Explaining Origin From Xenoblade Chronicles 3 - Lore Explanation 

Interesting idea! I always enjoyed running round in COD seeing people in place (Was funny) but its an interesting idea. I do still think that it could have something to do with Noah being special but its a interesting theory for now 👍

i always just took it more symbolically. noah isn't actually special in the scene, we're just seeing it from his point of view and we see the fear he harbors that which creates moebius to freeze time. it's not actually happening physically or in any real time

Oh that makes more sense. Like, everyone themselves weren’t frozen but everything else was. Ergo, they just decided to focus on Noah’s perspective bc he’s the main guy, not bc he’s already super special in that moment

@@rhettmitchell that's close to what i'm saying! rather noah doesn't move at all like everyone else. we just seen a drawn out version of his emotions and feelings about seeing the worlds collide, they're just personified through him. if lanz was the main character instead, we would see the same thing just with him. and the reason why we don't see all of our party respond is because individually, they wouldn't be aware of each others feelings and wouldn't be able to communicate them since it all happens in an instant this actually kind of helps explain aionios' story in general where it's less that everything is happening in a second and more that it all happens at the speed of light, like how origin operates to begin with. so the origin technology that allows for communication between the universes also allowed for a micro universe to exist in that one moment

The only thing though is that in the ending no one else seems to be weirded out like Noah so it seems to imply some people didn't freeze

It's not unlike what we currently understand the "afterlife" to be. Time dilated down by your subconscious to near infinity (but not true infinity, see: annihilation events) before the moments of your death, filled and populated by the will of what you believe will happen to you.

Gaming Death Star

I dont know any spherical gaming PCs but ok

It's the ultimate reality gaming PC.

@@_b_a_g_u_e_t_t_e_3191 It just has the RGB edgy look y’know?

It’s the Game Sphere from Drake & Josh

imo the collective unconscious created the whole world of aionios.

I'd say that Noah is like Neo from Matrix,he's expected to be an anomaly to fix the Endless now. X once said "they only use what we gave them" or something quite alike. I guess z wants what he sees as a perfect world and that involves something to avoid it turning into degeneration. The same ambiguous thing for z allowing m for the homecoming rite. M says "z wants it too". I don't think she was only lying.

Man if only they had another 3 months to make the game hmmm

@@jstar3382 damn that’d be crazy lmao

They never went into too much detail about it in 2 but Nia was royalty I’m pretty sure

@@FakeFantum I think it was more that her father figure was more of a minor noble in Gormott, but her family all died anyway, so she would, at most, be a fallen noble. But she doesn’t care enough to rectify that situation in 2. Which makes it all the more confusing as to how she became Queen of the whole of Alrest before 3. I’m sure Pyra, Mythra, Rex, Zeke, or Mòrag would’ve done it as well, so I’m not sure why it had to be her. Mythra or Pyra especially would’ve been fine choices since they’re immortal

Rex means king. Therefore if Nia is her wife she is a queen.

It's gonna take some time as I intend to be extra thorough with that and the Monado video so it might not come out for a while but one day, it will be created

While I think that plays a bigger part in it I have to wonder if keeping the game newcomer friendly was another reason for the lack of explanations.

I take this over 283783 hours of exposition so everyone can understand everything

283872 would have been more reasonable

I was never even able to make it past the first step 🥲

post offices: Behold the endless now

We don’t know patience

It's something I can look into but it might take a while...have quite the backlog of XC3 vids at the moment

@@JBspherefreak okay coool

I appreciate the kind words 😊 As for your question, this topic is still left in debate. My understanding of Aionios is like you described in the way that everything that takes place is all in the real world, NOT a different reality. There is evidence to support that but there is also evidence on the contrary. Majority of people believe that the events of Xenoblade 3 do not matter as time was in a sense, rewinded back to when the worlds were first merging, thus making everything up to that point irrelevent. This is simply un true and is much easier to explain when taking the view that Aionios is still the real world. As for what actually happened...well...it's hard to say. I could make the argument that the "Omni-Static Space" that origin created could TECHNICALLY be considered a seperate reality/dimension/e.t.c. BUT if it actually is is a bit above my pay grade at the moment. The main reason that people believe that this is an alterante reality is due to the one scene in the epilogue where you can see both planets in the sky as its suggested that THIS is the real world. Overall, I still lean more on the side that Aionios is the real world after the worlds had started to merge and had been frozen in time but it is possible it is an alternate reality where only their consciousnesses reside (Although that brings up issues in itself). Once we know and understand the original function of Origin (Whether it was originally meant to merge both worlds back together safely OR somehow keep them seperate for good) we'll likely have a better answer but for now, this is the best explaination I can give

Appreciate the feedback but I did try that for the text on this one already...I turned both way up to the point that it looked unatural and worse then how it is now... Main issue is to much of the text is being covered up but there are so few images of Origin (Excluding ones with spoilers within) that actually look any good for a thumbnail so my options were limited from the start

Ohhhhhh that’d be something. Idk how they would explain something that crazy though

I still love it how you can see them during the fight 😂

You misunderstand, the time freeze function within Origin was supposed to create a safe space where both worlds could be created. It was as you say never intended to be used to freeze time of the worlds and prevent the Annihilation. It was Z or Moebius which used this function (Originally to make a safe enviroment) to freeze both worlds in place

Actually incorrect! Alrest had the technology of Core Crystals which were initially created as a replacement for the human brain but were re-purposed by Klaus to become the Nuclei of new life...the blades. They can further be re-purposed however to simply be storage devices which is what Core Crystals do normally anyway and this is proven true due to the Core Crystals inside of Origin. On the Xenoblade 1 side, the Machina have produced both Replica Monado's and Apocrypha Generators which are frankly the most OP things in the series. I said before that I need to make standalone videos explaining how these things actually work but they can EASILY perform every function that Origin can do normally...they are THAT over powered. The issue I always came to however is what is the power source and what is supplying the Ether needed for the tech to work (Because normally Ether is supplied via either the Conduit or Alvis) which is what lead me to believe there is a Conduit Emulator or something similar inside of Origin, further proven through the Zohar's in the Concept art

@@JBspherefreak So while core crystals do have the ability to store data, aside from the Aegis the only people who could actually use that technology was Indol and Indol exploded at the end of 2 so I guess it would come down to how much of that technology was salvaged. And even with the height of Indol's technology which would be Amalthus himself, it was nowhere close to the technology needed for origin. It's one thing to store 500 years of data, it's another to store the data of the universe. Strictly speaking if you consider the read and write speed needed for that amount of data or maybe all that data was just handed to Pneuma at the end of 2 (ignoring the data would need to be updated), even if Amalthus or someone as knowledgeable as him was alive they wouldn't have been able to store a universe of data in that time. Or even if you just limited it to all of Alrest, you would also need time to store the data of all of Bionis and once again it took Amalthus 500 years to get to the level he did. Indol was the height of technology on Alrest and there is no way they would have the technology in time even if Indol didn't explode. Even actual blades couldn't utilize Morythian technology from Adenine's sidequest, and she was someone who specialized in that research so even with blades helping something like Origin could only exist with the help of the trinity processors. And for the Monado Replica, it's idk for something like Origin to work you needed it to store two universes worth of data and then be able to rematerialize it. The only one on Bionis that had anywhere near that level of power was Alvis. Though it is a bit weird how Alvis could do that and not the other two Aegis unless they were intentionally kept unaware of the Conduit while Alvis maintained that information somehow. And also if the trinity processors had that power I don't think Klaus would have done the experiment. Prior to the incident they were already sentient and created the artifices and even that wasn't enough to stop Earth from destroying itself in a civil war. If they could innately do something on the level of Origin, why wasn't it done back then? That makes me think that something else has to be in play.

That's exactly how it was supposed to work 👍

There is more to it then just that

@@JBspherefreak 1. Your video doesn’t even reference what she says: “Origin was originally meant to reboot the 2 worlds once they collided, however Z prevented that.” 2. I’m not trying to argue. Just bringing up a huge point you seem to have missed. 3. *Than

Somehow, some way, they should still be able to be born back into this world. Possibly as a different person tho

@@JBspherefreak I really loved the game, I see it as a natural continuation from the first 2 XC, and I like the underlying philosophy about the Mobius in everyone of us. I feel the ending kind of weird through. Dividing back the two worlds feels like going back in time, it doesn't feel like "not fearing the future". And asking Mio and Noah to give up their love to each other felt quite like the opposite of Ouroboros (which i interpreted as the embodiement of love and selflessness over power).

@@JBspherefreak but at least the ending was quite unexpected and it's refreshing not to have a full hapoy ending

Very much so. If Enigmatter, is the raw matireal of whatever Origin is made out of, then things start to make sense. The question then becomes how they managed to aquire so much to build it but we'll see

You mean like, the two universes will collide, and then within the resulting single universe Origin reconstructs the two worlds seperately? Interesting idea

1. I think theres a bit of confusion here because Xenoblade 3 (Or Aionios) didn't take place inside of Origin. Origin is literally just the tool that was used to create this world which is reality. The Endless now is actually a great wording as it is LITERALLY what it says on the tin. It is time frozen in one infinite point BUT only the world or the concept of the world is frozen meaning anybody and everyone still ages. Melia and Nia for instance likely didn't age after 1,000 years due to being attached to Origin or going into sleep stasis. 2. Your both right and wrong. Anxiety is exactly part of what created Moebius and it was this anxiety of the future which Corrupted Origin. That said, both people's would still be fearfull of what is happening to their worlds. Yes, they have both lived through world changing events but NEVER has this been through choice. Zanza and Malos both wanted to change their world through their own selfish whims whereas this time around, it was the people of both worlds that tried to get around this situation. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment and think about it. Even with what they've been through, would you not expect them to be scared and anxious of if they made the right descision, if this will work and if they'd be the same people on the other side. I'd also guess judging from Melia and Nia's mannerism's at the end of XC3 that they were quite unsure about if Origin would even work in the first place. It's not like they have ever done something as extreme before and with the stakes so high, there would be no room for any mistakes

@@JBspherefreak So let's say that the worlds are indeed stuck in time. We see the moment in which they are stuck. Above Noah's head we see the other world looming overhead, frozen like everything else. How does Aionios exist if the two worlds don't physically collide yet?

@@RellekEarth So at the point when Noah can see the worlds like that, they aren't frozen. I explained in the video that I think this is due to something that the queens set up before hand to protect their peoples but the worlds do in fact collide and overlap

You've picked up on most of it yea but theres a couple of points I'd like to clarify 👍 Number 1: Origin WAS meant to kill everyone or more specifically the world was. They came to the conclusion that the Annihilation of both of their worlds was inevitable and there would be no way to stop it so instead, they planned a way on how they could survive it even if only slighly. The idea was that when both worlds were completely destroyed and every living being was dead, Origin using the data inside would rebuild an exact replica of the moment before it happened. This is relatively confirmed by Melia at the start of Chapter 7 who says something along the lines of "Will we still be the same people we are". Number 2: I know I said it was an AI in Origin in the video but this techinically isn't confirmed. This is what the Wiki says and what most people agree on but Z may not have been an AI. Our initial prediction for instance was that Z was performing some form of Gnosis shenanigans from Xenosaga so its not entirely clear right now. What we do know is that this repeated emotion DID end up corrupting something which then took over Origin similar to an AI. Number 3: Time isn't technically frozen although it would appear that way. From the perspective of those within Aionios, time may look like its still but from outside, things are merely frozen in place. For time to actually be frozen, that would require that EVERYTHING be frozen including all the people, animals, machines and anything else within the world, never to move again. Origin basically froze everything non-organic in place to prevent the worlds from colliding but TECHNICALLY time is still flowing. Say for instance that the worlds froze in the year 1,000. In the main story in Xenoblade 3, they would be taking place in 2,000+ as time is still moving. Number 4: Not wrong here but thought I'd clarify. Moebius IS people. If there were no people then Moebius could not exist as the concept or that feeling of Moebius would no longer exist. They made people their sustanence because they had no choice to do so as they needed fresh people to drain this feeling from to maintain their existence and in extension, the endless now. Number 5: I agree but I believe the DLC will have more answers as to the ending. Takahashi made it clear that this was supposed to be the conclusion to the Klaus saga which basically means that the events he made occur by pressing that big red button will come to an end which to me requires the worlds to merge in the end. I believe we will get conclusive confirmation in the DLC as to exactly what occured here but it is hinted at that these worlds will end up merging once again in the future anyway (Probably not within anyones lifespans tho)

@JBspherefreak Oh thank you for your comment you're awesome. My knowledge of the story keeps growing sharper!

Indeed, a lot of this is speculation but it is all grounded in facts and things that have been clearly shown through the series I admit, the weakest part of this whole video is what Origin Metal is made out of. We went over this like 7 different times after realising that things couldn't work that way and this ultimately what we came up with. Firstly, I'd like to emphasise the point that Origin Metal can not be a matireal that was or is effected by the Klaus Experiment. With that in mind, the argument I gave "can" work due to how Annihilation Events occur. Annihilation Events (and Anti-Matter similarly) will only be caused if there are equal amounts of matter. In Xenoblade 3's scenario, that means that the matter has to be the EXACT same for an Annihilation Event to occur else the worlds wouldn't be able to overlap at all. It was this principle that we used to determine it might be theoretically possible to create Neutral matter from both universes. I don't dispute that Eunie says in the Epilogue "This paper won't last" suggesting that ANY matter would be removed but the facts about how Annihilation events work disagrees with said statement. Keep in mind that Slave Generators don't work like traditional power sources and very little is actually known about them. The key point tho is that Slave Generators received this power from the Conduit THROUGH the Trinity Processor which is made clear from the Siren Model Kit. Because of this, the limitation of the Conduit not being present may not be an issue as both Alvis and Pythra are present in both worlds to supply said power. On top of that, Pneuma received all of the data from Klaus which "MAY" include details on the Conduit, Slave Generators and possibly even Conduit Emulators. On the point about Z, firstly keep in mind that Nia only has 15 TP which is pretty much based on IQ. Nia is not that smart of a person but can simply understand what others are telling her. Secondly, Origin was built in a rush. Once it was finished, there were only 300 days left until the intersection, less than a year. On top of that, we know that the merge happened on Melia's anniversary which admittedly could have been any length of time but also suggests around the area of 10 years (Her 10 year anniversary and her 100th birthday). They were building a device that is literally capable of creating universes on that sort of deadline so I don't think a lack of safety nets or the like is an issue either. Finally, Origin would have likely been recording the data of everyone multiple times a second meaning that emotion and feeling was constantly being uploaded into Origin. Even with everything they put in place, I don't know how much they could have prepared or anticipated that any of this would have happened As for the Klaus saga, it is more of thematical ending to the Trilogy. Klaus' story ended in XC2 when he died and passed on and XC3 aims to conclude the major thing that he did which was the experiment and splitting the worlds into two. A new player won't know much of anything about Klaus but they weren't supposed to. On its own, this game is fantastic as you learn that this world was once two split from that experiment and the ending does conclude that statement. Another thing to add tho is the Klaus Saga also includes the DLC stories so it will be then when things might make a bit more sense but which ever way I look at it, this game was important

@@JBspherefreak For the point of the Origin metal. Saying that "Origin Metal can not be a matireal that was or is effected by the Klaus Experiment" makes this fall apart since how can something exist as not being effected by the experiment when the world themselves are a result of that meaning everything in those universes was effect by it. To say that it was material not effect by it is to say that it exist just because. The Slave Generator point is still a no go. You pointed out that the the Trinity Processor is involved but fail to understand something. Just because the processor is part of it that doesn't discount the lack of the Conduit itself. If that was the case then why, as I brought up myself, did Rex lose his powers has the Master Driver as that power came from the Conduit by way of one of the Trinity Processor aka Pneuma? So how do they "supply power" when said power does not exist? Clearly other people had to be involved in the creation of Origin. I'm so much as saying why didn't Nia make this herself, but more along the lines of why didn't Nia get someone to work on something like that. Something like Origin would have taken a LONG time to make seeing the size of it in game, so for something that was a rush job someone could have easily made something to prevent Z from happening. To be a thematical I feel that the story has to make sense and so far little does in Xenoblade 3. As I've said before in another video the whole splitting the world thing in two never seems to be stated anywhere before this game. If this game was it's own without the XC1 and XC2 stuff it would have been better because there wouldn't be conflicting facts about them. Considering how in the past two games we learned about man and why he did what he did to set things in motion was really impactful to the story. So to say that we don't need to know anything about him feels like we might as well ignore the whole thing. In that the game comes off as so separated from the first 2 games makes it feel like what is the point of having that connection to those games. Heck it was the Klaus story that was the main thing that connected XC1 and XC2. So to have a game that is meant to bring these two worlds together as a RESULT of what Klaus did and not to bring it up in any significant way just feels cheep and boring. As for the DLC stories (which I think you count Future Connected as one too right? I'm just being clear on this cause I count it as one as well) those stories where made to expand the world. In Torna's case it filled in some questions but nothing that was really big in the long run. While we wait for XC3s DLC story the problem here would be that it would have to full a LOT of major plot elements that wasn't explained in the main game. Because were the DLC stories in XC1 and XC2 required to make those games complete? No. But with XC3 it really feels like DLC story will have to dig deep to explain these things.

No you don't understand what I'm trying to say, the worlds were divided at the point where Klaus pressed the button and two identical universes were created. From there, matter like the Bionis and Mechonis came into existence as well as the Titans which Klaus made in Alrest and this would be considered "New" matter and it did not exist at the time of the experiment. We know that the Artifices were made by the Trinity Processor which also means that some could have been created after the world went boom and its THIS matter that could be used. Again this is just Theoretical but it does work based on the Scientific Concept of Anti-Matter which Annihilation Events draw from The Conduit does still exist, its just not in either of these universes. The conduit wasn't destroyed at the end of two, it simply left and hence a Slave Generator. To be honest, I think a more accurate description may be to say that the Slave Generators draw power from Conduit Emulators which could have been built from the Data Klaus gifted Pneuma. As for the Rex bit, only the reality bending powers gifted from the Conduit are what were technically removed. Pneuma is speculated to be a similar state of being to Alvis (Who is stronger then the ordinary state of the Trinity Processor) and its simply this power that was lost as Pyra and Mythra do return as Aegis' at the end of XC2 I think this really comes down to semantics, perspective and currently a lack of information. I could agree that it doesn't make much sense if it took 50 years to build but would disagree if it took 5 and I again emphasise that not everything could have been prepared for and anticipated. We're clutching at straws over this point I disagree but again, I think this is a matter of opinion XC3's DLC will be different to the other games but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. XC3 has an issue of explaining these things simply in the first place so its understandable that the DLC might have a little bit to cover but all that info might be what is leading us up to the next game

@@JBspherefreak Alright the theory here is that for the two worlds had to be divided along the lines of a + and - to explain why they were being drawn towards each other. So matter from those worlds would have to be + and - to their respective world, aka a result of the experiment. You talk about "New" matter as if it just came into existence out of nowhere, but when it came to XC2 we are told of how Klaus rebuilt the world using the cloud sea to break down matter and using that to form new life like the Titans. For this idea to even work would imply that there are things that exist in the XC3 that would resist the Annihilation Events that we clearly see has been affected. Two of which being the Mechonis sword and the Urayain Titan. So if the idea for the metal in this case is that "new" matter can be used to create Origin that would not be affected by annihilation of the worlds colliding with each other then the sword and the titan should not have been affected by the Annihilation Event. The point about Rex's powers was that if he couldn't draw power from the Conduit anymore then the Slave Generators couldn't draw from it either. Yeah it isn't in that universe anymore but I doubt the generators could draw power from another universe. And with a lack of information how can anyone suggest that Emulators even came into being in the first place. Even if something that could emulate the Conduit's power existed, something like that would be too dangerous to even create. That also includes if such emulators couldn't emulate all of the Conduit's power. I would think that some things that to be considered regardless of time. This is for something to save their worlds and they gone with it because they thought it would be possible. So to have a system that will set things right is important, and having some kind of AI to manage Origin should be one of the top priorities. After all they already have supercomputers with advance AI that could manage something like that. I.E. Pyra and Myrtha. You disagree, I disagree with you, as you made that point quick I'll simply go with "agree to disagree" on that topic. As for the DLC. That is mostly my own worries as to what XC3 DLC could be. As I think they didn't handle the story well for the main game just makes me think they'll either not handle it well there or just add stuff that should have been in the main game. Different is one thing, but being required is another. Have you ever seen that meme about games in relation to burgers? The one where it's a "then and now" with the "then" section being a full burger being the game and fries and drink being a few extra stuff like DLC and stuff. With the "now" being the buns being the game and all the inside stuff being separate at their own prices. That at worst the DLC story will be required to get what should have been in the main game to start with. To say that DLC stuff could lead to the next game is interest, though doubtful as the Future Connected could have done that but the set up never went anywhere. (I've commented in regards to the black fog in the video about that subject as to why I feel that way about it) At this point it's really all speculation at this point as that DLC has yet to be leased and there isn't any info about what it is yet, like is it in the past like Torna or in the future like Future Connected?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 😂 That joke was hella funny (if a little gross and disturbing)

You got any better suggestions for a title then that doesn't "spoil" the game then 😂 the word Origin without context also means nothing

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