Explaining All Banned Extra Deck Monsters in YuGiOh [Part 5] 

But SIR there are so many broken DRAGONS in the game!!

“Dragons huh? You mean that type that we literally piss out support for?”

@@ragnaricstudios5888 "yeah, that one! They only have weak monsters in extra deck, so i will be fine!"

Komoney has such a weird fetish for dragon types.

@@AxisChurchDevotee and warriors, and sometimes spellcasters

Yup thanks to Ultimate Offering being at 3, abused a lot in Gadgets and Madolche.

Time for Top 10 Cards that are Extra Nasty and then Top 10 Cards that aren’t Half Bad

And Top 10 Cards _that is not that good_

Same it gets me so hard

I love it when he says "but in Duel Links..." specially seeing how many TCG players see Duel Links as "inferior"

Dragon link baby 😁

No erratas

@@ManoloRibera070 yeah erratas are stupid imo, whats the point of changing a card’s effect so it can come off the list only for it to be unplayable? Just keep it banned then

@Yan Carvalho anti-special summon floodgates and cards that are unaffected shouldn't exist at all yet they put that together in one card 😂

@@buddbrown6858 but we need cards that are unaffected by card effects otherwise boss monsters would be next to useless, we all know about how hilariously easy the god cards are to defeat because of it.

@@EsoiTheGrumpyMawile I disagree. Can't be targeted? Sure. Can't be destroyed? That's fine. Both? All good. But can't be affected by anything at all?? On top of being lazy card design it's just a less interesting game when you can't interact with stuff. If you remove the ways to outmaneuver cards, strategy goes out the window. Then power creep sets in and the only good cards are unaffected by stuff. It's a bad precedent

@@buddbrown6858 If we need to talk power creep here, we need to talk about the special summoning or more importantly how it's abused. It is FAR too easy to bring out powerful monsters with several omni negates with barely any draw backs in the current meta that going second is not only mostly unviable (evenly matched is the only card that I know can counter this crap). On top of that there are unbreakable boards and otk's running rampant across the meta too, this game is generally unbalanced to a fault which is why immune cards are almost needed. Before I end this, immune cards (though not full immunity) really were needed in the early formats just because boss monsters were really easy to kill with spells and traps which made the effort of summoning them kinda pointless really and now we have more cards that get rid of them even easier, it's sad that boss monsters feel like fodder.

@@EsoiTheGrumpyMawile I don't disagree with what you just said, these bosses need protection but being outright unaffected is an issue. It's just substituting one problem for another

Starving Venom is a real head scratcher frfr

5/5*

Phantom of Chaos already see amazing amount of meta success and that one you can only use it in your turn and only last until your end phase and you had to banish card you use. god knows why they released starving venom that easily summoned with effect that last permanently that also easy to copy effect.

@@coins_png Nah, tbf Starving Venom and Tempest are OP, but I was still able to believe they existed

@@buddbrown6858 starving venom exists for anime purposes

Alternatively they could make it like a choose one of either pendulums OR dark dragons, that way it can try to encompass almost everything Z-Arc related.

As a D/D/D player, i would love this

Actually, Dragon Rulers were never tier 0! It’s an interesting story: A tier 0 deck means a deck makes up at least 65 percent of topping decks in events (it varies a little tho), and full power Dragon Rulers never became tier zero because full power Spellbook decks were also running around at that time, which was the only actual meta deck that could compete with DRs (in other words, Spellbook of Judgement wasn’t banned yet). Then the banhammer hit and DRs were banned, Judgement was banned, and the entire meta had to shift.

Like the PFP

Same....I miss dragon rulers :c

Yea PePe was the best tier 0 since they had to release an emergency ban list just for them.

One of his early videos from this series goes over that Era

While I agree, modern yugioh and Konami sees the extra deck as a toolbox for extra utility and boss monsters, and main deck utility/boss monsters are generally unused unless it combos itself out with crazy consistency. It's unlikely Konami will change to only using the extra deck as utility without boss monsters since the consistency is just so much better with extra deck boss monsters, and they do need to sell cards somehow, but a competitively viable, main deck focused OTHER than dinos would be cool every now and then

@@masterduelzero1795 Konami just loves to print cards to only ban them later for being too powerful. They also love to ban cards that aren't the problem just so they don't have to ban the new card which IS the problem. While yes it's a company and to a company profits are the biggest thing, I don't think they realize how bad it really is. Only super dedicated people are going to drop hundreds of dollars for the best cards and chances are they'll be power crept or worse banned in the near future so why would I drop $300 on cards that i might not be able to use this time next year? That's why I got out of yugioh card play. The high cost of entry was not worth the little fun it brings. Nobody likes dropping triple digits on cards that might be useless soon. Nobody likes losing a duel before you even get your first turn. Nobody likes playing against a board full of negates pretty much losing you on the first turn. Yugioh has turn from a fum back and forth game you rarely won in your first 3 turns to your deck being bad if you can consistently win in your first turn or can't special summon 3 boss monsters first turn. Personally it's not much fun anymore and it's not worth spending a lot of money to get that much fun when a $60 video game is FAAAAR cheaper is offers a lot more potential fun.

@@Aaroncarter95 I agree, that's why I enjoy hearing about the game even though I haven't played in 5 years. Money isn't a huge issue for me now, but grown up me has better things to spend my money on lol

@@josesalgado2796 i keep up with the game and current ban/limits/unbans but until the current obilisk the Tormentor deck that came out the last cards I actually bought were in 2010 when I was still in high school. I got into yugioh again when duel links came out but within a year I was out again cause 1) real life got in the way so I couldn't play much to get gems and 2) I didn't have the money to spend on gems for cards so my decks were quickly outclassed. It just became a smaller, more controllable TCG and from what i hear has only gotten "worse" in the fact it's gotten even more powerful cards than when I left so new players are even worse off than before.

@@Aaroncarter95 Tough balance between making an enjoyable game and staying in business. While it's not for us it's still entertaining.

We only need one more busted card to sneak under the radar.

Sure why not

“But in Yu-Gi-Oh DUEL Links!” The video

You mean the all of 4 banned cards? -That Grass Looks Greener -Invoked Cocytus -Cyberstein -Hey Trunade

@@zdelrod829 Call isn't banned. It's at 1

Or just ban 75

Sales ban

It does exist, in the form of Judgement of the Pharaoh. But that is basically a gimmicky joke deck card that requires you to have Unity or Yu-Jo Friendship to get the full range of effects.

It’s shorts exist as Vendread Battlelord, which to think people complained it was not exactly like Shock Master. Especially since some Drytron variants used it to stop hand traps.

Shueisha technically made it. For the longest time, they didn’t care to balance the cards because they had no experience in doing so. They just slapped them together to promote non-TCG YGO products and were happy when the cards were a reason said products sold. And Konami couldn’t say no because Shueisha as the rights holder could yank the license away next time contract renewals were up. They communicate better these days at least. Also the rest of the cards mentioned in this video were all Konami’s doing. It’s just that Shock Master was the one exception so I figured I’d say something.

I recommend playing online on yugioh nexus for free, you can play against the computer

@@sully571 the computer plays competitively for some reason… and it’s near impossible to find a random person to play “casual” with…. Hell even casual uses the same bullcrap that the competitive players use.

@@falconrvn7018 I play a 60 card nostalgia deck (buster blader, heroes, black luster soldier, abc, utopia) and I rape the computer all the time, I'm also 50% wins on ranked with the same deck, if you want I'll show you my replays. Yugioh is extremely reasonable I promise you.

@@sully571 What?!? Goddamn… are your for real!!?… tbh that’s the best thing I’ve heard from a random person… I mean for yu-gi-oh stuff… in a while .. lol….. yeah I’d love to see it.

@@falconrvn7018 also the other fun thing, I play single copies of every card apart from 3 blue eyes and 2 polymerization

Agrapain could also simply negate the effects of the monster, and maybe also put a level restriction on the target?

@@belafeldbusch3397 That can work.

Basically Shock Master would just be very similar to Vendread Battlelord.

Shock Master would still be too broken. You’d just end the combo with it instead. Far from difficult. That said, I feel what Duel Logs suggested for the errata is still in the spirit of the card.

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They did make the Doremichord archetype & a Cyberse Pendulum monster and some generic Pend cards though.

@@randomprofile5853 They’ve made more rituals monsters recently than pendulums, I’m pretty sure. Or at least it feels like it. My guess is that since pendulums are naturally overly wordy, they’re inherently more complex of a card type than any other so they’re difficult to design properly. Remember that most players are casual and many of those are turned off by seeing multiple paragraphs on a card.

@@MrZer093 I wouldn't call them complex, because they are fairly basic, most comments come from ex-players who still think they are "broken" and "complex". In OCG I think that Pendulums are actually rogue & people enjoy them, plus next year is Arc V's 5th anniversary since it ended so I wouldn't be suprised if they would make more Pendulum support & archetypes.

Cocks gun take that pun back

It's not though. Vfd is a quick effect and it's a big body so it typically will stay around

@@jimthekidd a quick effect being better is not really relevant here since shock Master can effect the opponent's turn out of the box anyway. On TOP of that, he can also be used to shut down spell or trap cards if you run into a deck that focuses on them (Sky Strikers, for example), which makes it more flexible.

@@Mernom maybe I forgot to add. People like there's not other cards that lock out spells/traps. They also try an act like yugioh as a whole isn't shutting off a part of the game for the opponent. All these other negates, unaffected monsters, backrow that floodgates. God forbid we bring back another monster that floodgates as if there isn't many many many many others. Difference is this one has a few outs and nowadays really would be fine at 1. People seem to forget how hard shock master loses to backrow if they call monster eldlich would eat it alive. Altergiest would laugh at it. An they would have to call monster because of nib that's 4 of 5 summons already. Meaning they are even more susceptible to backrow.

@@jimthekidd 2300 is more than enough when your opponent is not playing Yugioh

Or... Make it so it affects both players with a hard once per turn, and must be xyz summoned normally

@@simongobbato7758 yes, a hard once per turn. I also forgot about 75

@@chasepak7933 all it needed was the once per dual, the other shit makes it unplayable because why would summon something that takes 5 materials to summon, even links are more fair than that

@@sdbzfan1 my reason being is the way it was originally put into. Having a full nullified of any can be abused in a way, and even with the errata, it could possibly be limited, maybe

I say we go full shit-post and require 7 materials; you have to use a Rank-Up-Magic or somehow get an extra link with Level 4 monsters to Xyz summon it. (Rank-Up-Magic Astral Force + Herald of Pure Light)

Somehow the Phantom of Chaos effect actually insulates itself from the broken stuff really well, not being able to deal combat damage, banishing the target and also copying the target's attack value is really good card design considering how long ago it was printed. After that, the fact that it's only level 4 has been pure luck for keeping it out of trouble, a Phantom of Chaos Nightingale can still burn for 2000 (before level changing trickery) but it banishing the Nightingale means you can't just make 4 copies despite it not having a hard once per turn.

The Wind Witch fusion monster also copies effects in the grave but it is difficult to bring out turn 1 as you need to make a level 7 synchro as fusion material beforehand. It could become broken later though.

Technically speaking supreme king dragon could be unbanned if they made it like hundred eye dragon

"This world shall know pain" Lmao

@@Yami_Duelist "My pain... IS STILL FAR GREATER THAN YOURS!!!"

It Agarpain(s) me to say I got this joke from its effect text. No Agarpain, no gain.

Z-ARC doesn't really tend to be used for FTK's, not only that, he's definitely way harder to get out than Starving Venom..

Zarc is much more difficult to pull out and cant be cheated out

Z-ARC dies to a big turtle

I made a Pendulum Magician deck that has Zarc as part of it's strategy. But it takes so long that I either win or was defeated before I could get everything in the graveyard to pull off the summon

@@popstarchamp big fax, the only time i lost to a Z-Arc centric deck was when i was playing a deck full of slow burn spells and no monsters

Wait, Rongo is free in master duel?

@@runman624 Yeah, same for Calamities and Union Carrier. Among many, many cards that should be banned. Master Duel is wild.

Alternatively, as a quick effect during the main phase, you detach up to 5 material to gain the corresponding effects. It would STILL be overpowered in they fact that 1 turn of summoning shutdown is more than enough to win a game, as proven by some decks that tech in Heat Wave, but it would have more counterplay since the opponent could use turn priority to Kaiju it immediately before it ever gets a chance to activate his effects, or you can set a floodgate like Threatening Roar to survive another turn, as well as some form of backrow-based negates to stop your opponent from dropping another one.

@@joanaguayoplanell4912 yeah if it was a quick effect it would be fired off in the standby phase

Rhongo and Tempest suffer from not being future proff as Rhongo would be difficult to summon with more than 3 materials consistently and Tempest relying on spell counters sucks but thanks to other cards they can cheat their effects pretty easily and consistently so its sad to see

@@sdbzfan1 Rhongo wasn’t supposed to be easy to summon. It just happens to work with Gossip Shadow. I think one way to fix it would be to just make it HARDER to summon. How about “this card cannot be summoned using an Xyz monster as one of its materials” that way it keeps its original effect but it can’t be used with Gossip Shadow, the actual problem card. Tempest has the same problem. It wasn’t supposed to be easy to add tons of spell counters to her, because when she first debuted, spell counters were still a crummy mechanic. The real problem was Selene, she just happens to work with her. Like DuelLogs said, the fix is simple, just add a cap to her effect damage to make it hard to FTK with her, and a hard once per turn so that players don’t try to get clever and simply summon more copies of Tempest. That would fix it.

@@brianaguilar8283 i would say rhongo should have its 1 and 3 effect swaped since if its emune to card effects the moment it is summon then number 75 cant add materials to it, and if that doesnt work, just make it so it cant have materials added to it artificially either by spell cards, trap cards or monster effects

@@sdbzfan1 that also works, and it’s not technically removing any of its effects.

There’s a simple fix, just make it’s materials exclusively Heroic monsters. That card is still powerful in its own deck, but it can’t be splashed into a Warrior deck that isn’t Heroics.

So many cards banned in that era…..

@@johnathanlemus5584 dark times

@@user-zp6vy9zx5n we’re still in dark times for pendulums. Electrumite may not come back but maybe my bro astrograph can comeback to at least help, now that’s wishful thinking

@@johnathanlemus5584 man if astrograph does t come but I am gonna start a riot in the Konami headcourters

Guess they thought that would balance. It didn't.

@@Kefkaownsall To be fair, the fact that her effect required spell counters made her a balanced card until the new Endymion cards got released ten years after her.

@@3flax554 I meant pre emptively banning. I mean forget Selene mr5 was already potentially gonna cause issues

You mean it's like Gandora X?

Cool info

For reference on how doubling the required number of materials on Rhongomyniad would still keep those effects accessible, Six Samurai turbo can easily go into Gossip Shadow with 5 Level 3 monsters and still have room to make Rhongomyniad after, which would - for example - take a 2 material Rhongomyniad to 8 materials. You can also further that with cards like Overlay Regen (though they would have to be used on Gossip Shadow, since Rhongomyniad becomes unaffected by other cards at 3+ materials).

Fist of the unrivaled tenyi

Rhongo shouldn't be banned

might need both of those things cuz with the way dragon link has evolved, making it requiring one more dragon isn't making a difference

dragon link can easily put three dragons on the field without losing advantage

Rhongo was slowly getting stronger, as getting a full board was getting easier. Plus, his effects are timeless, so they don't lose to power creep.

Yup Rhongo is too generic. It was the most played of it archetype