Expanding Your Hobby Dollars: PSA 10s vs PSA 9s

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@marlon82mc Год назад

Years ago, after becoming an "adult", I realized I could start buying the cards I longed for as a kid. I saw the difference in the price of PSA 10 vs PSA 9 and thought, "A 9 is still MINT condition, I don't need the 10." And was able to buy a lot more of my favorite cards because of that decision.

@chrisolivo6591 Год назад

GemMint is the biggest scam in the hobby. Mint was always the gold standard in collectibles before there sports card grading companies created this artificial high end market with the GemMint. I collect like you do as my motto. Is, “A 9 is fine”. We have a Mint collection of cards, and the Rolen PSA 10 vs 9 example of centering that Chris shows in the video confirms my opinion of PSA 10 cards.

@vgpackpulled9748 Год назад

I have same mentality. 9s are still mint!!

@garydaud1668 Год назад

I learned from you a long time ago, "Buy the card, not the grade". Best advice I have ever heard for my card collecting. Thanks for the great content!

@ztaylor1760 Год назад

Eights and Great and Nines are fine.

@ryanfitzgerald2816 Год назад

More than half the people in this hobby collect plastic and what's typed on the paper slip in the plastic than they do cards. Buying / getting 10s is all that matters to them, as long as the slab tells them it's a "10".

@chrisolivo6591 Год назад

It always amazes me when I goto a local show and I’m looking to sell my doubles to dealers. They don’t even look at the card, if it’s a PSA 9, they look up comps for a PSA 9 and that’s their comp price. It could under graded or over graded, and all that matters is the PSA grade.

@mikedovell3339 Месяц назад

I understand you can maximize your cardboard by buying 9s but having 10s to me is more important. Also, if you want top dollar for your investment, then 10s are the way to go. Most older collectors aren't trading, they just want what they want.

@tartuffethespry Год назад

Just bought a PSA 9 this weekend

@tommayrant2279 Год назад

Most of those 9s are less than the cost of grading. Great video, Chris! That 10 Rolen is definitely OC. Have a safe and easy move.

@beliedat2457 Год назад

Psa allows 60/40 and still considers it gem worthy. Makes no sense

@golfmaniac007 Год назад

@@beliedat2457 eye appeal of a card starts with the centering. if its not centered, its not gem mint

@beliedat2457 Год назад

@@golfmaniac007 and I’ll repeat that PSA allows 60/40 for gem mint 10s. You are factually incorrect. Your opinion doesn’t matter against facts.

@golfmaniac007 Год назад

@@beliedat2457 LOL..PSA is just a grading opinion from a third party. nothing factual about that.

@Smithlandia Год назад

Perhaps the extreme case.... 1980 Ricky Henderson.... ......pas9 - $125,000 After watching many RU-vid PSA submittal videos and seeing beautiful, flawless cards graded 9 or even 8 I have wondered why any COLLECTOR would ever bother buying a 10. I'm glad I am not alone.

@richardwhitfield7219 Год назад

Since I don't resell I shop the card and most times I pay less then the grading fees. I just love having all the rookie cards that i couldn't get when I was a kid. For example I just bought a Bo Jackson 87 Donruss psa 8 for less then 20.00 with shipping.

@Concatenate Год назад

LOVE the 87 Donruss set and the Bo in that set is awesome. Nice grab. 87 Donruss is also notorious for difficulty in high grade because of the dark borders, so an 8 is a nice score.

@trentfable4069 Год назад

Love Bo, I tend to always lose the Bo auction though, even the 9's, but I know I am trying to steal it and pay next to nothing so lols, still fun though.

@EricCKeys Год назад

I'd take a centered card at any grade as long as it's not in the run over by a truck division.

@kevinheckeler Год назад

PSA 8 is a sweet spot for 1970s thru early 80s.

@blazingbattlehawk9626 Год назад

He's right. 9s should cost way more

@PeepsWaxPacks Год назад

Spot on

@jackiedaytona9758 Год назад

Just bought my top 25 favorite 79 and 80 topps stars in PSA 9 in lieu of 10 because want to stare at them on the wall in my office rather then go broke on PSA 10's i never plan to re-sell...thanks for the vid..

@el4174 Год назад

Excellent video

@nicholasb8799 Год назад

Great snap shot of history!

@thomasm155 Год назад

And this absolutely speaks to my philosophy as a collector. If I have a valued and treasured card in raw form that looks gem mint to me I'll leave it that way. Having it graded and coming back a 9 only diminishes it. Throw in the cost of grading and that makes that 9 even worse. I have bought some 9s and 10s but I'm happy with my raw collection too. I'm a collector saving money and working on a limited budget. Great video that leaves one to pause and consider.

@bhfromnh3914 Год назад

My PC slabs are mostly 8’s. Best value. All SGC

@bradutterstrom4105 Год назад

While I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment of this video, I’m gonna play devils advocate and take it a step further. Specifically let’s look at all of those cards from about 87-early 90s, junk era. You can buy the 10s for hundreds of dollars, the 9s for 10s of dollars, or a beautiful looking raw version for a dollar or two. This is why I don’t collect graded. Even the Kirby rookie, should be able to find a real sharp looking one for about $15. Randy Johnsons, Biggios etc? $1.

@collectorinvestordealer Год назад

Great point

@randylochtefeld2806 Год назад

Great video showing why you treat grading your junk wax cards the same as a lotto ticket. Get a 10 you win, get a 9 you lose. As a collector of junk wax, I have all of these cards raw.

@jdmousley2314 Год назад

whats even crazier is that if you take out the rivera from the right side, you're at almost half of the cost of the PSA 10 puckett. idk what the dollar per war would equal out to, but i doubt you could do much better for anything less than 400 bucks.

@comebackcardcollector Год назад

Cheaper yet is raw cards. I collect junk wax rookies, mostly raw. Can't beat the nostalgia bang for the buck.

@vintagecollector5340 Год назад

Ive always said theres no visual differences in a PSA9 or PSA10. The price differences have never made any sense to me. People are literally paying for the label at PSA10 prices. Chances are, they could buy a PSA9 to crack and resubmit for a chance at a PSA10.

@cardboardempire Год назад

Here in Canada, all these $10 are $25+

@Spinach_D Год назад

Secrets out. I love that card collecting is 100% capitalist and free market. This info just created a new market

@danwilkum2761 Год назад

I've been collecting sports cards for 30yrs now and have never bought a 10. I only buy psa 9s and sometimes 8s. The cost of psa 10s to me is extreme. A psa 9 card is considered mint and that's what matters to me. On any given day a 9 can be a 10 and a 10 can be a 9 depending on the grader that's grading the card. I'm surprised more people don't appreciate psa 9s more considering that it means the cards Mint! Also feel the gap in price between the two is far to large. Thanks for the content!

@williambartenslager4134 Год назад

I had 100s of cards graded from my collection, mostly junk wax era, in the last 2-3 years. I sold most of the PSA 10s, all the basketball, kept a few 10s and bought 50s mid grade baseball HOFers. The 10s are creating false scarcity, when you often can’t tell the difference between a 9 and a 10.

@charleskeisler716 Год назад

You have to pay some company $40 or more too grade a card, I have two eyes I can look at a card and tell whether it's well center and sharp corners and no creases.

@andrewlavoie5691 Год назад

You could afford those 9s for the price of the Kirby 10 and probably also throw in base RC 9s of Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Gonzalez, Lofton, Palmeiro ……

@jimmytwomontez Год назад

9's and 10's will even out down the line. Not everybody has these cards. Unless they still print them now. 😁

@donaldwaters4615 Год назад

PSA does not grade fair for this reason. If you send in a card for their basic grading service, they won't give you a 10 simply because they charge their grading fee based on the card's graded value. They limit the graded card value at 499.00 for their basic service. So if you send in a card that is worth $725 as a 10, but only $50 as a 9, they'll grade it a 9 because you didn't pay for a premium grading service. The final grade should not depend on how much you pay. BGS does not charge their grading fee based on final grade value. Simply on the time frame or if you want the sub categories shown on the card.

@chrisolivo6591 Год назад

This is a great post and truly shows how PSA controls the pop count.

@jude999 Год назад

The fact there are over 20 HOFers in a 7 year period tells you about how watered down the HOF is.

@chrisolivo6591 Год назад

The Hall of Very Very Good.

@chrisc4264 Год назад

Expand your hobby dollar even more by buying raw or if you do buy graded get SGC or CSG because you can get those for far cheaper than PSA. You're just paying for the name on the slab.

@Concatenate Год назад

I have a TON of PSA 9's (in a few eras) and, for some odd reason, SGC 4's (almost all vintage of course). Eye appeal is important for me, but always different from person to person. I don't mind something slightly off centered as long as the corners are sharp and it doesn't have any noticeable print defects. Or if it does have print defects, I prefer it to be better centered. Just some tradeoffs that we all go through as collectors.

@BaseballCollector Год назад

Great video Chris. Glad our conversation inspired you to actually do the research on a topic I long knew to be true, but never put pen to paper on it.

@josiahmcctchn Год назад

All my pc cards I buy are always 9s. Great video.

@walterdudedonny Год назад

Great! Now the power of the Sewall bump! All 9's will go up in price. He knows what he's doing to influence the market!!! This how he can afford his "international move!" International man of mystery more like! Lol

@bobman-lo8hc Год назад

I feel the grading is very suspect these days with all the different graders. I do not buy cards online as I have to really get a close look at what I buy now days. I am into mid-grade vintage cards. Even with those the grading is all over the place. I've seen many 5's that look a look nicer than cards getting 7's.

@Philly_Joe Год назад

Thanks for the great video. Save even more and have it raw in a top loader if you are a collector. "Modern" graded cards are specifically for monetary reasons - not that there is anything wrong with that. Have a great one!

@Axceis Год назад

Not disagreeing with you and Mike. But I always believe in buying the best you can afford for your collection. As collectors we get into this mentality as buy for your enjoyment vs not wanting to look like an investor which I don’t understand. We eventually have to sell or let go of our collection whether it’s because of financial reasons or mortality. Why not take the chance of maximizing that when you get the chance. I also think this might be a good topic to talk about in a podcast? It would be way too long here in the comments section.

@JsmithVB757 Год назад

Seems like you are just an "investor". I have bought more than a few cards that have no real value other than I had them as a kid and wanted them back. Being a true collector is a real thing.

@markthompson7503 Год назад

I PC 9's and sell 10's. With Mike all the way.

@dsphillips16 Год назад

Awesome video.

@Cccc-ky4vq Год назад

Grading is so subjective People underestimate 9s and forget 9 is still a great grade it’s a MINT grade!

@captainsergeant Год назад

I'm surprised they haven't started grading in the fractions - 9.2, 9.4, 9.6, 9.8. Comics grade in this fashion and the difference in price just between the fractional grades can be huge.

@user-zk9ry9mk4p Год назад

This video was very good. I would love you to do another video. You pretend that you buy 20 cards at the 10 price and also the 9 price. You pretend you bought these cards 10 years ago. Now what are all the cards selling for today, 10 years later? Have the 10’s gone up at a much higher rate than the 9’s? Or are the 9’s doing as well or better?

@collectorinvestordealer Год назад

Without researching it, I would guess 10s have done much better since 10 years ago.

@jonathonsantamont8527 Год назад

Tiffany are criminally undervalued. So few printed of mega stars…. Look at Griffey…. 6,000 bowman tiffany, 15,000 topps tiffany, and 30,000 fleer glossy. That’s nothing compared to the upper deck which is still being printed 😂😂😂…. Some bright spots of the junk wax era!!!

@pjfreak99 Год назад

My PC is all 9s. Loved this video

@JTMinnesota Год назад

I miss Kirby...

@ptccombatfitness6726 Год назад

No one else does, he was a pos human

@bigedr8123 Год назад

Its a baseball video bro. He misses Kirby the exciting ballplayer not Kirby you’re next door neighbor 🙄

@hognuckles Год назад

Me too

@XZOL445 Год назад

@@ptccombatfitness6726 I miss him too, so you're wrong.

@ptccombatfitness6726 Год назад

@@hognuckles Do you miss most people that beat their wives. Says a lot about your character

@jeffreylanier222 Год назад

I have every card you mentioned, along with the no name Frank Thomas RC.

@TheRealAssistMan Год назад

What is crazy to me is that almost all of the cards even graded a 9 sell for far less then the PSA $19 grading cost even if you are a $100 a year collectors club member! Like why would anyone even send those cards in to be graded. PSA needs to lower their fees for real. Card gets graded a 9 from that era and it sells for half of the grading cost/ Thats absurd. If PSA wants to continue to have real business they are gonna need to knock down the grading costs to like $10 a card. I have all of these cards and i know all of them are a 9 and some would be a 10 but why send them in. If they all get 9s i lose money, alot especially after shipping there and back and insurance. The difference between 9s and 10s cannot be seen with the naked eye at all.

@JunkWaxHero Год назад

Great video, Chris

@BLYKMYK44 Год назад

You could’ve added the greatest DH of all time!

@forpetesake20 Год назад

I wish this topic would come up more often. I always been just a collector and seems to me without collectors then the hobby would just be dealers passing cards back and forth. I loads of pete alonso rookie cards and only 2 psa 10s. 10s are for investors and everything else is for the rest of us

@burno7799 Год назад

I bought a Alonso 10 base RC accidentally before the season. It's literally one of the only 10s I own.

@rj-vj8gr Год назад

great video, Chris

@johnsherman8649 Год назад

I'm ok with 9s when I buy, but I want 10s when I submit my own.

@bryanl3659 Год назад

Very good points are made …… but I want a 10 lol

@kevinjones9685 Год назад

Another thing about 9s--they're still graded MINT

@jimmy_iKoN Год назад

Collect nice 8s

@Doors067 Год назад

Really expand them by going sgc. They are the bees knees

@psychbookman8613 Год назад

Which would be the better long term investment play? The Kirby in a 10 or the set of HOF's in 9's?

@collectorinvestordealer Год назад

Hard to say. Historically, the Kirby 10

@psychbookman8613 Год назад

@@collectorinvestordealer Thanks...I think you're right, though haven't done the math to confirm. Don't mean to be a contrarian (excellent video and discussion) but for some collectors interested in handing off a more manageable and valuable set of cards to the next generation, the emphasis on quality over quantity may be the way to go. One could do both...using the "9s approach for sports or eras that you are most interested in as a collector" and the "10's approach" to a find a few high end examples of cards from sports or eras of relevance but less immediate interest...

@brianthurman4933 Год назад

Now compare psa 9 to raw cards for even bigger savings!

@MutherFIFA Год назад

I’m on board! I buy 9s almost exclusively. 10s are cool and I’ll buy em but I won’t pay some insane premium for them. A 9 can be a 10 and a 10 can be a 9.

@captun5207 Год назад

I look at it like this. 10’s are for resale value. 9’s and lower are for the PC. I rarely buy a 10. The majority of my 10’s are from cards I had graded myself. Since I am mostly into vintage now, 10’s really don’t exist anyway.

@kc8767 Год назад

International move sounds expensive. 😮😮😮

@collectorinvestordealer Год назад

It is!

@affirmed_7835 Год назад

I collect hockey but I've done a similar thing. For modern I target PSA 9s, and for older stuff (70s-80s) I target mostly 8s, or in the case of certain cards, as high a grade as I'm comfortable paying for.

@TwoPyramid Год назад

I buy 10's.

@jonathonhappel Год назад

If they take the subjectivity out of grading and figure how to use AI so that the difference between a 9 and a 10 can be precisely determined, than I would buy the 10 if I could afford it.

@PushnButtons62 Год назад

Really appreciate the info that you provided in this video. This question might not apply so much to this video, and you've likely answered somewhere else, but do you use a jeweler's loupe before you send cards in to be graded? Thanks Chris

@collectorinvestordealer Год назад

I personally do not but its probably a good idea

@wheelman0799 Год назад

Whats funny is these are considered over produced junk wax yet I would be willing to bet there are thousands of more psa 9s and 10s of luka in just a base prizm not to mention all the 250 dif colors or parallels then the 1000s of other brands and their parallels these guys atleast only have 1 or maybe 2 rookie cards period and they are already in the HOF

@blueodum Год назад

And it doesn't even include the 2 best players of the era: Bonds and Clemens.

@NuthinFancyCollectibles Год назад

Well, I can’t argue with that logic. I have only one PSA 10 that I couldn’t pass up.....a 1992 Upper Deck Bird/Jordan fanimation. It was too good of a deal. I HAD TO HAVE IT!

@livinwithlt Год назад

I do the same thing. A PSA 9 is perfect for me if I’m buying personal collection cards. The 10 is exclusively for flipping or selling later on. At the end the day, the question is are you a collector or an investor :-) The Grade should never matter

@michakav Год назад

A visually off center card is in no way a 10. A 10 should be flawless.

@mr_fantastic4281 Год назад

Good video. I'll go one step further than just saying not everything needs to be a 10, and say not everything needs to be graded at all!

@moe4188 Год назад

If anyone had money to burn it would be interesting to see a video of cracking all those 9s And sending them back in to get graded to see how many if any come back as 10s. It seems that if you got 1 or 2 it would pay for the fees and then some

@colinburroughs9871 Год назад

I have a beat to shi* (but visually ok from a foot away) Joe Montana rookie that I grabbed from ebay for 15$. It sits on my table by the computer. It's cool. I look at it from time to time. I like it. 15$. I can appreciate what grading can do, but in reality, given the medium, it's almost entirely psychological and pretty manipulative.

@bp6614 Год назад

You can make a killer football collection of PSA 8s. All the biggest HOFs for a couple hundred dollars each.

@ernieyeager6927 Год назад

This is really good info. I agree totally when collecting with the 9. I always just get a card first and then later just be patient and get a better one later in life.

@hayden7432 Год назад

You can expand this idea even more when considering raw cards instead of graded. I’ve never really cared about cards being graded and it’s saved me money on cards I want.

@scottd8624 Год назад

You will likely create another video next month to illustrate another sale on the same Mahomes card for $50k.

@grownmanlookingatsportscar194 Год назад

Great video and excellent point. As a few people have noted, would be interesting to see how prices changed in 9s vs 10s over time. Would also be curious to see how much those same cards would cost raw. Probably $1-$3 each - with less paid for taxes and shipping. Maybe $35-50 for all?

@collectorinvestordealer Год назад

Great point. You could probably get all the cards raw in NM+ condition (except the Rivera) for about $100

@theothermiketrout4861 Год назад

9s are still Mint! I also like buying SGC 9.5s because they are usually at a good price point in comparison to PSA 10s.

@bigedr8123 Год назад

Great video as usual. Really puts things into perspective. Thanks

@burno7799 Год назад

I collect Gold Parallel RC from base Topps. I specifically look for 9 or 8 before I get a 10. I buy PSA cards for the protection of the borders. Then i buy raw gold copies and grade them. If i get a 10 i sell it, buy the 9 and make some money. Its so easy.

@KevDNYC1 Год назад

Hey Chris. Your channel is outstanding. Not only do you have an incredible amount of knowledge about the hobby, but it seems like you’ve gained a ton of respect from the hobbyists. Have a safe move. Hope to meet you at a show one day!

@rjuleson Год назад

Could the same be said for buying 10s from csg or scg or bgs? They could be as nice as a 10 with psa, for a fraction of the cost. Thanks for the great videos.

@collectorinvestordealer Год назад

Great point!

@theboringchannel2027 Год назад

85 - 92 junk wax era, the one time slot in cards, where you want/need to own a 10 if you don't want to take a financial loss on your card when you sell it, even years later.

@walterdudedonny Год назад

Exactly. Are people still sending these cards in to be graded? Unless you are bulk rate, the grading fee is more than the card most often.

@ProjectLighthouse122 Год назад

I been a card collector since Wayne Gretzky’s second year card came out.. and I still don’t own a single graded card. Most people are buying the grade and NOT the card.

@imamisfit445 Год назад

All those cards would be in a $1.00 box. Grading is a scam.

@monkabuda Год назад

Great and well thought out video. I would go one step further and look at very nice raw cards of the same players. I am sure the value for your dollar would be staggering!

@salfrat55 Год назад

Fantastic video. One of your best and that's saying a whole lot. You could have added Bonds, McGwire, Sosa and Clemens and still stayed under the $725. So I think you made a REALLY compelling case that for a collector with a reasonable budget, the PSA 9s are a MUCH better value. But here's another question... Which would be a better INVESTMENT long term? Tough one but I'm going with the PSA 9s. To me there is a much better chance that a lot of those cards double in price (from say $10-12 to $20-30) compared to hoping that the Puckett doubles in price to $1500. I could very well be wrong. But at the very least those 9s should hold their value. I fear that may not be the case on that Puckett

@rascal3013 Год назад

The grading companies continue to be disgustingly greedy in my opinion. Grading scale 1-10 you could say you have a 10% chance to make a huge profit if you get a 10. You lose money on grading fee alone with a 90% chance on the majority of the cards in the video with any grade of 9 and under. Ridiculous! People please stop grading cards at least for a few months to wake up these greedy companies. They haven't adjusted down on grading fees with the market nearly enough.

@user-hm5zb1qn6g 28 дней назад

your lack of self awareness is hilarious.

@Scatter23 Год назад

Excellent video. I liked how you showed many cards so quickly at the current prices. Exactly what I’m interested in since I have so many vintage cards

@bp6614 Год назад

This!!! Great topic Chris, and exposing one of the great myths in collecting. Unless you are a high end dealer or rich 10s are overpriced and irrelevant. 9s are great for 80s and up and most of the time you couldn’t tell the difference. For vintage I simply go with a “collectors grade” of 7 for 70s, 6 for 60s, and so on. Obviously for the big ticket players you get whatever you can afford. Even if you’re a collector who wants to maintain value in your collection, get the grade right before the biggest price jump. Off the top of my head I think of the SP Jeter. I would buy the PSA8 at $600. 90% or more of collectors aren’t going to dish out the $8000 for a 9, so if you ever wanted to move it, that 8 grade is going to be in high demand for the largest swath of buyers. Just my perspective and opinion, but great stuff!

@Krysdavar Год назад

:::Watches PSA 9's rise in price because of this video::: Dangit, thanks Chris! 🤣

@cwpucks1188 Год назад

Well being graded cards are just a personal opinion on the condition of a card and will change from company to company and even year to year with the grading company, people that pay the high price for 10 or frankly any graded card to me is just odd . However being im a collector and dont care if the cards i have are worth anything or not I guess my take is not important.

@johnm1008 Год назад

I would rather have an "eye appeal" authentic with a completely missing back than and OC 8

@rj-vj8gr Год назад

don't c the link

@thomaswilburn6217 Год назад

Is there a possibility of a market correction on PSA 9's to get closer to a 10 value. 15 times difference seems like a pretty large delta for one spot off in grading.

@collectorinvestordealer Год назад

There is a possibility but I probably would not predict it

@micmac41 Год назад

collectors, with money, who buy the best, buy 10s...people with no money by less

@BrianThorp Год назад

Collecting PSA 9s for hall of farmers is a great strategy. I also like to find my PC players in PSA 10 for their less expensive non-rookies. I will put the first bid in and set the max bid at $20 or $30 and then just see what I end up winning. I have ended up with a ton of cheap PSA 10 Griffeys, Jrods, Lillards, Carrs, and other guys in my PC. Most of these I would have never sought out individually but are nice editions for my PC.