That ending comment is the reason I will not follow her. She is acting criminal and proud of it, ignoring all moral, criminal and harmful-to-others aspects of her doing because she is greedy.
@@taminy2051 dude you’re so serious you do know that one day we will all die and God did not say you can’t get dupes of your favourite items Morality smorality like she said we are all just specs on a giant dying ball
@@honey6610 I’m an agnostic atheist and I don’t think there is anything like a god or an afterlife. I live my live as good as I can and then it ends. Living my live as good as I can includes not making other people or the environment suffer because I’m greedy. Also, if I follow your line of argumentation, why bother with these fake items anyway? If live is over so soon why waste your precious time on fakes?
My husband is German. He grew up hagling with his father who was a buyer for a grocery store chain. When he visited China for the first time his colleagues sent him out to the market. He bought presents for all of us. His Chinese colleagues asked about how much he spent. They went back alone to see if they could get it cheaper. They couldn't get it for less. So it is possible if you know how to haggle they come down for you in English as well.
my family are chinese immigrants but we don't speak the language anymore and my mom doesn't speak english, neither do the sellers. my mom managed to haggle the sellers down simply by punching numbers into the sellers' calculators. you can definitely do it even with the language barrier. numbers is universal.
as a general rule of thumb: shoes, clothes, bags are pretty much ok to get the cheap versions, but you're better off getting the real version for electronics.
disagree on clothes, if they’re cheap, its probably made with cheap fabric/material and isn’t going to stay in good condition for very long. especially with winter clothes, a high quality jacket or sweater can be expensive but there’s a huge difference between a 10$ coat and an 80$ coat
@@sm00thcaramel it's possible to find decent clothes at these places, and sometimes they're even good quality, but you do need to keep an eye out for them. and yes it won't be THAT cheap, but still cheaper than the original. though i will take your word for the winter clothes. i never had to shop for them because i don't have winter where i live.
I agree, I buy expensive headphones bc I use them daily and I need good quality and good sounding ones. I don’t just wear them to look trendy. But I could see myself buying a dupe of a handbag or designer clothes, bc I only wear those once in a while for going out
@@trashraccoon2635 yeah there’s definitely hidden gems if you know what to look for! and funnily enough i also don’t really have winter, it’s only cold for abt one month out of the year for me but that’s why i want to invest money in one nice coat that’s going to last me a lifetime rather than have to buy a new one every year because of fraying or pilling
@@sm00thcarameli do agree with that, but at the same time not everything that is more expensive is also better, my friend paid a ton on his winter jacket from nike and he told me he's always cold and the jacket barely keeps him warm. same can be applied the other way around, not everything cheap is bad.
I saw a documentary on this. Where the people who make the real products, get hired elsewhere to either recreate or make a better version of the product
I find it funny how the "real goods" are made by factory workers who probably work adjacent to other factories making fake goods. What even is real when it's mainly marketing and branding? Quality can be mimicked. After watching videos of luxery brand employees failing to spot counterfeit handbags, why should we even care if they're real or not? Oh & did you ever get the chance to remember the documentary?
true but then again, in those tiny little specks. a large amount of specks work really hard for even tinier amount of money and it’s definitely better to shop local.
These are pretty common in Korea too and my mom is the master of haggling. She got all of my prescription glasses for dirt cheap and I like them better than ones I get in the US
That's not necessarily bad, it might just be a Chinese version! All my electronics in China just announce (in Mandarin obvs) when they're turned on. Like, my Xiaomi roomba says "good morning, I'll get to work!" when it starts.
I can confirm the „better products are in the back“. We had to return to Shanghai for 3 months each month. When you return often they recognise you and sometimes offer the better versions (because you can return with a broken product)
I remember visiting New York quite a bit as a teenager. My stepmom and i would go into tiny ass shops in Chinatown and haggle with the ladies for louis purses and things of that nature. They took us into a backroom one time and we were looking at piles of purses. All the sudden, this false wall opens up to a back alley, guys jump out of a van, and they start shoving the purses in trash bags and are running like madmen. I swear it was the craziest shit ive ever seen. We ran out and that was the last purse i got in New York lmao
This works in Mexico at those little vendor stalls too lol my boyfriend and I went and saw a English speaking couple get charged like $150 for something and bc my boyfriend speaks perfect Spanish they gave him a discount and we only got charged $80/90. When we were in Chichen Itza a couple vendors told us if he spoke Mayan he give it to us for like 50% off but bc he only spoke Spanish it was about %30
Can confirm, they make it cheaper for nationals. They know (or think) the majority of foreigners can afford to pay a lot of money for something they think is valuable, even if it actually is not that expensive. I don't know how ethical that is, but a lot of the time they have to survive day to day however they can. It can be especially difficult as artisans because their work is frequently disregarded by fellow nationals and seen as cheaper than what it is worth just because it's someone on a stall selling things. That's why I think they take the chance to overcharge foreigners to make up for their losses. But that's just purely observational, I'm not an actual artisan nor am I particularly close to one.
Personally I think it’s gross to be an American citizen going into poorer countries and trying to haggle. I guess people can argue and say it’s gross that the locals upsell to foreigners but they are doing that to survive you don’t need that little necklace or ring for your survival so you can afford to pay their price. Either way you are getting it for cheaper than you would in America or Europe and 9/10 at higher quality. Americans should only be haggling in Europe 😂
@@mazebean5200 I’m all for it honestly, especially if someone’s gonna go to another country for the deals and steals without even bothering to learn the language. I’m 100% fine paying extra if I’m not with my boyfriend but they’ll give him the discount bc of his Spanish so he doesn’t want me to spend the extra money. He likes to chat them up and get to know them as locals rather than someone selling something, asks them questions about the area and things they like to do, how long they’ve lived their, etc, and they end up liking him and giving him even more of a discount or a free gift bc we’re treating them like people not just someone taking our money, which is something a lot of tourists forget
@@Daydreamroses that’s great, except my comment didn’t have anything to do with the haggling and everything to do w the fact that vendors charge more to English/non native speakers than people who speak the same language as them.
@@hadleymarie2452I read it as a continuation in the conversation. Like you spoke first, then the 2nd person added their thoughts, then the 3rd comment was a follow up to the 2nd. It didn't sound like the 3rd comment was a direct reply to your 1st comment. I could be wrong but it's how I read this comment thread
I’m sure you don’t purchase one single thing that was made in a different country, under sweatshop conditions. And that you also make sure that every single thing you purchase also was made by ethically sourced materials. Totally.
@@justsayin1991 What argument are you making here? Obviously, one can't entirely ensure every part of the production chain of a product is 100% ethical short of making it yourself. But one can avoid buying from sources with a *high likelihood* of forced labour. This includes counterfeit products and *certain cheap products* from Chinese, Indian, and Bangladeshi sources, but especially these quickly emerging Chinese online stores and apps. Do you not think doing even a little bit to avoid supporting forced labour is beneficial?
@@ColePhelps61 big "trustworthy businesses" use child labour sometimes. just because it's in a different country doesn't mean it's automatically terrible
@@Fartelf yes but it's pretty clear that this stuff is made by sweatshop labor because legitimate companies can't make "dupes" like this legally, and these items are priced significantly lower than they should be. if they were paying their workers enough, the items would cost the same or more than the item they're "duping"
@@ma66ie what your thinking of is paying for the brand and experience. a cartier watch priced at 10,000 dollars may only cost 1000 dollars, however you're paying for the cartier name and class, and the experience of going into the fancy store. dupes can be made a lower grade without the same brand markup for a significantly lower price
Ive been in some of those back rooms they have in stores in the mall in china shits crazy. They sell a lot of designer stuff that was made in the factory as the real stuff just usually has a minor defect and they cost like 25% of the price. I spent way to much money when i went over there hahah 😂
i mean real brands dont matter but like. how real is the stolen labor of the likely thousands of exploited workers who made those dirt-cheap knockoffs?
Don’t real big brands use child labor as well? How come China is always questioned In terms of human rights but western companies aren’t. Nikes, H&M etc all use child labor
Well it's not only about the name but also idea. First comes the original product, which was poured a lot of thoughts into. Then some chinese people take it and just replicate cheaper. I think buying dupes also disrespects original creators. I'm not talking about clothes, more about technology
I don't go out of my way to buy specific brands, I buy whatever looks good. Whether that may be the dupe or the original. I may buy dupes of well known cereal brands (because its the same flavor at a different price), but I only look at the quality of an item, not how famous it is.
most of these big companies only pretend to care about sustainability and are exploiting poor workers and the environment to mass produce their products
This will be falling on deaf ears here, I reckon. This channel seems to advertise/support uninhibited flights, temporary stays and cheap consumer goods.
I've wanted to go 'there' too! Mainly to where a lot of the counterfeit items are. I'm ok with quality over aesthetic any day. Some of the 'private label' stuff or 'white label' stuff operate almost the same way, if they come from the same factory anyways.
i lived in shanghai for 6 years and the amount of things i still own from that place is kinda funny. we had a unit in school where they took us there and tried to teach us haggling. that place was wild
In Vietnam, Nike has factories there that produce Jordan’s and Air Force 1s over there, if you buy them there, you can buy them for like 20-50 dollars. That’s like more than 50% cheaper and the quality is the same.
everytime i go to the souks in marrakech i love finding really realistic fakes and getting them for really cheap, my dad is south asian but looks arab so he always gets lower prices which is useful
Omg I learned this kind of haggling stuff when I was growing up in a southeast Asian country, and we totally had these outlet stores with similarly not not real things
I didn’t realize how pervasive the not not not real market was in NYC’s Chinatown! You’d see old men just casually walking around with a catalog that they hold behind them. I was there for NYE and you couldn’t take a single step without coming across an incognito sales person lol.
I grew up in Brooklyn and my mom worked at a nail salon. When I was about 12, my mom's Chinese coworker brought us to Manhattan, where a man in Chinatown brought us into a cellar, down a hall, and into a secret room full of counterfeit bags and shoes. It was a really crazy experience.
Honestly it’s about confidence, people always act all scared when they shop in foreign places. I like to call them out on their bs and be upfront, I low ball them and press until I get the price I want.
this is old news.. As a flight attendant airline crews from all over have been going there for a long time.. yea, it’s fun to buy cheap stuff at first .. eventually they fall apart . Also got to be wary of lead in some of these products
These are all things of quality. That's what makes them real. As you mentioned the headphones don't sound the same. What's the purpose of buying them for aesthetic?
It's incredibly rude not to take a lowered price for two reasons. 1) It heavily implies their products are low quality and unworthy of purchase. And 2) it wasted their time. This is true of just about any industry but especially something fast paced like a market. 100% agree with the last sentence. Unless you're hurting a small business or person, people shouldn't financially protect corporations and the wealthy.
Right? I'm not from there but the minute she said you start by going down the price they're offering by 10 -20% i knew she'd still get scammed. I'm from Nigeria and I've been to the market with my mum many times where she cuts it down by 50% straight. My face is like 😱 but by the time she's finished and sometimes actually walks away paying half the original price taught me just how much sellers and shop owners hike up their prices. You have to start as low as possible so that by the time you bargain back and forth and it goes higher you still leave with a profit. Taking 10-20% off only will leave you paying almost the original price by the time the shop keepers start bargaining with you.
Okay, I’m a empathic and I really don’t like when shopkeepers follow me outside cuz I feel bad that I didn’t purchase cuz sometimes 99 percent of the time they don’t have sales that day..(at least in my scenarios)
So are the real things. Apple is a multi trillion dollar company but they still employ child labour and steal designs from small companies. Apple is just alibaba for the rich.
Totally. We’re all floating specs so who cares if we’re buying products that rely on slave labor? Right? As long as we get the thing that looks like the thing someone else owns. Because that’s cool. And it’s more important to be cool than to make the compassionate, intelligent and insanely easy decision to spend your money elsewhere.
Why do you think eBay Amazon Temu and AliExpress are doing so well we’re cutting out the stateside guy that marks it up and puts a brand on it. Even TikTok has a good market of stuff. Your money goes farther and you get what you pay for. I would shop at the store.
Lets all remember that these companies use chinese manufacturers alot of the time. So some of these things probably do come for the same factory just without the brand name
Gonna be real, I honestly hate knock-offs, especially of low quality. I know of someone who has bought me a bit from Temu and Shein for holidays, never liked any of it. I’m sure these stores in Shanghai are different, but I’ll never be fully convinced.
Whenever possible, we buy local products, or made-in-our-own country products. Support the people that live in your community, state and country. Don't support the fast-fashion, the cheap plastic knockoff imports. These tend products have always had a reputation for poor quality - don't last as long. Half the stuff needs to be thrown away much sooner. Also amount of air and water pollution from non-regulated factories ends up harming the one planet we all share.
I learned how to haggle really well at the Pearl Market in Beijing. I do not speak much Mandarin and I am clearly very white but I would still offer 30%-50% below depending on the item and if they refused to haggle I would say "sorry that is too much" and start to walk away, almost every time they would they would call me back and give me a "special deal just for me" wink wink. I remember being handed a calculator on more than one occasion when they didn't understand what I was offering so I could type in the price.
I learned this from Joseph in part 3 of Jojo. Just inderstand that they calculated you walking out and the low low offer is still more than their bottom line.
my question is as a tourist, how do you get these items back into your home country? don’t you get caught in customs and penalized/items seized if you don’t have receipts for very expensive items, like luxury purses?
The last thing you said in the video is pretty convincing lmao, because last year there was a Gucci store in where I live in, was selling fake, literally everything fake!? It’s the biggest Gucci store in my country and in one of the best malls in my country yet they were selling fake? They closed it for like a year and then reopened.. it’s kinda disgusting and disappointing, because imagine the people buying a bag for a thousand dollars just to end up fake 😭 They did return all of the people’s money and kept their items
When i was in shanghai for a student exchange, i haggled down a cute goth skirt to like half the price or maybe even lower, i dont quite remember...but 12 years later and i still have the skirt and the memories attached to it ❤
It maters when you have allergies where something comes from but personally not a fan of most things from that country as it’s lowered quality for all. That is also such a materialistic viewpoint of the world
