and how much poop this nonsense would generate: "In the story of the exodus related in Numbers, we have the following: Numbers 11 “Now a wind went out from the Lord and drove quail in from the sea. It scattered them up to two cubits deep all around the camp, as far as a day’s walk in any direction. 32 All that day and night and all the next day the people went out and gathered quail. No one gathered less than ten homers. Then they spread them out all around the camp. 33 But while the meat was still between their teeth and before it could be consumed, the anger of the Lord burned against the people, and he struck them with a severe plague.” (this story is also in Exodus 16. FYI, this is from the NASB bible) So we have an area of approximately 706 square miles (15 miles is about what a person can walk in a day) covered 6 feet deep in quail. And per the bible, every man gathered a little shy of 2 tons of the quail. This would be, if my calculations are correct, 960,000 tons of quail. And this isn’t the all the quail. That was just what was collected. As a cubic footage, we have approximately 1.180811 cubic feet of quail, or 118,080,000,000 cubic feet of quail. If one assumes the average quail as 9” x 5” x 5” this means that there are 15,350,400,000 individual quails and if each weighs about 6 oz (large for quail but we can afford to give a bit), we get about 2,878,200 tons of quail. Even if one assumes that the quails weren’t even, and assume 3 feet deep, we still get 1,439,100 tons of quail. The middens would be full of quail bones and human poo, amongst other things. Now on to the poo! In Exodus, the Israelites are told to bury their feces because their god might notice in them, Deuteronomy 23: “12 “You shall also have a place outside the camp and go out there, 13 and you shall have a spade among your tools, and it shall be when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and shall turn to cover up your excrement. 14 Since the Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp to deliver you and to defeat your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy; and He must not see anything indecent among you or He will turn away from you.” Doesn’t speak very well for its omniscience, eh? Humans poop about 125 grams a day. With 600,000 men, we get 37 tons of poo a day and that isn’t even counting the women, children and animals, grass eaters that poop a *lot*." "Not So Polite Dinner Conversation - 960,000 tons of what?" Club Schadenfreude blog.
I’m really enjoying this series! I can tell how much work/preparation goes into them. Your delivery and the conciseness of information is phenomenal. Thank you!!
appreciate that so very much. Glad you are enjoying the series. I can't wait till all 66 are out lol. Its strange to see a years worth of work lying in front of me in that regard, but also exciting.
2:46 Your use of the term "Birth of a Nation" is so appropriate. Just like the film, the Exodus story is horrifically racist stuff, and the construction of a glorious, but fake, fast to "return" to, and the establishment of a patriarchal, violent and unquestionably autocratic ruler, is school-book Ur-fascism, just like Umberto Eco defines it. It is no surprise that Christianity was picked as the imperial cult of the roman empire when it was consolidated into an eutocratic dictatorship, and when the nascent Arab empire needed an imperial cult a few centuries later, it is not a coincidence that they picked a weirdo retooled torah-observant "heretical" version of "judeo-christian" cult to be their cult of imperial consolidation.
08:40 you often talked about other ancient texts that had same storys as the bibel. I would be interested if you could make q video about it. Or if you have good websites/sources where I can learn abouz these texts would be niceee : ))
One thing I would like to have added to your outline for these videos is some kind of mention or discussion about the dates associated with the books. Not the "in universe" time that the narrative supposedly takes place, but the scholarly consensus (if there is such a thing) about when the books were written, or in the case of the first few books, compiled, and for those that are compilations, dates for when the source tales were written, or from which neighboring cultures they were lifted. 😊
Have you ever looked into the Hyksos people? They have a very similar story of escaping slavery. I suspect that their story is what the exodus story in the Bible is based on.
I've always wondered a bit about how there was little/scant evidence of Exodus in Egyptian or other societies nearby. I would think that there would be archives mentioning a massive number of people wandering the desert for many years. And the fact that Egypt was a massive superpower, if this had happened and their enemies found out about it, the archives would be the first to record it even a rumor of it. I also feel that Revelation is a Exodus for Christians too. I listened to an audio reading of it and started to realize some connections. Whoever wrote Revelation knew the symbolism of Exodus and used it to connect it to Rome Okay, that's all no belaboring. You've done an excellent job here.
Thanks I'd love to connect with ya and maybe chat from my perspective on content to cover being raised a casual catholic if you are interested, venmo'd coffee on me!
I'm thinking more of the Matthew mark Luke John, are the names Hebrew in origin,? I'm genuinely curious bc I've never had a history lesson on the matter
Brandon...I can refute every single argument you've ever made in all of your videos about God. Your actually wrong about everything, and my first point to prove it is that I'm just kidding and I'm actually an Atheist😂. Thank you for what you do. It takes tons of bravery and honesty. Did I catch your attention in the first few sentences 😂?
Lol i wish i could say that it would have been a unique comment but its getting closer to par for the course. Ha but thanks for the chuckle and encouragement!
I unironically thought about writing this kind of comment for a while on at least one video, but never did as it’s not necessary, but is obviously funny. Which is pretty much the point that you already know, at least that is what I’m assuming.
Here is something to consider: "Dr. Edwin Yamauchi, historian and Professor Emeritus at Miami University. Yamauchi wrote a book entitled, The Stones and the Scripture, where he rightly noted that archaeological evidence is a matter of “fractions”: Only a fraction of the world’s archaeological evidence still survives in the ground. Only a fraction of the possible archaeological sites have been discovered. Only a fraction have been excavated, and those only partially. Only a fraction of those partial excavations have been thoroughly examined and published. Only a fraction of what has been examined and published has anything to do with the claims of the Bible!"
Your claim is that the lack of evidence is not proof it didn't happen. I agree. In fact, I said as much. BUT the arid desert of Egypt and the land the Jews would have been wandering in is perfect for capturing archaeological evidence, and we have boat loads! Like its incredible how many Egyptian records we have. AND there is nothing to prop up the biblical narrative. A lack of evidence cannot somehow become evidence for the biblical claims.
Yeah it sure is a puzzler how the Pharaoh in Exodus is never named. I mean, if he was such an oppressive tyrant, you'd think they might have wanted to make sure his name got written down for besmirchment if nothing else. It's almost like the writer(s) didn't want the narrative to be historically corroborable. 🤔 And I think "Out of Slavery - Now it's Our Turn!" is a more fitting title than Exodus. 😂 Oh well, I'll always have hella nostalgic memories of watching Prince of Egypt. 🤤
Archaeologist Dr. Titus Kennedy gave a great talk about archaeological evidence that attests to things recorded in Exodus on Sean McDowell's channel. Importantly, he lays out things which are and are not reasonably expected to be found. So good!
I am finally done with exodus. It was hard to get trough the last chapters with all the repetition of the things that was needed and how to do it and where to place it but I got trough. I have talked about my problems with the pharaoh bit in your video on that so won't rant on it here. But some of the rules are just horrible, there is just no justification for it. I had to stop reading more than once, I can't believe how I have defended this faith for as long as I have. Well enough of that, good video, love the content, have a good day ❤
I wish I could play this to Black Hebrew Israelites in NYC feeding Black people Lie-Sandwiches (2 buns of truth with a slice of lie in the middle). keep up the great work!
Sir, excellent video. Questions: If god used to be involved so closely in human affairs, at least with the Isrealites, why the apologetics for divine hidderness. Also, what about free will?
Every people group has an origin story, and I have yet to find one that makes any sense, except for maybe the story of the Anunnaki. It's tragic how much of history is lost because of men and their mythologies. But at least now we have rational people such as Brandon trying to figure it out, separating fact from fiction without the blinders of faith to get in the way.
Hemet Mehta is doing a series, “Everything wrong with……Genesis, Exodus, etc” and I remember him reading the verses describing the building & decorating the Tabernacle. There’s SO much to it. SO much detail. Obsessively so. (Sorry, my second comment. I couldn’t resist☺️)
Just looked him up, oh wow he is going verse by verse, thats phase 2 for me. Objective overview right now, and then get into the weeds. I'll have to check those out. and yes the tabernacle is just insane as is the ark of the covenant.
Noted! Unfortunately we are about 37 weeks away from Matthew. But after i cover all four separately, i will 100% do a breakdown on their relation to each other, historicity, contradictions, early influence etc.
I hope that people start making response videos to yours. I'm very curious as to what the Christian scholars/apologists have to say about these valid points of concern tbh.
@@MindShift-Brandon As someone who used to obsessed over William Laine Craig and other Christian apologists, those same rebuttals aren't really convincing to me anymore. Totally understand.
A very common apologetics answer to "there's no evidence for Israelite captivity in Egypt" is "the Egyptians were great record keepers except when it was negative PR for them. So of course they would omit such a dramatic loss from their records because it makes them look bad." I'm not enough of an Egyptologist to know if there's other known instances of the Egyptians omitting negative events from their records, and I don't know if theological scholars also speculate on this, but it seems to be a primary answer layman Christians have to this problem. What do you think of this?
Yes, exactly. I just posted a few of my thoughts in response on another thread. Theories are always changing with Egypttology. Especially recently. They no longer believe that slaves built the old kingdom pyramids, for instance. Archeology digs in the surrounding landscape so far only uncover common village structures with no evidence of a way to contain the populous as slaves. So, even if Joseph is also YuYa, beyond establishing a tighter actual time frame for Jewish arrivals in Egypt, it says absolutely nothing about their leaving.
p.s. frame of reference... Cleopatra is far closer in time to now than she was to the building of the great pyramids. Basically, Aten, Tut and Ramses 2 are halfway between pyramids and Cleopatra. The 3 great pyramids were definitely not built by Jewish slaves. Off by over 1000 years.
There might be some historical correlation to the Exodus thru King TutAnkhAmun's family genetics? To super simplify, Tut's father was a heretic to the ancient Egyptian pantheon, believing in only one deity. Tut's great grandfather was YuYa. YuYa is maybe maybe maybe Joseph of the many colored coat?. (again, quick info only here) Yuya's DNA has solid sampling of Jewish genetic connections. YuYa's name also has clues, he was not royal but married into the pharoah's family. The names of ancient Egyptians refered to their devotion to a god. The short name length of YuYa is unusual and apparently (still being researched) connects him to the god Ya? Ya is not known within the established Egyptian pantheon of the day or previously. With Yu refering to being a foreigner.(translation of the word yu is known) King Tut Ankh Amun is genetically proven to connect to YuYa. (YuYa and wife ThuYa have a wonderfull tomb) Tut's father thru DNA connection was AkhnAten... the monotheistic heretic. Punchline... When the old deities were reestablished, the believers of old were systematic and ruthless about tearing down and erasing (almost) all evidence that Akhn Aten even existed. He and his son Tut were taken off the kings lists. Akhn Aten's capital city was stripped to the ground, its stones removed to the distant location of Luxor and were used to build for later pharoahs. Though the child Tut was pushed back to the old pantheon, he too was scratched and removed from the monuments he backed during his reign. Many of them specifically mentioned that his purpose was to undo his father's mistake. Though this was wanted, these stone engravings mentioned the heresy he was undoing. No mention of the mistake was to be allowed to remain. Part of why Tut's tomb was so hard to find was because so few knew to even look for it. The goal to erase both son and father were not perfect. Carvings were missed, never ruined, especially the notations mixed into other temples which eventually toppled and revealed the lost duo. I am not an Egyptian scholar, just a voracious hobbyist who is repeating the research and theories of others. But maybe, just maybe Joseph's lineage was genetically intertwined in the 18th dynasty of the new kingdom? Real scholars are still investigating and debating. Ramses the Great was 19th dynasty. Maybe somewhere between AkhnAten c.1353 bce and Ramses the 2nd c.1273 was an actual exodus? Every year, new technology and new finds flesh out lost and obliterated history.l, but a possible exit still does not prove the bible's claims and story. All this research really proves is that Ancient Egyptians covered up their own past history. People in general tend not to carve their failures into stone.
p.s. King James, Genesis 41_45 "And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnathpaaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt." So not a princess but still a member of pharoah's household? Still close enough to end up an ancestor of at least 3 future pharaohs. When Egyptians changed their status, that often meant name changes. Which could be confusing today, but my own interpretation of these so called name changes are actually more like added titles. For example: George Washington went from his christening name to General George Washington to First President George Washington. All are Mr Washington. Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnathpaaneah. Google says that translates this from old Egyptian roughly to one who sees hiden things. And YuYa was likely added when he went from advisor to family. Such a name is stating which deity a person favored the most. All 3 were his names according to the customs of the day.
There's a theory that its essentially a prodigal son story. A Canaanite group that had been in Egypt. Their children would have been raised on stories of their "homeland". The group and their children journey to where their ancestors came from and things aren't as mystically perfect as the stories promised. Some of this might be due to the Canaanite Hebrews were nomads and bandits, according to the oldest outsider account. There are suggestions that hunter-gatherer nomads clashed even on mental levels with the farming city dwellers. The story of Cain and Abel might be an account of this. Stories had purposes we can't always understand years later. Trying to guide a life based on unclear instructions is a mistake.
Whether or not Exodus it true, it is an extensive account that has existed for an extremely long time. Personally, I don't believe in divine intervention, but we have the benefit of science, archaeology and methodical historical research.
Oh yes I completely understand why ancient people might have believed this but the fact anyone today is trying to have it literally true is just baseless.
Thank you for addressing the name change. I thought I was having some senior moments going on😅 One day I will try to look for. This book, but in '06 or '07 I wasin a men's Bible group in my church and we did a 52 week cover to cover on the bible. I find this much more informative. I have to say I feel stupid not knowing about Israelites possibly not actually being slaves. I cant say that I remember a teacher ever stating the bible was wrong anytime we studied Egypt. I don't think it was ever a question. Is it considered antisemitism to suggest these things? This gets into some tricky talky points.
Ha. I wanted something less offensive for this series so it could hopefully be seen by christians as well. Im sure thats quite normal for a christian bible study to not even consider including any counter factual arguments. Speaking for myself i don’t think its antisemitic at all. One because i dont dislike jews as an ethnic group at all. They are just people like anyone else but i also dont have to believe in their mythological origin stories just to avoid being labeled as such. I dont believe in the myth of the world being on the back of a turtle that many tribes of native Americans believe either but that says nothing for the respect and non disdain that i have for them as a people.
Please fact check me, I don't want you to blindly believe me. That said, there's overwhelming PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that *_Egypt employed SKILLED WORKERS to build their pyramids, NOT SLAVES!_* These workers had to understand Egyptian architecture and some mathematics, educated people who were *_well PAID in beer and rations, not whipped into submission like slave labor._* To deny physical evidence isn't antisemitic. You can embrace whole nations without believing their myths. But alas, I defy you to name a single war in all of human history in which neither side was told "God(s) willed this!" So many wars have been fought over the cultural misinformation of religion. We can (and should) do better nowadays.
The only real miracle discussed during this episode is your patience for this obvious BS. It's simply and so obviously untrue, but thank you for your objectivity when presenting it.
ha, thank you! for this series I am being more objective, or at least trying. i think i got a few points out there that show my thoughts on it all, but id love for this to be a place to hear the facts.
I haven't heard it addressed and I should do some research first, but numbers in the stories of the Bible were not always an account of the years in measure. If memory serves me there are some scholars that believe that at least some of the numbers in the Bible are used to reference Numerology, which maybe why the use of 3, 7, 9 etc are referenced the way they are. These number systems also appear in Hellenistic folklore throughout the region , and different numbers had different significance depending on the culture. .
For sure! i would say most numbers in the bible were not written to be taken literary and were ancient forms of numerology and significance such as 10,12, 40 etc. I cover this a bit in my video on biblical numerology. Where this leads to issues, though, is when it tries to use literal numbers, like a head count of Jewish warriors, or a time frame of enslavement and also when we get multiple different numbers for these two examples. Thats just a full out contradiction and cant serve any purpose, literal nor figuratively.
@@MindShift-BrandonI'll have to watch your video on numerology, but I think I remember reading that "40" in Biblical poetics is basically a stand-in for "a lot", like "ten thousand" in Chinese poetics.
OK you just gave me a great video idea. Tier-ranking miracles lol! I am all about that. I dont know if I would put the burning bush that high up though. Thanks for the idea!
@@MindShift-Brandon Biblical Oddities Tier List (or something like that) sounds like an immediate internet CLASSIC!! It could be its own playlist if you tier rank different kinds of Biblical nonsense. I mean, SO MANY WONDERS involving food, healing, conjuration, protection, wars, murder (sent a bear to kill kids for making fun of a bald guy, then look up what "bald" meant back when it was interpreted into Old English), destruction/disasters, contradiction tier list, blood sacrifices, biblical cryptids, curses like original sin... Countless types of divine absurdities that could be their own tier lists.
There are two creation stories, two flood myths and two sets of Ten Commandments. When the priests that were exiled in Babylon wrote/compiled the early books, the Canaanite/Israelite people were still worshipping the old pantheon of gods (the Elohim)from Mesopotamia/Babylon that the patriarchs worshipped. So to not lose their audience they left in the myths of the old gods, then in exodus you see them moving the narrative to the new monotheistic worship of Yahweh. Then later they forbid the worship of the old gods in favour of Yahweh.
Hi, I'm going through your Playlist and the video you more with the image "From Eden to Egypt" is not showing up. 3:03 that's the timestamp for your mention of the Genesis book video
Ah, 😅 I'll listen to it again but it seems that there was something lost about people making it to Egypt. I could just be mishearing. Thank you for this series.
Love your videos, and you have a great name! Would you consider sharing audio versions of these videos (I.e podcast form)? I’ve found myself listening / watching while out on walks and would definitely consume an audio version on Spotify or something. Much love sir!
I studied history in college. Once in a lecture one of my professors, a Dr. King, made an offhand comment about the Exodus story. I approached her after class to ask about it and she told me that there was evidence of Hebrew enslavement in Egypt but didn’t really elaborate at all. This was extremely confusing to me at the time since I had always struggled to find that evidence in my own resource. Of course, I was a full time student and was also working so I didn’t exactly have the time to follow that up. And any time I think of it now, I STILL can’t figure out what she was talking about. Of course, without the free access to academic papers that you have in university it’s a little bit challenging. If you try to search the facts of the Exodus story you’ll be absolutely overwhelmed by the number of religious sources, mostly Christian, which are dubiously reliable at best. It’s a lot to sort through. I’ll have to check out that Holy Koolaid video and see if they can point me in the right direction.
Another Is important question is, where do the jews get there Perception of an Immigrant Experience? The numbers described Could not have been literally true, There may be clues to a gradual migration.
I just can't take JP seriously when he is talking about the Bible or religion. It becomes clear he is bs'ing his way through like he does with most things.
I actually like a lot of things JP has done, BUT I HATE so many things also. His using bible stories as archetypes for meaning I am fine with, that's how it started with Maps of Meaning, but recently he is claiming them as pure truth and stretching so far to make it all fit.
The belief system of JP is an enigma and i do not want to talk for him, but the last couple of years i have seen a big shift in how he references god and the bible. He talks in riddles a bit like when he says god is the just the top of our hierarchy of values, but his word salad is getting less and less ingredients in it, and i personally am getting the sense of his literal belief.
@@MindShift-Brandon yeah, for someone with a rule to be precise with your speech and a hatred for post-modernism he gets very wishy-washy and post-modern when talking about God. When he is just reading the Bible through a Jungian lens it's interesting but it so far off how actual believers read it.
@@MindShift-Brandon That is what it boils down to. Researchers say that they can't even find an historical Moses, which strongly implies that references to Moses are a fiction. It doesn't matter if Jesus Christ was real, or fiction, because his alleged words, and deeds, are unproven.
Mar, how many accounts do you have? I have offered you so many chances to have a real conversation, and you always turn them down. If my justice will come in the end, why do you concern yourself with me at all? If you think I am obsessed and doing harm, why do you watch every video and comment multiple times? I just don't understand. You are single-handled my number one commenter and thus the best advertising to the youtube algorithm to keep promoting my content. I wonder if your god will judge you for helping my message to spread?
I think the fact that we don’t see anything pertaining to the 10 plagues in Egyptian history is troubling. If this phenomenon took place, surely it would be included in their history. I have heard that allegedly there have been chariots found at the bottom of the Red Sea. Haven’t really looked into it tho
Another problem I have is that if Moses mother sent him down the Nile from southern Egypt how did she make it to the city in time for Pharaoh's daughter to find him and need someone to breast feed him which wouldn't be longer then 3-4 years so all of his memories would be in the palace raised as the unnamed pharaoh's daughter's adopted son. The possibility that a baby would have survived the voyage down the Nile would have been seen as a possible sign by the gods of Egypt that this child is special.
I know a little of Egyptian history and know the reference, but not enough to make any solid statement. I do know the link that has tried to be made to the Israelites though as these Hill People. I think it still would leave us where we are right now, even if that was the reference.
@@MindShift-Brandon The interesting part about them is that they seem to have been expulsed from Egypt. They were not enslaved people though. Some argue that it was actually the opposite that the Egyptians freed themself from them. Well but at the end it is just speculations though.
I think most Christians, or even Jews, at this present time, even I myself, knew about that God wants us to "SACRIFICE" our First born son to God! I only know about this recently.
I love all of your videos. I would help financially but I am on Social security. If I supported every podcast I like I wouldn't be able to eat. I'm praying for you. Just kidding.😂
Well, this fails for a few reasons. One, Egyopt has tons of records of lost battles, other tribes they interacted with, their slave labor, and their economics. The fact they don't have any records at all of this 430 slavery and the 10 plagues that happened to them or that time they lost all their workers etc, cannot just be swept under the rug like you are trying.
Yes they did. How else would they be able to rebuild? Besides, what about the OTHER nations involved? Egypt was just one culture amongst many, with strong trade relations with them. Why is it that not a single one of the OTHER nations has written anything about this? "What's this massive shipment of grain for?" "Oh, Eqypt ordered that. Seems they've angered a deity, and everything's been laid to waste. They've ordered emergency supplies from their trade partners. You know, like how real life works." "I see. Should we write any of this down?" "No, let's all pretend none of this ever happened. Even though as a separate nation, we would have no reason to cover up for the plagues of Egypt." Do you see the problem with this? Sometimes absence of evidence really is evidence of absence.
@@MindShift-Brandon That still doesn't prove your point. Also, not all records of the Egyptians have been interpreted. We do not have an exhaustive historical accounts about any ancient culture.
@@tan_x_dx We do not have an exhaustive historical accounts of ancient Egypt during this time period. Historical records usually don't survive for thousands of years. All he is giving you is speculations. Not facts.
my point is pretty simple, id encourage you to go back and watch. I address the lack of evidence, which is the case in comparison to the rest of what Egypt has recorded for so many other peoples and events in such huge quantities. We simply would expect to find something rather than nothing if these biblical events were true. i did point out a lack of evidence does not prove anything, but is worth thinking about. You seem to already have your mind made up though and no lack of evidence matters to you, so we really dont have much more to talk about.
thats literally what is being explained in this video. But commenting this early means you have not watched the full episode which is fine, but maybe not fair to question. But a few quick points, many of the miracles are copies from older other religious texts. There is little to no evidence of a group of hundreds of thousands moving around this area at this time yet alone being held in Egypt for 400 years when Egypt was one of the best ancient record keepers. It got dates, cities, and territories wrong. It just goes on and on.
@@thevulture5750 because scripture has made claim after claim after claim that have been found false. Its a bad source because its goal is theology not accuracy. For that same reason, I do not take the Egyptian records of Ra the Sun God to be accurate either, but when the Egyptians do take the time to document in detail their slave labor, their battles, their economic wins and woes etc, and list so many facts about other nations and societies that can be verified using outside sources, but then go on to say nothing of this people group...its pretty clear.
@@thevulture5750 The thing is, that Egypt would have no reason to cover this up. Supposedly, their entire civilisation suffered from this. That's not something that can simply be swept under the rug. You cannot hide this from either the people of Egypt, nor the neigboring civilisations. Imagine if the president denied that 9-11 ever even happened, the day after it occurred. That would be absurd. Instead, the Egyptians would have faced a huge effort to rebuild and repopulate, had such terrible disasters occurred. No matter how you frame it, the Egyptian records should have shown some record of these disasters happenening. And yet they don't. Egypt seems to have carried on without any such blips on the radar. Even those neighboring civilisations don't seem to have any record of such events happening. They had no reason to care about such a sneaky cover-up, and yet they don't seem to think anything happened either. Trade partners with Egypt would have been badgered to give emergency grain and livestock after these supposed disasters. Where else would Egypt get their livestock from? And yet, there's nothing at all. No massive spike in trade, with Egypt asking for livestock or grain or anything else for that matter. That's peculiar, don't you think? It's almost as if it never happened at all.
@@MindShift-Brandon *found false* It would seem odd for a skeptic to claim certainty on *any* of this. You may personally believe something more or less likely- but certainty isn't something you could claim lightly. How many books have been written on the subject? It may seem clear in your mind, but? The skeptic has no way out of his skepticism but revelation from God. Can the skeptic claim he knows God doesn't exist? A man can believe God doesn't exist- Psalms 14:1
Jesus now originally I thought about doing this video as a spot the fallacy and looking at all of the logical fallacies that are made but I'm just going to play the video in its entirety and then we're going to break down something that I think so many of us who are in this online atheist verse Christian Community forget so let's watch the video in middle school and in Cliffe's Video high school people challenged my belief in Christ and because I do not want to believe in **MindShift^^ *** ok just what is the Christian Community.... by far most who identify with Christianity don't even know what Jesus even said bv01 John 12:37 But though He had performed so many signs in their sight, they still were not believing in Him. 38 This happened so that the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke would be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
Christians like to say that the new testament is the fulfilment of the old testament (and isn't that miraculous amazing must make it true blah blah blah). But what they don't see is that the new testament was crafted to look like it fulfilled old testament prophecy (much like the book of daniel). The gospel writers deliberately wrote their religious literature using old testament verses (rarely actual prophecies lol and almost never about a messiah lol) to give validity to their scribbles - they weren't writing history they were writing religious pesher and propaganda SO YOU MAY BELIEVE. Jesus isn't fulfilling anything (not one of the 4535546234 prophecies he is meant to have) - his story is crafted using (plagiarising) ot scriptures. No wonder it "fulfils" prophecy...
I recently came across your chanel and so far i think you are doing great work. But i have a suggestion/request, the editing, that constant cutting and pasteing is quite dizzying, the change in pace and tone in your voice is a bit nerving and makes it hard to follow.
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3) Old Testament Archeology, a brief sample: Sinai 361 Moses Inscription- Proto-Sinaitic alphabetic script in stone-- “Our bound servitude had lingered, Moses then provoked astonishment, it is the year of astonishment” (c.1500 BC) The Ipuwer Papyrus- Egyptian account of the Exodus “Lord of All” & "the river is blood" (c. 1500 BC) The Soleb Inscription - YHWH inscription on Amon-Re temple built by the Pharaoh Amenhotep III “land of the nomads of YHWH” (c. 1400 BC) Mt. Ebal Curse Tablet - YHW inscription on lead “you will surely die. Cursed by YHW” (c. 1400 BC-1200 BC) The Merneptah Stele - Pharaoh Merneptah “Israel is wasted, its seed is not; and Canaan is become a widow because of Egypt” (c.1208 BC) The Shishak Inscription - relief from the temple wall at Karnak built by Pharaoh Shishak “the fields of Abraham” and “highlands of David” (c.925 BC) Berlin Pedestal - cartouches inscribed into base of Egyptian victory stele, 18th Dynasty Egypt “Ashkelon” “Canaan” “Israel” (c.1550 BC-1292 BC) Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III & Annals of Shalmaneser III - Assyrian relief of King Jehu and stone tablet record of tribute “I received tribute… from Jehu of the house of Omri” (c. 841 BC) Tel Dan Stele - Canaanite inscription “I killed…king of Israel… of the House of David” (c.796 BC) The King Hezekiah Bulla - royal clay seal of 12th king of the Kingdom of Judah, King Hezekiah “Belonging to Hezekiah [son of] Ahaz, king of Judah” (c.727 BE-698 BC) The Isaiah Bulla - clay seal of the Prophet Isaiah “Belonging to prophet Isaiah” (c.700 BC) et cetera...
The problem with religious scholars is that they are gullible. Or become liars for money themselves. I don't have time to run down every citation you made, but I thank you for the opportunity to debunk at least one. The Ipuwer Papyrus was listed in the documentary and book Patterns of Evidence: Exodus and David Rohl's book Exodus: Myth or History? as "proof" of the plagues, et cetera. These works quoted selectively, out of context, and without noting that it was obviously fictional--if you read the entire thing. Which you can, because its online! The actual title is "The Admonitions of Ipuwer". The writer lists bad things, mostly economical. There are bandits. There are foreigners, who think they're Egyptians now. Rich people lost money. Servants are getting mouthy. People are dumping bodies in the river. *"Indeed, [hearts] are violent, pestilence is throughout the land, blood is everywhere, death is not lacking, and the mummy-cloth speaks even before one comes near it.* *Indeed, many dead are buried in the river; the stream is a sepulcher and the place of embalmment has become a stream. ... Indeed, the river is blood, yet men drink of it. Men shrink from human beings and thirst after water."* This 'miracle' is considered of less importance then poor people getting rich. It is descriptive of bad times, not an actual disturbance of normality. Some descriptions may be of tomb-robbing. The litany then switches from describing bad times for rich people to advice. *"Remember to observe regulations, to fix dates correctly, and to remove him who enters on the priestly office in impurity of body, for that is doing it wrongfully, it is destruction of the heart [. . .] the day which precedes eternity, the months [. . .] years are known."* Basically, the writer wanted people to be religious, to follow laws, traditions. He was particularly concerned with magistrates being treated well. It ends with a vague summary of one Ipuwer addressing the Majesty of the Lord of All (probably an Egyptian god or pharoah) and characterizing his words as what an old man must warn his son before death. The only way this has anything to do with the plagues is if the Hebrews cut the papyrus into individual words, mixed them together, and then made a story by drawing the words out of a hat. The blatant fakery of this is why many true believers begin to turn away. Because their faith is constantly being used to bilk them of money for every new hoax.
Watching this video, basically every 45-60 seconds I find myself saying, "no", "nope", "wrong". Way too much to unpack here. I will say this, there is archaeological evidence from Egypt that supports the Exodus narrative. One basic example is the account of Amenhotep II, who was undoubtedly the Pharaoh during the Exodus. Interestingly, his first son disappeared from Egyptian record to be replaced by his 2nd son, Thutmose IV, which aligns itself with the death of Egyptian first born sons during the 10th plague. And do you know why God punished the Egyptians in this way? It was a response to the Egyptian law that called for the first born sons of the Hebrews to be murdered, which is why Moses' mother ended up placing him in the basket and sending him down the river in the first place. Also, every one of the plagues corresponded to an Egyptian god. It was God's way of showing he was greater than the gods Egyptians worshipped, which was necessary to break the bond between the enslaved Hebrews and their Egyptian masters. BTW, good science and good faith never disagree. First of all, they ask different questions. Science asks what and how. Faith asks who and why. And they will never contradict each other.
The indoctrination is strong in this one. How about you provide credible sources instead of spouting more claims you probably heard from slanted apologists?
@@ZeusAssassin I'm not able to post links here, right? For the historical record on Amenhotep II, you'd want to read books by William Shea, Douglas Petrovich, or Charles Aling. There's more to his story too. Amenhotep was just one example of Egyptian history aligning with the Exodus account. There are many others as well. Changing gears quickly, there is scientific and historical evidence for the parting of the Red Sea. Not only has science proven wind setdown can cause the sea to part exactly how it's described in Exodus, the effect has been witnessed by others throughout history. Alexander Tulloch in 1882, and Aly Bei Shafei in 1946 are two examples.
Not plague related, but Moses went to Pharaoh (Amenhotep, as you say) about releasing the Israelites; Moses was asked for a sign, or proof of God...God told Moses to throw his staff down, and it became a serpent (snake), and when he picked it up by its tail, it became his staff again. Pharaohs magicians did the same thing.
Let me add that God's murder of the first born sons is nothing less than horrible. A very cruel way to prove your power. Especially since God is the one who "hardened" Pharaohs heart to start with.
@@johntiggleman4686 technically, Moses threw down Aaron's staff, but that doesn't really make a difference. Do you know what happened next? Aaron's "serpent" swallowed up all of the magicians' "serpents"/staffs demonstrating the one true God's dominion over the Egyptian gods. Also, "serpent" doesn't really mean snake in this translation. The serpent was likely a crocodile not a snake.
The Jews and their Passover observance testify to events recorded in the book of Exodus. God foretold that they would recount his deeds in Egypt as follows: And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons forever. And it shall come to pass, when ye be come into the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service. And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service? That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD's passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. Exodus 12:24-27a There is a high percentage of Passover observance even among Jews that call themselves atheists and/or agnostics. This points to what God said that they would do in his word recorded for us thousands of years ago. God's work to redeem mankind through his Son Jesus Christ is inextricably tied to promises that he made to the Jews as a people and as regards the land of Israel. In our own day, Jews are returning to the land of Israel after living as a scattered, persecuted people among the nations, all as foretold in the Bible (see Deuteronomy 28:63-64, Isaiah 11:11-12). God's word shows all men of their need for the forgiveness of sins through faith in Jesus Christ lest they perish (see 2 Corinthians 15:3-4, John 3:16).
This is in no way proof of anything other than an ethnic group still holds to certain traditions despite their beliefs. We see this with so many religions...are they all true?
@@MindShift-Brandon King David said of Israel: And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people for himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods? (2 Samuel 7:23) Israel is unlike any other nation on the earth, a nation to and about which God spoke and made great promises. Men can track the history of this nation as God foretold using extrabiblical sources, testing it to be so. We cannot separate God from his word, God from Israel, Israel from the Messiah, the land Israel from the Jews, etc.; to pull at one thread is to pull at the whole fabric of scripture. These things are so intertwined! Jerusalem was foretold in the Old Testament (completed before Jesus' birth) to be the focus of the nations in the end times (Zechariah 12:2-3). What city on earth is as contested as Jerusalem? And God said as much thousands of years ago...
@@sdlorah6450 You are making the false assumption that the bible is infallible and you can throw a few verses out as proof. Most of us already know the verses anyway and have, after long and deliberate analysis, reject them with cause. The bible is not a self-proving document by any means. Quoting the bible as proof here is again laughable and shallow in concept. Your faith is not the same thing as fact. your belief is not evidence. To me, this is just laughable as you throw out all manner of typical propaganda that means nothing if you examine it. Your attempt to use an unproven and unprofitable prophecy as proof is typical of the cloak and mirrors tricks used. BUT what you CAN do is prove the claimed supernatural events told in the old and new testaments are actually real. You could be the very first Christian to actually prove them. Good luck. Shall I list a few for you???
