F-22 vs Rafale HUD Footage Breakdown with Gonky 

At 9G, the Frenchman experienced what it's like to weigh the same amount as the average American. I'd cry too.

Mover: Say hello gonky Gonky: hello gonky Mover: yep

FYI. The last disclaimer in french in the video says it all. “Beware, this video doesn’t demonstrate the superiority of the rafale over the the F22 in any way. We don’t know the rules of engagement, and what led to this situation. It only demonstrate that the rafale is a capable aircraft compared to most modern aircraft in dogfight “. No comment on the garbage article though... great video as usual. :)

Latest DCS patch notes for the Mirage 2000: Updated G-strain to be more French.

I loved the t-38 kill at the beginning. Using the car analogy anyone who's been at a drag strip on any weekend you see some the best built, best running, cars getting owned by the dude who built a junkyard Foxbody in his garage because he's having the night of his life

The national interest online literally posts this article on f-22 vs rafale once a month and has for years. Whoever the writer/editor is for that site is a complete tool.

The text in French in the video says: "Warning! This video doesn't show in any case the superioty of the Rafale on the F-22, we do not know the engagement rules and what has happened seconds before. It only shows that the Rafale is as capable as other contemporary fighters."

Did Gonky just climb out of an F-18?? Because he has some wicked helmet head!!!

"Say hello Gonky!" "Hello Gonky!" I like this fella already.😂

During WW 2 there were German pilots with six years of experience and hundreds literally of kills who were shot down by pilots with less than a years experience and just a handful of kills. Eric Hartman was shot down nine times while getting 352 kills. Sometimes you have a bad day.

That article at the start reads like high-school newspaper level writing

GONKY always has the tired young dad haircut. Love it. :D

Love this breakdown. I have a close friend who was a F-15c driver and flew chase for the Raptors during the testing. He would be the first to say the F-22 was a better airplane, but so much depends on the pilot and how the aircraft is handled. 2009 the aircraft was still new and the way to fight the plane has evolved a lot since then. Plus we don't know the details of this pilot.

F22 : “You can't beat me!“ Rafale : “Hold my baguette... “

So at the end of the day, beyond the hardware and tactics, the French bashing and US ego, the knowns and unknowns... this French pilot is better than his American counterpart

At 7:17 the french video underlines that this in no way shows the rafale is superior to the f-22 , and caution must be taken because we know nothing about the rules of engagement, nor do we know what happened before this footage. (Translated by Lemoine as "Oui oui mademoiselle, baguette formidable tour Eiffel) 🙂

Here I am, a little Frenchy glider pilot, paying respect to American and French fighter pilots ! Thanks for keeping our skies safe, hope these trainings can strengthen us together !

Another great chat. Good to see Gonky again! Hope you pressured him for more ReadyRoom content behind the scenes.

Obviously, that French pilot slept in a Holiday Inn Express the night before. Don't laugh, take any edge you can get.

“This is the Frenchy-est g-strain I’ve ever heard.” 😂😂

gonky: straight out of bed and on to the stream 😎

I remember Até's analysis of this fight (and being a bit more agressive on the French pilot for not calling all the fox-2 kills he could have done). For him, it looked like the F-22 pilot was simulating worse piloting skills to test the rafale, which was a new airplane in 2009. The ultimate conclusion was the same though : the pilot is the most limiting factor in air to air combat, moreso with latest generation airplanes limited to 9G-ish turns to avoid having somme goo instead of a pilot on the seat. (by the way, the 1990's variant, the rafale A, was a mirage 2000 with two F/A-18 engines and a new looking silhouette with nice curves... A proof of concept for a joint European fighter program which became the eurofighter, program later abandonned by France as they whished to have only one aircraft type in their entire fleet with a variant capable to land on a carrier)

Fan of russian fighters here, and of the french Rafale too (that not of the french). This competition says nothing about the f-22. The said plane is a marvel and sure it is more capable than the Rafale, in almost all areas, which is also a great plane which excels specially at low speeds, but mayb the F-22 pilot underestimated the french pilot and that would be all (or maybe not precisely the best pilot for a plane like the F-22). I'd also like to remind many of those who insist on throwing crap on the f-22 in what it comes to dogfighting capabilities at low speed, and let's be honest because it is an american plane as well, that this plane can do stuff at low speeds (in other words at dogfighting speed) the french plane would only dream of. And for those who hate the f-22 because they think the f-23 should have been the winner, let me also remind you about one thing. The F-23 was basically an interceptor, not a dogfighter-interceptor like the F-22. The F-23 is one of the most incredible planes we've known of, but besides the aforementioned "problem", Northrop relationship by then with the USA goverment wasn't the best (the problems with the b-2 bombers), and if you think the F-22 couldn't be more expensive, that is because you cannot imagine how much more expensive the F-23 was among other things because of the tech it contained in order to maintain its stealh capability at the frigging high speeds this plane was able to achieve (interceptor speeds), which btw remains clasified to this day (I think it would be around 2800KM/h. Not as fast as the MiG-31, but still faster than any other interceptor that exists. Also, achieving those 3200KM/h for the Mig-31 takes a while, and can't maintain it for long. The F-23 was supposed to be able to maintain those high speeds for long and while remaining stealhty, which was a miracle of tech=$$$). So yeah, the F-23 was so cool and that, but the F-22 could at least engage the enemy in a dogfight and was way more agile, primary reason (along with the $$$ one) it won the contest. The F-22 is an incredible plane which doesn't have to be the lesser one compared to the F-23. It's just different. If we want to throw crap on an american plane, then we might begin with the F-35 heheh. Nah just joking, but some decisions on this plane like that very reduced max speed really makes someone wonder how a pilot is supposed to scape the enemy in case it is needed. Fuck even the new F-18 has more max speed than the F-35 wth?, and yeah talking about the F-18. I think it is simply the best plane overall ever created, btw still one of the best at low speeds. I think an F-18, a plane way older than the Rafale, would be very capable of defeating the french plane in close combat. In my honest opinion, the only plane capable of beating an F-22 piloted by a true ace would be either the SU-37 terminator (and the SU-35 now too), and perhaps the SU-47 Berkut that so sadly never came to be. All this of course in case the russian planes manage to get (force) the F-22 pilot into a dogfight, because prior to that they should have to evade many middle to long range missiles the Raptor would have thrown at them without being detected, and those missiles..., well, you know how effective they can be, and how fast they are actually. This ain't Ace Combat ok?, dodging missiles specially those ones is not easy. The F-22 very well might still be the best air superiority aircraft, even nowdays. And yes It is also probably better than the cheap SU-57 russian copy.

Love the breakdown videos !

Mig-23s were bagging new mig-29 pilots when they were introducing them in the soviet airforce, so it is not surprising to see raptors losing from time to time.

Glad I survive the French (funny) bashing! :D Very cool video, very interesting to have a murican PoV of this, as in France on forums and Facebook it is a video i saw too many times with some stupid cocky comments (the propaganda is doing its job right). And i am glad you say the same things as me, basically : it freakin DEPENDS. By the way we have a former Navy Rafale pilot that have a RU-vid Chanel (ATE chuet), and he speaks English (amazing) . Would be very cool to see you both discussing about this video and situation, he could probably answer about the few questions you have. Ah, and he is also playing DCS. Just sayin! ;)

Funnily, the Rafal pilot always spoke in English, but his accent is so strong that Mover thought he was speaking French. 😊

chuck "yeager" got this video demonetised. unbelievable!

Haha, le mec se moque du crie du pilote de Rafale ! Il a juste le gros seum !!🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷

In summary: "Oh yeah? Well MY dad could beat up YOUR dad!"

I once beat 3 F-22’s in my Cessna 152. The navy called my and made me a top gun instructor.

Love these types of videos! Also love when you have Gonky on the channel.

It’s a good day when I see mover upload a breakdown.

"American stealth fighter is not literally invincible in all situations and against all opponents" is the kind of thing you'd say "no shit" to. Especially when stealth fighters were and remain a fairly new technology (yes, I know the F-117 was called a stealth fighter, but that thing carried zero air-to-air capability and was quite obviously a stealth bomber) and they were still figuring out how to best use them. Saying that an F-22 is beatable in a pure dogfight is like saying that a sniper is not super dangerous in close-quarters combat; no shit, but getting into a CQC fight as a sniper means you've already fucked up badly.

Thank you for adding bookmarks throughout your videos! Enjoy the vids !

that raptor got owned.

Its fair to say that while a fighter can be superior to another fighter, it all comes down to the pilot's training and awaress at a given point...

The Rafale's HUD shows a tracking symbol on the F-22. Box or circle with single/double lines which is probably determined by the Rafale's selected weapon mode and MARM. This means the Rafale's radar and/or IRST is tracking the F-22 for the Rafale's avionics system to determine the F-22's position and display it in the Rafale's HUD. So is the F-22 carry external fuel tanks which will negate the steal of the F-22? How small is the F-22's radar and thermal signature, or alternatively how good is the Rafale's sensors?

Loved Gonky's reaction when Mover was busting the pilot's balls for his noises during g-strain...LOL!! The conversation about the factors in combat was great though.

Enjoyed this video, thanks guys!

"Vintage 1990's Rafale" Do someone in US takes seriously what that website says ?

National Interest Me: First thing wrong spotted _immediately_

Thank you for sharing guys I enjoyed it

A grown educated man laughing at the funny looking and sounding non english words...

Which one of your redair buddies shot that T-38 HUD footage Mover? No way you showed that video by mistake.

I my opinion this doesn't take anything away from the Raptor as a modern capable fifth generation fighter, but I think the problem is with people's perception and mentality nowadays. People tend to have a naive and to some degree immature black and white mentality on most issues. What we see here today doesn't really say much about the F-22's capabilities or lack thereof, that aircraft was never promised as an 'Invincible' fighter. Of course it can be beaten, both in a dogfight and possibly in BVR too. So I guess what I am saying is that people have this naive and unrealistic mental image of what the F-22 is and they get shocked to find out that it wasn't what they imagined it to be.

As a retired Army guy I am curious if this wasn't a dissimilar introduction, to give the visitor a taste of a different generation system, and how it feels when in the same environment, and how to work either with and/or against?

During WW2 the Pacific theatre was won by the US navy mostly because they brought back their fighter aces regularly in order to aid training the new guys and share experiences, whereas the Japanese kept their best pilots out in the field. This resulted in the new pilots coming in without enough experience nor training and resulted in further losses. So, more than the aeroplanes being used it was the quality of training and experience of the pilots that counted in the end. Correct me if I am wrong...

Don't know warm spit about current A/A Tactics but I do appreciate simple physics. Every well trained pilot avoids engagements where he does not have a clear advantage (be it altitude, airspeed, armament, or skill).

This type of videos are good because it reminds to anglo-saxons speakers that there are other countrys like France that have excellent airplanes as good as F-22 or F-35. Sometimes they get too cocky that's all.

also i love your vids i am not able to drive yet but your vids have been getting me into the airforce like wanting to be in it when i grow up so thank you.

Great break down and commentary keeping it real

I think the fact that the US denied the shoot down, and then France was like “bet” is hilarious to me

I thank both of you for your very relevant comments. Great respects for the engineers who designed these wonderfull fighters, for the mechanics who take care of them and for the men and women who fly them and defend their respective nation and people.

Its always fun when these guys get together

Did Gonky go Supersonic? He started in his "I Love Me Wall" room and switched to a non-descript room. Whoosh!

Conclusion : As always no good plane without a good pilot Love from France

Just curious (if it isn’t OPSEC), what’s your guys’ kill to loss record?

Enjoyed the video, thanks

It's funny that the comments is full of explanations why this shouldn't count. Like th F-22 was some magical creature that was invincible. Of course it could loose on a bad day.

"Hi steve how you doing" "I t d e p e n d s"

SO why was the video de monetized? I watched the whole thing, I did not come across any vulgar or offensive language.

You can't expect everybody to be as good as you guys you guys are just kicking ass

another good video great break down .

In the IDF, and in IAF, it's all about the human behind the weapon/machine. Back in 1967, better trained Israeli pilots beat Arab airforces that had superior and far many airplanes.

LASTLY , THE ABILITY OF THE PILOTS MATTERS THE MOST .

Phenomenal video 🤘🏻

Hey Lemoine What's your opinion about VRS F-18 From Superbug for FSX/P3D??

There's a lot of the 'the better trained will win' in the martial arts world, too. Know your tools and use them well, and the numbers won't decide the outcome.

Hey Mover. Do you mind asking Gonky if he was in Malaysia back in 2016. That was the year F22 Raptor and F15 Eagle did dissimilar combat training with the Royal Malaysian Air Force. I wonder if he was involved in that exercise

Thanks guys. Very honest review. Cheers

If someone can help me break down the second HUD footage since I lost track and have a bit of trouble of wrapping my brain with what's going on. The F-22 lost visual on the Rafael, so it just circled around until it went "Oh, he's behind me" and then pushed the plane hard like he would've been doing if he had proper visual. This is near the end of the second half of the HUD. So basically. Lost visual?

if you fly a f22 or f35 and you walk into a dogfight, you probably fked up

« The Frenchiest bla bla bla » My good sir, with a name such as Lemoine, you want to respect your ancestors a little more, especially when that French guy ends up lecturing supposedly the most potent asset your air force has... Nevermind...

Cool video guys, great to get your thoughts

its so pathetic with the anerican escuses. everytime they loose they start with classified and then escuses. the pilot have forgot to brush his teeth, wrong pants

French pilots are simply better than american ones. And the Rafale is damn sexy

Well now we need cockpit footage of Mover pullin 9Gs... and maybe the French G suites have a groin component, you don't know... jkjk great video :D

Thanks guys, that was much more informative than watching another version as I'm NOT a fighter pilot. Best wishes.

Nice video and reasonable arguments. Salutations from France.

Before acm in Vietnam it was a 3-1 kill ratio after those classes it was up to 10-1 kill that goes to show as pilots we are getting smarter and better equipped but an aircraft is only a machine controlled by an imperfect being that makes mistakes but what makes them better is they train and become a master

You just need to agree that the rafale beat the raptor in a ‘dogfight’. That’s some incredible dogfighting by the French pilot. Plus, the delta wing config gives a very good advantage to rafale in a Dogfight. Engaging the rafale below 20000ft to a dogfight is stupidity for any aircraft pilot. The raptor definitely has a stealth advantage, but I believe rafales EW system and sensor suite is more capable than the raptor. I believe a better comparison for the rafale would be the f35 and rafale. I think the raptor is unbeatable at bvr if they’re aware that the rafales are in the scene. The rafale has a very good passive sensor suite that can pick up stealth aircraft. Remember, these rafales penetrated Libyan airspace for ground attacks with zero air cover.

What is your opinion about Croatia as a potential buyer of F-16's from block 70,do you think its the best option for Croatia,because there's 3 more options.Sweden GripenC/D,F-16 Barracks from Israel,and French Rafales.What do you think is the best option

Is there a mechanism for preventing pilots from hyperventilating or are they not really breathing so hard and so fast?

Dude that french guy sounds like me on a fst doing the breathlizer test

Great analysis guys. Really interesting to see just how much skill is involved in aerial combat. Cheers

C.W. Lemoine salt concentration raising faster than Rafales MICA was homming into that F22 ass 😂😂😂 . At least Gonky was there to elevage the debate !

I new gonky was going to say hello to himself lol love the dude you too mover !

David Ace. ‘Nuff said. He started off doing a webcomic, whatever that is.

Maverick he is bugging out and going home

Mover I see a bit of controversy on the DCS forums, saying the Viper can or cannot carry 6 Mavericks or 4 HARMS. Have you carried them?

"My rifle is better than yours and I'm an expert marksman!" "You walked into my ambush and I waxed you ass."

Lemoine sounds as American as apple pie, ou plutôt tarte aux pommes !

Yeah, I think the conclusion resume everything, it was more non-pilot vs. non-pilot; because it makes no doubt the rafale is a good plane, and it was into good hands, and everyone knows the F22 is an awesome plane. It’s actually just good that French and Americans are on the same side. I have no doubt the French pilot would have high respect for the F22 and its pilot and well as all American fighter pilots. As a French that lived in Texas for a while, and now consider myself as a Texan most of the time, I hate when either country reps are pushing their PA narrative. That’s all for the clicks and views anyway... As the POTUS would say: “Wrong! You are Fakenews!’

The commentators are so funny on this, hey Frenchman, in a French made plane, flying for the French air force speak english. This is why waiters in France are rude, hey French man, in France serving us French food, speak english.

Great to hear Gonky mention "SA". Situational Awareness. would be great for you to work this into some future discussion

Raptors, articles...the only thing I want to say is "TOMCATS!"

French pilot pulled 9.2G for a few seconds… Maybe he did earn a win by going balls to the wall?

I'd like to emphasize the las slide "Be careful : in no way this video demonstrates any superiority of Rafale over the F-22. We do not know the ROE neither what happened during the preceding seconds before the video. But only (demonstrate) the ability of Rafale to maneuver in a flight domain similar to its contemporaries."

Not sure anyone thought the F-22 was invincible. It's an odds game assuming equal pilot skill in both aircraft, and I'm sure those numbers are out there some where. W/L records for various aircraft against different platforms in a BFM engagement. The fact that the F22 was even considered "invincible" says alot. It's a design from the early 2000's and still dominant to such a degree. Every pilot knows their platform is not invincible, and have lost multiple times during war games....and the Raphael is an amazing aircraft and clearly had a good pilot. That said, the omission of the comms from the F22 is pretty telling. I believe Lemoine had a former F-15 and F-22 pilot on (if not Lemoine, that interview is online for sure) that said he got his butt waxed when he switched to the F22 in a merge by an F-16. He learned quickly that, even in the F22, theirs no substitute for learning the platform and he can't pull the stick any ole' way. That said, SA is the number 1 killer. I'd say Lemoine is right on the money.