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"EXPLOSIVE" SUB 12FT/LB SLUG TEST - 3 DIFFERENT RIFLES - MANY DIFFERENT SLUGS 

Lancs Vermin Control
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A huge test & comparison in .177 sub 12 air rifles shooting many different brands & weights in 3 different rifles.
Equipment used:
Air Arms S510 Ultimate Sporter .177 sub 12ft/lb (Rat Works Tuned)
Hawke Vantage SF 3-12x44 SF
BSA R12 CLX PRO .177 sub 12ft/lb
Hawke Vantage SF 3-12x44 SF
BSA Ultra SE .177 sub 12ft/lb (Rat Works Tuned)
Hawke Vantage 3-12x50
SLUGS:
1. ZAN 10gr
2. ZAN 13gr
3. Pro Hunter 9.7gr Premium S-X
4. Pro Hunter 9.5gr
5. Pro Hunter 10.5gr
6. Wildman 11.8gr
7.JSB Knock-Out 10.03gr
8. H&N 10gr
9. Legion 10.5gr
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@patknife
@patknife 8 месяцев назад
well edited not dragged out👍
@ianwoods1384
@ianwoods1384 8 месяцев назад
Hello my friend, Thank you for posting this video on air rifle slugs for 12ftlb air rifles. I have thought about slugs in the past but was afraid I'd get them stuck in the air rifle barrel. I was really surprised with your BSA R12 CLX PRO. Ive always been content with the accuracy of JSB Heavies 10.65 gr and their hunting success rate. So without meaning to be unadventerous, Ive been happy to stick with those. The three air rifles you've used, I have a deep affection for, so wanted them all to do well. I zero my air rifles in at forty yards and my scope stays set at that. I then make a written note of hold under/over I require at different distances upto 50 yards.. Ive attempted 50/60yard shots in target practice and didn't feel confident they had the metal and ooomph to keep on target on breezy days at that range and beyond. That's my own personal opinion based on my personal ability and experience. So, for hunting, I'm happy in view of my personal ability and confidence to do what I'm doing and hone my skills at that criteria. Nevertheless, its always very interesting to push the boundaries and see what can be achieved. Thank you for your film, I found it a really good watch and interesting. I wish you all the best in your future ideas and videos. Ps. A very good gunsmith told me that pcp 12ftlb air rifles are better used with heavier pellets meaning 10.65gr for example, while spring 12ftlb air rifles are better using 8.4 grain pellets. This is because of how they function. Slowed down very many times, the spring piston is a gradual increase of air as the piston moves through the cylinder. With the pcp, as soon as the hammer goes, all the air goes at once, full belt. So that suits the heavier grained pellet.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Really enjoy reading all your thoughts and long comments Ian, glad you’re enjoying the videos.
@ianwoods1384
@ianwoods1384 8 месяцев назад
@lancsvermincontrol Hello, my friend, Thank you for your enthusiasm and kind comment. I always try to raise relevant, helpful points for people who may not have thought about them. However, I'm also conscious and wary of boring the more experienced people to death. I dare say I have at some point. Apologies, that wasn't my intention. Thank you.
@davidfranklin1885
@davidfranklin1885 8 месяцев назад
Lancs, that was FUN and informative! Thanks! Dave in USA
@engineer6250
@engineer6250 8 месяцев назад
For the viewers that have said they will go out and buy the Zan pellets, you’re not getting the point and you may not get the same result as rifle barrels will differ. This is a subjective test. Mind you, it was interesting and yes, I too liked the fact that we didn’t have to wait an age for each shot to land, that made the video more engaging. I’m going to have to find one of those target stands now. Subscribed. I’m interested to see what other videos come out.
@redauwg911
@redauwg911 8 месяцев назад
challenge of hitting a 40mm hft target at 100 yards
@jakobiller
@jakobiller 8 месяцев назад
Well made and fun to watch as always. You busted some myths here today.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@fredericdescomes3384
@fredericdescomes3384 7 дней назад
Great video, interesting comparison, the ZAN in front, it's no surprise. We have a bit of the same way of making videos, we're not afraid to present our mistakes ! 😅
@johnwoodward8416
@johnwoodward8416 8 месяцев назад
WoW thanks for that. Probably the most professional test I have ever seen.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Thank you very much John, glad you enjoyed the video.
@wayneprice2737
@wayneprice2737 8 месяцев назад
I've got a BSA ultra and it's as accurate as my weihrauch and Ripley pcps a grate little rifle.
@thedog24633210
@thedog24633210 8 месяцев назад
Brilliant video and top content
@rock7282
@rock7282 8 месяцев назад
Wow I just realized before looking this was an air gun! Awesome man.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Thank you very much 👍
@iwanvanderhut4159
@iwanvanderhut4159 8 месяцев назад
That was incredible, and not the results we were expecting.
@andyfry745
@andyfry745 8 месяцев назад
Good to see the same experiment with your impact…
@donaldlundy345
@donaldlundy345 8 месяцев назад
Awesome video Lancs great comparison between the 3 rifles shooting 12 fpe very surprising results. Very surprising out to a 100 yards with a 177 and slugs you ended this test with a bang well done. I'm going to try the ZAN slugs in my HP break barrel and I'll let you know how they do.
@antoniolicchelli
@antoniolicchelli 8 месяцев назад
I tried slugs in my sub12 a while ago and they were awful. I assumed 12ftlb just wasn't enough power for slugs, but those zans proved me wrong! Maybe it's time to try again. Great test, thanks!
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Got to try them all. The R12 didn't like anything I had available. The Ultra loved the 13gr ZANs.
@MarkJLarsonOutdoors
@MarkJLarsonOutdoors 8 месяцев назад
Great testing but the explosive targets were so cool! Thank you for sharing my friend!
@RatSpetsnaz1967
@RatSpetsnaz1967 8 месяцев назад
It goes to show theres a slug for every barrel if you do your homework👍i was expecting them to keyhole/tumble at the longer distances but youve proved the naysayers wrong. Great video yet again
@nicksamsunggalaxys2404
@nicksamsunggalaxys2404 8 месяцев назад
The older bsa rifles have no choke the others do thats why it can shoot slugs any air rifle with a choke will not like them
@markT2500
@markT2500 8 месяцев назад
Nice one ,saved me a few quid on that folly
@same3872
@same3872 2 месяца назад
I found similar results through my AA S400, ZAN 13grn performed well. Mako, 10.5 I think, so far has out performed anything else, comparable accuracy to good pellets but carries energy better, obviously. One thing I noticed through my unregulated S400 is that the ZAN 13's were shifting POI up and down through the course of a fill, at 50 metres. I presume due to the variation in pressure but more work needed to be conclusive. Nice work my dude, thanks for the info
@bodgerpete1
@bodgerpete1 8 месяцев назад
That was a brilliant test, thank you. I have the AA Tactical in .177 sub 12ftlb so will give them a go👍
@eddienuttall2485
@eddienuttall2485 8 месяцев назад
Good video that G. And nice shooting, R12 was a bit of a revelation!😂😂👍👍
@robertcichon8231
@robertcichon8231 8 месяцев назад
Ha ha great video was interesting and funny loved the camo paint job on the ultra should have gone the whole way and done the stock to looked sick though !!
@cheshirebowman4465
@cheshirebowman4465 8 месяцев назад
Excellent video. No waffling on about crap. Just straight to the point. Top job. Just subscribed. Keep up the great work straight forward facts works every time.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed the video.
@johnhorsfield4361
@johnhorsfield4361 8 месяцев назад
I have an S510 so will give them a go too. The H&N looked pretty good as well.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Just got to try them all. You never know if something will work.
@davechadwick9181
@davechadwick9181 8 месяцев назад
I use mako slugs in my airwolf mct and there brilliant (sub 12,)
@stevebailey2419
@stevebailey2419 8 месяцев назад
Great video Lanc’s very impressive results 👍🇬🇧
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Thanks 👍
@davidcapstick3689
@davidcapstick3689 8 месяцев назад
Great video something different i will definitely be having a go with some slugs should be good on rabbits a little further out
@REDLION0044
@REDLION0044 8 месяцев назад
Another great video, just wish I could get the 30gr Zan's to group in my .25 Maverick without having to invest in a heavy liner.
@chrisfigueroa3361
@chrisfigueroa3361 8 месяцев назад
Awesome video and shooting beautiful air guns you got thanks for sharing be safe buddy 👍
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Thank you Chris
@JamesBrown-dp8ko
@JamesBrown-dp8ko 8 месяцев назад
Those results were a bit of an eye-opener! It would have been interesting to compare the results with normal ammunition, ie pellets.
@bradanderson1627
@bradanderson1627 8 месяцев назад
I like using a strip of 10 paper caps for a cap gun they give a nice little puff of smoke when hit. And they are much cheaper 😊 Nice shooting kid see ya next one thanks.
@moonbear6220
@moonbear6220 8 месяцев назад
snyper cat/cubbly cat. used to shoot and break plates at 200yrds with a hw100k under 12flbs with AA pellets. someone didnt believe her and sent the police round. they checked her guns and all were around the 11.5ftlbs range...
@casperboo5465
@casperboo5465 8 месяцев назад
How do mate to be honest im not a lover of slugs in a sub 12 rifle, but after watching this lets say its defiantly gave me food for thought , and re-think about them, humm Cheers mate and thanks for sharing 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
I had the same thoughts as you before the test and decided that people would be interested in seeing the results. For the distances I shoot with sub 12 I'm sticking with pellets but if you want to push further slugs may be the answer.
@casperboo5465
@casperboo5465 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrol Yea my usual distances are any where between lets say 25 - to 45 yards, but i found it interesting, and great watch mate Cheers
@backyardmechanic921
@backyardmechanic921 8 месяцев назад
I've been casting my own slugs for years and they kill well enough if you hold the gun straight.
@RobertHowe-ti7tu
@RobertHowe-ti7tu 8 месяцев назад
Quality shooting
@janicebarker4361
@janicebarker4361 8 месяцев назад
Great shooting as always
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Thanks Janice 👍
@alanmullock381
@alanmullock381 8 месяцев назад
Good test mate,always worth a try in most sub 12s
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Absolutely
@andydowden8117
@andydowden8117 7 месяцев назад
Wow just wow 😮
@motorosso3349
@motorosso3349 8 месяцев назад
I would like to see the results with .22 using higher power rifles. My old Crosman Venom (break-barrel) will shoot 18gr. slugs at 700 ft/sec on my chrono (19.6 ft-lbs.).
@AntonyLD
@AntonyLD 8 месяцев назад
Important video. Most sub 12 owners shy away from slugs having been told they will get jammed. Have to say, the R12??? BSA knew about this issue with even pellets getting into the action within weeks of its launch!!
@Andyb2379
@Andyb2379 8 месяцев назад
I have a AA S410k I brought in 2003. It had a new air cylinder about 5 years ago as I’ve used it all conditions. Paired with the AA hunter pellets it still shoots incredibly well. So much so I’ve never brought a newer gun. Great shooting
@POINTSOFAIMcheekyscouser
@POINTSOFAIMcheekyscouser 6 месяцев назад
That was a good bit testing..👍
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 6 месяцев назад
Thanks 👍
@andydowden8117
@andydowden8117 8 месяцев назад
Wow just wow I’m getting Zan 13 g now😮
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
In an Ultra 😂😂
@sonan7216
@sonan7216 8 месяцев назад
Very interesting, thanks
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@markhomer5704
@markhomer5704 8 месяцев назад
Interesting stuff , I enjoyed that a lot ..
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Awesome, thank you!
@garymurray5361
@garymurray5361 8 месяцев назад
Good video 👍. Thanks. Definitely worth a sub.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for the sub Gary.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for the sub Gary.
@garymurray5361
@garymurray5361 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrol I'm a Bulgarian subscriber.😉 Good channel, well done 👍.
@darrenthomson1930
@darrenthomson1930 7 месяцев назад
interesting, useful video
@johndanville6643
@johndanville6643 8 месяцев назад
Liked that so much I have subscribed, and saved this wow what a surprise
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Awesome! Thank you!
@bodge6886
@bodge6886 8 месяцев назад
I have an S510 with PAO sight also a Rutger in 1.77 I prefer the S510 all day long and having seen how your guns struggled to be constantly accurate I will stick with Diablo Field.
@derekedgley5074
@derekedgley5074 8 месяцев назад
An excellent and informative empirical analysis and test video. I wonder if any of those slugs would work in a springer? Personally amazed at the 100yd accuracy achieved, which many centre fires would find hard to surpass.
@malc1730
@malc1730 8 месяцев назад
great video tried the zan 10 grainers through my hw100 grouped great but the power was under 10 ft pounds so didn't bother after that did you chrony them?
@paperballandpentube
@paperballandpentube 8 месяцев назад
Great shooting, very honest video. What did you have holdover at 100 yrds? Cheers.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
I dialled on the scope. No idea what it was sorry, but it was a lot 😂
@sautoter411
@sautoter411 8 месяцев назад
Lube your zan slugs with imperial aizing sie wax,, thorough barrel clean and ab 30 fouling shots, uses them since they came out in fac 25 and 30 cal uragans and v3
@martolhunts1426
@martolhunts1426 8 месяцев назад
I tried the Zan 10gr and 13gr in my Vulcan 2 the other day, 13gr did better than the 10gr but wasn't great. Got my ultra and redwolf to try them in too
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
All about testing testing testing...
@martolhunts1426
@martolhunts1426 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrol Absolutely. I've got so many tins of pellets and slugs to try in everything.
@tyke3084
@tyke3084 8 месяцев назад
Any thoughts on which slugs would go through the hw100 well? Maybe a vid for another day.
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Just got to test test test unfortunately. Same rifle can yield different results.
@jimkerr9921
@jimkerr9921 8 месяцев назад
I have the BSA R12 clx pro in . 22 I use JSB exact jumbo 15. 89 gr I can honestly say it an awsome gun can hit great groups at 50yds
@flamintasty
@flamintasty 8 месяцев назад
Found your channels the other day, subbed then started binge watching. Liked them and even commented on a few, usually when I’m replying to one the bell ends who don’t understand why vermin needs to be controlled. Anyway, big fan, love your work, nice shooting 👍 😂
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Glad to hear you’re bingeing my channel 😂👍 you get haters all the time on these types of channels, you’ll never change their mind unfortunately.
@flamintasty
@flamintasty 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrolYeah I know, a few of them used to appear on Si and Davy’s Vermin Hunters TV channel. Probably a sad little lycra clad vegan cyclist suffering from anaemia 😂
@josephhough3208
@josephhough3208 8 месяцев назад
Excellent video, did you adjust your scope for 100 yard test? If so how many clicks did need for the addition distance, I have seen other footage stating they travel a lot faster. Many thanks Joe
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Yes I dialled in for that range. How many clicks? Too many 😂 no idea.
@user-gr6mn9zh8z
@user-gr6mn9zh8z 8 месяцев назад
did you try them in the chrono. do you know if the rifles have choked barrels. cheers
@villaman2261
@villaman2261 8 месяцев назад
Have you put them over coronagraph, always found they give a lower ftlbs in sub 12
@Marcus_Shaw
@Marcus_Shaw 8 месяцев назад
Great shooting! 👍 Would you be able to tell me the twist rate of your BSA Ultra SE please? Tried the ZAN 10gr in my HW100KT, 310mm barrel 1:16.34 twist, they grouped OK at 20 yards, within 0.5", but I had a major issue with them falling out of the standard magazines and jamming it, so it would be single shot loader only unless I can think of a different way of holding them in the magazine. The other issue is they measured about 1ft/lb low vs Bisley Magnum 10.65gr Did you Chrony those slugs at all please?
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Unfortunately I've no idea of the twist rate. As for chrono readings I didn't bother just because there was that many.
@jakobiller
@jakobiller 8 месяцев назад
Ultra's have 1:17 twist rate.
@Marcus_Shaw
@Marcus_Shaw 8 месяцев назад
@@jakobiller Thanks bud 👍 So same as the S510. When I tested the ZAN 10gr in my KT they measured 689fps = 10.5fpe and were right on the point of rotational stability / instability. The app recommended a 1:12 twist rate, but another 40fps would have also made a huge difference as it was it was right in that knife edge and a gust of wing sent them key holing. If I try then again I'll give the bore a light polish too. 👍
@andydowden8117
@andydowden8117 7 месяцев назад
Just tried those Zan 13 g down at my shooting range using my brk ghost .177 and I’m super super stoked I done 3 card targets at 50 yds outdoors bullseyes 20 mm and I punched the middle out of everyone 6 shots per target not a single miss I zeroed of target of course but omg I’m super stoked
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 7 месяцев назад
Glad to hear it.
@mikefinn38
@mikefinn38 8 месяцев назад
Good vid what is the metal tgt frame you’re using ?
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
I honestly can’t remember what it’s called.
@mikefinn38
@mikefinn38 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrol any idea where it was bought ?
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
I’ve tried having a look to try and remember but unfortunately I really can’t remember. Which is a shame because it’s a Brilliant target holder. It’s holding up a sheet of aluminium in the video.
@opportunisticangler9281
@opportunisticangler9281 8 месяцев назад
Hmm i wonder if my s410 and maverick will like the zan 13 grains
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
You’ll never know until you try them.
@opportunisticangler9281
@opportunisticangler9281 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrol they both hate the jsb ko
@christopherdean1326
@christopherdean1326 8 месяцев назад
They seem very light for "slugs", not sure what the advantage is over "pellets" tbh...
@Amack1966
@Amack1966 8 месяцев назад
Think I might give slugs a go? What mod do you have on the ultra?
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
It is a standard Weihrauch silencer.
@Amack1966
@Amack1966 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrol thanks mate. I have the ultra CLX and it sounds a bit tinny
@martyn6792
@martyn6792 7 месяцев назад
Out of interest, did you clean the barrels before shooting slugs ?
@crf150rkid
@crf150rkid 8 месяцев назад
Ive tried the zan 10gr in the cz barrel katran, didnt like them at all, the ph 10gr were better but still no where as good as a qys strealined 9.5gr pellets
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
You never know until you try them 👍
@user-yt2vz5mu1f
@user-yt2vz5mu1f 8 месяцев назад
Where did you get the custom paint done?
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
facebook.com/liquidsteeldesigns
@user-yt2vz5mu1f
@user-yt2vz5mu1f 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrolcheers mate
@villaman2261
@villaman2261 8 месяцев назад
Why didn’t you shoot H&N slugs at 100 yards with the s510 when the H&N had the best group at 40 yards ?
@jonboy1309
@jonboy1309 8 месяцев назад
Hi mate,I live in lancaster,is there anyone local that you can put me onto that does the custom painting please??, I’m after a gun doing similar to yours,cheers
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Geoff at Liquid Steel Designs. You can find him on Facebook.
@jonboy1309
@jonboy1309 8 месяцев назад
@@lancsvermincontrol nice one thanks,I have a couple of farm permissions in the lancaster area if you are interested in coming up let me know and we can organise something Thanks John
@murdoch451
@murdoch451 8 месяцев назад
Was that Loftys ultra?
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Yes, which I sold him a few years ago 🤬
@stevebrace7397
@stevebrace7397 5 месяцев назад
my Pulsar was better with the Zan 10g but same results Zan 13g second
@BernyAV
@BernyAV 8 месяцев назад
What is an AA S510 "US"?
@martincook3459
@martincook3459 8 месяцев назад
Ultimate Sporter.
@BernyAV
@BernyAV 8 месяцев назад
@@martincook3459 Oh, OK. Stupid of me to miss that one. Thank you sir.
@peterprice5896
@peterprice5896 8 месяцев назад
Slugs aren’t really made for sub 12ftlbs to many contact points too much friction. It always amazes me why people try different stuff when there are tried and tested pellets for all those rifles 🙄
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
There is always room for improvement, ALWAYS. That’s why companies continue to research and develop. Slugs were awful several years ago but they have improved vastly. In sub 12 yes I would probably stick with pellets but at that distance even in sub 12 that slug is more than likely more accurate than a pellet, and will probably get better in the next few years. Pellets have probably reached their full potential due to the shape, don’t be scared of change!
@Farmer6491
@Farmer6491 8 месяцев назад
That’s why you don’t buy the newer bsa rifles absolutely ass 😵‍💫🤣
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
But it does shoot pellets really well.
@daniellewis5413
@daniellewis5413 8 месяцев назад
Can hunt at that distance !!! Not with 100% know that's where its going !! And just coz that BSA or air ams like slugs don't mean they all will !!
@lancsvermincontrol
@lancsvermincontrol 8 месяцев назад
Which is why you need to try them all yourself.
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