For those below who don't know the term "Dead stick". ---A dead stick landing, is a type of forced landing when an aircraft loses all of its propulsive power and is forced to land. The "stick" does not refer to the flight controls, --The F16 is a fly by wire aircraft (No wires or rod linkages, only electrical wires.)
And the stick is? The propeller, originally propellers on aircraft were wooden and so sometimes they were known as "sticks". If it stopped spinning, you had a dead stick.
Nice to have that level of resource management. No one in the cockpit to deviate tasks to, so the wingman steps up and makes the radio calls. That’s a Battle Buddy right there!
Mother of all F-bombs... he did good! Look at the man go, focussed and fast acting. I could never do that. Salute to all them Fastmoving Dudes and Dudettes.
They said that to Capt. Haynes on Flight 232 (the one they crash landed with differential thrust only, 1/3 passenger fatalities.) I'll always remember how Haynes said "ahahaha, you wanna be particular and make it a *runway*, huh?"
Ejection under a controlled landing like this is nearly 100% survival rate. You might get some minor injuries but it's nearly a 0% chance of death. Landing the aircraft almost seems like an unnecessary risk to the pilot, but if he ever felt like he was in mortal danger, he would have ejected because in the end the pilot is always the one in command in the aircraft and it is his job to ensure he and his crew (i know the f-16 is 1 man but you know) make it home safe.
There is always a risk in ejecting. Even allowing for surviving the ejection, the stresses it places on the pilots body possess a significant chance of permanent injuries that will sideline him from further flying. In short, if possible, it's always better to land the plane.
@@vetusmagnus3885 Understood. Being into rockets and such, I do have a question: why isn't there a procedure to vent this? (Or alternatively use it for propulsion? Why is it even carrying this and if you're carrying it why not let them use it as dV on the plane?). I'm no pilot but I'd have to think even a little bit of thrust would be useful when the main engine cuts.
@@BumbleBeeJBG I doubt the thrust from the hydrazine would be helpful since its not even burned to run the EPU. Its also compact and stores for a long time
One reason Navy aircraft tend to have multiple engines and/or an auxiliary engine power unit. Also makes for less maintenance or equipment requirements for self-starting. Pumped up plenty of the hydraulic reservoirs on the Hornets to get 'em around.
The 16 was made to be lighter and cheaper. That comes at a cost. Now they're doing the same thing with the 35, not to mention trying to make it a jack-of-all trades like the F4. Lesson not learned I guess.
@@theflanman420420 I just might. Just messing around, I tried it in the Hornet, inadvertently killed the power and couldn't lower the gear (maybe I didn't know how), but I had enough altitude to fire up the APU and the right engine and land. It was fun.
Would personally like to see someone re create the one where the pilot dodged 3 or 6 (I don't remember exactly) SAMs with no chaff.... they had jammed and he didn't know.. had to out maneuver them with skill. Crazy stuff.
Only time you hear his breathing change is during final and touchdown. Don't blame him, no power to control your descent or climb out if needed, and hope the gear locked in place.
@@operationscomputer1478 except gliders aren't loaded with explosive material and jet fuel, weigh a few tons, or fly at four hundred plus knots. Gliders don't explode into a firey ball of metal if you make a mistake. Not the same thing by a mile.
@@j.c.keplinger7046 He jettisoned his tanks, but obviously there's still fuel in the fuselage so your point still stands. Not to mention bombs and literal millions of dollars of high tech equipment. Gliders are also designed to glide, fighter jets are designed to fly at super sonic speeds.
@@ATSaale Yeah, 16's don't really glide all that well on their own, they tend to plummet. Didn't even think about the tanks, so thanks for that and the fuel in the system does count. He was sitting on a gigantic bomb if he got it wrong even alittle; I'd give it a 7out of 10 on the pucker scale. Damn fine aviator.
Superb flying, helped by excellent resource management from the other birds in his flight. All in all, the absolute best possible outcome. No doubt got an Attaboy added to his file.
They are, but that has nothing to do with whether they can glide or not. The software that makes the minute corrections to keep the plane under control doesn't suddenly stop working just because the engine is out. If they lost all electrical power but the engine(s) were still running, then you would have no choice but to eject.
More proof that engines don't make airplanes fly; they just help maintain the desired speed. Without the emergency power unit the story would have been very different.
I remembered correctly.. EC is the capital of Pasquotank County (somewhere in between Chowan and Currituck.. or is it Camden.. can't remember for sure).
@Jetman123 I agree with everything you say...my post was a response to 16vr6...perhaps it was better directed at patton303...but anyway it was a good job and practically any fast jet pilot would have achieved same or similar outcome
I understand tower is worried but they really should do their best to sound as "normal" as possible, its one less thing the pilot needs to worry about and makes the situation feel more like training than a real emergency. You're much more clear headed in a sim than you are in real life, and that calmness can vastly improve your chances of survival should you need to make a split second decision.
That's f'ing amazing. I didn't know you could glide those things that far. Did that airstrip just happen to be there? He came in a little fast too....looked like it was just under 200
@Paul Flusk you can actually have a positive rate of climb despite being pitched down 10 degrees my friend. Look at some gliders in strong thermals. And if you don't have an engine, of course you have to pitch down to remain at your optimal gliding speed. You exchange height for speed, but it's still flying. falling would mean gaining speed uncontrollably and without any forward movement.
@Paul Flusk I'm sorry, I didn't think and wasn't even remembering that here it's all about the velocity vector which indeed represents the vertical speed. I take everything back and agree with you. Btw, holy shit, 5000hours? Do you mean in real life or in DCS?
its FBW so no engine, APU no power or a decent charge on the bat means no controls. Assume EPU is a Hydrogen based emergency generator of some sort. Heard mention hydrazine surprised its used I know they can overspeed to destructive rpms.
EPU (Emergency Power Unit) is a small turbine running on hydrazine, that runs a generator and a hydraulic pump, so the F-16 can maintain Flight for some time (depending on usage and bleed air coming from the milling or running engine.
You're right in that it's confusing. What they're referring to as the 'stick', is the propeller blades. I know this is not a propeller engine, but that's where the term comes from, from the early days of aviation: dead engine = dead stick (propeller is not moving, or dead in other words). Control stick, flight stick, side stick (cause it's on the side in an F16, and not in the middle), hands on throttle and stick (HOTAS) are terms that would be accepted as correct to varying degrees, depending on the aircraft and the setting among other things. So you're not wrong there either.
@CorrectiveAction The proper response in the air in an emergency is "aerogate, navigate, radiate". Fly the plane first. Navigate second. Talk to people _last_. If you can delegate, do so. A wingman talking to the tower for you and helping you with the checklist is _smart_.
Tough choice... try to land dead stick and possibly not make it or eject with ejection injuries, survive and have the aircraft crash on people or its engine restart and it crash on people elsewhere.
@16vr6 ...seriously?? I honestly doubt that. He didnt even drop his tanks until told to. Yeah great job, but he had a wingman "hold his hand" all the way down. Anyone who flies a fast jet in any (well almost any) defence force is extremely competent.
Dropping external stores is something extra risky. There was a Fakcon in same issue 20 k north of SAT. He had training practice ord on hard points, THOUGHT he jettisoned them over an Army training base (Bullis) but one skewered the empty garage of a house.
@@kcism3239 That and the 40mm M203 are why some of the ranges are still EOD nightmares. Hand grenades are easy, 40 yards, 60 if you got an MLB arm. So if that Falcon driver had dropped his training ord into one of those ranges..no biggie. AF would have written it off.
When you see your nose pointing -10 degree you know you will glide.... And i talk, being a gamer 😅😁 I dont want to know the feelings in a real situation 😱
The dead stick expression is just misleading. The stick doesn't regulate power, it operates control surfaces that are in good working order. Call it "Dead throttle".
Wikipedia - Deadstick landing: "The "stick" does not refer to the flight controls, which in most aircraft are either fully or partially functional without engine power, but to the traditional wooden propeller, which without power would just be a "dead stick"."
