Exploring Israel's Statehood and the Palestinian Refugee Issue: Einat Wilf on Call me Back podcast 

I never heard it so clearly ...i wish more people would understand the connections and development without the distortions and abuse which you hear all over the internet.

Bravo Einat. Thank you. The voice we need in these times

You are one of the tightest explainers of this absurd reality. More people should hear you.

This is the most comprehensive analysis of the Israel- Palestine issue I have come across till date. Amidst so much misinformation and oversimplification of the origins of this conflict it is getting difficult for many around the world to get a clearer picture of the truth, no matter how complicated. And this is one of those rare dialogues that attempts to piece together this vexing puzzle in a way that makes some sense. Thanks Dan and Einat..

There was always a Jewish presence in Israel as well as many Arab countries

Amazing! What thorough and intelligent analysis of the “conflict”.

This is the best account of the whole problem out there. This woman is amazing.

This is the most lucid, unbiased description of the situation that I’ve heard. Policy makers the world over need to hear this. I love Israel, yet for the first time I realise just how much it has cost the Jewish people. ❤ Especially those expelled from the Arab lands.

A also bought Dr Wilf’s book, The War of Return recently. What a scholar 💙 It should be a part of western educational system’s syllabus.

This is one of the meatiest, most substantive videos I have ever seen. I can’t thank you enough for having Einat Wilf on. I’m going to buy her book.

Great history lesson as always.

גאונה. אין מילים להערכה כלפייך.

The presentation of the conflict to the world by Palestine and Israel is hugely imbalanced and not in Israel’s favour. Israel is waking up to the reality of the Palestinian vision far too late. Even now the understanding is not fully there but at least it’s gradually spreading thanks to thinkers like Einat.

I'm a Dutchman who has lived in Norway in 45 years. If you do a correct study of history, which I also did, you end up with what is said in this podcast. Just that simple❤

This is a masterclass. The interviewer did an excellent job. It is our obligation to spread this video to as many people as possible.

Absolutly brilliant. A video to be shared non stop. Articulate and so easy to understand. Thank you DrEinat Wilf.

This was so great. I've seen her a few times before, and I really like her style...just cut to the chase with actual FACTS!

This should be taught EVERYWHERE. Especially in the American universities.

Brilliant and beautiful!

I so much admire Dr. Einat for her work and experience, the quote that best applies here is from Georges Orwell : Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

This is the best explanation I have ever heard!

Reading The War of Return now. It embellishes with so much fact & detail the central core of the conflict that is her premiss. I love listening to Dr. Einat Wilf speak. She is definitely one of my heros!!!

I am a history/ ancient history major and Hungarian in origin so I have an excellent understanding of this unfortunate and crazy glitch, or was it? Just from Hungary we lost 457 thousand Israelite sisters and brothers to Hitler demonic genocide, almost equally the same was hidden by good people all over in the country. Each of the sorounding countries were on the same scale. The Oslo agreement was nothing but a small peace of carrots that Jewish people went for in desperation. What a betrayal. They put them in a situation That guaranteed nothing but trouble and slow genocide. I also have a good understanding of both old and New Testament. In correct times, right now the State of Israel must go to court also to The Hague and demand by the all the historical and archeological proofs, papers, Testemonial under pinning to officially change the borders of the State. Most people in this world have no idea of anything you said here. Or just simply ignoring it. Personally I cringe every time I hear the word Palestine and wishing Hadrian Roman Emperor to hell where I am certain he is now. By their genetic marker the people who occupy Gaza for now are Arab, Jordanian, Phillies way back Greek and some Jewish. Mostly Arab and Jordanian. Restore the God given land for Israel to their rightful owners to the Israelites. That covenant will stand up sooner or later. I rather see it NOW🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻♥️♥️♥️🌈🌈🌈

Share this video! It's the clearest, easy to understand explanation of the reason and motives. Great educational piece for those who know the history in general, and those who know nothing, but still have an opinion. Will definitely get the new book! It is most likely outstanding, and as deep analysis as ' The war of return"! Thank you! Love from Canada! ❤🇮🇱

Brilliant as always

Einat gets my vote for Israel’s next primeminster, have no idea how Iayir Lapid got the leadership of Yesh Atid and Einat was out . Just putting this dream out there …

What a spectacular and articulate woman, I could listen to her for days!

she speaks very clear..

Of course they want Israel, look of what was created in 75 years by the jewish people and the quality of life for all their people. All colours and Religions living together in a prozess to overcome differences and learning from each other.

This is a pretty comprehensive explanation of the Arab Israeli conflict but it just boggles my mind how former leftists who literally have blood on their hands just calmly state that they weren't being rational when they supported the Oslo accords but they have come around to actually listening to the intentions of the Arabs....... It is so frustrating and heartbreaking that there has been such loss of life and so much devastation to the Jewish people because leftists in Israel were committed to suicidal policies. Rabbi Meira Kahane was labelled as a right wing extremist and was maligned throughout his life and even in his death but clearly he was right all along. If only he was listened to October 7th would have remained as a vile Arab fantasy.

This should be mandatory course in all the schools!!! This is SO IMPORTANT for everyone to know. Brilliant summary of the history, Einat!!! 👏👏👏

Thank very much for super detailed explanation about this Palestinian occupation madness. I have learnt a lot.

Thank you so much for this important video. This has been the best historical analysis of the modern history of "Palestine" in the last 100 years. I have been spending far too much time writing comments on RU-vid, so I'll keep this brief. I see a lot of "Free Palestine" or "End the Israeli Genocide" and it just makes me sad because of the falsehoods that are implied, and yet people are loving this cause and eagerly run into the streets of Chicago and New York and elsewhere to chant "Free Palestine from the River to the Sea!" This is of course a call to eradicate Israel with some friendly sounding words. These people are either products of poor parenting, poor education, or poor peer pressure. Perhaps it is all of the above, and the sad thing is I do not think education will solve this problem. People just refuse to see objective truths and only want to believe in their own "bubble narratives," (isolated narratives or monologues) as I call it. What can we do to help people see the reality in "Palestine"?

I truly admire this remarkable woman and watch all her media appearances. She really brings a much needed clarity to understanding this conflict.

Now they say the occupation started 75 years ago in 1948 not 57 years ago in 1967. They now make that perfectly clear.

Brilliant woman.

Why Turjey doesnt take immigrants? The start will be their own citizens and then the palestiniens, the lybiens, the lebanese. That will be un nice start, but instead he gives lesson to Israel. Why those arabs countries dont take their moslems brothers? The moslem world should start to question their responsability

I lost all the compassion, sympathy , empathy and the likes , that I had for the Palestinians when they started the second Intifada after they had deliberately caused the 2000 Camp David peace talks to fail. THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT THEY DID. Israel has always been in a catch-22 situation with them. I fully agree with all that Dr. Wilf is saying. She articulates exactly what I think.

She's a scholar. She should be in charge of Harvard. Just kidding. She's better than that.

Einat - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for saying it all so clearly. Stay Loud! It felt great hearing your positive vibe you said at the end with the Arabs realizing, "Oh, here are these people (the Jews) who are also descendants of Abraham and they are our cousins and they are from this land. Let us embrace their presence." (so to speak). I get that same message recently from Haviv Rettig Gur on a Lecture he gave about "The Great Misinterpretation - How Palestinians came to view Israel as a colonial settler movement" on the youtube channel Shalem college. It actually left me hopeful in the midst of all this pain. I've also found Yishai Fleisher very helpful in seeing the possibility for a good future for Israel and it's neighbors living in the land - prospering together. So, as a Jewish American, who has lived in Israel, I thank all of you for your strength and teachings!!! Keep 'em coming. Stay Loud. Shalom u m'vorach

A fascinating podcast that should be taught by many educational systems in the West and to hear the simple facts about the conflict while the West does not really know or is not interested in knowing what the conflict is about and relies on lies and incitement. The truth is very simple. Regarding Dr. Einat Wilf. In my opinion, she should take a very significant part in the leadership and lead the State of Israel for years to come.

Best interview as yet

Anybody that lived in israel in the 90s knows how for a decade israel really wanted and tried to make peace with the Palestinians. Its ridiculous to see them now calling ' end the occupation ' when they themselves chose to keep it going 🤷‍♂️

If only every other person with even the slightest interest in the subject could hear this

We constantly hear a negative answer from Hamas to Israel, regarding a proposal for a ceasefire. There is no progress, this is the sentence that is repeated. On the other side, the World (and also in the US unfortunately) there is criticism specifically of Israel, because of the situation of the residents of Gaza. A situation that, of course, stems from the conduct of Hamas, who is ready to sacrifice all the residents of Gaza, for his goal: the destruction of Israel. The world must understand the meaning of Hamas's refusal to deal with hostages, they still stick, totally, to their only goal: the destruction of Israel. Therefore, there can be no progress, unless Israel goes towards Hamas, and agrees to commit suicide… The world must understand that the things that are happening in Gaza, are exactly what Israel warned Hamas they would do, and were meant to signal to all of our enemies that this is what will happen to them, if they dare to commit the crimes they are planning against Israel. There is no criminal intent on the part of Israel to harm civilians, but such an intent on the part of our enemies, who see this harm as their strongest weapon. The rage that these images arouse in the world, against Israel, are the strongest weapon of our enemies, all of their hope that Israel will be destroyed. And indeed Israel's new holocaust, may actually happen not at the hands of its enemies, which Israel can do to them, but because of the world's anti-Semitism, which sees the Jews as the cause of all evil that exists in the world.

Dr. Wilf, this is the best take on the conflict I've heard so far. I arrived at the same conclusion you did at the end, but then furthermore it would seem the future is brighter for us in the Abraham Accords states than even in the West. I.e. I suspect the antisemitism in the West will more or less stay high, but Iran is going to have a damn revolution.

A brilliant conversation! Thank you for this podcast. For those who don't know- it's called Call Me Back.

Izealis need to RECLAIM the identity of "Palestinin" as what it is, a REGIONAL identity that belongs to Hebrews the Yehudim and Samaritan, Druze and the majority of Pal Christians, but only a minority of the Mozlems, as 65% of their ancestors were NON indigenous foreigners from places like Egypt, Iraq, Bosnia, Albania, who colonized Pstine between 1850 and 1945. . Prior to 1948 every single Hebrew in Mandatory was just as much Palestinin as any Egyptian in Hevron. They and the Samaritan including many of their Christian counterparts, were the original Palestinins until the Aravah COLONIZED the region like they did 1/3 of the old world. If "Palestinin" is going to be used to refer to the "indigenous" population, and if that is going to mean anyone within the territory traditionally called "Pstine" since the 2nd century AD (syria Palestina), then every SINGLE Yizriyali (excuse the algoninjas, censors) is as Palestinin. And Yizriyale is in the territory of Pstine, the REGION. Which is ALL it ever was. This is the only way to reform the identity of "Palestinin" which was APPROPRIATED by the Aravah in 1964 with the openly jean oh sidal PLO charter, and turned into an Aravah supremcist, Izlamofashist Nasi ideological movement masquerading as an ethnonational movement,created for the sole purpose of destroying the legally created sovereign nation of Yizriale, Yizriale, which is the single greatest INDIGENOUS DECOLONIZATION process in human history. Zuheir Mohsen (1936 - 25 July 1979) was a Palestinian leader of the Syria-controlled as-Sa'iqa faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1971 and 1979. "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." James Dorsey, Wij zijn alleen Palestijn om politieke reden, Trouw, 31 March 1977:

Good video, and thanks to the interviewer for letting Dr. Wilf talk without interruption.

The most lucid and detailed explanation of this conflict which is unique in its nature. No other state in the world has ever had to deal with as violent, stubborn and irrational nemesis as Arabs. By the exception for Hitler perhaps. Same metaphysical hatred of Jews, same scale of violence and completely made up mystical ideology.

I enjoyed listening to you explain the conflict in such clear and straightforward terms. Thank you 🙏

Just want to add to my comment that I found Dr Einat’s explanation of UNWRA so enlightening! I hadn’t realised what it actually was and how it worked.

Dr Wilf, you're amazing! I've learned more from this interview than all the many excelent books I've read or lectures I've attended. You lay this out so well. Though I'm not Jewish, I've been an unapologetic supporter of Isreal my whole life. Irreversible loyalties notwithstanding, there's always been elements of post WWII history I couldn't resolve. I no longer have that problem.

I hope Israel lays claim to the Gaza Strip. The IDF has won it fair and square and every city should be renamed, perhaps each hostage gets a city named in their honour. The world needs to recognise the impressive resilience of Israel and the Jewish people. For 76 years, the Arabs have refused the partition of land -- time has come for them to find new homes elsewhere. From the river to the sea, ISRAEL will be free. Sadly, this is the only way to PEACE.

This podcast is pure gold. NEEDS TO BE HEARD.

Brilliant conversation. Fascinating listening to her historical knowledge.!!!!!

I so appreciate Einat Wilf, your voice. I am a convert to Judaism, pray in Hebrew Yom v'Yom. I have always had Israeli friends. They are special, sunny, and warm people. No one else like them.

Dr Wilf is at her finest, a pleasure to listen to her. The man interviewing her is stuttering, stumbling and fumbling looking for words, why can't he just spit it out, he is putting me to sleep. This interview could have been ten minutes shorter if he didn't hesitate so much. I was recently in hospital in a room for three days with a man who lived in Jerusalem as a ten year old boy. He relived his experiences helping soldiers to get to certain areas, only the kids knew the back alleys, over the roof tops. It all came back to him, he had the same passion for telling me his experiences. Just the way Dr Wilf is explaining it to the world.

I learned so much watching this. Thank you!

The Bible gives detailed geographical dimensions of the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Which includes Gaza, West Bank, all of Lebanon, Golan heights, all of Syria, part of Western Jordan, half of the Sanai Peninsula. The Roman empire exiled the Jews out of their God given land in 135AD They changed the name of the country from Judea/Israel to "Philistia" /Syria The Jews have been scattered ever since.

Einat Wilf for PM!

In the early 1950’s, my father, a Chassid, lived in Chicago and he was traveling somewhere by bus, and he was asked by the bus driver if he was going to Palestine! My father thought that the driver was making fun of him for his Chassidic dress, and told him to go to Palestine, the land of the Jews, but then afterwards when there was a bus stop at Palestine, Illinois, he understood!

I've watched several conversations with Einat Wilf, and I agree with her 100%. She makes some brilliant points, crucial to the understanding of this mess. But I'm missing one important thing: a discussion about Islam. The core reason that a Jewish state in the eyes of the Arabs cannot be allowed to exist is... Islam!

When the British created Pakistan and created Jordan--The land now Jordan SHOULD have gone to the Palestinian state--and the rest all the way to the Mediterranean,to a Jewish state. With no ifs and buts and no hesitation. But they bungled their mandate. So here we are.

This lady makes so much sense.

Einat should create the Palestinian High School Curriculum.

I read the “War of return” recently and recommended it to all my friends. We have to spread the truth about this conflict, and Dr. Wilf is doing it brilliantly. I totally agree that the story has to start with the fall of the Ottoman Empire, I understood so much when I read “The fall of the Ottomans”, but nobody reads long history books anymore, so much easier to just chant slogans. So thank you Dr. Wilf for all your hard work! You explain this complex situation in simple and straightforward ways, leaving no room for misinterpretation.

If only the West would learn this history and Islamic ideas more.

Women knows her FACTS!!!👍👏👏👏👏

One of the best clear explanations of the Israel Palestinian conflict I have ever heard. You need to contact the free press and Bari Weiss and the daily wire and Ben Shapiro to reach a wider audience as most western nations do not really understand the conflict since the Ottoman empire to the present. Congratulations on an excellent presentation.

Einat is an amazing teacher. She’s one of the greats in this world. I hope her words help to change people’s minds and point them to reality and to do what is right and what is needed.

It is the land they want only it is all of Israel and all the rest not just the WB East Jerusalem and Gaza

This is an excellent overview of what might be called the Hundrrd Years War 1923 - 2023. A few pictures and maps might be helpful...Interesting : Winston Churchill was Colonial Secretary at the time of the creation of TransJordan...1922 I think...

Mel Gibson was right⬆✝✝

Wonderful interview and discussion

Dr. Einat, your explanation is very informative, and I would argue with anyone who is interested in understanding the conflict in the Canaan land. Listen to this and read the book "The War of Return" by Dr. Einat.

Excellent, need to hear more of you.

Einat for Prime Minister! ❤🎉

Good exchange.Ben Gurion though understood the “ shock “ massive Jewish immigration would bring to the Arab population. Muslim chauvinism is a big part of the picture. No Jewish sovereignty could be contemplated

Wow! This is the most concise, intelligent, and logical cover of the history of the State of Israel and the Arab Israeli conflict I've ever heard! Thank you!

I'm glad someone understands this. My grandfather was in ww1 .General, who was a Turkish General who was from Ramallah who was in Hitler military. Now, the same military base is where Yasser Arafat set up his headquarters. Even Yasser Arafat admitted that Israel had the right to exist.

So good!

Thank You for this

It's funny because that was the conclusion I reached after having listened to western educated, well-spoken Palestinian activists such as Rafeef Ziadah: When they talk about occupation and apartheid etc. they don't just mean the so-called occupied territories but the state of Israel proper; they are pushing their narrative of the zionists being foreign - Rafeef Ziadah even said in one of her spoken word pieces that "their gods [sic!] promised them our land" -, they say Israel is some kind of colonizer like the British or the French empires, completely ignoring basic facts of jewish immigration to Israel. And now they have dragged on that narrative for so long, they cannot let go of it, and any peace with Israel would seem like a betrayal and a failure to them. The only chance for peace would be if the Palestinians stopped nurturing their grudge and hatred against Israel, but I'm afraid this is not going to happen any time soon.

Thank you, most informative

Israel here forever

Thank you for inviting Einat to your podcast. I learned a lot including whose side I should take!

Back to eastern Europe Israhrlli

She is a genius.

33:26 nice!!!

Please send this discussion to Blinken, Nides, and Lew. Perhaps they can learn something.

What they did on October 7th, 2023 is no different than in 1921 / 20s and 30s / 40s.

All these Jews, God bless them, they talk about the land being an ancestral homeland. Thats a losing argument. No one else in the world gets to make that claim. Saying it was given by God himself is a losing argument, because that’s just their belief in their understanding of God. I believe that it would do them well to stop arguing those points.

I have to buy her book. She is amazing! Thanks a lot for an amazing explanation. ❤

Most Palestinians live in the Palestinian Territories. The UN considered any Non-Jews in the Mandate of Palestine from June 1946 as Palestinian refugees. The majority live in Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Territories, they are not refugees at all. Most of the original "Palestinian refugees" were not legally refugees, but IDPs (Internally Displaced Persons).

Some correction here : "...The Turks did what they did to Armenians, to Kurds AND to Greeks"

This is such an important interview I'll have to download it for further reference. Dr. Einaf Wilf is a true expert, we couldn't thank you enough for this precious interview. Shared all over, giving the due thumbs-up! I'm already subscribed to the channel.

Camp David Accord was wrong even though I can imagine the pressure by Jimmy Carter . Sinai shouldn't have been conceded to Egypt without resolving Gaza which was a part of Egypt until 1967.

100% agree to Einat Wilf!

My mum was born in Jerusalem in 1907 and my Uncle was an officer in the autumn army