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EXPLOSIVELY FORMED PENETRATOR SIMULATION | EFP Shaped Charge Armour Piercing Simulation 

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An Explosively Formed Penetrator (EFP) is a type of shaped charge where the liner is formed into a high velocity slug, rather than a hyper velocity jet (which most shaped charges are). EFPs are infamous for their effectiveness as IEDs, which were used with great effect in the Iraq War.
The simulation presents a large, simple EFP, against 75mm of Rolled Homogenous Armour (RHA) at 800mm (4 Charge Diameters) of standoff. The EFP modelled is 200mm wide, 200mm deep, with a 8mm thick copper liner, and TNT explosive filler. The detonation point is at the back centre of the charge. In the simulation, the slug reaches a velocity of ~1500m/s. The formation and velocity of the EFP is in decent agreement with experimental data of similar EFP designs.
There are a variety of ways to simulate EFPs, with most modelling the liner as a Eulerian body, due to the large amounts of deformation. However, as the EFP slug takes a large distance to form and is relatively thin, the Eulerian domain would need to be very long and with a fine mesh, resulting in an exceptionally large amount of cells and a slow simulation.
Due to this, I chose to test if a Lagrangian liner would be suitable, with the results being surprisingly promising. The copper liner is made of 3D elements with a strain failure limit (this strain limit should be higher, however these excessively strained elements reduce the time increment and slow down the simulation so a compromise was made -this is why some of the material in the tail 'breaks' and converts to particles). A sheet body could be used for the liner as well, but this wouldn't be as visually impressive, especially in a crossection view.

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@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations Год назад
This was a test simulation I did before going on holiday but am keen to do another, higher fidelity EFP simulation against a more specific target. Does anyone have any target suggestions?
@tdpro3607
@tdpro3607 Год назад
an efp hitting t-80 ish roof (with cages if you have the time)
@aseortoalgoritmo7002
@aseortoalgoritmo7002 Год назад
Can you do this against T-80 side armour ?
@nickrowan
@nickrowan Год назад
Maybe a simulation against Cope cages?
@Tomartyr
@Tomartyr Год назад
Not a target suggestion but doing a simulation of the different k-charge modes would be cool
@vincentsponziello1510
@vincentsponziello1510 Год назад
i would be curious how it fares against ERA
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
You can electroform copper onto the bottom of a monster can or spray paint can for a pretty effective small EFP that can penetrate light armor.
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations Год назад
Quite a few people are mentioning similar things and I've somehow never heard of them...
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@@SYsimulations it's a little freaky how easy it is to make such powerful weapons.
@SleepySkull1
@SleepySkull1 Год назад
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 Copper coins inside a wine bottle and then packed with explosive. Spoiler : It Works.
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@@SleepySkull1 it does, but not nearly as well as a consistent thickness liner that covers the whole end of the charge.
@SleepySkull1
@SleepySkull1 Год назад
​@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 no crap, This the most ghetto thing you can do to punch a tiny hole in something.
@huntsman12able
@huntsman12able Год назад
This was the main type of IED my unit faced in Iraq 2007-2008. They were terrifying. We had one go off on a RG33L Mrap that we were told was 18" in diameter and it went straight through the engine block of the vehicle and through an over pass support column and kept going. thankfully it was aimed wrong so no one was badly hurt. We had another one go off but missed the vehicle add hit a house on the far side. I'm not kidding when i say you could kneel down and look through the hole it made in the house add see into 4 more houses because the projectile went through them like a cannonball
@999Evandro
@999Evandro Год назад
Thanks for the great story!
@skullofserpent5727
@skullofserpent5727 10 месяцев назад
Wasiti province? We were stationed at delta. Jam insurgents were masters at ied. Lost my friend to efp attack.
@huntsman12able
@huntsman12able 10 месяцев назад
no we were in the Baghdad area near FOB Justice. Sorry about your friend, the only KIA in my squad was from an EFP too @@skullofserpent5727
@ZigaZagu
@ZigaZagu 8 месяцев назад
That's awesome
@Wordbird69
@Wordbird69 5 месяцев назад
Insurgents? You mean freedom fighters.
@user-dt9wd2do1x
@user-dt9wd2do1x 5 месяцев назад
merkava's nightmare
@typical_tupolev3924
@typical_tupolev3924 15 дней назад
lmao no
@resurgam_b7
@resurgam_b7 Год назад
That's neat! I didn't know there was differentiation between varieties of shaped charge penetrators, I figured they were all similar enough to be called EFPs.
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations Год назад
The naming convention of shaped charges isn't great, but yeah, an EFP tends to refer to the slug type
@DreadX10
@DreadX10 Год назад
@@SYsimulations Yes, when studying this in the 90's, it was explained as the shaped charge focusses on the jet and an EFP focusses on the slug. We were taught that you would go for a shaped charge if you could control the stand-off distance and you would go for an EFP when you weren't sure of being able to get the right stand-off distance. Remembering the face of my colleague who was trying to model this in Autodyn in 1997/98, it was an exercise in frustration to get it right (modelling it). If I remember correctly, it was a small margin between 'explosively launching a deformed plate' towards the target and 'getting a jet launched' at the target. The bit in between where the EFP lives, was hard to find.
@GeneralCalculus
@GeneralCalculus Год назад
I was going to say that strongest form of EFP is hypothetical Casaba Howitzer, which uses hydrogen bomb to propel liner made of tungsten, but then I wasn't sure if it actually counts as "projectile" if tungsten turns into stream of plasma.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
If it is plasma then it is not efp.
@alfonsedente9679
@alfonsedente9679 10 месяцев назад
Its not real, and stupid
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 8 месяцев назад
@@jintsuubest9331 Then it's an "explosively formed plasma" :)
@S300V
@S300V Год назад
In anti-ship missiles the shaped charge is this (efp) not heat. This is one of the main resons why battleships went out of use and not aircraft carriers as many think. The soviets had no carriers in the 50s and 60s, but built several missile types with efp warheads (500-1000kg). These would go through thickest battleship armour and would still cause massive destruction inside... unlike heat.
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations Год назад
Thanks! That's interesting to know and makes sense, would you mind elaborating on the "battleships went out of use and not aircraft carriers" statement as I'm not sure how that links to the EFP missiles?
@S300V
@S300V Год назад
@@SYsimulations I m sorry there. Left out "because of". In various books and documentaries the downfall of the battleship was mainly atributed to the increasing use of aircraft carriers. However battleships werent retired after ww2, many went on to serve into the late 50 s. The main enemy in the cold war was the USSR that had no carriers until the 70s, but had powerful anti-ship missiles with efp warheads developed by the mid 50s. So this may be the more important cause.
@getsideways7257
@getsideways7257 8 месяцев назад
@@S300V I highly doubt there is a need for ANY explosives at all, given the sheer mass of those things and their terminal velocity... Maybe a great idea for one of the next videos?
@S300V
@S300V 8 месяцев назад
@@getsideways7257 The 15-16 inch gun shells had similar mass and often failed to penetrate battleship armour... So yes the missiles needed warhead and the EFP type warhead allowed lighter ones to be used for the same destructive power.
@gdebouillon
@gdebouillon 7 месяцев назад
Who else is here after the last H4mas video?
@timtarbet4594
@timtarbet4594 Год назад
Really like the addition of the explanation and the voice over. Very nice.
@TheAllKnowNoble
@TheAllKnowNoble Год назад
I’ve never heard of these. Great video, very informative
@AnthraciteGari
@AnthraciteGari Год назад
it'd be interesting to see if a wave shaper could improve the performance of one of these, i see a lot of material getting blown away from the main projectils
@andrewmalcolm3209
@andrewmalcolm3209 Год назад
I have a request that I thought of a while ago that I think would be interesting. What about a big 1800s cannon vs a modern tank? Obviously the cannon will have no chance but it'd be interesting to see what it'd actually do. I don't know enough to say what type, but those really big ones you often see on display in parks or on the coast. You could just about fit your leg down the barrel. A good example is in centennial park in Sydney, Australia.
@tdpro3607
@tdpro3607 Год назад
like the 100 ton gun?
@andrewmalcolm3209
@andrewmalcolm3209 Год назад
@@tdpro3607 I meant more like a 68-pounder gun, but anything like that would be really interesting to see.
@tommeakin1732
@tommeakin1732 Год назад
Apparently the ones in centennial park are 36 pdrs, and that kind of shot weight was pretty common for heavy guns. Just to give a reference point, 36lbs is about 16kg, which is in the kind of area of many rounds of roughly 4inch (102mm) calibre from the ww2 era - but the age-of-sail shells are obviously going to move a lot slower, and encounter a lot more resistance due to their spherical shot. Their muzzle energy will be exceeded by much lighter, smaller guns, but their shot will still have a fair amount of momentum
@ToxicJelly9
@ToxicJelly9 Год назад
This sounds like a fun one to see
@lunam7249
@lunam7249 7 месяцев назад
works,but not mobile, bullets expensive, heavy, cost ineffective
@nikitatarsov5172
@nikitatarsov5172 Год назад
For the distance it fuses and minimise its shape & vulnerability (and creating lots of forces that can blind sensors) many modern active protection systems can be bypassed by range fused EFP's, granting them a niche even in the most modern battlefields. Tbh i support that conflict got so complex and more and more the smarter competitor has an edge (if tools for benefitting are availabel).
@andrewmalcolm3209
@andrewmalcolm3209 Год назад
This one's super cool
@ClassicDOOM
@ClassicDOOM Год назад
Very cool.
@Nighthawke70
@Nighthawke70 4 месяца назад
I recall a project that involved a 24" or 32" EFP assembly mounted on a quadrunner, complete with targeting and fire control. The project was called FIRE ANT. And it stung like one too.
@shatunyra
@shatunyra 5 месяцев назад
good job!
@aaronclair4489
@aaronclair4489 Год назад
This is very cool. I've recently been wondering about EFP vs perforated spaced armor. It might be interesting to see this test repeated, with 10mm of RHA, an air gap, and then 65mm of RHA.
@TheOpticalFreak
@TheOpticalFreak Год назад
Damn that is so crazy! 😮 It's a friggin liquid copper rocket!! 🚀
@Hookens
@Hookens Год назад
Oh, so that's how TOW-2B works. Cool!
@BIG-DIPPER-56
@BIG-DIPPER-56 2 месяца назад
Excellent 😎👍
@terminatoratrimoden1319
@terminatoratrimoden1319 Год назад
S-tier content
@ozzymarley1010
@ozzymarley1010 10 месяцев назад
I came here from a video about a man who lost his arms and legs to a EFP but the hot copper burned him in such a way he did not bleed and he survived... now he has 2 transplant arms! crazy world.
@PlutoTheSynth
@PlutoTheSynth Год назад
I love the voice over!! Great job!! :DD
@mazack00
@mazack00 Год назад
The shape the copper took on was crazy
@Sh-epard
@Sh-epard Год назад
So, TOW-2B sim next (or in the near future of the channel content)? But even with this, the sim is quite informative about EFP and how much dangerous are.
@ilovecombatarms99
@ilovecombatarms99 Год назад
I don’t usually comment but I really like your content! Have you seen the recent news about the “Titan” submersible? Do you think you could do a simulation of an implosion happening based on the material that the submersible is built out of or allegedly built out of? Would be an interesting branch out!
@Bollibompa
@Bollibompa 8 месяцев назад
Have you seen Ronald Wagner's attempts?
@softerseltzer
@softerseltzer Год назад
Can you simulate this scaled down to a size of 9mm ammo, so a regular casing but with copper liner instead of a bullet and TNT instead of gunpowder? Chambered into something that would not blow up.
@RTankist
@RTankist Год назад
I'd like to see a comparison between the M829A3 and a 3BM59 against the 800mm RHA
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
Schematic?
@user-jm9ou5xk8l
@user-jm9ou5xk8l 10 месяцев назад
I wonder what are you using for making these sims...
@red2a792
@red2a792 Год назад
YOU HAVE A VOICE
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations Год назад
The AI does ;)
@howardblumenkopf7872
@howardblumenkopf7872 Год назад
@@SYsimulations I think it does add to it.
@siaratan9982
@siaratan9982 11 месяцев назад
Now do nuclear efp against a spaceship :D
@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69
@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69 Год назад
this is what an Nlaw/Tow II shoot down in their top attack. The missile flys over and launchs a projectile down wards
@PatGarrett1
@PatGarrett1 3 месяца назад
Did you use the in software TNT? Or is it a custom material off discord
@ryanjosephatienza1201
@ryanjosephatienza1201 Год назад
Can you make some simulation of panzer granate 38 H.L./C, just curious how this hollow charge tank shell really works
@antimatter4733
@antimatter4733 11 месяцев назад
How about the tow2b vs kontakt 5 era on top of the roof of a t72?
@ZigaZagu
@ZigaZagu 8 месяцев назад
75mm of armor is no joke
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 2 месяца назад
There's an effect upon the jet stacking up on the surface that Thunderf00t actually goes over in his video about water intrusion into the mini-sub being limited to about mach1 in spite of the immense pressure. So the jets aren't actually jets they're a plasmiated form of oobleck that then turns solid at the surface of contact resulting in a non-elastic application of a large proportion of the energy. The thing with these explosive charges is they're also velocity dependent for efficacy. Take for example the 25mm high explosive shells fired by the M242 Bushmaster, they have a different cone angle from the 30mm shells fired by the chain gun used by the Apache helicopter because the M242 fires them at near-on 1150m/s whereas the ASP is designed for 825m/s and it does make a difference to have the correct cone angle. Furthermore the animation you had in this video doesn't take into account the relatively rapid circulation out from the tip of the jet which works like a plasma lance.
@edi9892
@edi9892 Год назад
I wonder what influence a backplate would make. Think of a Claymore...
@jacksmith7726
@jacksmith7726 7 месяцев назад
Are these ones that are easily stooped by perspex?
@CasualtyGaming
@CasualtyGaming 5 месяцев назад
The Terminal List brought me here.
@ivan5595
@ivan5595 Год назад
How would the explosion gas affect the damage of the EFP? like would it enter the hole? or is it simply a really large "bullet" with only fragmentation/spalling as secondary damage?
@Bollibompa
@Bollibompa 8 месяцев назад
Most often, for anti-tank projectiles, the penetration of the shaped charge slug or jet is created to allow entry of the main payload.
@pedrofranciscomoralesriver6470
Observo un desperdicio de energia inicial al salir de del cañón o tubo expulsor del arma que dispara el explosivo penetrador, si esa energía que se irradia y expande en la boca del tubo se concentrará para volverla lineal, mediante un adaptador en la boca del tubo expulsor con dispositivos electromagnetico que impidan esa dispersión de energía el penetrador desintegraría el objetivo.
@jangschoen1019
@jangschoen1019 Год назад
Heard that a monster can can be used to make one.
@feranguiano4540
@feranguiano4540 Месяц назад
Disculpen cual es la diferencia entre el EFP Y el HEAT ?¿
@KianaRYN
@KianaRYN Год назад
Simulation like this using Explicit dynamic or something else ?
@rbenzio
@rbenzio 2 месяца назад
What software is used for this simulation and analysis?
@laminat0996
@laminat0996 Год назад
Can you simulate TM-72 landmine
@petertwiss356
@petertwiss356 Месяц назад
Why is copper used? I always foo d this fascinating
@wacojones8062
@wacojones8062 2 месяца назад
Look up Dart anti-tank Guided Missile system warhead 1/2 thick aluminum hemisphere approx. 6" in diameter with a high velocity charge of HE able to drive it through the bow on a T54/55 with the aluminum turning into vapor on penetration which then would ignite inside the vehicle good warhead bad guidance package very hard to control.
@jonathanwilbertleonardo4790
is that A Disney Sardin effect, it's look similar
@IsntPhoenix
@IsntPhoenix 6 дней назад
Surely im not the only one who missread "EFP
@Biketunerfy
@Biketunerfy 2 месяца назад
A conical (cone) EFP has a minimum stand off distance because the cone is collapsed in on its self and turned inside out on its self from the tip if the cone leading out to the edges and there is a distance that the cone needs to turn inside out on its self to form the jet moving at over 22,000 MPH. It’s super hyper sonic this jet is moving so fast it does not even notice the steel in front of it (unless it’s a meter thick or has special armour and it travels into the tank that creates an over pressure that collapses all the hollow cavities in your body from your lungs, bowels and ears and brain cavity in a millionth of a second, this also causes the air in the tank to become super heated in a split second and causes anything combustible to burst into flames, also the copper fragments and causes shrapnel wounds. This type of explosive lens in this video is not as dangerous as the cone shaped warheads and it does not travel as fast as cone shaped EFPs but still very deadly if it breaches the armour.
@WildBillCox13
@WildBillCox13 Год назад
I wonder if they use copper because of its easy malleability. That might suggest a more even expansion, less fragmenting, and an altogether more predictable result.
@erlgunslinger7344
@erlgunslinger7344 4 месяца назад
Copper is used because it’s ductile, shapes in a uniform and expected way. It is also cheaper than some alternatives, although there are exotic metals which have penetration potential of twice what copper has.
@moulichandumouli137
@moulichandumouli137 7 месяцев назад
Please make a video regarding this simulation brother
@seldanor6481
@seldanor6481 21 день назад
What would happen if we swap the metal of the penetrator with things like gold, spring steel, aluminium?
@greensoplenty6809
@greensoplenty6809 2 месяца назад
so is it just the speed that does it or liquid metal vs metal have some special effect? im guessing its more to create the penetrating shape...just saw a guy on discovery use a wine bottle and just the glass
@ChristianTheNorwegian
@ChristianTheNorwegian Год назад
Crisp Rat made one of those...
@abzzeus
@abzzeus Год назад
Top armour on tanks will way more vulnerable to this attack - there was a proposal to use multiple EFP "bomblets" autonomously against massed armour but I think it got cancelled
@deathdragon2283
@deathdragon2283 Год назад
The bonus artillery shell carry’s 2 such bombletts, and the US does have a bomb that has something like 40 but I can’t remember the name of it
@jacksmith7726
@jacksmith7726 7 месяцев назад
There's a shell with 3 I think and they guide themselves towards things they think look tank like
@Shitballs69420
@Shitballs69420 Год назад
Noice 👌
@fasted8468
@fasted8468 2 месяца назад
What if it hit ice or water and the steam reacted to blast the jet into many pieces.
@ixb1
@ixb1 Год назад
Can you make steel slug?
@Bialy_1
@Bialy_1 Год назад
-10% penetration power...
@anonymouspersonthefake
@anonymouspersonthefake 2 месяца назад
teardrop of DOOM!
@Kopaska_Petrov
@Kopaska_Petrov Год назад
😮
@GraemeWight-wx3xz
@GraemeWight-wx3xz 10 месяцев назад
What if the cone is made from DU ? They surely have tested this ? A Pb one even. I wonder.
@OngoGablogian185
@OngoGablogian185 5 месяцев назад
The cone needs to be made of a soft metal like copper in order for it to be malleable enough to invert.
@GraemeWight-wx3xz
@GraemeWight-wx3xz 5 месяцев назад
@@OngoGablogian185 : last i ckecked Pb ( lead ) is sone super malleable shit. As for the DU (depleted Uranium) if it itself were doped with sufficient Pb it also could be made malleable. One could also negate an alloy altogether by fine matrix particulute slurry of 400 mesh DU granules and an appropriate metaloid polyner/epoxy. Newtons laws state : 0.5 x M x meters p/s gives impact force. Uranium being at 238 nucleans to coppers 68 mean Uranium is 3.5 times the mass. If an shaped charged could be made of such material is would have superior depth penetration compared to conventional EFPs.
@OngoGablogian185
@OngoGablogian185 5 месяцев назад
@@GraemeWight-wx3xz Fair enough. You obviously know a lot more about this. With what you've stated, though, they surely must have tested it. The R&D budgets for this must be unimaginable. There's probably some really interesting research papers published somewhere.
@dispatcher22z20
@dispatcher22z20 Год назад
CAN I PLEASE GET THE GERMAN HELMAT WITH SLAPP PLATE BEING SHOT FROM WW1 PLEASE
@Ghost0r0r
@Ghost0r0r Год назад
Can anybody name one or two current examples of systems where this method is used?
@huntsman12able
@huntsman12able Год назад
I believe the germans have an "off-route" mine that they use that sits off the road in cover and detonates when a vehicle drives past. I think they are currently being used in Ukraine
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
Tow2b Bonus
@gian.4388
@gian.4388 Год назад
The Pzh2000 has an ammunition that opens up mid flight above the enemy tanks and drops an EFP charge with a small chute, while descending, sensors search for any nearby tanks and when they find them they shoot the EFP down onto them (weak upper armor plates means it goes through most times) There's even some drone footage from Ukraine where you can see it in action against Rus tanks
@lareys
@lareys Год назад
Engineering charges. For example soviet/russian anti-bunker charge KZ-4. Recently there was a video from one guy who used this charge to penetrate side armor of the tank
@Greeev
@Greeev Год назад
SLAM mines use EFPs.
@Andrecio64
@Andrecio64 7 месяцев назад
liquid bullet
@DupDoop
@DupDoop Год назад
isnt this what tow2bs and BILL atgms use?
@bighobo7745
@bighobo7745 Год назад
Yes, and at least the TOW-2B has two charges per missile.
@polduran
@polduran Год назад
There are better materials than Copper for EFPs
@OngoGablogian185
@OngoGablogian185 5 месяцев назад
Like?
@polduran
@polduran 5 месяцев назад
@@OngoGablogian185 tantalum
@meskalin64
@meskalin64 Год назад
Will EFP ignite ammo inside a tank? Is this tank hit with EFP? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oSMSTJy5tuk.html
@ThatZenoGuy
@ThatZenoGuy Год назад
Any high energy kinetic impact makes heated fragments which can detonate ammo.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
Will explosive goes boom if you fire 9mm at it?
@MikeHunt-rw4gf
@MikeHunt-rw4gf Год назад
algorithm
@burnem2166
@burnem2166 22 дня назад
Chowaz🇵🇸 🥷🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔻
@danners4302
@danners4302 Год назад
I’m sorry, but the robotic voice just destroys the video for me…
@vaahtobileet
@vaahtobileet Год назад
You can just mute it and the experience will be the same as his previous videos. Logics.
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