@@charleseddem7042 I think you don’t understand the question. He was celebrated back in the day without social media. Now he’s not celebrated WITH social media, so you’re contradicting yourself.
worst take ive seen is Ricciardo is better than verstappen and if he was in the redbull this year he would smoke him. Bro cant even beat yuki concistently
@@YurLocalHumanif you are referring to 2018' season results, then I just want to remind you that Riccardo had 9 retirement in which 7 retirements were caused by Renault's(aka tag heuer baged engines) technical/power unit/engine issues
To be fair it's cool to see Alain Prost that far up on someone's list. While he's not my favourite driver I feel like Prost is the most underrated F1 champion of all the time. The guy's a four time world champion yet it seems like barely anyone talks about him and even when they do it's always about his rivalry with Senna.
@@BMPHF1 I can't help but think that Senna documentary from 10 years ago really tainted his image. I get that Prost was a bit of a politicking person but Senna wasn't exactly an angel himself at times. Although I suppose in F1 if you want to be champion you kinda have to have mean streak. Unless your name is Jenson Button or Mika Hakkinen of course!
I see where you're coming from however I have totally different experiences! I always see Prost rated very highly rarely outside of the Top 5 or at least Top 7! It's true that he is somewhat overshadowed by Senna's reputation but I still think he is held in very high regard. Something I rarely if ever see about Jim Clark which I find very, very sad! Albeit just being a two-time world champion the dude has not only statistics but also stories and context about his achievements that just make him the absolute best in my personal opinion! Idk why exactly but he has a special feeling to me. More than Schumacher, Prost, Hamilton and even Senna! I rate him above all of them! However the previously mentioned ones are really not far behind!
@@OhDearTheBier For me it's the other way round, when it comes to the topic of F1 GOATs, Jim Clark's name comes up way more and Prost rarely gets mentioned. I completely understand why you would rate Jim Clark as the absolute best though, you could put the guy in any kind of car and he would win or be in with a shout of winning. Whether drivers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Leclerc, Norris etc could do that we'll never know because F1 drivers can only really commit to F1 nowadays and not compete in other disciplines of racing. I guess Alonso is maybe the closest we have to Clark because he competed in WEC and won Le Mans twice but even then that's still quite the stretch!
My top 5 greatest in terms of mental proficiency, talent and achievements combined: 1. Lewis Hamilton 2. Ayrton Senna 3. Alain Prost 4. Fernando Alonso 5. Michael Schumacher
The problem with fans - they always think their opinion is superior over others. Even their viewpoint of the grounds on which you base "GOAT"list on is the only valid one. Its not so hard to understand other people look differently to the sport then you do. Always funny to see the simple minded people get frustrated about it, the opinion of someone you dont know. See the comments for examples of this behaviour
ironic that the guy posting a vid ridiculing putting hamilton outside the top 3 hearted this comment lol. Both the comments *and the video* are examples of this.
Yeah, Personally I wouldn't rank lewis In the top 3, and while I do admit I'm not a Lewis fan, It's nothing to do with him and I still rate him very highly as a driver. 7 Championships don't only come with a fast car. So I didn't like when this guy said that if you rate him outside the top 3, you either hate him or are rage baiting, because neither of those are true, it's because im a different person with different opinions, like your comment said. I'm glad there is someone out there who understands this 🤣
fangio is so underrated, in his 40s and in a time where someone would die every year, winning 5 times and holding a record for 44 years and yet everyone’s forgotten hin
So, what is it about the only black F1 driver who's equalled the championship and has broken all other records, does lots for charity, champions all types of equality, does not bad mouth other drivers, infact regularly praises them..is so loved by the Sena family that they gave him Senas helmet, that makes people hate him?
@@charleseddem7042 thats a good question brother, i cant see aaaannnyyyy reason why the sport that broke its own rules to keep the aryans on top and the fan’s from said aryan nations, would have a conscious or subconscious bias against the only black champion that is statistically the goat, it just doesnt add up???! 🤔😃
@@lukerichards4135I think people forget how loved Hamilton is. A lot of his championship were won because of his car (2017,2019,2020), because of luck (2008) and because he didn't have competitive teamate in these years. People say he was robbed in 2021 but they seem to forget Silverstone which was 100% his fault. His teammate beat the other Red bull, so why couldn't Lewis? Lewis is overrated driver and it's all propaganda that he is hated. It's the opposite
@@danielatanasov7924 your only good point there is that people maybe overlook how loved Hamilton is, despite the delusional haters, Lewis is well loved. Your other takes are utterly abysmal and i have second hand embarrassment for you. Im going to dismantle this so give me a moment. 1- ferrari had the faster car for the majority of 2017, hamilton prevailed by being better. Your bias renders you ignorant. 2- 2008 luck? Excuse me? Was it luck that saw the fia rob him of a win in spa over nothing, was it luck that saw lewis win by over a minute in Silverstone when nobody else could handle the weather. Your bias renders you ignorant. 3- did it occur to you that his team mates appeared uncompetitive in those years because he is that good…. And give me a fucking break when talking about team mates. Lewis has faced a higher calibre of team mates than any driver in history bar Prost, hes faced multiple race winners, world champions and future world champions and prevailed against them all without the need for favouritism. Other greats like Schumacher and Verstappen faced only race winners and non race winners, and still needed favouritism. Your bias renders you ignorant. 4- so we acknowledge lewis’s mistake in silverstone 21 but ignore verstappen INTENTIONALLY crashing hamilton out in monza yeah? Or running him off the road in brazil and saudi… nice to know youre consistent. You also need to consider the blatant fact that crashes and incidents are a part of the nature of the sport, RACE FIXING AND RULE BREAKING BY THE RACE DIRECTOR TO CHANGE WHO BECOMES CHAMPION IS NOT, theres a big fucking difference pal. 5- perez had literally just arrived at red bull, bottas was in his FIFTH season at mercedes, there is going to be a difference in performance. Not to mention the fact that mercedes invest in both of their drivers, unlike red bull who only back their lead, as we have seen since the dawn of time. Literal data shows that in 2021 the Mercedes was the quicker car for only 8 of the 22 rounds (1-4, 19-22) and the red bull was quicker for 14 of the rounds (5-18). Im embarrassed by your lack of critical thinking in these matters, its one rule for Hamilton and a different rule for everyone else. You hyper scrutinise every tiny detail to talk down on his achievements, yet wont do the same for any one else, which only further supports the initial claim made by the original comment. i hope you are aware that the literal statistics do not support your radical opinion, and you are in the severe minority of thought with no sources to back up your claims. Thats a sad hill to die on.
@@danielatanasov7924 Think my response didnt send so i’ll send another. - ferrari had the stronger car in 2017, lewis was simply the best driver. - luck in 08 like having a win in spa robbed by the fia for no reason, or winning silverstone by over a minute while no one else could control their car?? Yeah ok pal. - the calibre of lewis’s team mates is unmatched by anyone except prost, facing multiple world champions and not needing favouritism, unlike greats like schumacher and verstappen who faced average drivers and still needed preferential treatment. - so we acknowledge lewis’s mistake at silverstone 21 but ignore verstappen intentionally crashing lewis out in monza, or running him off in brazil and saudi. Nice to know youre consistent. - incidents are nature of the sport, theyre to be expected in a title fight, a race director breaking the rules to change the outcome of the championship is not. - mercedes support both their drivers, red bull do not, as we have seen since the dawn of time. Not to mention the fact perez just got to red bull whereas bottas was established at merc in his 5th year. For fools like you, it’s one rule for Hamilton, one rule for everyone else. But go ahead, keep running your damn mouth and further prove the original commenters point.
Schumacher was a car merchant throughout the 00s with no proper competition, won 1994 with an illegal Benneton, and pulled off 2 of the most blatant and poorly done cheating moves in the sports history in an attempt to win championships. Adelaide 94, and Jerez 97 (unrelated Monaco 06 quali deserves a mention) Prost did it deliberately in 89 to Senna and Senna returned the favour the year later. Awful behaviour but at least a bit more justified then Schumis desperate cheats
@@Tg18460 This is the reason people hate on Hamilton, because of fans like you. I can list a paragraph of bad things about Hamilton he isn't perfect so wasn't Schumacher, but I won't because I still respect his achievements even with his flaws. Why can't crybabies like you do the same?
@@Tg18460 Coff coff...Hamilton vs Verstappen, Silverstone...coff coff...same thing. So what's your point? Also, it's not cheating if the rules do not forbid certain solutions or ideas. F1 is all about finding ways to "navigate" between the lines of the rules.
@@Tg18460 bro calling schumacher a car merchant when mercedes had a absoutely 0 competioton in the mid 2010s and only got decent competition in the 2019 from an ILLEGAL ferrari is wild. I'm not even going to talk about the 2020 car.
@@ZachSawyer2077wait, you seriously think Silverstone was the same thing? Christ what a joke. No one thinks it was intentional other than crazy max fans.
Verstappen must be in the top 10, and Hamilton in the top 5 in order for the list to be considered remotely credible imo. If you want to rank Hamilton 4th or 5th, that's just fine as long as the dudes ranked ahead of him are Schumi, Clark, Fangio and Prost. Ain't no way you can argue anyone else belongs in front of Hamilton imo. As for Verstappen, he had a tremendous year last year, but he hasn't put together a body of work as long-running as other greats like Hamilton, Prost, Senna, Schumi, Vettel, Lauda etc to be a lock for the top 5. With time though, he absolutely can crack the top 5 and even become the outright greatest of all-time if he keeps it up. My ranking for the all-time greatest are: 1) Clark, 2) Prost, 3) Schumacher, 4) Hamilton, 5) Fangio, 6) Vettel, 7) Lauda, 8) Verstappen, 9) Senna, 10) Alonso. I'll occasionally move some of them up and down as I reconsider my opinion, perhaps none as drastic as Vettel(Who's been as high as 3rd and as low as 9th on my ranking).
I can get behind this as well. Clark was a beast as well from what I’ve read from drivers at the time. I never watched him live, but whenever I see quotes from drivers of the time, they’re always in awe of how he was leagues above the rest.
that is a total BS. Hamilton isnt that good just because he won 7 titles because he had huge luck in switching teams.. You should look at qualify ratio not points or titles..that is for fans. Teams look at ratio's race wins without DNF's and qualify.. For instance max didnt loose to Daniel. Daniel didnt beat verstappen as what everybody says... Perhaps in points, but that is crap comparison. Max had way more DNF's than Daniel. You should never look at points.. that doesnt say anything. Its Sainz who was Max his closest rival: Faster Qualify Sainz vs verstappen 0.06% Ricciardo vs verstappen 0.11% Gasly vs verstappen 0.45% Albon vs verstappen 0.62% Perez vs verstappen 0.46% Faster Race wins Sainz vs verstappen 54.5% Ricciardo vs verstappen 60.6% Gasly vs verstappen 90% Albon vs verstappen 88.9% Perez vs verstappen 88.1% www.racingyears.com/vs-mates/Max_Verstappen/sort1/losses1
@@bobkeul7682what a cherry picked stat that you conveniently forget is reliant on having worse teammates. Verstappen teammates are much worse than Hamiltons. Also every driver on that list got lucky with cars, including verstappen, it’s how it works.
90% of people ranking the champions can’t even name them all, and the ones they do name, they couldn’t tell you of their achievements, so their opinions are basically worthless. It’s just them listing their favourite driver, and regurgitating other people’s opinions to make the list. Most people these days who say they love Senna just as an example, have never watched a single race of his. 🤷♂️
@vinnievinnie-sj5kr basically when the FIA introduced the halo they did lots of safety testing with that and the safety screen beforehand (Indycar now uses a safety screen). The safety screen is a really durable piece of PPG supported by a halo-type titanium shape
Yeah Hamilton is undisputed #1. - Wins every single lower category he competes in, being tipped early on as one of the greatest rising stars ever seen - Greatest rookie season in history, missing out to champion Raikkonen by a single point and beating legendary defending champion team mate Alonso. - Winning the title the following year on the final turn, despite being robbed of a win in Spa by the fia, against a very strong home hero Massa. - Turning around one of the worst cars on the grid in 2009, to get McLaren winning again, and beating race winning team mate Kovalainen 2-0 across their time together. - Defeating a brilliant world champion team mate in Button 2-1 across 3 years together between 2010-2012, and being in a third final round showdown in only his 4th season, against a record 3 other legendary drivers in Vettel, Webber and Alonso. - Proves himself to be the best qualifier on the grid in a far from world beating Mercedes in 2013. - Defeats a hugely underated champion Rosberg 3-1 across their 4 years together, fighting for titles between 2014-2016, prevailing in the first two and unlucky to not bag the 16 title following reliability issues. - Reaches new heights between 2017-18, defeating a resurgent Vettel in a stronger Ferrari to win the fight for five. - Dominates the 2019-2020 seasons, with race winning team mate Bottas his closest challenger, who he beats 5-0 across their time together. - Was set to win the 2021 world title for a record 8th time despite the young and insanely talented Verstappen breaking racing rules multiple times, only for Lewis to be robbed at the final round from a certain title, by the rule breaking race director Michael Masi, yet still demonstrated grace and class immediately after the robbery. - Following a tough 2022 where he was testing radical set ups in a bid to return to the front, he claimed an oustanding 3rd in the standings with an often times 4th fastest car, before returning to winning ways in world class fashion in an ultra competitive 2024, so far ousting his young and likely future world champion team mate Russell 2-1. - set to move to Ferrari from 2025 to return them to glory alongside another likely future world champion Leclerc. He is statistically the greatest driver of all time, the most titles, wins, poles by a gargantuan margin, podiums, seasons with a win, both one of the youngest AND oldest race winners in history. He conducts himself with honour, grace and humility like a great champion would, and lastly, if you think Hamilton has had a cake walk to his success, youre out of your fucking mind. The sheer calibre he has had to face across his career, and has defeated! The quality of his team mates is unmatched by anyone except Alain Prost. The likes of Verstappen and Schumacher (who are all time greats), had way WAYYYY easier team mates to beat, and yet they still needed excessive team orders and preferential treatment, yet Hamilton has faced world champion after world champion onto the next gen of future world champions, without the need for favouritism, all the while playing the team game, and has prevailed against every single one of them , and HAS won multiple world titles without having the fastest car. These are the facts and if you chose to ignore them, you are wilfully ignorant due to bias and are therefore instantly disregarded as an unreliable source, so be silent fools.
They always had their minds lost, 90% of motorsport fans are some of the most indecisive fandoms ever, if a driver wins a championship, he is the goat, if he looses 3 races, he is washed, if he wins two races after, he is the goat again. cant make a decision for shit.
Why is Lewis necessarily in the top 3 of all time. Championships are not the sole factor when considering greatness, it just means you were at the right team at the right time. Don't get me wrong Lewis Hamilton is a great driver but I don't believe that someone not having him in their top 3 'hates him' or is 'rage baiting'. Imo driver rankings are always subjective as with half the championship relying on the quality of the car is very hard to quantify who's better than who and mainly relies on which stats a person gives more value to in their consideration when forming their opinion and many, if not most, people pick championships as their go to stat.
Preface list are stupid when ranking f1 drivers because all that really matters are WDC. I also know I might get flack for this but Lewis isn't in my top 3 if I'm pushed to make a list. However though I'll die on the hill controversial as it may be Schumacher gets off way lighter than Lewis by certain fans if Schumi is 1st Lewis is 2nd because. People go on about Bottas moving over for Lewis but Irvine and Barachiello enough said.
exactly, making lists is purely subjective as their is no objective way to compare drivers as f1 is not a spec series and even that could only compare drivers of the same generation. people value championships more than anything else when they really shouldn't as I believe than any multiple wdc could win 7 titles if they had lewis' or shumi's respective cars
I’m a lando fan but I can’t even defend him anymore, it’s like being a Ferrari fan but with only one driver. His starts is genuinely the only thing holding him back, his wheel to wheel racing is quite good but it’s his starts.
I just want to let you know, out of every F1 content creator, you are hands down the best. You seem to take breaks at times; hopefully everything in life is good with you, but I encourage you to continue consistently making videos, your videos are amazing.
5:59 you know you can slightly push a man when he is standing on the flat surface and he'd be just fine, but if you'd do this when he'd be standing at the edge of the cliff it'll be another story...
in 2022 the only season where ferrari had a top car charles dominated carlos, carlos is a top midfield driver that could win a championship in the right environment but he is not on charles' level
@@mufasathebigcat He is consistently super close to Leclerc if not beating him. 2023 he was 9-11 in the same GP. 2022 13-9 in the same GP and 2021 8-14 and he beat him. There is not a universe where anyone would call that ''Getting smoked''
Stats definitely should not be the only marker of greatness, it's how a driver galvanises a team, taking them to the top. Schumacher is a prime example. He's dirty antics aside, he pushed Ferrari to levels unseen until Mercedes came along, albeit with the help of intelligent Engineers. When Lewis joined Mercedes, the hard work was already at play, he didn't need to do much but steam roll everyone. At the start of 2024, Mercedes were no where but have a resurgence. With Hamilton moving to Ferrari, he was definitely shut off from meetings regarding upgrades so I don't see how he would have assisted in their upturn. I guess we will see how truly great he is at Ferrari if he can turn that team around. Max is another example of a driver helping the team.
you can find an angle to undermine every champion. for example i remember the days of schumi. barichello was ordered to let him pass at almost half of his radios, let alone being allowed to fight him. does that make him less of a champion then? painting verstappen as "helping team guy" is a delusion. you gotta be a fanboy. also explains you trying to draw a similarity between schumi and him. cheers
I didn't know F1 affected you guys personally🤣🤣🤣 Chill people it's my opinion, read it don't read, use it don't use it. Feel free to add your own comment, in the words of the Diva, Still we rise. Hope Lewis and Mercedes are paying you guys, as you are behaving like Football fans, my team this, my stricker that 🤣🤣🤣
I’m a Lando fan. Watching his race starts is painful. He does have the talent to win a/multiple WDC(s). As you said, he needs to mature and focus on his race starts and hopefully he will become a better driver. I hope Oscar can win some WDCs too, as he definitely has the talent to do so. Also, imo, in Austria, a 10 second penalty for Max is fair, nothing more is needed. And putting Hamilton 8th and below Max in all time is WILD! New subscriber earned btw, this video was very entertaining (my first video watching you :))
bro is the ONLY Lando fan still remaining on earth lmfao, it's quite funny to see how much the public's perception of him has changed over the last few months
Lando's Miami win might well have been Oscar's Miami win if the safety car was out a lap earlier. Also, Oscar looks like he's probably going to outshine Lando next year. I feel sorry for the Lando fans.
Ok, regarding the list in the thumbnail: I would not put Verstappen over Hamiltion. Not yet anyway. If in 10 years time Verstappen has 10 WDC with 3 different teams then probably. But aside from that I think this list is defensible. It's not the list I would make but I do see where they are coming from.
But Alonso in P5, 3 places above Hamilton? Nahh, ain't no way that's defensible! Hamilton literally beat prime Alonso in his rookie season.. That should say it all! I'd put Hamilton and probably also Max above Alonso. And the dude put Prost above Senna. They were very close, but I'd say Senna should be one place ahead of Prost. Schumacher is WAY too high on the list too! I would say that most drivers in the bottom half of the list are pretty fair for the most part though!
Honestly...this list in the thumbnail doesn't offend me as much as most people...maybe im just weird idk My top 20 is something like 1. Jim Clark 2. Graham Hill 3. Alain Prost 4. Ayrton Senna 5. Lewis Hamilton 6. Fernando Alonso 7. Michael Schumacher 8. Juan Manuel Fangio 9. Niki Lauda 10. Max Verstappen 11. Jackie Stewart 12. Nigel Mansell 13. Sebastian Vettel 14. Nelson Piquet 15. Mika Hakkinen 16. Gilles Villeneuve 17. Kimi Raikkonen 18. Emerson Fittipaldi 19. John Surtees 20. Jack Brabham
I got a list here's the order of my list that it's in, It goes - Hamilton Schumacher Senna Fangio Verstappen Vettel Prost Jim Clark Alonso Lauda Jackie steward Mansell Piquet Brabham
I agree with you Hamilton being 8th on the list is nothing short of ridiculous, he's actually 6th maybe. Reading people opinions on the internet and then just discarding it as a trolling or attention seeking... let's say your British accent explains it all.
People rate fangio so high when he was racing against fat rich people in unreliable death tubs and the people who rate him so high have never once seen or heard of what he's done in a race that makes him soooo special.
Hope I won't be included for saying this in another video of this type but about Lando's popularity... I personally actually just started liking the guy this year. I was not a fan of him because of some dumb stuff he did in previous years but I have since seen a little video where he actually "explained" himself and sort of apologised as well and then Hungary and all that happened. And although I obviously believe he did not have to give up his place to Oscar I rate that very, very highly!!! Yes I know it's widely regarded as a weak mentality but idc. I like a guy who despite feeling kind of betrayed still thinks of his teammate and the team. I feel like that's just a really great showing of one's personality and he proved me wrong there. If that is considered a weakness then so be it. Idc if he's the best ever but I am starting to really like him! He's a great dude!
I took the mickey a bit just for a laugh. But at the end of the day, I think he’s great guy. And he’s still only 24. He’s got a lot of time to learn from mistakes etc. And with regards to Hungary, that was show of integrity.
@@BMPHF1 Absolutely! Completely agree and I'd be happy to see him succeed in the coming years! He deserves it and although I still have other drivers I prefer over him, he does deserve to have many more wins and possibly titles.
I have a take on this that I wonder if fans would consider: Formula 1 loves to pretend it is a Driver sport, when it is in fact a team sport. As a result, any attempt to compare two separate entities out of the field will always have an asterisk about it. For example, you could try to compare drivers and car performance by looking at the points accumulated, but that won't work because points are determined based on what position the drivers and cars finish in, which is subject to a whole range of factors on a race by race basis that are irrelevant to the discussion - Car fundamentals on each individual track (like how Ferrari was good at Monaco), driver crashes affecting other drivers results (Goatifi crashing in AD21), safety cars (Lando Norris's first win, Max winning in Canada), at what point the championship is terminated (Sebastian Vettel would not have won the 2010 championship if the last race never existed), and other things like mechanical failiures (literally 90% + of all races), Backmarkers (Ocon & Verstappen, Brazil 2018), FIA rulings (AD21 controversy), penalties (literally almost all races), spontaneous punctures (Hamilton - Spain 2010), strategy (Ferrari - Monaco 2022), the weather (Brazil 2008), red flags, etc. Even the points system can make a difference to results depending on how many points are awarded and for what (Alonso beats Hamilton in 2007 if we use the current points system for that year - This isn't an excuse for Alonso fans to use this because it defeats the whole point - nothing changed performance wise but the result was different). It is also in a passionate F1 fan's nature to get attached to drivers instead of teams because of the aforementioned point, and as a result, can justify everything that works against their chosen driver to explain why they lost, because they have forgotten to treat it as a gladiatorial arena between multiple teams, not two drivers. With this logic, all I have to do to discredit Max Verstappen's entire F1 success is to say that Daniil Kvyat had a poor streak one time, or that he wouldn't be winning anything if he was in a Williams. People also use the favourite argument - 'Driver A is only winning because they have the fastest car - If Driver A was driving a slower car than Driver B, they wouldn't be winning, therefore it is the car and Driver B is better'. Whilst the subject of the argument is obviously correct, the intent of this point is to demonstrate that Driver A's success is down to the car in order to elevate a chosen driver. The problem is that Driver B is unable to win in a slower car against Driver A, which was the whole point of the argument against Driver A, therefore the argument is universal and means nothing. Yes, Lewis Hamilton's success would not have accumulated 7 titles if he hadn't signed for Mercedes, but that doesn't change the argument - it will always exist for somebody. Someone still has to drive the very fast car in order to make it appear very fast - E.g., if there were 2 Valtteri Bottas calibre drivers in the 2018 Mercedes, Ferrari would have won the Drivers championship 1-2, so no one would question their status as the fastest car. It's depending on who appears to finish first most of the time. The irony is that in the 'Hamilton/Verstappen/Schumacher/Vettel is only winning because they have the fastest car' argument, the drivers mentioned are not Bottas/Kovalainen/Barrichello/Webber/Perez/Gasly/Albon, but their superior teammates are the ones who get given this argument, so it only stands to reason that the argument is biased. It doesn't make much sense if the driver who achieves more in the same car is given the 'Only winning because of the car' criticism. Of course, at the end of the day, big teams pay fast drivers lots of money, which I think is the biggest indicator really, since why would we fans of all people know who to employ as drivers than the F1 teams who are competing? For example, if Hamilton is merely mid, why did the Mercedes team sign him and pay him an outrageous salary? Then the whole silliness of the first opinion in this video is it compares drivers from different eras. What even is the point in trying? Not even that, but regulation periods? Driver preferences mixed with car preferences that don't work out (Daniel Ricciardo), how team environments and cultures make a driver perform differently (Sebastian Vettel at Ferrari, Sergio Perez and Giancarlo Fisichella doing better when not in a top team), driver age (Michael Schumacher at Mercedes, Kimi Raikkonen at Sauber), Driver's personal life and psychological/physical experiences (Lewis Hamilton in 2011 and 2022, Felipe Massa post 2009), simply having a new strong teammate (Sebastian Vettel Vs Daniel Ricciardo and Charles Leclerc, Fernando Alonso Vs Lewis Hamilton). The list goes on about all the things that make individual comparisons irrelevant. In short, there is a lot of luck in F1 that makes it look like Mariokart if you try to compare two individual entities, but there is no luck and only how good a collective team performs if you look at F1 for what it is, which is how it is supposed to be seen. If someone retires, that's not bad luck for you and good luck for another team. As a team, it simply means that another team has done it better, therefore they finish better. If a safety car comes out, appropriate strategy makes a difference if you see F1 as it should be, but it will appear lucky or unlucky if you view it from one dimension. Thanks for reading my tedtalk on why opinions are basically pointless in F1, and only who you support should matter to you as an F1 fan.😀
This is perfect you have made no mistakes in this comment. I always thought the x is only winning cause of the fastest car opinion was idiotic because the most talented drivers get to driver the fastest cars so of course they will win when they drive them, would you rather they lost? They wouldn’t do that cause they are one of the best drivers at that time which is likely why they are in that car. I don’t think it should even be an insult, it’s a compliment like at least they are doing it.
And people will be like Hamilton one 7 championships but he has the fastest car every time so he is a mid driver compared to others who have one drivers and stay stuff like “he is hardly in my top 10 drivers of all time” First of all you can’t have a list of best drivers of all time cause the cars have radically changed and the sport has radically changed. You can do best drivers in a year or like and f1 regulation but not all time. Second of all I’m pretty sure Hamilton could win 10 championships and he still wouldn’t make these “lists”. Lastly I don’t believe Hamilton had the fastest car for two or maybe 3 of his championship winning season 2008 and 2018 were pretty much tied or slightly slower than Ferrari all season and then maybe 2017 but not as much as the other ones. Rant over :)
@@ninaferreira2887 Funnily enough, if he didn't get a gearbox failiure in Brazil 2007, a puncture in Spain 2010, a mechanical failure in Malaysia 2016, and if Goatifi didn't crash in AB21, Hamilton would have had 11 titles by now which is insane (if we assume Rosberg still retired in 2016). Even so, every failiure in F1 is a what if. What if's literally show why results are meaningless really 🤣
As a lando fan I feel like there’s too much criticism of him. But, the people I hate are the mental lando fans who glaze him to shit or go mental for no reason. Me and the small percentage of sane lando fans are fighting for our lives just like you said 😂.
I'm a McLaren fan. People need to chill because Lando's only human, I would be the same as him in that scenario and other drivers have done way worse; it's being totally overplayed by the media (and will be by drive to survive and that shite) and he is going to be made into a villain which pains me. These end of this season is going to be crucial for Oscar and Lando as they are going to be striving to prove who is McLaren's number one, something which is going to potentially influence if the two win wdcs. Unfortunately for Lando, I reckon that Oscar will come out on top, being a chill "Kimi" (which I don't agree with as he is far more chill) type who drives so harmoniously, enforced especially by the Mark Webber mind game rib thing. Lando is getting so much hate and it is going to really impact him and whilst I believe that both Norris and Piastri are equally capable of winning a or even multiple wdcs, especially in such a great car but Oscar's mentality will bring him out on top. You know F1 summer break is desperate for content when everyone is dissing Lando. Also, it's taking away from both of them because people are now saying that Piastri is better solely because of their hatred.
By the way referencing the Austin Dillon terrorism his win got encumbered basically meaning he gets the trophy and the win stat but not all the points and no free pass to the playoffs
Maybe you consider that hamilton has never shown outstanding pace and was given multiple championships by mercedes. Even George Russell instantly got the same pace when he was rewarded a race in mercedes, when bottas had to skip a weekend. Not more not less, some people understand what going on...
I'm a Lewis fan but at least the list kinda makes sense since most of them are really good like comparing Lewis to fangio doesn't make sense (it's almost not the same sport) so the list concept itself if weird, and at least it's not the classical list where Kamui (he was good but not that good) and Massa are at the top, almost every person cited was at or near the top of his own league, and they can't reallly be compared
1:54 odnt exagerate on the smoked, 2021 he beat charles 2022 he was beaten by charles where he had to immensley help him hindering his quali and race so charles had a shot for the title. 2023 he was beaten fair and square by a small margin of points, and still got the only win. And this year if we only count all the races both of taken part in, they are equal in points, and sainz with 1 more podium. So smoked is not the word, beaten yes most likely, yet he might have a small chance to beat like george or charles, like rosberg did in 2016
I do dislike Norris cause back in 2020 whenever he was asked about Lewis Hamilton getting the most wins of any driver he essentially said “he should be winning in that car” yet here he is in the best car quite easily and only being able to win 1 race😂😂😂😂(this was before he covered it in the video)
4:50 doesnt really impact my mood, internet will do what it does, both the mclaren lando and also piastri still have rough edges and weaknesses..but the outfit is one capable of running for top spots and its been long since that and start of this year it didnt look sharp , norris is good at some things but to win he needs to also be good at some others, to be oppertune
Hamilton not being in the top 3 is a common take. Schumacher, Senna, Prost are the 3 goats imo with Hamilton 4th. People need to take perspective into account. If F1 had today’s points system back in Prost’s days, he’d probably have 5+ world titles too. Incredibly talented driver who is underrated because he’s so far in the past, same with Senna. Most people only rate Senna highly because they’ve been told to do so by the past generations and they’ve never actually seen a clip of him race. Pure talent and speed wise, better than Hamilton. Although of course very talented, Hamilton is put on a slightly exaggerated pedestal because any criticism of him is deemed racist.
The list is correct. Every single one of Hamilton's titles were won on the best car on the grid. And on the Mercedes days, it was so much better that nobody could even challenge their second driver, much less Hamilton. The moment Red bull developed a car on a similar level to Mercedes, Hamilton lost. That tells you all you need to know. Hamilton lost to Verstapen in 2021 when Hamilton had the better car, even if it was marginally. Not to mention how his performace always fell off a clif when his car was not the clear fastest. Look at 2009-2012 for reference.
I understand what you are saying, but you could say that about Max right now. Additionally, in 2008, 2017, 2018, and very nearly in 2020, Lewis Hamilton won the championship and his teammate did not finish in the runners up spot. For 2018 in particular, if there were two valterri bottas calibre drivers in the Mercedes, ferrari would win the title 1-2. The driver needs to drive the car, and the car needs to be good enough. In short, your argument is universal.
