Expensive VS Cheap Shotgun Shell CHALLENGE (Hevi Hammer VS Steel) | AMAZING RESULTS!!!!!! 

Imagine being able to find shells...

Hey, don’t knock federal. I use them and I think they’re alright, better price tag too.

Love the shotkam!! Would be cool if you could stay on the bird with the shotkam a little longer after the shot would love to see the fall & splash too 😂👍 Gotta love a private farm pond!

Thank you for tuning in. Yes, I know this was not much of a "Challenge video". I did that on purpose. If you know, you know. 🤷‍♂️

We've killed 100+ birds this year with federal speed shok no complaints here.

All I shoot is hevi steel 3” 2 with a kicks high flyer mod choke 12ga

I really like the premier feature, we are in the same general area and I never get on as good of hunts as you do, what’s your secret, now we mainly hunt public not private

you guys are impatient and its leading to a lot of bad shots and crippled birds.

Been there, done that, with the Environmetal Inc. products. In all honesty, their best waterfowl loads are their all steel loads, or their all tungsten loads (but who can say it's reasonable to spend $6 to $10 a shot on wingshooting shells). From watching the patterns a couple times from your shotkam footage, It did not appear the patterns with the Hevi-Hammer load were optimal. This is not uncommon for mixed material shotshell loadings like Hevi-Hammer. This is especially true of a bismuth-steel blend, as you are taking a rigid and non-malleable shot type and blending it with a soft and malleable shot type. Upon firing, setback of the load occurs, which with steel does nothing. With Bismuth, however, if the shot is not cushioned by buffer or a power-piston wad it will compress and deform. Contrary to marketing from Environmetal Inc., non-round and deformed pellets do not fly through the air in a straight path, nor efficiently. That said, with deformed pellets at the top of the shot column, they will interfere with the consistency of the pattern as the charge goes down range. essentially, the steel shot is beating the hell out of the bismuth and the in turn the bismuth is knocking holes in the steel shot's pattern. boom, you have a load that is almost useless unless choked just right. But that brings us to part two of why loads like Hevi-Hammer are a bad idea and all marketing gimmick. For one, the Hevi-Hammer loading is not an even-split/balanced loading (such as old hevi-metal once was with a supposed 50/50 blend of steel/hevi-shot). They claim it is a 85/15 split of steel and bismuth shot. With a 1oz #3 shot load in the 20ga, that means there is approximately 130 steel pellet and 15 or 16 bismuth pellets on top of the steel (assuming the bismuth is actually a #3 sized pellet). So in effect, the Bismuth in that load is doing nothing for you with only 15/145 pellets being a higher density material. Top that off with the fact that the 1oz load that Environmetal loads for the 20ga only pushes out at about 1,350 FPS box label, that means you get less energy per pellet down range with a material (steel shot) that needs velocity to perform since it suffers from the low density of 7.9gcc (versus bismuth with 9.6gcc density). It is no wonder you saw a marked improvement in using the 7/8oz 1,550 FPS #2 Fed blue box load over the Enviro load; there was a better pattern and better energy/penetration on target. Bottom line is that shot types like Bismuth, ITX-10, ITX-13, hevi-shot, and TSS all are better Non-tox shot types than steel by leaps and bounds. But when you mix them in with steel shot or each other, you are more likely to blow patterns and have a less desirable effect than just running one material shot in a load. The reality of the situation is, If you are not going to shoot a higher density material and you are going to shoot steel, you need to select the correct weight charge and pellet size for you intended hunting scenario and push that pellet at minimum 1,400 to 1,450 FPS at the muzzle. Environmetal products are, in my opinion, all marketing and made cheap/sold expensive. I no longer shoot steel loads, period. I shoot Boss out of all my guns/gauges, but if I were to shoot steel again I would select a different brand than Enviro.

Hey josh great vid! Could you do a video on tuning your goose call and a video about hunting big honkers? Like scouting tips, field types, spread shapes, blind setup. I would definitely tune in!

Need to shoot some boss shotshells for smaller gauges; 20, 28, 410

Canuck here, I’ve been using a bb shot on Canadian and snow goose, which delivers a good solid kill. I find smaller shot just a little light in steel for goose.

Just picked up my first shotgun yesterday - Browning BPS. Working on getting out there - your content has been really insightful!

gotta lead more and those shells are only 15% bismuth not worth the price also 3s are a little small for honkers just my 2 cents. 3-1/2 "12 gauge for the honk daddies never lets you down

1 7/8 oz 20 gauge shells huh. That’s new to me

I like the HeavyMetal. I think it's worth the extra bucks, us guys with a 12 gauges don't shoot as much as the guys using the lesser gauges. You should give that 20 gauge to your wife. LOL

I shoot 12 gauge Hevi Hammer , 3” shot 2. I hit drop ducks with no issues. But I can’t drop any geese. Not sure what’s wrong lol

Can’t beat the federal speed shoks for the price and performance that’s all I shoot for duck and geese

I use federal blue box almost exclusively.

Lmao Hevi hammer and Hevi steel practically the SAME load. On diff is about 20 bismuth BB’s per shell. Same wad, same steel. Same stuff. Wanna do a comparison do Hevi steel VS boss or TSS

Hevi stuff is junk. Josh u would love the boss 5s out of the 20.

20 ga. is an under rated gun for Ducks , Goose .

I think he ment to say 7/8ths oz #2 shot 1550 fps

Show the dog work my man :)

Awesome hunt in my book! Stay safe and enjoy what the good Lord has blessed us with!

May I respectively request that you show more "dog work"? I'd like to see your doggo friend retrieve those big birds! 👍

Who is ever on your right needs to be taught how to shoot in his lane… def swung in front of you multiple times 🤦🏼‍♂️

$20 venmo if you can combine dock jumping for the dog on a retrieve on a goose at that spot. $25 if the dog clears 12'. Good hunt man.

Dont feel too bad, I havent got anything this year. I just started a few months ago, right behind my house is the X for the geese, land is grid locked

What is the distance for the majority of your shots?

Imagine being able to find a pond that geese are landing in. And you can actually get permission to hunt.🤔🤔😂😂😂

Those are some pretty nice sized honks there. Love the 20ga!

HIGHLY recommend trying BOSS. Switched to them this year, went from 3 inch 2 shot steel to 2.75 inch 5 shot BOSS shells and were killing them out further than with steel. Much better

Hevi metal is junk its only 1300fps

Yessss let’s go new vid, love the vids man been watching since cope junkies

have you ever shot a goose and it land in the blind?

whats your experience with tss??

Love the content hopefully the birds keep migrating through down to us here in Mississippi before season ends!

#3’s are great for ducks. I use # 3 federal speed shock. However, I don’t recommend using # 3’s for geese. No shot size smaller than a # 2. # 1 does great for geese too.

Where can I find the goose butt decoy?

No substitute for BB or #1 shot on geese

What camera is that with the red dot

Love the 20 gauge hunting 👍👍

I watched a lot of videos where these guys shoot 20 gages, but they basically run a 12 gauge around out of it. 20 ga 3" inch equals 12 ga 23/4"

I enjoyed the vlog. 😹 You should most definitely film with Bad Friends! Their pranks really are like David Dobrik mixed with a lil bit of Faze Rug. Go check out their page out and give them a subscribe! 👉 #GoodLuckBadFriends

Don't kill them 😢

12ga 3" 1¼oz BB @1450fps from a .705" choke. Shoot your best. But the most important thing: Stay on the same bird til she folds. It takes discipline. Otherwise, you're gonna cripple a bunch of birds. The coyotes gotta eat too but . . . If you cripple a bird, keep shooting the same bird. And don't call somebody off a shot while they're trying to kill a cripple. That bird ain't comin back. It's leaving to die somewhere away from where it got shot.

Love watching you goose hunt.

Great video man!

Lmao I want some of those 20ga 1 7/8oz @1550fps that should do the trick. That’s like an 8ga load

I was like, "Why aren't you shooting the ones standing right next to you." After the longest time I realized they were decoys...

And that’s why I shot T shot at geese

I've killed lots of geese with 3 shot now I'm shooting 5 shot out of my muzzleloader

What hearing protection you using? I just returned decibullz, they sucked

I’m not a fan of expensive shells. I’m a $10 and below kinda guy

Heavy metal, long range, 2 3/4 inch #4 12 ga, best load for ducks, deader than dead

Tell the guy in the middle to stop crossing over you gun barrel. That is driving me nutz.

Damn watching hunting goose vids gets me pumped up… im from way up north in canada ontario. Soo i have to wait untill next April for hunting… then September

If you hit em in the head, about any shell will work. If you hit em in the butt, a slug may not be enough.

Yap

Not a fan of heavy metal loads myself. Winchester blindside bb for geese and federal #5 for duck.

Best math ever black cloud shells with kicks high flyer modified choke

These cheap vs expensive challenges prove nothing bc every shot is different, human error, distance, etc. You might make a great shot with cheap shells and completely miss with expensive shells. Patterning the shells and choke you hunt with is the only way to see what will work better when you do make a good shot.

my grandfather handed down a 12 gauge goose gun any recommendations for shells it can shoot three inch

I shoot federal speed shok for ducks and hevi hammer for geese

Calling sounds like me puking. Go buy bad grammar

I use hevi shot hammer 2shot and it puts them in my truck.

Which make and model of 20 ga are you shooting?

Hey what call are you using in this video? Love the sound and tone depth on it

Hevi metal is not near as good as the discontinued original

I shoot a 4011 foremost 12g, it shoots only 2¾ and #2 federal shoots like a dream. Got my first limit of 2021 last weekend!

What are the hearing protection ear buds that you use?

“Challenge” I’m picking up what your putting down there haha

Have y’all been getting much snow? Or ice

Josh I shoot the same federal as you they are lights out ..

My son loves the federal shells to in his 20 too they hammer geese

The proof is in the pudding. I don’t like the think that a shell isn’t as good based on a gut feeling. Shoot those shells on paper and know for a fact that they are good enough to kill birds rather than crippling 5-6 geese on a hunt and sending those to die on the refuge

Why do you shoot 20 instead of 12 gauge

1:46 what is that dude talking about he has a go pro on his head

Hey man is this a tactacam that you use or a shotkam?

That Shotkam adds so much to your videos. I thought you stoned a couple of them but they didn't fall. Great video.

Super cazerias amigos saludos 🇪🇨🇪🇨👍

Yea they need to wait a little longer in their shoots

Winchester Super X4;;

Fed blue box great $, and they get it done

Could have shot your limit lol

Lmao I love that you made this video.

What hearing protection?

Hello sir Where from you?

You shooting behind em

Good stuff Josh! Still floors me that you are shooting geese with a 20 gauge. Can't wait to see what's next.

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Yea I can’t get shells anywhere I went to academy 20 minutes early and there were 100 people lined up and when I got in there they were already sold out

Man I haven’t been able to get heavy metal to pattern worth a dang out of any gun I’ve tried with.

I like your blind

Blue box feddy all day

Bomb ass vid my guy

Love the 20ga man!! I have the exact same one. What choke are using with it?

What shot size do you typically use when duck hunting?

Federal Speedshok all the way! I've had the most good luck with them not jamming and the price is right in the middle of everything. Nothing fancy but they're made well.