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Explaining Every Banned Card in the Pauper Format Part One 

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In this series we’ll be going over all the cards banned in the commons only format Pauper and discussing why they’re banned and if they could be unbanned today. This video will go through some of Pauper’s earliest bans back when it was an Online exclusive format as well as the bans that came most quickly after a card’s printing to look at some cards that were generally just too strong for pauper in the first place.
Script by Uncrowned Jules
Editing by Pumkinswift
├ The Video
Intro: (0:00)
Cranial Plating: (0:00)
Frantic Search: (4:04)
Storm Spells : (7:34)
Treasure Cruise : (14:25)
#mtg #tcg #magicthegathering
(Just a note, we have people who actually know the game very well making the scripts for this channel. As the owner of the channel (Theduellogs/hirumaredx) is a total newbie to the game.)

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Комментарии : 93   
@CircusQueen8
@CircusQueen8 7 месяцев назад
Would love to see a video going over the cards that are restricted in vintage, but not banned in legacy
@ari_cool
@ari_cool 7 месяцев назад
super good idea!
@LibertyMonk
@LibertyMonk 7 месяцев назад
It's a good idea, I'd love to see the video, but the answer is mostly format identity. For example, Chalice of the Void crushes moxen, which are half the point of the format. Ponder, Brainstorm, and Lotus Petal step on the toes of Ancestral Recall and the Moxen, 4 copies is too consistent to have the second best version of an effect. So, Legacy is the Brainstorm format, where you expect to have ways to manipulate the top of your deck and cycle, and Chalice is an important card to keep 1 drop and 2 drop plays in check, and also matters against eggs. Vintage is about playing with Power, so overshadowing Ancestral with Brainstorm just because there are more copies is tough, and Chalice on 0 is crippling.
@noguy5961
@noguy5961 7 месяцев назад
@@LibertyMonk No, it's not because brainstorm "steps on the toes of" ancestral recall, it's because they let you dig for power. Many of the cards on the restricted list are restricted because they make finding power too easy, and thats why the cantrips are banned.
@Vi0ar
@Vi0ar 7 месяцев назад
​@@noguy5961Trinisphere, karn, nerset, mystic forge, monsatery mentor, lotus petal, lions eye diamond, balance, thorn of amethyst, mind's desire, lodestone golem, and chalice of the void are all restricted in vintage and none of them draw cards or seek for power...
@dstreetz91
@dstreetz91 7 месяцев назад
@@noguy5961Exactly, at one point thirst for knowledge was restricted in vintage and it costs 3 mana. Brainstorm in legacy can draw you LED and such sure, but in vintage you could be drawing multiple restricted cards with one brainstorm and putting back cards that do not matter once you have the powerful restricted cards in your hand. Chalice got restricted because shops really was too good. A shops player on the play would break the back of many decks because they could just go workshop, some moxen, and multiple cards that make playing the game very difficult for any opponent on the first turn. Chalice is really dumb at that because you have basically every deck running zero drops so you could play it for zero and lockpieces like spheres. It wouldn't affect you either because you just run out your moxen/lotus first.
@JakobusMaximus
@JakobusMaximus 7 месяцев назад
I think you should do a personal favorite top ten. Be it card art, utility, or roundedness, nothing drives the metrics like subjective opinions being placed in a hierarchy!
@JacksonParodi
@JacksonParodi 7 месяцев назад
Warren the world is carmen sandiego
@brendans1983
@brendans1983 7 месяцев назад
That joke was 30 years in the making 😂🍻
@nickbianchini3967
@nickbianchini3967 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for doing the Pauper ban list!
@neminem233
@neminem233 7 месяцев назад
Treasure Cruise could have something like "If you delved 1 or 2 cards to cast this spell, draw three cards. If you delved 3, 4 or 5 cards to cast this spell, draw 2 cards. If you delved 6 or more cards, draw 1 card" Keeps the identity of the card, balances it out, and gives you a genuine choice. Probably still bad but at the very least interesting
@LibertyMonk
@LibertyMonk 7 месяцев назад
Ah, so the Murktide Regent or Compleated approach.
@neminem233
@neminem233 7 месяцев назад
@@LibertyMonk yeah, something like that
@danielwhite1890
@danielwhite1890 7 месяцев назад
Treasure cruise is only good because it can be 3 for 1-2 Mana. Why would you play it over every bad 3 Mana draw 2? If you spend more than 2, maybe 3 Mana on cruise, you aren't playing vintage magic, and pauper is just vintage lite. Cruise could probably be like, 6 Mana instead of 8 and draw 2. And it would be more reasonable
@Metallicity
@Metallicity 7 месяцев назад
To make that nerf a bit more readable and playable, it could be a 3U sorcery with delve and "draw X cards, where X is 3 minus the number of cards exiled with ~'s delve ability". Then it'd cycle for 1U, be a Divination for 2U, and then be a 3 max tax on ancestral at full price. Probably very strong, given none of those rates are too unreasonable, but much safer than the delve draw spells that actually got printed.
@GatesOfElysia
@GatesOfElysia 7 месяцев назад
Everyone in this thread trying to workshop TC…please give it up
@autopsipath
@autopsipath 7 месяцев назад
A few of these cards had me worried as i run them in pauper commander where they're still legal i had to keep reminding myself they're different formats.
@sagacious03
@sagacious03 7 месяцев назад
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
@Themrfuzzypants
@Themrfuzzypants 7 месяцев назад
Now this is a video I have been waiting for. I love pauper and its such an odd format to have cards so powerful they need to be banned.
@neros_soren
@neros_soren 7 месяцев назад
Adding 2 blue mana would actually "fix" Treasure Cruise in Pauper. Especially considering we just got quick study printed, which is a power crept version of Divination, a minimum 3 mana draw 3 would not be broken by any means. Still amazing that it does not break Pioneer at all.
@fordsquared537
@fordsquared537 7 месяцев назад
Just a heads up, its enter the war-ens, not ware-ens
@DerekScottBland
@DerekScottBland 7 месяцев назад
i think this is the channel where the guy purposefully mispronounces something in every video. I unsubbed long ago, I only had to listen to this one because I had my headset on and was far across the house and couldn't make it back to the computer to go to another video.
@dstreetz91
@dstreetz91 7 месяцев назад
Probably mispronounces words so people comment and it results in the algorithm showing the video to more people. More likes and comments mean more visibility. It's pretty dumb.
@The_Abhy
@The_Abhy 7 месяцев назад
Tnx ❤❤❤ so much for us pauper players
@matthewami
@matthewami 6 месяцев назад
I really like this versoin of cranial plating!
@lineshawn4819
@lineshawn4819 7 месяцев назад
the video I've been waiting for
@bradleywelsh7723
@bradleywelsh7723 3 дня назад
Updating the part about cranial plating, all that glitters is banned now too
@semperignotus
@semperignotus 7 месяцев назад
Fwiw in regards to Chatterstorm/empty the warrens. Black is not the only colour with answers to it. Red actually has multiple different answers to it, including the fairly common sideboard piece, Fiery Cannonade, and LCI just gave us Tectonic Hazard. They pump out damage to the board to kill a bunch of small creatures.
@ConManAU
@ConManAU 7 месяцев назад
Ironic that the flavour text on Frantic Search is about the banning of temporal manipulation at Tolarian College.
@DiabloTommaso
@DiabloTommaso 7 месяцев назад
All that glitters opens you up for a 2 for 1 against a removal while plating sits on the field. Hard to unbann eaven with no istant speed equip
@7Alberto7
@7Alberto7 7 месяцев назад
Amazing❤
@CultOfAthena_
@CultOfAthena_ 7 месяцев назад
"Blue has historically been one of the best colors..." not just pauper.
@Enja_Near
@Enja_Near 7 месяцев назад
Ah yes, Empty the Wherrens.
@xquonorbrop
@xquonorbrop 7 месяцев назад
Empty the wherens
@chartypeplays2396
@chartypeplays2396 7 месяцев назад
I think that theoretically the downside of Frantic Search is that while it's mana neutral it puts you behind on card advantage, since you play it and discard two cards and only draw two. I'm guessing that there's just so many ways to make that not matter so that it's not enough of a downside though.
@noahvburk585
@noahvburk585 7 месяцев назад
that + storm cards go crazy with it, and usually you can discard something you dont need. If you have a bounce land or a way to copy the spell you even go mana positive with it
@crondog
@crondog 7 месяцев назад
Disagree about what makes cranial plating broken. The instant equip ability is way less important than you might think; it's expensive and heavy in a color that many affinity decks don't even play (especially without disciple). It's everything else about plating that is undercosted and the fact that it's an artifact makes it so so much better than all that glitters. With plating on board every single free jerk is a must answer threat. With all that glitters if you answer the creature you've dealt with the threat entirely.
@blueredlover1060
@blueredlover1060 6 месяцев назад
At 6UU, it's still getting played, and likely overplayed. Dig Through Time costs the exact same mana and was ban worthy in multiple formats as well.
@kennydarmawan13
@kennydarmawan13 7 месяцев назад
Funnily enough, the artifact lands are not banned in pauper. Maybe because of less synergies with those lands unlike modern.
@Merlewhitefire
@Merlewhitefire 7 месяцев назад
I do hate when the whereins get emptied on me
@dissipation
@dissipation 7 месяцев назад
Treasure cruise might just be the second most powerful card draw spell behind ancestral recall....
@ethanhopper2467
@ethanhopper2467 7 месяцев назад
Treasure Cruise might have been fair at 6UU. Definitely fine at 5UUU
@randommaster06
@randommaster06 7 месяцев назад
MTGO being pronounced "MTG GO" was interesting. MTGO was made when something being online was novel, so there wasn't really much put into the branding.
@Darxide23
@Darxide23 7 месяцев назад
That's the least of his mispronunciations. At least we can be certain he isn't an AI narrator because of the frequent mispronunciations of common English words.
@randommaster06
@randommaster06 7 месяцев назад
@@Darxide23 I've heard enough TTS programs mispronounce words. You're never safe.
@InterloperBob
@InterloperBob 7 месяцев назад
Broke: helmet Woke: "Cranial Plating"
@AnkhInfinitus
@AnkhInfinitus 7 месяцев назад
It's war-ins, not wear-ins.
@FirstLast-dh8ks
@FirstLast-dh8ks 7 месяцев назад
are the artifact lands banned in vintage?
@adamcartrette4037
@adamcartrette4037 7 месяцев назад
Storm could be nerfed a bit if it only counted previous spells played with the same color identity.
@SgtImrak93
@SgtImrak93 7 месяцев назад
Top 10 cards you don't pronounce correctly.
@petrie911
@petrie911 7 месяцев назад
There's nothing wrong with the design of Treasure Cruise. Wizards designs for standard, where TC was fine.
@simic0racle157
@simic0racle157 6 месяцев назад
3:48 nonland artifact?
@larrycapija3570
@larrycapija3570 7 месяцев назад
Mfw treasure crusie is just better pot of desires
@thatguyintherain3168
@thatguyintherain3168 7 месяцев назад
Ive never played pauper but want to, i was sad to see craneplate on the banlist
@autopsipath
@autopsipath 7 месяцев назад
Empty the wear wrens.
@robnolleemteegee9536
@robnolleemteegee9536 7 месяцев назад
EMPTY THE WERRENS
@kevinreynolds7500
@kevinreynolds7500 7 месяцев назад
For the love of God run the words you have only read but never heard through a pronunciation check. Warren= worr+uhn. Happens so frequently. Normally wouldn't mind but now bunch of people unfamiliar will be mispronouncing.
@DerekScottBland
@DerekScottBland 7 месяцев назад
he does it on purpose or he's an idiot. either way, he doesnt care
@robertcusick9931
@robertcusick9931 7 месяцев назад
You are doing exactly what he wants. Free engagement for the algorithm.
@joshelderkin9592
@joshelderkin9592 7 месяцев назад
Bring back red rituals in standard maybe not black ones cause midrange black decks are doing too much already
@kantstopmenowimhavinsuchag7748
@kantstopmenowimhavinsuchag7748 7 месяцев назад
I'm sorry because this is really nitpickey, but it's pronounced War-ens not Where-ins
@Lumpalooza
@Lumpalooza 7 месяцев назад
He does it on purpose to drive engagement
@svenornitier
@svenornitier 7 месяцев назад
Instead of cards, do a top 10 CHARACTERS. :))
@ghouluoshe8001
@ghouluoshe8001 7 месяцев назад
I am so disturbed that they banned every storm option. Like, i always wanted to play some kind of storm, i mean, a normal storm, not graveyard one. And now like the only format I can play it is Modern. And no one in my club plays it. And i am not even talking about the cost of a deck. Like, I hate this. From my perspective it's unfair.
@freddiesimmons1394
@freddiesimmons1394 7 месяцев назад
Do we have confirmation that he purposely mispronounces words for engagement?
@algotkristoffersson15
@algotkristoffersson15 6 месяцев назад
What about uno MOO, the entire game is a BUG
@ThndrMge
@ThndrMge 7 месяцев назад
"Today we'll be discussing the commons only format pauper." > First card shown in the list isn't the common rarity printing of the card, thus immediately causing visual confusion why we're discussing an Uncommon in the "Common Only" format, and it's shift in rarity is never mentioned at any point. Off to a good start.
@jacksonteller3973
@jacksonteller3973 7 месяцев назад
eh it's still a common even if the visual is different.
@LibertyMonk
@LibertyMonk 7 месяцев назад
​@@jacksonteller3973it is still a common, but he could taken the extra 10 seconds per card to find a black expansion symbol printing of the card. Its an "attention to detail" thing that probably won't matter, but when you're talking about pauper, it's worth doing. All the cards seem to be most-recent printings, and it's kinda weird seeing Commander or Masters symbols on cards when he's talking about Khans set, etc.
@ThndrMge
@ThndrMge 7 месяцев назад
​@@LibertyMonk Exactly, it's a quality thing, he's trying to be kinda funny by intentionally mispronouncing words which is irritating in itself because he's obviously intentionally doing it to farm comments correcting him, and then he doesn't take the time to find appropriate card printings for visuals, doesn't mention rarity changes, etc... he tries to make the video at least somewhat professional but then he does a lot of unprofessional things. Kind of hurts my desire to continue to watch his videos because he clearly doesn't care about them either.
@HazhMcMoor
@HazhMcMoor 7 месяцев назад
Funnily his card art guy have screwed up several times before, even back in ygo
@StevenHawking
@StevenHawking 3 месяца назад
Never say warrens again.
@jacksonteller3973
@jacksonteller3973 7 месяцев назад
I think Treasure Cruise could be fixed if you make it cost 2 blue mana and give it an extra cost where you also have to discard a card for each card you Delve from the graveyard.
@dancingmathusalem5451
@dancingmathusalem5451 7 месяцев назад
At that point, also make it cost 10 life, sacrifice a creature, and punch you in the nuts
@zanrakey4140
@zanrakey4140 7 месяцев назад
I think just making it two blue and six or seven generic would be enough.
@jacksonteller3973
@jacksonteller3973 7 месяцев назад
@@dancingmathusalem5451 k troll
@xXSamir44Xx
@xXSamir44Xx 7 месяцев назад
​@@jacksonteller3973He has a point. Discarding a card for every card you delve basically makes the card useless.
@jacksonteller3973
@jacksonteller3973 7 месяцев назад
@@xXSamir44Xx how about just one or two cards?
@T4N7
@T4N7 7 месяцев назад
Pretty much at least once a video I cringe when u mispronounce words. War-rens, not Wear-rens or Were-rens or Where-rens. We have google that can tell u how to pronounce words, please use it.
@troublemack9876
@troublemack9876 7 месяцев назад
😂
@brendans1983
@brendans1983 7 месяцев назад
Why was Cranial Plating banned, you ask? Well, clearly its an uncommon...
@corriedebeer799
@corriedebeer799 7 месяцев назад
You pronounce warrens wrong.
@smithjohn4679
@smithjohn4679 7 месяцев назад
pauper players are wimps that can't handle storm
@Monored4tw
@Monored4tw 7 месяцев назад
Storm is just a mechanic made for ppl that can’t really play the game and so need to use a deck that doesn’t interact. “Ritual ritual ritual storm” very difficult lol
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