EXTREME MOWER TESTING: SCAG Cheetah ll vs TORO 4000 Series 

Worked at skag dealership 9 years. Would not recommend a scagstander! A ton of problems with upright frame cracks and pump and hydro failures .Scag new they had alot of problems (to bad) ! Suckers

I am happy to see that more manufacturers are working on comfort levels for these mowers. Ferris used to be the only game in town that effectively improved ride quality.

Got the Scag deck in the dirt man . This vid actually makes me like the Scag more

Don’t think I have ever seen a more biased video. I have operated both Toro and Scag and can say Toro is a great machine but doesn’t hold a candle to the Scag. I run a Cheetah 31hp Koehler efi and have no bog with similar grass conditions. I haven’t operated the new Kawasaki 38 but this doesn’t look good for it. Tall, wet morning grass is where the Scag velocity deck outshines all other brands.

I was surprised by this video...almost seemed unbelievable. I own a scag vride and that thing is an absolute beast. Once I noticed they had the seat setting on firm the whole time i realized they were being biased towards Toro. I'm sure the Toro is a great machine, but don't let 1 video sway you away from scag. Check them out in person first. Scag makes some really nice mowers and is worth a look. I use my scag vride commercially and have put 500 trouble-free hours on it. Lots of tall wet grass.

Just need to clarify a few Miss statements by the reviewer. Scags spindles are some of the few left in the industry that are fully rebuildable. $60 will get you bearings and races and seals to completely rebuild a Scag spindle. Possibly the reviewer is overstating the cost to make the Toro appear to be a better value. I have owned and used Toros extensively in my business and they are fine machines No Doubt. However they are no less prone to failures and needing regular maintenance than any other Mower on the market. Also when I switched to Scag from Toro I did not notice reduced cutting quality or the inability of the deck to cut tall difficult grasses with ease. Also Kawasaki engines with fuel injection should be approximately 20% more efficient than their carbureted versions of the same horsepower rating. Although these two Kawasakis in the review were of different horsepower , the fuel efficiency of both units should have been much closer due to the larger motor being injected. Again it would seem that the reviewer is tilting the scales to make the Toro look like a lower cost per hour to operate machine. Since this gentleman appears not to sell Scag it comes down to the old saying " consider the source" and speaking of warranties we all know they are only as good as the paper they are written upon. The gentleman is right in one assertion however , you should always buy your commercial equipment local , there will come a time when your local dealer may make a difference in you finishing out the day or going home and losing money. Due diligence is needed before the purchase is made, try a bunch of different machines, make sure the dealer is capable of backing them up with timely service and reasonable prices.

There both awesome!! But one reason the scags bogging down is because he has the deck latterly scalping the ground, the Toro's up several inches you can clearly see it by the sky view..

Did it ever occur to you to raise the deck on the Scag? You can plainly see when comparing the Scag is way lower, there were spots when you did the second field the blades are hitting dirt in the Scag. After cutting the Scag mowed area has no green lawn left it’s set so low. Maybe you should compare the actual deck height vs where the settings on the mower say there at. Toro mowers are set higher then most on same setting.

Doesn’t make sense. 38 horse scag bogging like that? Something isn’t right.

Scag is cutting way lower..yall shoulda taken that into consideration

Cool made video. My complaint is the biased feeling on one mower than the other. I like to always give a super fair unbiased comparison, no matter what I sell or like. While watching this would have loved to see the bad boy rogue and the Ferris is3100 mixed in with these. Also the suspension adjusted to the softer ride on the Scag. I have been a Scag dealer for 3 years and I can honestly say I have never sold a deck bearing or a spindle for a Scag period. I know they go out we haven’t seen any. When they do the deck bearings are $13.99 each. I couldn’t see anyone ever having to buy a complete spindle unless they let the bearings be out too long, or just by breaking it hitting something.

How did toro design the frame around the hydro vent plug? Some mowers with the 4400/5400 its hard to get to. What is the procedure when theres only 1 expansion tank for both hydros?

I have the 2022 scag cheeter 2. I use it cut a 4 acre field, grass 3 to 5 ft. tall thick grass and it plowed through it with ease.

This looks more like a biased advertisement for Toro

Have a 2019 Cheetah 37hp Vanguard 61" deck and tested it out when new on a friends neglected deer camp with grass and weeds 1' to 2' high and never had a problem bogging down even in the areas soggy with ground water from springs flowing but must admit we cut probably no more than half speed.

The 4000 has 9” spindles with a top and bottom guard, a hex blade driver that prevents damage to the spindle and mower deck, I have priced for all three complete spindles at $357 as it comes in separate parts.

Thank you guys for this my eyes have been on Toro for 3 years I haven't pulled the trigger yet but soon

My 2006 turf tiger has 2700 hours on it now. I have replaced one spindle in that time because it was getting a little loose. Scag for me.

I have a Toro TimeCutter 52” with the MyRide system. It’s 4 years old. It is a fantastic mower! I believe it has the 23.5 HP engine. I don’t mow in all out high speed, because I only mow my residence, and don’t need to be “time critical” efficient. The blades are Gator mulching blades. I’ll just say, I don’t have a problem mowing, even if I let the grass in my field get to be 12” or longer. I set the deck at 3.5” and cut away. Very rarely do I need to double cut the grass to get it perfect. Usually it’s one cut and done. Great mower, well worth the price. Sometimes I think about a Toro Titan, but I think that’s really all about getting mower with a rollover bar, that’s just a cool look, though completely unnecessary for me! lol. This was a good episode! Very entertaining!

After buying a Scag Cheetah 2 with the 37 Vanguard.. this video is bs.. I've ran a Toro 6000 with the same engine on this 4000 and the Cheetah would run circles around the Toro.. hands down.

how is the 4000 cut in wet thick grass vs the other deck on z master?

This video is pieced together nicely and is good entertaining content. I thoroughly enjoyed it but I feel these tests weren’t even and biased towards Toro. The Z master looks badass and I’m sure it’s a great machine but that Scag was scalping all day in the field. There were spots that were just dirt left after he went through. Hell my buddy has a hayfield in PA (lots of fescue/alfalfa) and we wanted to have a bonfire up there and I took my 15hp Kawi Scag walk behind up and I still couldn’t clog the chute. It was 3-4 feet high and grass was flying everywhere. After the first two passes knocked down the super tall stuff I was cutting at full speed and if that little Kawi can hit that without bogging I have a hard time believing a 38HP can’t handle 13 more inches of deck. Discharge is where the velocity decks shine. Maybe that chute didn’t help. I never have that thing down in open areas but I’ve been feeding my yard nitrogen all year and cut it from 6-8 inches high down to 3.5 after long rains few times with the chute and it still didn’t bog like this cheetah was. If these actually are the results that’s fine but this is the internet and anything is possible. Footage from both mowers where we can hear the motors as well as see the deck settings would help next time. There was a lot of footage of the Scag bogging out in that field but really none of the Toro.

Wow very good machines liked both thanks guys

I cant wait for my 4000 to get delivered!!

Great job chip and bro!!!

I think that the scag with the 38 creates too much suction and holds the grass in the deck longer. Had that issue mowing tall grass with my mulch kit on my 61 inch vride2. I noticed it mows better if you throttle down

When you're jumping yard to yard and your yards are spread out it's very nice to have that

so was the scag in high when they ran it?

That 4000 is a beast! Can’t wait to see it handle St. Augustine and Bahia in the summer. Follow up video? If it’s 35 minutes I will watch it all! 😂

how much different is ride in toro vs tire options?

Loved the comparison vid of these 2 mowers. I didn’t see any bias between each job performed? But, I don’t run either mower, so I’m not biased myself. I’d actually like to see the exact same comparisons throughout the commercial mower lines! Apples to apples as y’all did w/those 2 mowers. Most of my customers have rough terrain to mow. So, the suspension is a must for me!! I run a 36hp 72” Bad Boy, 32hp 72” Ferris, & a 27hp 54” Spartan. On my personal comparison of my mowers, the Ferris has the best ride, worst fuel economy, has to have sharp blades! The Bad Boy is generally my “go to” mower, I believe it’ll cut grass w/2x4’s bolted on it? I believe the blade speed is faster. Discharges the grass further & better, doesn’t bog down on wide open mowing. The Spartan is the most fuel efficient, it also loves sharp blades, but is the roughest? It has the 360* seat & rear suspension only, w/radial tires. I’ll check the channel for similar comparisons?

Great comparison and in many ways surprising. both were on my shopping list, would love to see similar comparison between the toro 4000 and the Spartan equivalent. The result of that comparison would be my next mower. Thanks for you great reviews.

Great machine, took it out 1st cut on properties and left quality stripes with no bogging even with the 25.5hp. wondering why it doesn't have the deck adjustable baffles on each side like the grandstand?

Toro Street Mower channel lol. I'm looking forward to getting a Toro soon. But can we get a round of applause for the seat on that Scag? It's like a throne. I'll get rich one day and have on of those sitting in my mansion so I can sit there with girls fanning me with giant leaves and feeding me grapes. 😂

Just Got my Skag Cheetah II 72" with the Vanguard engine delivered yesterday. Got my 4 acre yard mowed before the storm hit and if I say so it looks fantastic. I also have a Cheetah 61 with the Kawasaki motor and this new cheetah felt awesome. Also I was wondering if it takes a lot of practice to talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time. Caught it a couple of times but for instance (Do you really want your crew to be driving 16 mph, I'm sure the toro can mow faster than the skag as he shacks himself like he is having a spaz attack. Its obvious he sells toro and not skag. Any used car lots out there that need a new salesman looks like a top candidate. I'm not a Skag fanboy but I have owned three of them and they have all done me good. Confession I did get intrigued by the Farris with isx but the dealers are all out and and have no idea when you would get it if you ordered one. Skag Best in Cut Quality and build like a tank.

I had a Gravely 460 good machine.Getting a Toro 4000 this week

Awesome flying dragon kick! 🤔

Every one of the tests in the vid are tainted, the first has the seating the skag set at the firmest setting, the second has different cutting hights as well as the third test if you look the scag is set so low they were scalping dirt with the blades it was set so low, but the toro never once hit the dirt. Smh

I'd like to see an independent, unbiased review. You've said in your videos, that you are bias toward Toro. I own a Scag Cheetah II and it doesn't bog down like it did in the video. Not nocking the Toro, but ya'll were sandbagging the Scag!

I'm definitely a big fan of that toro 4000. I don't think I will ever have one in my fleet but I think it's a beast (so it the scag of course)

What type of grass were you mowing? My Scag has never bogged down I'm in VA and I'm cutting tall fescue

love your videos and content will you please compare the 4000 to ferris 2200 they are a close machine in 60 inch

What height are you cutting the grass at

I looked at one of these toros today and liked it a lot it’s very comfortable but couldn’t pull the trigger on buying it as I have yet to see a review on how well it will hold on a hill. Seems like it sits higher than my husqvarna pz60 and turf tigers. Great price on them and you get a lot of mower for the money and I might end up with one once they have been out longer and have more reviews.

Hi, can you do a comparison or review on the Spartan KG stander mower.

The Scag is engineered to keep the grass up in the air under the deck. So there will be less grass clippings.

Scag suspension platform it’s adjustable, you guys have it on the firmest settings... but you probably know that...

I just ordered my 4000 this morning.

Can you demo a new toro 2000series zmastsr with myride and kawi motor

Here in Florida I've seen the county run Toro zero turns to mow their properties.

Are both mowers on same height setting

I have a Scagg V ride 52 inch and all of my clients love the cut.

I got a Hustler, and 1400 and zero bearing failure

You could see on the cutting portion the Scag deck was way too low… I had a neighbor of mine to tell me to bring my deck down to 1 1/2 inch to cut a former golf course behind his house and I was literally cutting dirt… Even though it was 1 1/2 inch on his mower I had to raise my deck in order to get an even cut to his. They probably should have looked at that before they tried that test.

Cool guy, good job reviewing and entertaining, lots of haters out here... keep it up 🤜

Be honest, this is a sales video. Toro makes a great machines. If you guys want to really test machines pull in the other dealers to demo each other’s machines. You look like hacks doing theses videos. Sell on merit, if y’all wanna dog the competition just throw up a paid for “the brothers selling toro” I’ve worked at golf courses running toro and they were great. This is off-putting however and I’ll not not buy a “bro”o

The last thing I worry about is the spindles ...on any mower

The Toro is a fine machine ....no doubt. However, if I had to choose between the two . . . Skag is my choice.

Can you get a 4000 series mower with EFI? I’m sick of carbs.

I wish more people would do videos like this. You can talk about a mower and its features all day long but the proof is in the actual comparison, side-by-side in the weeds. 🌾🌾🌾👍🏻

Wheelbase length factors in to ride smoothness also

Excellent comparison! Now try stacking toro against a Ferris. I need a new mower and I’m looking for the smoothest ride.

Got my toro 4000 couple months back with the 31hp Kawasaki and i cant get it to bog Its a beast!!

This was a great comparison between these mowers 👊

was going to purchase the 2021 tiger cat 2 52 with the kawasaki ft730v-efi 26hp but changed my mind and picked up 2021 Toro z master 4000 series pro with the kawasaki fc801v 25.5 hp. haven't mowed any grass yet cant wait but from what I see its alot larger and have the 5yr warranty. Had my dealer order the front mounted led light Also thanks for the epic vid. your vid definitely changed my mind from your info. thx again

All the spots you hit on the scag (that was bogging down) look like the deck was dragging dirt/hitting dirt mounds! Like other comments below I think you are sandbagging the scag 😒🧐 Also I want to see the Wright zxt 40hp vangaurd vs Scag turf tiger with the 37hp vangaurd

Please compare residential toro vs ferris

I am on my second Skag Tiger Zero Turn and the first one I had 956 hours on it. The only reason I traded it in was they gave me $6,500 for it and the new one was on sale. I now have over 900 hours on it and I have never had a problem with either one. I also bought two more for my company and never had a problem with either of them. Skag, great machines! J.R.

Holy shit what an abusive test! I feel violated. Good presentation of how deck volume affects cut speed! If it cant process fast enough dont matter how much power ya got. Just gonna go to heat in the spindles and belts. That chamfered deck really scoops up the grass. Id be very interested to also see husqvarna 560x mower against these two. Great video man!

I own a mower with that kawasaki 38.5efi that thing is not bogging down in that dry grass . I run it in east coast tall wet grass and never boggs out power is consist. My other mowers with carb engines will bogg but not that one. Also when you don't adjust the seat suspension it will be a rough ride. I think this is a bit one sided.

You need to do a top 5 zero turn mowers under $5000 this year. That would be a good video! 👍🏻

I just went on their channel and they sell Toro. Definitely biased. I have a Scag Liberty Z that would blow through that grass with no problem so I know a Chettah wouldn’t even break a sweat on that lawn. This test looks a bit fishy. Also how is the Scag rated at 12mph-16mph and the Toro is up to 12mph and it’s blowing past the Scag so easily? Just not adding up.🤔

This video is spot on, my Scag did the same thing. It was so disappointing

I really like the 4000 with the my ride, I want the model with the 52 in. deck. As far as I know, there's only one dealer in Savanah GA. But I live in Brooklet GA so it's roughly 50 miles from me. I'm pretty sure we have a dealer in Statesboro that sells them. The only problem is that just about everywhere you go, inventory is really low right now. Anyway, if I can find one, I'm sure going to try and demo

I have the same Skag mower, almost never boggs very strong engine. I even cut small trees with it. I think maybe you need a tune up. Sorry to be negative about your test.

My father is great friends with the head of the hydrogear testing department at one of their factories. He still claims Scag is number one to this day. I reckon he should know since he is testing mowers all day every day at work lol.

I asked a friend who owns a prestigious landscape business. He runs both brands to please customers. He said that he constantly has better luck with the Scag Cheetahs. Consistently running over 4500 hrs with no issues. Plus you can mow wet lawns and so on. He has six mowing crews and no reason to lie. My brother in-law went from Scag to Xmark and right back to Scag. I personally don't trust any company that MTD owns. It seems like they take the quality right out of what we're great products.

Nice mower great cut great price 👍👍

PLEASE DO TORO 4000 VS BAD BOY ROGUE!!!

I"M sure they are both great mowers. I'm currently shopping as I type this. I cant help but to expect a little bias as I watch this video and then go to his website and see all RED paint. I've talked to guys that mow commercially and have for several years that have used Exmark, JDeere, Toro ,Scags and Cubs all of the commercial variety. In speaking to them the general consensus was that they would def buy SCAG mowers AGAIN for what they do. Warranty didn't seem to concern them as they said dealers treated them well with loaner units while repairs etc. were being made.

I've got a Toro 2000 series that I just bought yes I wish it was as fast as a scag,

Awesome side-by-side comparison. However, I only have two more summers to live, and despite the fact that I currently have a great ExMark (bought Toro last decade), I think I'm going out with either an Altoz track wheel or the latest electric mower by MeanGreen (very little maintenance)! Thank you both. 💯🌟🌟🌟🌟💯

My only question is why you got the scag with a bigger engine? I've been into ferris for years, but this time we are going with the 31hp scag with a 72" deck. My demo of it we cut some grass that was about a foot tall and never had any issues bogging down going at about 75% speed. I do not appreciate biased information from dealers trying to sell. I would rather hard facts. When you see a mower shooting a line of dirt and your supposedly on 3.75 inches cutting height it should look just like how the aerial view of the Toro was barely any dirt.

I'D LOVE to see a Ferris high end suspension mower on the same ride test

“Lotta science going on underneath the deck that we don’t know about.” That’s gotta be true. I assumed the Scag was going to literally crush the Toro. May be the Toro being a thoroughly more modern machine, needs less HP to get jobs done. Eye opening video - good job.

Great video, let's up the game Bad boy rebel vs titian 4000. Who wants to see the battle??

It looks like the scag was cutting lower. But also one big thing is to check to see if these engines are both set right to run at 3600 rpm because every single brand new mower i have bought was not set correctly to run full throttle at 3600 rpm. If it is running lower then 3600 you are not getting the power that the engines are rated for

What is the model number of the toro

You lost me with the grass in the deck. Of course the scag is covered in grass when the toro discharge is going straight for the scag.

haha I love the video. going check the toro

Even though you physically matched the depth settings on both zero turns, sometimes they're not that accurate. You should have measured the decks to ground with a ruler to make sure they were the same. The Scag deck seemed to be too low and dragging ground. That said, the Toro had the better ride suspension system, which can be a plus if you're out there for several hours. Good effort and video.

Man something is wrong with that scag no way engine that big should never bog down wow thanks for this video glad I bought the Toro 👍🏽

It looks like the scag deck is lower to the ground compared to the toro I think that's why it's dragging down the motor.

The scag is shaft driven I believe is the toro? And maybe that’s where the power is lost? Thoughts? Thanks good comparison I love that toro

In the market for a new 72 , I’m between the lazer z or the toro 6000 . Sat in the cheetah and couldn’t get over how bad and uncomfortable the seat was . Literally the most uncomfortable seat I’ve sat in , which is a shame .

Why are some 4000s decks hanged with chains and some are just hanged by a metal plate?

Cut tall fescue all day, was on exmark/toro for ten years. Scag blows them away. Discharge is way too small for fescue on toro exmark.

The Scag looks like it is built with thicker guage steel thereby weighing more, hence the bigger motors.

Thumbs up for the karate kick!

The SCAG might be heavier ?