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That is one hell of a way to promote zen 4. God damn. I love how transparent AMD is with benchmarks and are fairly truthful with the performance gains. If AMD does this with their GPUS I will be fully on team red
@@phantom1100 i think they are going in the right direction rn. With open gl and radeon boost. With undervolting overclocking built in the relive, what else.
And hopefully this time Jay's head is more clear. I hate to say it but that episode kinda lasts for quite some time in people's heads. Or at least it did in mine, but as a remnant.
I'm not sure why people are upset about LN2 overclocking. It showcases both the upper limits of modern day technology, and the possible performance headroom that you're buying into with that hardware. Now yes, most people won't LN2 OC their CPU, but it's actually really informative to know what it's capable of.
I for one am not upset about LN2 overclocking. It just goes to show the architecture's limits and capabilities and, as a result, the product confidence when you buy it and it's lesser models that it will last a very long while.
@@infernaldaedra Not all of them. Many of the higher core count CPUs still have their CB R23 records set above zero. I held the 32 core CBR23 record for a while(4.6 all core, still the 3970X record) and it was with an open loop. The current 32 core record(5875WX) was done above zero also.
i remembered attending 5ghz OC tournament 2012 (i was just visitor). The tournies jokingly said to me : maybe in the next 10 year everyone would have 5Ghz processor lel
Yeah. Eventually The theoretical limit of silicon will get hit like the theoretical limit of POTS did with modems and prices will plummet Modems went from $100 to $20 in a frighteningly short time.
@@bombastinator1887 what happened to modems won't happen to processors for at least next 10, or even 20 years. We'll move on to different types of FETs, maybe even will do away with CMOS.
A decent P4 with cedar mill core will actually hit 5GHz pretty stable with air/water and that was back in 2006, it'll still get absolutely destroyed by a core 2 duo at like 3Ghz though...
I remember having a 5Ghz 2600K using a first gen Corsair H100. That was 10+ years ago. Sandy Bridge CPUs were insane performance and considering that I got my 2600K for $300 an absolute performance bargain. I still have a CPU-Z validation link of that chip at 5.55Ghz at something like 1.72 volts with just that Corsair H100.
@@joelscb same. I got mine for 147. Did u use it yet?. Its still a solid cpu, but thats what happens when ur on the bleeding edge of technology. Shit gets better.
People will just get nvidia if the difference in price is minor. Amd has to be somewhat aggressive price-wise otherwise raytracing, dlss3,reflex,cuda, encoders,etc put nvidia over amd. If both amd and nvidia have ridiculous pricing then most people will also just grab used cards and most likely nvidia.
@@unpacker9521 AMD had something like reflex before Nvidia did... dlss3 is just usable in some games because it adds latency so its a no go for any game like fps or racing games, encoders they catched up pretty good a couple of months ago they updated it. Raytracing we will see I think RDNA 3s raytracing will be better but still not as good as Nvidia ada lovlace but that's something we will know in about a month
@EunSeo am6 isn't on any roadmaps. Am5 will be here for years. Also I doubt Intel will ever change to a multigenerational socket like AMD unless they become a much smaller company than AMD.
The little editor's notes with definitions are great. I had to pick up and figure out that stuff from context clues when I started learning about this kind of thing. I appreciate the extra little touches to help out the newbies.
Its definitively both. AMD engineers had to design solid architecture to make it possible. While overclocking itself is an art form that takes a lot of practice. As well as a fair bit of trial and error. I think the most telling thing is that AMD, unlike companies like Nvidia, is currently acting in an enthusiast friendly manner. While CEO's like Jensen Huang are moving towards vertical integration. And locking down the architecture as much as possible. For now, at least, Lisa Su is encouraging experimentation. And messing around with the hardware. Time will tell if AMD keeps on being enthusiast friendly. Or if they join the dark side. SO far, AMD seems to be doing a great job. And I really really hope that doesn't change as soon as AMD over takes Nvidia in market share.
@@billalverson6168 That’s good! I think there is a real benefit to having a cozy enough team where you can have some fun with the little details and not run afoul of too much corporatism.
Love the coverage of Bill and Amit, they does an amazing job pushing these! ...and here I am still stuck at 6.15-6.2G on my samples for the first 7950X run, need to troubleshoot a lot of Coldbug issues :p
They stated yesterday they aren't. At least, not for Zen 4, possibly 5. Their newest K|ngp|n series board is going to be Z790E, I'd say they have something in store for AMD with Raptor Lake but I'm hoping AMD can actually be king for once. I'm happy with my 5900x but may go for a 7900x, in saying that I'll still keep an eye out for Intel 13000 series, just in case.
I appreciate the added notes during the video since I know nearly nothing about LN2 OCing and have frankly had a hard time up until this point following your LN2 content; so it definitely helped
I haven’t been this excited with a hobby in a long time. I’m so grateful enthusiast PC’s exist and that I discovered this hobby several years ago. I can’t wait for the upcoming content GN, Thank You!
Hopefully this translates into great Monero mining performance for the 16 core 7950X, and a great Zen 4 memory controller for low latency gaming. I"m a little worried about overall power draw though.
Now that the reviews are out, that idea of, "the CPU runs at 95 degrees Celsius all the time" and the clock speed will vary based on the ability of the cooler to keep the CPU at 95C is something that Steve mentions. Turn the system on, CPU goes to 95C VERY VERY quickly, and the cores will adjust their frequency to keep the temperatures there is why that happens.
Intel, AMD: Makes powerful consumer CPU for moderately advanced office/work tasks. Overclockers: Turns said CPU into personal sized nuclear reactor and laughs repeatedly.
@@Geth270 I'm guessing the remark was more related to the temperature generated. You know, north of 400 degrees Celsius despite all the cooling and shit.
You can not blame AMD and Intel to make powerful CPU because there are many stupid people who do not understand about CPU. I use my CPU mainly for doing electronics circuit simulation. More core is better.
@@anistardi Competition is great for innovation. I'm glad Intel has a market share competition again with AMD. What cpu and how many cores? Just curious.
I'm so happy to see AMD finally trading consistent blows with both Nvidia and intel. It feels so vindicating when I was laughed at for going with AMD and Radeon cuz they were cheaper and now they're both valid choices. Nothing against intel and Nvidia but they really need to watch out
And then everyone in the room clap. Seriously, who TF actually laugh at someone for buying one product over the other? Unless you are talking about online chat? If so, who TF cares about some anno opinion?
I mean AMD has always made good chips, anyone who says otherwise is an Intel fanboy. AMD has always pulled ahead for a short while and then Intel catches up. The AMD Athlon Thunderbird was the best processor for a short while. AMD was also ahead with the Athlon 64 too, and with the X-2. AMD chips have always been decently priced for the performance they provide, I have had more AMD based systems just because I was usually going for a budget gaming build.
@@NewbieLam honestly, after looking through some replies in techtuber comment sections, i believe it. the number of stick-in-the-muds is... concerning. your opinion is the right one, though. no one should really judge anyone else for getting a certain product. it's your money at the end of the day.
Doesn't make sense to be a fanboy one way or the other imo. The important thing is price/performance. I have 0 brand loyalty. I buy whatever has better price/performance the day I buy, which usually means it's something on sale. I have owned intel, amd, and nvidia.
Wow, great results and very interesting Q&A with OC guys. Thank you GN for this, made my Sunday morning (in EU) much better and fun to watch. Cant't wait for possible upcoming OC battles with Jay, Linus...
Steve how about for your next LN2 overclocking session you build a acrylic box that you can put over it that seals the mainboard and pot from the air so that there can be no condensation. Then you add a cup of LN2 inside of the box to slowly evaporate and drive away any moisture that is in there at the time. And you just have a hole at the top which once again is basically sealed to no air can go into the mainboard area but still allows you to pore LN2 into the pot. The alternative is to put the PC into a vacuum chamber with a copper tube that goes to the pot and by pulling a pressure slightly lower than atmospheric you can pull the LN2 into the pot. Advantage is no moisture and therefore little to no risk of moisture bricking your stuff. If you need to heat up the CPU for booting you could literally run a heating thing into it that you would turn on when it is required. You would pull the copper tube out of your reservoir and then start heating it. When it can boot you put the tube back in and once again cool the cpu down. Sounds expansive maybe but the most expansive part would be a vacuum pump. This principle has been shown off several years ago and I think you could use it to your benefit.
Hyper train! Looking forward to launch day for Ryzen 7000 and all of the independent reviews and benchmarks!!! Thanks GN for the work everyone will be doing! o>
Was about to crash but I felt a disturbance in the tech-verse and saw this. Had to watch. Thanks for bringing us the cool stuff Steve. (unintentional pun)
I just wanted to say that all the breakout text explaining the terms and why/what they are and what's going on is really really great to have on the screen when following along at home.
@@goob8945 No lie leaks coming out that shit is running hot as hell and melting stuff and power hungry.I was looking at 4090 but not wasting money right away i let the suckers beta test it and the 4080 for me and also see how the 7000 series does.
Really appreciate the captions on the bottom explaing some of the more niche jargon. Super useful. Recommend letting them hang a _little_ longer (they disappear a bit too quick).
I love how chill everyone is here. You can tell they're all happy to be talking to other XOC enthusiasts. I am not into that at all myself, but the energy is good content.
For anyone wondering: it is safe to handle liquid nitrogen with bare hands. It's actually dangerous to wear gloves. The reason being that when wearing gloves the nitrogen can soak into the glove and burn you. When liquid nitrogen splashes into bare flesh it actually evaporates and forms a protective barrier around the hand which stops more nitrogen from soaking onto the skin and burning you.
I can not wait I got my 5950x to a all core 5.8 for hours on dryice. The 7950x will be in my shopping cart this week I was hoping for a evga am5 board my dark evga boards are always my favorite. So excited its oc time!
I'm now genuinely EXCITED for Zen4 high end custom loop water. All previous Zens were boring from an O/C perspective because I have high expectations (I'm an original Celeron 300A @ 450Mhz person).
AMD killing it with the marketing, this gives me Phenom 2 vibes. I love this tech focus instead of PR people doing marketing, Intel ARC same thing, NVIDIA not so much!
@@Zegery buildzoid of Actually Hardcore overclocking would like a word with you. You can literally just get a waterblock on a 6900xt, and unless you are lucky to have one with the XTXK die that later went to the 6950xt refresh, you can max the sliders in their drivers and be done. Team Radeon has ALWAYS been a real hardass about overclocking them. The last gpu they promoted to be an "overclocker's dream" was the R9 Fury; with first-gen HBM, it was hard capped at 1050mhz on the memory even if you had it under liquid nitrogen. Yet the thing would suck down 600 watts per chip if allowed to.
@@joshuasterling2144 If that's the case it's a win for AMD. They do need to improve ray tracing performance and make FSR even better, that's really the only thing nVidia is ahead in current gen.
@@HyperOpticalSaint It should be very much improved all around but its also natural to assume AMD is going to be about a half generation behind NVIDIA when it comes to Ray Tracing and FSR. FSR will not be better than the competition but where it makes up is in implementation and the fact that its platform agnostic. I expect to see a lot of games with it going forward.
Well to be fair Intel's next gen are due in about 4 weeks, and I expect them to be faster than AMD just like last generation. But the IGP is much better in AMD's lineup.
@@CommanderRiker0 For the looks of it they will be close enough, probably the i9 will be a bit better at single + multicore at 200W+ and be the "king" at gaming until the Zen 4 3D V-Cache launches. Sadly some i5's and below will be a refresh of Alder Lake.
I mean, i feel like 8000 points is a bit bigger of a deal than you made it out to be. And it would be cool to see another Rip Jay/Rip GN/Rip Paul series.
I'm glad to see faster RAM becoming available too, like DDR5-7200. With the timings tuned well, there's no doubt it beats out DDR4. It's quite pricey, but hopefully prices go down fast soon.
Wow, the ease in which that world record was obtained took me by surprise. Is it the new power efficiencies that allow this chip to be clocked so high?
Love this content piece GN. My two cents, I would have love to see more trial and error with the actual benching with the guys in like a 30 minute video and a separate a and a video. LOVE xoc content! From someone who does not have time to watch a 4 hour stream recap video, I would watch all the videos if they were around 30 minutes long.
For real lol. I love buying the latest tech, and was considering a 7950x (and handing off my 5900x rig to a relative or friend) but the motherboard prices are very high and adding top-end DDR5 costs into that mix doesn't help. Might have to skip this generation or at least hold off until prices normalize a bit.
@@iinsomniaaaaa wait for the C-3PO VCache models late next year. Prices for mobo and DDR5 will have stabilized by then and it’ll be a more mature and better set of chips
@@erichall090909 That's what I'd assume as well, but silly sidenote: What does the C-3PO stand for? I can find the 3D V-Cache info but nothing about C-3PO
And here i was impressed when i got my R5 2600 to 4.2ghz 😂. Jokes aside. Quite impressive. Can't wait to see what kingpin and de8aur do with a CPU like this. Also the question on everyone's mind is can raptor lake match it. We will have to wait and see as I ain't counting intel out.
Wow... amazing results... IF the normal AIO setup can be impressive, which I expect it will.. this is excellent timing for AMD with the Intel and Nvidia issues of late, power and heat issues.. I may be going back to AMD.
It would be interesting, to close board in close case without mater in air, so you could ignore it, add flow with radiator inside to take heat and external by pipes to extract heat from box.
If you are water cooling, the lowest temp you can (theoretically) achieve is ambient, you can't go below that, no matter how big a radiator you put on. If you are talking about sealing the computer in a vacuum, you will cook every component pretty quick - the mosfets or resistors will probably go first, air is needed to move the heat away from all the parts, otherwise they will start to glow red pretty quickly - blackbody radiation isn't going to cut it.
I'm not a tech person (I do ecology and conservation), but I don't understand why tech companies would deliberately stop people from getting the best possible results from their products. Doesn't xoc inspire innovation in the industry creating openings for the next level of advancement in software and hardware development? It seems to me (again I'm NOT a technical person) that a company who is fully open to consumers advancing their products would only benefit from the outcome. Speaking from an ecological position here in Australia, citizen science has been a fundamental role in retrieving data and advancing techniques and tools. I think what you all do is amazing and seeing people so passionate and dedicated is inspiring. 👍🤠
The workarounds to the limits are known to the community. The problem with running electronics beyond their design spec is that it shortens the life of the component. A modern CPU running as designed will run for years with no issues. The CPUs these guys are beating on have operating lifetimes measured in hours, and that is without any mistakes being made. (I am a tech person; an electrical engineer, to be precise.)
What's more insane is that it beat the 12900k at 7GHz by quite a margin. So IPC on Zen 4 is good, and it looks like it scales "all the way to the top".
This is amazing, I would love to work with AMD in XOC team along with Amit and Bill , My OC experience is on K62 CPU, x2 6000, x4 940, and now with 5950x using arctic 420 AIO
You "shills" are sure doing your part to shovel mountains of coal into the firebox of AMD's thundering Hype Train! ;) Glad they let you release this! Thanks!
Yeah pretty sure you will get tall core better than that at constant with an AIO. It will be a while but this might be my first all AMD system since NVIDIA have lost their minds.
@@joshuasterling2144 Unless you're a wizard, you're not going to go higher than roughly 4.6 all core static oc. Now, you might get to around 4.7 but I've only ever seen it here and there. I was talking about boost clocks with pbo, and wasn't actually complaining a out my cpu. Tbh, it runs like a dream, and handles everything I throw at it. I've even tinkered with it to get it to boost this high, but these are only the boost frequencies. Oh, and I am running on an aio. I have my artic freezer II 420 holing me up with my 10 cse fans keeping it cool in there. Trust when I say this, AMD knew what they were doing with this cpu, and pbo is the way to go. Get your TDC, EDC, and, PPT set, along with curve optimizer, and she'll purr just like a kitten
@@phoenix0153 My 3950X does 4.57 at 1.4v, but I decided to lower it to 4.45ghz at 1.35ghz because that's much more efficient and less damaging, though I hear the cpu can take a beating voltage wise compared to the others
@@BBWahoo Ngl, I haven't tried a static oc on my 5950x yet. I oc'd the absolute crap out my 5900x, trying to squeeze every last drop of speed out of it on a static oc, and kind of got burnt out on it once I realized the full potential of pbo. I even maxed out pbo for my 5950x and was able to score 31k at one time on r23. Now, and with winter approaching, you ha e me wanting to see what kind of static oc I can get with this bad boy, lol. I've got the itch to do SOMETHING with my cpu, again.
@@BBWahoo oh, with the 5900x, I was able to get about 4.65 oc on all core. It's been a little while, so it may be a little hazy. But I may have even had it at 4.7/4.65 with split ccd's, though I can't say for sure. I'm also on a new motherboard, so I no longer have my old settings, which is rough, starting anew.
Damn as excited as I want to be for zen 5, I don't know if 16% faster than Intel 12th gen will be enough to compete with Intel's typical 10-15% generational gain as well as more e-cores. Depends on how expensive everything ends up being though
16% is greater than 10-15% though so how could it not compete? Also, MT is not 16% over 12th gen! Alderlake was basically tied in MT with Zen 3. Zen 4 is going to be like 30-48% higher in MT and about 10-15% higher in ST. 13th gen and Ryzen 7000 are going to be close in both ST and MT. My bet is that Ryzen will win by a smidge in ST and gaming and Intel will win by a smidge in MT. Smidge meaning 5% or less.
@@ImInYourBrains ST i expect no less than 26% higher than 12th gen and we will see in less than 36 hours 10-15% higher PFFF someone is wrong and most probably you
@@commanderoof4578 Dude relax first off. Second, Zen 4 is 28% ST over Zen 3. Alderlake has more than 10% ST over Zen 3. You do the math buddy. Its not going to be 26% over in ST are you crazy? Even AMD didnt say that in their slides. Like we all want 7000 to be good but thats some serious hopium right there.
@@ImInYourBrains 13% ipc + 22% all core frequency boost that doesnt even take into account any RAM improvements such as higher MHz speed and such as well as the 25% memory bandwidth improvement at the same Fabric clock and stuff 36% minimum ST improvement over zen 3 and hence 26% over 12th gen I was still expecting a 46% ST improvement but hey wee will see if its actually closer to 46% or 36% over zen 4 pretty dang soon
You Are forgetting a few things. 1. This is true 16 core and not 8p + 8e like intels chip. And 2. This test typically does scale on corecount.. And 3. Its real competitor the 13900k isnt out yet. And 4. To reach All core 5.5 they aparently needed ln2 @not suitable for 24/7 usage And prob not something ez done on Water. + also to get pure ipc test we would need a single core test to compare with.
@@AdaaDK FYI, 7950X OC on air beats 13900K unlocked (ie OC presumably on air or an AOC) in ST and loses by less than a percent in MT. Stock vs Stock the 7950X wins in both. Check out the videocardz article.
Great perf guys! Just jumped onto 3900x from MC, perfs are very decent for $260 but prism litterally sucks as 2 prongs don't make the cooler contact with cpu as well classic 4 corner attach. I cleaned the cooler and used some grizzly. I could wobble the cooler left/right after securing the latch.
They had engineering samples at 5.8 on air so I wouldn't be surprised at all. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they are binning the fastest dies that hit 6ghz on air and slapping v cache on them right now for a 7800X3D release in Q1.
