F-16 vs. MiG-29 fighter jet dogfight - Dęblin 2010 - HD 

Your explanation is not entirely accurate. The setup at the beginning is for high aspect BFM (basic fighter maneuvers). They start out together at the beginning and then make a hard 30 degree turn away from each other to get separation. That is when the F16 goes out of camera frame. Once separation is achieved they turn in toward each other for a head on pass. Which is when you see the MiG roll out and fly straight and ignite the afterburners. You don’t see the F16 doing the same thing because he is outside the field of view of the camera. Then they merge and start a one circle fight, meaning they turn in the same direction away from the crowd. After that it is a pretty tame turn circle fight since they are so low to the ground and a crowd of people. Real BFM is much more drastic with lots of vertical.

I see the mug 29 making tighter turns than the F16. The F16 appeared to be keeping up but lagging a bit ? Either way it would had been a good missile lock

@@rl7487 Every aircraft has an optimal airspeed at which it has its highest turn rate. The F16's optimal turning speed is really high. So while the turn rate in degrees/second is excellent, the actual radius of the circle is quite large (because it's going so much faster). Which is why you see the Mig-29 always inside the F16's turn. Also, yeah. a 9x would have ended that fight a lot sooner.

All I see is the F-16 trying to keep up with the MIG-29 in turns and failing miserably

@@turanamo Nah, unless there's a huge difference in turn rate between the two aircraft these kind of fights tend to be quite slow and drag on like this. Keep in mind that there's only a couple of degrees/second difference in peak turn rate between these aircraft so unless someone screws up it usually takes minutes to resolve. That's kind of just how rate fighting work.

@Robert S Whoa there buddy make sure you don't cut yourself with all that edginess.

Russian Fighter Jets have ALWAYS had the Smoke issue. Not good in a Dog Fight. The MIG 29 is a Truck compared to the F16 is a Ferrari! Russia has always built for speed. Russia built a MIG to shoot down the US's SR71 Blackbird. Never once recorded a Kill and Sadly not a single hit on a SR71! The SR71 was built in the 1960's!

This is probably right as the number of people proves this an air show and he title is a misnomer.

Yep...I thought it was an 'air race ' or something. lol

lol probably lied to troll them in case of a real world scenario, make them foolishly think the 29 will beat an F-18 super hornet, I mean really now

CF 18 is not the ACM aircraft that the Block 50 F16 is

You’re not remembering it correctly. American F-15 pilots guided them in from Alaska through BC down the the Abbotsford Airshow (there is video of that) which is the only one in BC that has jets. The rest is some made up Canadian Folklore.

@@GBLynden According to a pilot who was there........Migs overnighted at USAF Elmendorf Alaska. Then flew down the pan handle with Eagle escort. Eagles are relieved by three cf18s out of Comox BC. A USAF AWACS was providing over watch, but Migs were under guidance from civilian ATC. When the Migs lost coms with ATC, they resorted to hand signals and did a close formation descent through 30,000 feet of cloud with the three cf18s, led by Major Bob Wade RCAF. The Migs landing at Abbotsford while cf18s return to Comox due to live weapons restrictions at civilian airports. Hear Major Bob Wades story on coldwarconversations podcast. Quite interesting.

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Nathan Jones Because it was behind the MiG when it took off, and they are both still in the take-off pattern, moron.

***** If you were intelligent enough to do even the slightest bit of real research (which you clearly aren't), you'd find that other full videos of this same STAGED aerobatic routine are readily available, and clearly show that the two aircraft depicted in this "dogfight" are merely exiting the take-off pattern shortly after take-off. There is no dogfight whatsoever, shit-for-brains.

+Ash Jones * Execpt the pilots kept like that Ash-----hole

***** Always humoring to see tantrums from butthurt, moronic wannabes who've never logged so much as a single flight hour.

+Ash Jones i saw that too. he could have taken him with guns or missiles

+Crashburn 32 Because we don't see it through Vodka stained eyes.

I have photos of a Mig29 I took at Salinas,Ca. airshow,up close.... I was suprised at the control surfaces. The were fitted like a tank, strong but not as clean as could be....They have always made machines for a very harsh climate.

Peter Ruiz Great air show there. Not exactly Reno or Miramar, but you're closer to the aircraft.

@@peterruiz6117 I believe that (and the rough surface of that airplane) was done on purpose by russians.

Both plsnes are awesome i have never seen a f16 in real life just on tv but here is Serbia mig29's fly every day two of them and they do rolls and stuff its really cool

+wahwah1013 i think the f16 does ... the mig just has vodka as first aid

+wahwah1013 America!!!

+Face the Truth : Wrong MIG. don't have vodka it got pudding ( Putin ) LOL....

wahwah1013 viper and it has good air conditioning and a reclining pilot seat,and it was all over that mig,even with those luxury accommodations

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+Joshua C not bad for old 70's junk eh?

+Joshua C i did find out recently the f16 can accelerate in the vertical. i thought on the f15 was the only US fighter than can do that.. i assume the mig can as well. i assume the mig cant stay in the fight very long with two smokewagon engines burning fuel to keep that HUGE fighter moving. the f16 is much better on fuel.

you are so brave making coments like these in russian community

sure

+Vykintas Velikenas Sense when is youtube a Russian community. Is that what Putin tells you? If Putin told you he fly's on eagles wings would you believe him. Of course you would.

It's always fun to watch miget wrestling. Just like reading the coments some people write, Most of them never flew anything other than commercial. And you are right Kamal, this is just an air show. Thrills for the spectators, nothing more LOL

Truth!

US F-4's burned dirty into the 80's, but you're right Ian, I cant believe it smokes like that either. Also, did you notice it was the one bird on the line that had two fire extinguishers right there. Just as likely to burn as it is to start.

greg91786yuma Lulz on fire danger... That's true about the Phantoms... remember watching them many times at Homestead AFB "back in the day"... yet *supposedly* the F-4 had the same GE J-79 engine(s) used in many of the F-1xx "Century" series fighters... don't remember the latter smoking as much... hmmm... send a Telex to AMARG, time to UN-mothball some F-104s... lol.

I have seen some early videos of B-52 and that one smoked just as much. I wonder if it has not only with the fuel quality to do but perhaps also some design decisions of the engine. Like use some fuel for cooling or something like that.

I can't speak for the MiG, but the B-52 has what's called water injection. By adding water into the fuel mixture instead of a combustible fuel, you can achieve the same thrust properties without the added costs or danger, while running a more lean mixture. What you see coming out of the B-52's engines is actually mostly water vapor. I know, it looks a lot worse than it is.

Johan Fasth The B-52 had water tanks in them to improve boost at take off, My dad was a Chief with them so I know.

A crap pilot in an F35 will kill a great pilot before he knew what hit him......

@@joegibbs3222 Without missiles?

@@jtveg cannon

@@F5Storm1 His assertion was that: _"A crap pilot in an F35 will kill a great pilot before he knew what hit him...... "_ There's no way a *"great"* pilot would ever allow another plane to get into cannon range without him *"knowing"* about it. The F35 may stealthy but it is not invisible.

@@jtveg agree. That is the problem with most Americans. They think the Lightning is invisible. 😂😂

Sujith Kawashkar I would say the same if I was a Russian fan boy :) The Mig has no change and here you see for yourself.

Fons negentienachtenvijftig Mig-29's cobra manuever's quick turn around can definitely be used to shoot the falcon down..oH I am sorry European pilots are not capapble to do such manuevers. I am sorry to handle Mig-29 there should be a well versed pilot in the cockpit.. Somebody knows how to use it.

***** I don't know what that is because I am not a muslim..

***** I don't you can go and give that to him..

***** I am not either.. i don't even know who he is.. And as you know him well and saying his name always tells how aspired you are about him..

Thank you! Sadly, I have no time to develop it.

@@OneMonster you most welcome

What Something F-16 Manuver by Hits By MiG-29

But the F16 it is limited to 15AOA.How to be that good? be more specific

*C O R R E C T*

It's man behind the wheel, and his gutts .

Too low to the Hard Deck!🤣 The only place to go is up,or in circles so that the crowd can see 🤔

You mean at an Airshow full of spectators they aren't having a real Dogfight trying to kill each other? Who knew? No shit it isn't real. Thank God we have people like you to point out the obvious. Well Done 🤣

Su-57 will win hands down ! because of the new kind of radars it has, it can not only detect F-22 but detect from farther distances. furthermore its missiles are better/faster. even a Su-30 can spook AMRAM missiles. Su-57 has 3D thrust vectoring / F22 has only 2D. 👍🙂

@@pravindahiya719 you sure? Let's wait til they face each other.

@@pravindahiya719 funny how the su-57 chases f-22 in terms of superiority. F-22 is old compared to SU-57 but still f-22s are superior that its counterpart. 👌

@@pravindahiya719 Just because India thought about buying the 57, then decided not to.......that should be rhe first indication that you are WRONG. Russia cant give them away.

Its a choreographed show not an actual dogfight genius.

frank vitale Its play for people watching, dear lord chill.

***** Ofc it is, its God damn airshow.

***** Ofc you can i watched one every second day for 2 years while in air defence. You clearly see they aint even trying, flying around in circles for show dont be silly.

+Mike Barlow Now? That MiG is almost 30 yrs old. And original MiG engines was smoky

THANK YOU someone with a brain. It comes down to the pilot. A Mig can tie up an F22 and F15 on paper. But in the end these tests are done without supporting aircraft like AWACS. The American planes dominate the skies like they did in Desert Storm. Hell Saddam's forces even tried burying their planes in sand!

MrHabernet ROFL i didn't know that!

MrHabernet Saddam got beaten up because he refuse to do trade in US dollar.

MrHabernet There was no contest during the Gulf war due to the technology of the Iraqi Air-force and the training of the pilots and support crew where substandard at best. The USA always talks about how badly they kicked Saddam's arse which is like getting mike Tyson to fight a first year school boy. During the Second gulf war their armed forces were falling apart and most of his army was ready to surrender the second they had the chance.

You mean f-35? Right? Because f-22 never lost to an f-16 once, that was f-35 that got beat up. Research it.

@768PP let the Mig get behind the 16 and we will see how things go from there

MiG-29 vs F-16 MiG can Down F-16??

@768PP Mig 29 did a Scissor to get away, unfortunately the F-16 got a nice missile launch when the Mig came hard right after his big turn.

It is what we call a compliant dogfight

@@F5Storm1 that's not how dog fights work. better pilot will always be behind better equipment. this case it must of been both. you earn the right to be on you opponents 6 its not given.

I fly RC Planes, we see things through a different prism due to actual flying experience.

this show

***** dont forget the fact that there are AA missiles now adays and u dont need to be 100 meters behind your target

The Cobra is a nice airshow maneuver but would be near suicidal in an actual fight. Anything that uses up energy / kills airspeed is a very bad idea. Though it is possible that one could cause an overshoot with any number of energy absorbing maneuvers, the more likely outcome is a missile or cannon shell up your tail.

Mig-29's have the turning radius of a 200 car freight train.

so why didn't he get the upper hand? Paid off like a boxer taking a fall? Hung over? I mean seriously, why would he NOT want to show off the true capabilities of an airplane you fly and are very proud of? I think the Mig 29 is a very attractive..very cool plane. However the video looks like the f-16 was behind him every step of the way. I understand how someone would have a hard time with a fighter that is mostly used as a bomber admitting that it out turns a very respected fighter..the mig. I understand brother.

Pablo Jay Go back to CNN

Wiley Black Says the guy who told me in another post how the Mig 29s which flew out of Serbia had faulty equipment when they went against US and NATO aircraft and got shot down, so thats called a FACEPALM where I come from lad, go back to RT.

Pablo Jay I never said that

Wiley Black Yes you did but not on this video, the other one you replied to me on. Thats the problem when you spin a web of lies, you need a really good memory to pull it off :P

Pablo Jay I never said go back to RT

Yes, me too.

Yeah right... and i saw Santa :D

christian ace Smoke = Older versions of the MiG-29(this Polish MiG-29), the Russian army has new versions, they do not smoke)))

but this dogfight is staged, of course the polish airforce would like their newest fighter to beat their older.

whats worse.. the f-16 is not an air superiority fighter. interceptor and ground attack mostly. if it cant win against the f-16, its doomed against f15s,18s,and 22s.

Ole Lund Lucky for the mig that it was staged. Every time they met in actual combat the mig lost. Every time.

Rodney McKay The evaluation of the latest Mig 35 against both the F22 and F35 makes sobering reading. They are both way behind in every area especially speed and manouverability. The Mig 50 is something else again

tony hartstone Sorry the Tupolev 50

Same goes for the f 16

Same for the f 16

Really? I think Israeli F-16s already downed mig-29s. Just saying 🤷🏻‍♂️

в 1992 году в США поводились учебные бои между F-15 и Су-27 ВВС России и американские пилоты и самолеты показали себя не с лучшей стороны как в учебных боях,так и сточки зрения гостеприимства

кто где кагда ево сбил,и какова года был миг,и кто был пилотом,и США могут только бомбить ковровыми бомбёжками,или когда "беспелотная зона",история войн это показывает. или против ирака,ливии ? ирак и ливия не переворужались вот и проиграли,а вот с ираном бадаца передумали,да еслиб Россия была слаба её бы как ирак или ливию. но нет чтото их горячий пыл удерживает. Но Россия это не Ирак или Ливия,а Китай или Индия. Привыкли Амерекосы воевать стеми у каво только вилы в руках,а потом себя в грудь бьют,мол какие они сильные.

that's right! But idk how much you know about aircraft but i'm sure you would agree that avionics and pilots training are a huge factor in combat! The only time when the mig 29 met western aircraft in combat was kosovo (Iraq 1991 i think that the iraqi pilots were not so good...) where may be an f 16 was shot down by mig 29(?) and about half of serbian mig 29 were shot down by allied aircraft (5 i guess) But we (the west) could see them way before they could see us, thanks to the AEW aircraft (the aim 120 were guided to targets through data shared with AEw planes). But Venezuelan pilots when they were ask to choose between the mig 29 smt (not the mig 35 they'are different) they did prefer the f 16 and ask for a better plane than the mig 29. So it is impoderable wich aircraft it is better than the other. Just remeber this in the vietnam war mig 19s shot down f 4 and over Lebanon 1982 mig 23 shot down f 15s and f16s...

после падения берлинской стены проводились учебные бои в германии между F-16 и МиГ-29 и МиГ продемонстрировал небольшое преимущество,несмотря на то,что у F-16 была самая продвинутая на то время авионика

barbagianny I know about the training factor. Air to air training is so important that the U.S. military opened Top Gun and Red Flag to train pilots. But in simple aircraft comparison I prefer the F-16. Did you see how the Mig-29 smoked? That gives away your position. Not a good thing.

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+Anthoney Tracey lol

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the mig has a sustained turn rate of 23 while the f-16 has 21 so the mig can turn close the circle faster meanin that it has better turning capability...................

thefightingace Actually the Mig 29 has a sustained turn rate of 16. As proven at the air show in London when it was first seen by the west. The best the F16 could mange was 18 as flown by a General Dynamics lead test pilot at the time. Do some research before spitting out numbers

Walk up the canopy? Not sure what you mean but angle off target matters more than position. Radar is in the front, missile light off the rail forward, guns fire forward. You can be looking at your opponent's exhaust trail all day and still be unable to shoot. Most missiles can't be fired under high g-load anyway, imagine all the things that could go wrong while a 500lb rocket is sliding off the rail at 7, 8, or even 9 G. It would be exerting a load of 4500lbs on the rail. On paper it would be a very even fight. Likely it would come down to pilot skill, and missile technology. In a quick fight it it very even, but in a drawn out scissors/turning fight, I favor the -29 simply b/c it has more fuel, can use afterburner more, and maintain energy.

But as you can see, the F16 got the upper hand in a short time. If it wanted to stay on it's six, it would be stupid to pull the reticle up over the aircraft as you would take a smaller turn and "intercept"... Staying in the same circle means that you control it. Couldn't kill it with a gun without breaking the circle, but when you see how it was outperformed in the first turn it isn't really any doubt that it could. Wonder why the Mig with more power didn't go vertical instead.

the polish airforce is cheap

Poles is the Air Force, about burning money, how much money you spend on the military?

@@maksim1856 yes it has. Iraq war, Kosovo, etc.

@@maksim1856 they suck in real battle, like in Iraq..

@@dona.doni.69 iraq suck on battle.like all Arabians.

@@cgee2224 Yeah, and in Kosovo wars for every single Serbian plane there was deployed like 40 aircraft from NATO forces, that's where all your legends about air superiority come from, bombing countries with hundred times less resources, while actually sucking in real conflicts, world wars, conflicts with more serious Arab nations, etc.

@Zayed Haroon nowadays for the cost of 5th and possibly maybe 6th gen air crafts they will be lucky to get 1 squadron built and maintained anyways they wont have the experience like the U.S. and Russian pilots have. old weapons and SAMS were cheaper awhile ago wouldn't be a threat anymore though.

Looks like this idiot doesn’t know how to film

lazgkhn No one uses film 🤦🏻‍♂️

MiG-29 Can Kill The F-16 Fighting falcon.. in the Doghfight...🤦😃🤣

@@ammarmuslim9918 Not in a gun battle, in close, F-16 out turns it easily.

+Kevin Calderón Román The glorious Falcon is far above the Shit-29

lol

+Kevin Calderón Román You mean MiG with a MiG?

+Kevin Calderón Román : That shit just can't compare with F-16 LOL...

+ZR1Terror Next time put in a russian pilot.

Only because the 'show' need it.

f 16 will shit hot bricks in combat with a mig 29

mig 29 pilot wasnt trying ... and also in a combat scenario the mig wuld go to high altitude becouse there it berforms best and also that was the f16 block 60... that was dogfighting a MiG-29A...it shuld be more comparable to a MiG-29M

+Vrbas Jimmy Page Actually, it is a Block 52 f-16, and its climb rate is higher - 310m/s, which makes it ALMOST equal to the MiG in a dogfight. It was not a dogfight, of course.

+Vrbas Jimmy Page I think Mig-29 has better climb rate only on low altitudes. Climb to 10 kilometers for clean Mig-29 with half of fuel capacity takes 45 seconds, and F-16C doing it for 35 seconds. Mig-29 with 6 missiles does 360 sustained turn for 21.5 seconds at 1 km and 32 sec at 5 km. F-16C has 20.5 and 30.5 accordingly. Mig's turn at low altitudes is tighter though.

The only one advantage Mig-29 has over F-16 is that it has slightly smaller turning radius at low altitude where air combat rarely takes place. However, as altitude & speed increase, F-16 decisively gains an upper hand. F-16 is best known for its agility, aka, transient performance, an ability to quickly & seamlessly change from one maneuver to the next. Although, F-16 is rather an old design, as far as agility is concerned, it is still second to none.

Everything is not published.

None of that is published 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@KATAERO1

It won either way, but good points

george gkoutis Any Mig will loose from the F16 .

The Mig would get smoked either way. And comparing a jet from the 70s to a prototype with only 3 built is fucking stupid

Stupid OK I might be according to you tiny little brain but its a fact that Russia's jets fuck any western plane in close combat anyday.just cruise around the net and see what the experts say.

george gkoutis Why should we cruise arround and watch for what "experts" say when we have here a perfect proof to watch?

Stanley6296 all i can see is that the Fulcrum turns tighter than the Falcon

Wasn't the MiG 29's thrust advantage the reason it beat the F/A-18 in training exercises in the early 90's? (it's rhetorical).

RD-33 has slightly more thrust than an F404 but weighs more and is only good for around 4000 hours before a rebuild. Mig-29 is a lightweight fighter where as the F/A-18 D/E is a large heavy multi role ground attack aircraft with fighter attributes.

Yea well they lack pilots cuz they had no Rubles cuz of Ronnie Ray Gun drove yall into the poor house. Then you had a drunk steal freedom from you his name was Senior premier drunk Yeltsin. After him ya thought a KGB would be good lolz WTF is it with Russians do they teach them to be stupid or are they born that way??

It didn't help them much. That's why 12 Mig 29s were shot down by F 15s and F 16s.

The Mig was turning inside the 16 every turn. Maybe you should watch again.

Beautiful airshow maneuvers.

bigmac So now you are contradicting yourself and saying that the Poles, who are not friendly towards Russia, told the pilots: "Make sure the old Russian plane we got for free beats the F16 we just paid millions for".... Yeah right... Maybe you should watch the video where the new Super Hornets wargame with those same MIGs when the Germans owned them and couldn't beat them until the German pilots told them how to do so by staying out of IR range and use their modern Radar and Radar missiles against the 30 year old Radar systems on the MIGs, which as they noted would not work against modern MIGs which have exceptional Radar systems and Radar missiles. Maybe you should read the Luftwaffe pilot who was the former squadron commander of those same MIGs where he says at under 20km he is unbeatable in the MIG against anything we have including the newest block 50 F16... Don't believe our propaganda, the Russians build some exceptional aircraft. Aircraft good enough that Lockheed-Martin bought the plans to the YAK41 back in 1991, Americanized it and called it the F35...

All bullshit!

​@@karenaudreytodd There is some truth to your statements, there is some pretty big flaws here as well. I concur that the F16 didn't pull enough lead to get a shot until just before they broke off (it's why the fight ended), and would like to point out that they clearly set up the fight so the F16 started in an advantageous position. That said, the comments you're referring to about under 20km were made pre Aim-9x, when US fighters lacked high off boresight IR missiles of their own. The ability to aim missiles at crazy angles just by looking at the enemy was huge for the time. Realistically, US jets now have that same capability in the 9x. You can make a decent argument for the Mig-29 in a guns only dogfight, but realistically the US's AMRAAM is superior to anything the Russians can field and the radar also been upgraded since then. Realistically, US jets would win the fight 90% of the time before it ever came down to that 20km range and the biggest advantage German jets had with R-73's high off boresight capabilities isn't really a factor anymore.

Nonsense. No one uses pencils in space because of the lost particles floating around and it's a fire hazard.

​@@michaelsublet3283they did took pencils this is was documented on Discovery Channels documentary on NASA visiting the Mir space station.

+Akky 9900 How did you come to the conclusion that Pakistani pilots are better skilled than USAF pilots?

+George-- Here's the thing, it's not the US. citizen that's wants war. There is a group of powerful people call them Bilderbergers, Illuminati, International Bankers, Skull and Bones, Masons, whatever, that's the problem. Common folks want no part of war. Unfortunately we have limited world news here due to a controlled media. I respect Putin because he recognizes this like a lot of other world leaders. Putin is lucky because he has enough weight to push back. Recently the bull crap about climate change, Russia has no interest in it and Putin says so. You do remember Russia and Afghanistan war, Russia after WW2 taking eastern European countries as satellite nations. How about the recent Ukraine conflict? Russia is no innocent babe on this planet either. Yeh we're the latest in the middle east, one of many. How about France and Napoleon stealing relicts and Germany? Then again look at the United Nations. I can tell you for a fact a lot of knowledgeable people want that institution gone from our country. Let someone else be their military and clean up the CRAP they can't. Then there is the Catholic Church and the Inquisition. That lasted hundreds of years. That started with the Knights Templar and Carthars. Both knowing to much and France was in debt to the Templars. How about Islam. If your not Islamic your an Infidel, really? There is a lot of good people on this earth that don't need that abuse. There is a lot more.

+Akky 9900 You are a comedian aren't you? I mean that is just the funniest load of utter HORSES BOLLOCK'S I have EVER seen to be published on the internet, since it's inception. You are a star and should have your own television program. (If you are serious though, I suggest you seek help immediately!)

Why are you hiding from the TRUTH. Hopefully your DELUSIONAL that's the best excuse you what I wrote is historical .

PS where were you educated? I'll bet public school.

Any proof but Pakistan downed su 30 mki and a mig 21 with proof Tea was fantastic