Last time little sirpugger aka William tried stealing credit for my work he found out the hard way what happens, now he avoids rs3 like a good little boy
4:39 I can see the reason behind this one being that the intervention machine only disassembles 60 items per hour, the same amount that we can do in a sheer 72 seconds.
Don't forget about the Bots that are doing 2k Zamorak Enrage, there was a streamer couple months back showcasing this. Love the idea of bringing more people in to beware of this type of stuff including selling IFB titles (since around 2017) , Slayer collection logs / clue grinds for HCIM & IM for EOF's / collecting secondary herblore ingredients / ect.
I don't think Jagex wants to admit how many bots infest osrs and rs3. I think it's potentially 50%, not sure how to trust posted numbers, add the Bot detector plugin on RL and it's depressing.
@@6XburnXyourXfriendsX not really tho, they have stated that they are aware of bots and know how much of the playerbase are bots and even stated percentages and how many are banned each day/month. they cant ban all bots instantly because that would just crash the economy mainly because bots basically sustain the whole playerbase with resources, thats why with every update jagex does some minor coding changes that crashes bots and basically inconvenience them and make them rewrite the script (basically thats the reason why you see so many bots walking in circles and shit or doing something completely random after a game update). the statement you are talking about didnt even come from Jagex themselves and they stated that that statement is just straight up false
It's really simple from the Jagex side. People create bot accounts and these accounts need membership - more accounts - more money to Jagex. Simple math....
This is exactly why they will never “deal” with fixing botting. Its so very obvious they try to make us think they want them gone when in reality they do not.
Stoner logic i swear. The average player isn't running a botfarm and is just abusing public scripts therefor isn't spending any more than a normal player in terms of membership. To say Jagex allows the bots to line their pockets shows how little people know about the struggle of the anti-cheat team.
I certainly won't lie: the temptation to bot on my main was, and still is, overwhelming ever since I was an 11-year-old skipping homework and studying to "play" RuneScape (sit at a screen and alch for 5 hours or WC yews in the Gnome Stronghold for just as long). I've come close to downloading Powerbot like a few of my friends in school did, but here's the rub: *everyone* I know IRL who botted, and whether it was their main or an alt, those accounts got *banned.* I am quite literally the *only* person in my *entire* circle of friends (IRL and online) who still has the original account he made when he was a fucking preteen. That's a SOBERING fucking realisation to have. Imagine all those years of progress flushed down the drain because you were too lazy to git gud. It's a pretty fucking strong deterrent to an intrepid preteen turned teenager turned adult when you know damn well just how many people got banned for botting, how fucking stupid the shit they got banned for was, and how attached I am to my main from 2007 that I have damn near max stats on after like what, 17 years of playing?
I get the same feeling especially after watching a few botting to max series on youtube. they lasted for quite some time but they were no lifing the bots so im like hey. if i was to bot and keep it reasonable and not run it 24/7 i might get away with it and seems to be more secure in terms of bot detection since the scripts are being ran in the cloud vs injected. kinda like osrs runelite bots have lower ban detection vs injected bots like dreambot etc. That said i never went with it i spent too much time on my main to risk it again since i had a macro ban(major) ~ a decade ago. i forgot what bot it was but i only used it for a few hours and got slammed lol it was bad. that got appealed. too paranoid to even make a new account on a different computer with its own ip and stuff i don't want any potential crosslap at all. so we are staying legit!
@@shotnothing3419 Nah. That's the ultimate folly. RuneScape has a grindy and addictive gameplay loop, the tedium of which actively creates an incentive for botting. Once you mix addictive gameplay loop with black markets, that's where shit can spiral quickly. Are there people with unaffected accounts who've been botting since the Gower Brothers ran Jagex? I don't doubt the possibility, but I've never once met a "responsible" botter in my entire life.
Now, have I been tempted to set up a bot running clue scrolls or something on a fresh account from a different IP and then "die" to my main in the wildy while skulled with a 6B hat in my inv? Yes. Definitely. I have still fought off the urge, though.
*Lmao... 69% of RUNESCAPE's player base is made up of bots.* 🤫 If Jagex really wanted them gone, they would have "done something." But in reality, Jagex needs them... Bots allow the owner to farm items, Items = $$$ $$$ in-game being sold to RWT sites, Sellers sell GP, Players buy GP, Jagex "catches/ bans" buyers, While the merchants get richer by manipulating items & prices, The economy is then "stabilised," And the cycle repeats. Merchants are happy, Jagex is happy. Thank You. ~ the end ~ *_Source : Thrust me bro_*
As much money as Ive spent on RS3 I should be allowed to bot whenever I fucking want lol. I regularly report someone who is botting in divination but nothing ever happens. You can clearly tell the account is botting. Jagex hasn't done anything about it.
Appreciate the shoutout. But do you really have to mention how botting is so immoral and huge sin, meanwhile rs3 shoves these stupid micro transactions up your ass constantly. They literally sell gold with bonds, so in the case of rs3 no it's not immoral and they lost all rights to cry about RWT they you so blatantly do it themselves. Thanks.
I saw someone with a zuk cape botting the dg arch update. His bot literally was stuck for hours in the same spot. We all reported him. Literally saw him yesterday. No punishment for anyone.
*In the current state of RuneScape 3's economy, us botters are seen as a stabilizing factor. We supply a steady flow of resources, keeping the market active and prices stable. This helps balance out the fluctuations in the lack of player activity and the overall demand. While botting has its downsides, and most of you might not like that I partake in botting, it's ultimately US that help maintain the overall stability of the game's economy. Trust me, you would be surprised..*
@@Eric4bz The steady supply of items from bots actually help prevent extreme price hikes and shortages, making the game more accessible for casual players. Casual players Jagex is desperate for.. While botting isn't a perfect solution and has its downsides, I agree with you. It does contribute to irrefutable market stability. We're always going to be here, moderation is far more profitable to Jagex than elimination.
I was looking for this comment, as I am completely on your side. I'm not a botter myself, I'm just a very averago joe who enjoys to play runescape every now and then. I don't want to grind picking flax, I want affordable bowstrings on the GE. I think nobody wants to grind picking flax anymore. (Just an example of what you're calling a steady flow of skilling supplies)
After Vee's video, I was kinda worried that no content creator was willing to talk about this topic. This is way over the top and I hope jagex is taking this shit seriously
@@6XburnXyourXfriendsXNo one likes bots but they’re honestly needed How many items on the GE would be basically unobtainable or just massively inflated more than it is now? Most bots should be banned but leaving some here and there definitely helps more than it hurts.
@@tylers92 I don't know, I think the "bots keep prices low" argument is a wash; sure, it's true that bots keep things like ores and potions low, but this also means taking those profits away from legitimate players. If those ores, for example, were a decent amount higher, then real players would be far more inclined to actually acquire them through legitimate means.
@@napoleonsrighthand that’s the problem… most players wouldn’t be willing to gather tedious resources certain resources would sky rocket many of the items on the GE aren’t even correct as is rs3 player count is already low and resources leave the game quick some bots are necessary even if we don’t like them 🤷♂️
Bots are needed to maintain rs3 economy and there aint a thing jagex can do about it tbh... Who do you think makes supplies cheap? Its that or jagex directly selling items Although ofc they make bonds prices high due to demand, which is bad... I used to have a botfarm a few years ago(50-60 accs), just realised its more worth my time actually working and buying bonds to fund my main anyway... I do not know which software they are selling/negotiating in particular in rs3 and what im saying is from experience on 2018-2021 id say. Things might have changed, couldnt tell but from what Ive seen in the video its almost the same as it was back then
I used bot for many years, I used all avaiable bots and I've lost many accounts... today I find out its waste of time to start from begining every ban xD I've been clean for 2 years... Today I just put some Weight in my keyboard so that I dont get lougout for idle and my character can do some afk like mining, thieving etc for a while more... xD
Just to be clear, Im nor proud of it, and I really dont recommend anybody to use bots/macros, because Im sure you will have your account banned and become unmotivated... I play this game since I was 11, now im 30 and you know, sometimes we dont have much time and greed ends up speaking louder.... but not worth it to bot guys...
yeah, i watched furyshark's vids too with a morbid fascination. as clearly you did aswell ;). at this point i sadly don't think the game would look anything like it currently does without bots, since i don't see that many players doing all the menial tasks that bots are currently doing (those sorts of people are already playing ironman mode anyway). but who knows, i could be wrong.
I enjoy just messing around on my main with mid level supplies and made good money. Think like lvl70-80 items you can craft, also just straight up god wars dungeon.
The reason you need to disable anticheat is because cheat software interacts with the game in the same way some malware does (using techniques such as code injection or methods to evade detection by the runescape client). It doesn't mean they are doing shady things, and to be honest you don't need to be a genius to write malware that doesn't get detected by AV software anyway.
lol if you think that I have a bridge to sell you. AV is pretty damn good these days and mostly you will exclude stuff for performance based reasons ie might get file locks on network based shares, but a bot client has no reason for this. If a bot client cant operate without it, it is doing something shady, or having the ability to do stuff which is shady
@@checker297 of course it has the *ability* to do something shady. most the shit running on your pc does. injection + read/write memory + function hooking/calling. all the same things malware uses as well as every cheat ever created barring simple macros/pixel bots. a bot client cant operate without it because its the core concept of how most bots(or even non bot cheats) except pixel bots work. i cant tell you how many times ive made a bot/hack for a game and it gets flagged one compile, but not another. particularly defender. defender is awful, constantly flags my own stuff, or stuff that is open source (example: cheat engine) knowing damn well its fine. this is the one that theyre probably wanting you to disable for that exact reason. an actual antimalware/antivirus false flags these types of programs far less then defender.
@@checker297 No, AV will frequently block software based on heuristics which include age, how common software is and what API calls it does. A lot of cheat software is also obfuscated to prevent people from cracking it or to prevent anti-cheat creators from learning how it works, which has a very high false-positive rate with AVs. I've seen it block legitimate software plenty of times, including my own stuff as I compile it.
Meanwhile I watch the video.. Even though this is a "do not use" video and "educational purposes only" video... I do think that a huge number of (new) watchers will try to join these servers. Why? I experienced that the avg RS3 players seems himself as "above average in intelligence" and they might feel that they can either contribute to, gain knowledge from or exchange .... at such platforms. Many people thought botting died and some disagreed. But giving so many (public) information is like the news telling people it's dangerous to sniff catt pee because it can make you h*gh.... people did it more after the news broadcasted than before
Shiiittt!! I did not think botting was anywhere near as high as this video showed. I'm strictly an ironman, so the economy doesnt affect me with all these bot drops, however it is still upsetting to see this game version being heavily botted as well =/
Yea @Jagex. You make legitimate players spend their $ on this game and you let such a botting community to exist. I won't be surprised if these bot devs/scripters/whatever they are called is a department within Jagex And Jagex, if you think my last statement is an insult, prove me/us wrong by clamping down hard on such botters. Honestly, a real shame on such an established / nostalgic game
ty 4 video, great information and hopefully jagex takes actions soon. Maybe make a video about how it is getting popular to see multiple accounts in game like 6-12 alts all moving or activating anything at the same time with ONE click. Seen this start with one player and now there are like 5 players and jagex should stop this before more players decide to join in and brake game rules.
Most bots in any game require you to let it bypass defender. If you think about it if you're botting your letting s program run your computer by itself. Just make sure you trust/good reviews before so. Also they will never "kill" the bots. A lot of people never think about it, but now a days botting commjnities sre what supports a game. How do you think everyone gets sll the consumsbles lol
Oh... but if I use my mobile phone and i click on the same spots to fletch at the bank then im bot busted and banned for micro botting. But this crap is totally fine for Jagex. PFFFT. fckn never touching RS ever again such a waste of life time playing a game thats unrewarding af for normal players but botters and gold buyers get free reign. Absolutely pointless.
Well at least it's not as bad as old school while you can find bots in rs3 they are not so common as in old school where you can't find place without them
i seen a guy botting rasiel on 4 accs with 4 blue phats and max gear/stats. Just sad and makes me wanna leave this game where devs clearly dont care about botting and our achivements.
lmao what did yall think happened in this game? how many times when you are around other playing skilling or killing do they interact at all? this is why the game feels empty all the time even when you are surrounded by many players. it's just a big bot farm
I think Jagex should provide an additional automation skill in the game that can compete with these bots in some capacities. Or more afk ways to gather these resources without it being just a grind/time tax. If someone wants to have a machine supply the GE with resources nobody gives a shit to collect anymore then I'm fine with it. Makes it easier for me to get the supplies I want. I think boss botting is excessive, I get that the goal is farming for gold/rwt. I'm fine if that stays against the rules. But I am curious how GE equipment prices would change if boss afking was more accessible. But the economy already lacks so many items in the GE having a regular supply, and if we can't get new players to help build that supply then let the bots do it so I can get my supplies when I'm playing rather than having to wait for it to settle overnight.
jagex allowing well knowing streamers to use pvm macros also just reforce that "bot is allowed" for those ones that aim easy way to get better than normal tryhard players
MATH DOESN'T LIE just like RuneScape it is mathematically impossible to max all skills do all quests and get 200m in every skill it would take longer then the game exists at 1m to 1.5m xp a day which is about the best you can get it would still take 29 years to 200m everything and that if you had a cheat to start all skills at 99 which is another year of work min so even RWT isn't fast enough without bots witch btw is cheating and on top of that new skills keep getting added we are up to 29 now and quests that's about 2 3 months all the minigames for comp the game is only 23 years old in its current version with high scores yet math proves it takes at last 29 years 1 year to max+ another to 200m each skill undeniable proof the high scores are botted
1:30 usually because injecting code into processes is getting flagged by AVs, because malware does the exact same thing, no point in botting though as skilling macros made with drivers like icue wont get you caught either way.
can you make the next video on bond prices going up 20% in real $. And how many Asian players we are going to lose because of it and all the other issues of that decision, like having to grind 300m every 14 days or else pay over 60 Euro for a year of just purely membership.... That is like over 1k for many Asian countries, when they quit quite a few western and european players will too, and I am sure there will be less players from any region willing to buy bonds. I don't understand Jagex, they are ruining our game, ruining their profits, driving people away, decreasing the player base with stupid decisions. It is so sad to see.
Honestly... without bots. Shit would be prohibitively expensive. Jagex has balance drops around bots and alts and it fucking sucks for normal players. I'm an ironlike player and the amount of grinding I have to do is utterly insane. Yes, I chose to play like this, but also I have enough money to just buy everything I want... then what? Progression is what makes the game fun, but some of the grinds needed to progress need to be looked at
That's why people complain about bots, they want to be able to get billions from every drop in the game and bots keep prices down. What I find funny is people complain about bots while they're using Simple macro's to play the game. 😂
Before I watch the video I wanted to say... thanks! I was a botter in my early teen years (more than 10 years ago!) and I lost a lot of accounts. I made some 'cool woodcutting bot accounts' and was happy until I felt that it didn't really feel like an achievement. Bots are ruining the game currency, selling accounts and hacking people..... do not encourage or support any of those people! It's not worth it and Jagex didn't make the game to be botted.
I'm not sure if you realize or not but making this video just put a spotlight on the botting website.. you showed the script names, I simply googled ************ (script name) and the whole website popped up... So yeah it's good to bring light to this but do it in a way that doesn't advertise their website... I'm not a botter but if I were you just set me up with everything I'd need.
That's good because I'm honestly sick of playing this stupid game I just paid for the bot and it's actually more enjoyable to watch it than actually play
In my personal opinion RuneScape is dying I remember when RuneScape add worlds always full and I couldn't even get on I will play it to the very last day because it's my favorite game
I completely agree. Just today, I stumbled upon a RU-vidr named MN Phantom doing a botting to max series. Maybe you could pass that info along. Thanks for the video!
I think they need to ban the PVM botters because thats just shitty of them to allow that. But, I do see the value in having gathering bots lol. I don't want to pay 60k for a rocktail in the future because the bots are banned..
Bruh… whenever I (rarely) log on these days each world has maximum 100 players online anyway. If they got rid of all the bots, there would be like 10 people playing. Game is officially dead.
Botting is reasonable in a world where jagex sells exp. Runescape was a great experience, but it became jagex cashcow. I can't blame players for trying to skip the artificial grind jagex imposes. Grinding nowadays sounds like "poor people time tax", unlike before wheel of fortune.
@@DrowsyYo OR they can contruct their own moral argument, play how they want, and engage with friends over elements of the game OTHER than the poor people time tax. It's almost like there are more reasons than whatever your reason is to play the game.
Pretty sure Jagex came out and said that they don't care if you bot to an extent. This was the statement I'm referring to. "The main focus within the game is to make sure the excesses of bots are policed and managed. Flagged accounts are managed out of the game, and therefore what is left inside the game is a sort of equilibrium of players and bots... if I have [three accounts] there's a good chance that one of them is me and two accounts are bots... If a player is sufficiently committed to pay for three accounts, and have an account and two bots as part of its ecosystem, then so be it." Yes they ban bots, mostly bot armies. Not really targeting some guy doing crafting in portables world just trying to get 120. I can't even count how many bots I've seen in Ascension Dungeon with 200m range-def-hp. Those guys run forever. Imagine the price of keys if bots aren't there to farm them
Ifff RS3 had a new quest each month, and a new small thing that was gated by the quest, a new gold mine, a new farming patch for herbs, or you know... thoughtful CONTENT... I suppose botting would be less rewarding. I mean, it's not like many RS achievements are just RNG based counting to 10,000 objects or something.
it really isnt jagex fault that they havent "dealt" with these bots, people who code work very hard to make these scripts and make them seem as human as possible. 10 years ago, it was simple to detect a botting program, but now they are so elusive it is tough to know 100% someone is a bot. Imagine afk'ing at hets oasis on a new account and being lvl 3 with 99 farming as you play your main, just to be banned for seeming to be a bot. as soon as jagex develops a program to detect botting scripts, after the inital waves of bans, the scripts are revised according to the new bot detection, and the cycle repeats. botters dont care if u ban the bot account, they will just buy a new script for 20$ and be max again in a month w/ zero effort, and can use ge manipulation to "transfer" there gold over to a different mule account. its a pretty impossible situation to handle.
I used to bot when I was younger, never to the extent some people do. However, as I got older I noticed I'd quit playing for a long time quickly after using bots. This was because I was taking the fun out of the game. There's no sense of reward if you achieve a goal through botting, so it actually damages your experience as a player. What really solidified this belief for me was when I made my ironman at the mining/smithing rework. And if you gave a brand new player an account with a comp cape, they wouldn't know what to do or understand the time/effort it took to get there. Unfortunately, it's impossible for Jagex to get rid of all bots. Botting basically just turns any game into an idle game.
I think maybe the engine would have further improved if Jagex didnt gatekeep who worked for them, and didnt treat Jmods like some kind of rare unicorn we never see, gold crowns should be familiar to familiar players, personally i think jagex needs to hire passionate and dedicated players in order to address the main issues at hand, its like a school teacher, nobodys gonna tell them whos misbehaving, so hire more players 🤷♂️
You know on one of these sites which ends with withus, you can create an account and login to their site and they allow you to see how many subscribers each script has. and i can tell you it does not have many subscribers. The high end pvm script dont even have 10 subscribers each. Still sucks to but its not a big problem (yet)
I will never understand the motivation between wanting to bot. Do these people just not like engaging with the game? I thought the nature of the game was quite literally grinding out bosses and skills for the love of the game.
Mmo botting is a neverending issue, you need to keep updating to be ahead of the bots, and they will do the same This is a money making opportunity for the bot makers even if accounts get banned Doubt jagex has the resources or even willing to do anything about it
