It was pretty widely considered to be a good chassis... by the standards of the 2015 grid anyway. GPS analysis back then put it about level-peggging with the Ferrari, but behind Mercedes, Red Bull and (surprisingly) Toro Rosso. This remained the case into 2016 too (minus Toro Rosso, as they fell back into the midfield). The Honda engine really was just terrible. I mean even in this video there isn't a huge difference in straight line speed, despite the Formula 2 car 'only' having 630bhp.
The chassis was not that bad and their pace at tracks lile Monaco, Hungary or COTA on wet conditions proves it. The main problem was that as the engine was shit they had to go with a lot less downforce to at least have a decent speed on the straights so they had to sacrifice a bit of performance in the corners.
I think the reason of this is because F2 cars are lighter so more easy to handle in low-speed corners, and of course, aerodynamics are much better on 2019 F2 car compare TO 2016 f1 car.
Sampoerna Dianto That was true in 2015, it was a team failure. Then in 2016 was significantly improved, and relationship between McLaren and Honda was improving. And then Honda came up with their 2017 engine, which not only was still down on power but consistently fell apart after a few laps. They used an entire seasons worth of engines in about 3 days of testing... and McLaren lost faith in them.
@@user-gu1hl2kx2k The engine was so bad because they sacrificed it for tighter bodywork. Ironically, the car was slow in that department too, so they ended up slow and unreliable in every part of the car
2 WDCs for you haha. But the best driver can only make the most out of a flaming dumpster of a car. Sucks that Button and Alonso's careers ended on whimpers instead of bangs but they have already been forever immortalized in F1 history.
And the funny thing: Alonso was right about this, but to be fair, the 2015s GP2 was also slower than the 2019s and F1 in general was slower than today...... But its interesting how weak the 2015s McLaren was. A combination of a weak engine and an even weaker chassis. You can indeed see the instability of that car.
The car was inestable because of how low downforce they could put into it because of the huge power deficit they had, similar to what is happening to Ferrari this year.
@@daddihassana3138, because he doesnt feel anything about the car, you mean.... Really? He feel everything, but his usual stereotype was..... Simple lie... Tday he act another, more profesional way, but too late bro... 😁. His personality is tru cult, but i dont know why, seriously, other way i can say, Mclaren and Honda have forever shining future, alonso not. Only downhil.... Because thousands of bad unpleasant reasons... 😉
Toyota doesn't have any competitor when he ran at Le Mans. They are the only one running LMP1 Hybrid so it's just a walk in the park. Put him in a Toyota when Porsche was still racing and it'd mean something.
This year's f2 pole lap is 3 seconds faster than the slower F1 Q1 session time...with that time this f2 could have made it to Q2 in the F1 qualifying session.
The top speed and acceleration on the straitght at the beginning of the video was higher in in 2015 than his 2019 lap Just by looking at the on bord. You clearly see 2015 has already pulled away.
Just wow, i knew That mclaren honda was slow but i didnt think it was that slow, just like alonso said even if he strapped a rocketship he would not be fast.
adib z When you don’t have enough power on the straights you need to reduce downforce to gain speed. First and second sectors are faster than the third, so presumably they decided to sacrifice aero to get a “better” lap time.
@@charliedk227, 2nd.sector was catastrophical, forever too eager on gas, he lost everything on out of corner acceleration. Third sector was about batteries, not Alonso fault. But, he should stfu, you know the term, Profesionalism.... 😉
2015 engines and 2019 F2 Engines sound so much better than F1 cars today 2020. Don’t care if it makes them faster that’s still competition by getting slower engines
People keep defending the Honda in the comments and saying the chassis is to blame. No matter how bad that chassis was it doesn't make sense that both cars arrived at turn 1 roughly the same time. Honda seriously fucked up and under budgeted the development. It was seriously down on power and horrible reliability led to it being detuned all the time
@@RO-lh8ir it is frustrating though because Honda really robbed us of seeing Alonso put up some great drives. Sure the only person you can blame for your career is yourself. I could care less about some manufacturers reputation rather then a great driver. Honda were stubborn from the start in there design and failed to realize the competitiveness of F1. Wouldn't change design and wouldn't invest more until they got with Toro Rosso (Red Bull). Wouldn't doubt that they gave Alonso an engine that wasn't going to last at the Indy 500. It's politics that held them back with McLaren
Cosmo Kramer didn’t McLaren force Honda into the size zero concept? And then Honda had to throw it all away after 2016 to start a brand new concept? Honda was not alone in this failure here, McLaren couldn’t get it done with a Merc engine in 2014.
@@laneweaver3562 they were faster in 2014 and got a podium. The 14 maca wasn't bad. And you think because they had a shrunk down rear end forced Honda to fail. The thing was a piece of shit. It had ERS failure, piston failure and just about everything else wrong with it. Besides the cars now are smaller then the 2015 McLaren
Not so much these days on the engine side, redbull say ...'thank you Fernando'... should have kept his mouth shut... considering he's not getting a decent drive at Indy because of it... shame because i would have liked to see him at the front (he's one of the best after all..)
