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F126 frigates: the German navy equipped to deal with new threats - Thales 

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Warships today are major hubs of communications, and they need to stay connected with multiple sources of information.
Increased connectivty brings new threats, and makes cybersecurity a major challenge.
Damen and Thales have been chosen to build four multi-purpose frigates for the German Navy, based on their expertise in naval shipbuilding and the integration of advanced cyber-secure combat systems. The 160-metre-long vessels will be operated by a crew of over 100 sailors and carry out a broad range of missions, including surveillance, rescue, humanitarian aid and support of special forces.
The integrated solution to be provided by Thales will include the Tacticos combat management system - already in service in 25 countries worldwide - coupled with a surface combat suite and an innovative digital radar.
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@HermanSyah-oc7fo
@HermanSyah-oc7fo 2 года назад
The best design frigate in the world....welldone
@redtob2119
@redtob2119 2 года назад
british one is better
@redtob2119
@redtob2119 2 года назад
@Kristoffer J yes
@redtob2119
@redtob2119 2 года назад
@Kristoffer J yes
@pendejoculo2581
@pendejoculo2581 2 года назад
@@redtob2119 I guess you are british..
@pendejoculo2581
@pendejoculo2581 2 года назад
@Kristoffer J I guess you are german...
@Itachi21x
@Itachi21x 2 года назад
The dutch and germans know how to build cool ships.
@oqam9067
@oqam9067 2 года назад
Its french company
@jeroenjanssen6870
@jeroenjanssen6870 2 года назад
Thales is French.
@vorpommerinaustralia5418
@vorpommerinaustralia5418 2 года назад
Really cool design! 😎
@marcusfranconium3392
@marcusfranconium3392 2 года назад
Keep in mind that german and dutch shipbuilders have a long history , The sachsen and zeven provincien class frigates ( well destroyers in reality) are of a same project slightly different but at the core the same. the Bremen class was based on the kortenaer class frigates , the current Kareldoorman JSS is shared with the germans. even before ww1 and ww2 both nations provided eachother with inovations and technologies . Most well know are the Battleship plans for the dutch in 1912-1913 , the java class cruisers. during ww1 and battle cruisers of 1939. In turn dutch IVS and INKAVOS provided the german navy with much information on building U-boats. And with firms like Hazemeyer ( later holland signaal , Thales netherlands) Siderious ,NSF , Philips etc tons of new tech and inovations where created . Its a verry long and complicated history but well worth a read.
@wudruffwildcard252
@wudruffwildcard252 2 года назад
As a German i think that Germany does well looking to the Netherlands regards naval ships, while i think that the Netherlands does well looking to Germany regards to land forces. And the combined efforts today are leading us to a better future!
@marcusfranconium3392
@marcusfranconium3392 2 года назад
@@wudruffwildcard252 No truer words have been spoken .
@jeroenjanssen6870
@jeroenjanssen6870 2 года назад
Thales is a French company.
@marcusfranconium3392
@marcusfranconium3392 2 года назад
@@jeroenjanssen6870 Gues again , as holland signaal merged with thales , thales netherlands is still dutch with the majority of the stock in hand of the dutch goverment, Every radar system en sensor system created comes from thales netherlands dutch inovation dutch invention dutch empoyees . Its just like AIrfrance Klm they might look as one company but they are distinct seperate enitities. But some idiots dont read or know this becouse they asume somthing that had a merger means that they are one company .
@jeroenjanssen6870
@jeroenjanssen6870 2 года назад
@@marcusfranconium3392 French.
@SU-tw3nn
@SU-tw3nn 2 года назад
Is it just me or does the F126 look way more aggressive, scary and intimidating (visual wise) than the type 26? I don't know about anyone else but when comparing the two, I just get this feeling of aggressiveness projected from this design.
@jake-jm8se
@jake-jm8se 2 года назад
agree
@martinschwienbacher9334
@martinschwienbacher9334 8 месяцев назад
Lacking an LR Radar and LR Anti Ship Missles etc. its also important that it looks dangerous ...
@Frost-01
@Frost-01 2 года назад
that design looks cool
@Ishikawa745
@Ishikawa745 2 года назад
Wow thr design looks futuristic
@bobthecanon3457
@bobthecanon3457 Год назад
The biggest Frigate-Class in the world with 10.000 tons. We are proud to get this strong and well equiped ships
@patthonsirilim5739
@patthonsirilim5739 9 месяцев назад
weapons load out is really bad for a ship so big.
@martinschwienbacher9334
@martinschwienbacher9334 8 месяцев назад
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh-Burke-Klasse A bit less displacement, yet 96 VLS ... F126 a lot of money to ship 16 Cells around the word. The Module "Gewahrsam" (Prison Cell) is an ugly "joke" because the current German Government (Green Party) opulently denied supporting France, Italy and Spain in protecting the mediterran water border against human flesh trade by e.g. blockading the African cost line.
@PunishSlave
@PunishSlave 3 года назад
Buen video
@KMS_Bismarck_Ironblood
@KMS_Bismarck_Ironblood 2 года назад
When Germany rebuilds a modern Bismarck and Tirpitz
@hartmutwrith3134
@hartmutwrith3134 2 года назад
and England is rebuilding the Victory?????? Be smart!
@golemtv4817
@golemtv4817 2 года назад
Germany have learned from its mistakes
@matthiaseckert4022
@matthiaseckert4022 2 года назад
@@golemtv4817 Battleships ar not longer needed, destroyers or frigates are more flexibel in use. And by the way, neither Bismarck nor Tirpitz where superior.
@themanformerlyknownascomme777
@themanformerlyknownascomme777 2 года назад
@@matthiaseckert4022 eh, that's slightly debatable. With every new ship the Frigates and destroyers resemble the light and heavy cruisers of old. Infact if I'm not mistaken these modern ships I this video are actually larger then the super cruisers of the Deutschland class. And Bismarck and Tirpitz weren't superior, but they weren't bad ships either.
@Koshiro2k3
@Koshiro2k3 2 года назад
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 "Infact if I'm not mistaken these modern ships I this video are actually larger then the super cruisers of the Deutschland class" Not quite. The Deutschland class was 10000 tons nominally, which is the planned displacement for the F-126, but they would only have this displacement if completely stripped of equipment - this was of course trickery to pay lip service to treaty restrictions. Their actual standard displacement was ~12000 tons for the first vessel, and even more for the next two. And of course their fully loaded displacement was even more.
@NayemShekh-hu3ts
@NayemShekh-hu3ts Год назад
Nice
@martinschwienbacher9334
@martinschwienbacher9334 8 месяцев назад
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke-class_destroyer The US Destroyer Class is a bit lighter (displacement) yet has 96 VLS Cells, the German F126 only 16 VLS Cells (plus 8 mid sized anti ship missiles with rather limited range) ... advertising the module "Gewahrsam" results in most likely the worlds most expensive seldomly used (we do not hunt the pirates really) prison cell. The full leadership of the German Military Purchasing Department was fired some weeks back yet sadly sent to early interment on full payment ...
@nickatgreat5750
@nickatgreat5750 2 года назад
it has a type 055 lead in its design
@ZETAPLUSA70
@ZETAPLUSA70 Год назад
A cruiser sized destroyer, but with only corvette firepower
@DerHossMeister
@DerHossMeister Год назад
Way under-armed for it's size...
@stangarcia
@stangarcia 3 года назад
Top
@emiralamsyah9668
@emiralamsyah9668 Год назад
One best.
@mr.highground9250
@mr.highground9250 2 года назад
This design is cooler than Zumwalt
@Koshiro2k3
@Koshiro2k3 2 года назад
Considering that the Zumwalt class was a screwup that failed to deliver most of the capabilities it promised and was cancelled after only three mindboggingly expensive ships, that is a rather low bar to clear...
@emiralamsyah9668
@emiralamsyah9668 Год назад
Germany seems to have conceptualized more frigates right? In contrast to Japan which relies on destroyers. I wonder why ? Thank you
@_Alfa.Bravo_
@_Alfa.Bravo_ Год назад
Germany just do not call them distroyers cause of its history. If you compare the length- here it is 166m- it is the size of a ship that other nations call distroyer
@emiralamsyah9668
@emiralamsyah9668 Год назад
@@_Alfa.Bravo_ Thank you. 😊
@drewblackmatter6669
@drewblackmatter6669 2 года назад
New Construction New constellation Class Destroyer's .
@Micha-qv5uf
@Micha-qv5uf 2 года назад
I was just watching the LEC and now I see you under such a video xD
@zigarettengabel9911
@zigarettengabel9911 2 года назад
🇩🇪💪
@markallendionela7405
@markallendionela7405 2 года назад
I hope Philippine Navy can buy of that new frigate
@emeraldgold5663
@emeraldgold5663 2 года назад
Hope so para may heavy frigate na tayo napakalaki kahit mga 8 units ok na yan
@christianjunghanel6724
@christianjunghanel6724 3 года назад
Why don t they have hull mounted sonar or subroc?
@matzemaus2641
@matzemaus2641 2 года назад
Sonar drones and helicopter are flexibly, for more range and reaktion....
@christianjunghanel6724
@christianjunghanel6724 2 года назад
@@matzemaus2641 But you can t deploy them all the time like in swallow waters or because to avoid unnessary wear and tear of both equipment or personal! And they restrict your speed and manoverability at least while deploying them if nothing else! Unless they already suspect the presence of a sub those won t be ready in time , the sub is more likely to detect and shoot the frigate ! Your flexebility dosn t do you any good if your ship is sunk before lunching !
@vuesch
@vuesch 2 года назад
​@@christianjunghanel6724 Hull mounted sonar and ship mounted torpedoes are becoming more and more obsolete as modern submarines get quiter. The effective ranges are extremely low, especially in shallow waters like the baltic. You will never get close enough and if you do by accident you are dead as well. Therefore some navies omit those systems now to save weight and money for other capabilities.
@christianjunghanel6724
@christianjunghanel6724 2 года назад
@@vuesch Hull mounted torpedos are crap (except the future seaspider anti topedosytem) i get that , what i meant is with subrocs were torpedos mounted on rockets! And for the hull mounted sonar , the reason i would still mount one is less finding subs rather than finding torpedos fired at you if the towed one is not available! If you can t use the towed array a regular one is better than nothing! Of course it is nowhere near as good but a towed one has disadvantiges as well like: It can t be deployed at all times/ it takes time to deploy/limits the movement of the user / when a ship is doing emergency manover while it is deployed it risks loseing the towed sonar becoming effektivlly blind! Ships who only have towed ones would have to suspect a sub beeing present in the first place to have a towed sonar or chopper deployed otherwise when they do not, all the sensors or countermeasures they have become irrelevant because they will only know that there is a sub when they blow up ! I m not making a case for ether sytem bcause i think you need both in combination !
@vuesch
@vuesch 2 года назад
​@@christianjunghanel6724 The problem with lightweight torpedoes on rockets is: They are very heavy and have a range comparable to heavy weight torpedoes. If you can shoot the submarine, the submarine can probably shoot you as well. The most effective way to find a sumbarine is a towed aray for long range detection in combination with ASW helicopters with dipper or MPA with sonar buoys. Once the aircraft have them simply drop a lightweight torpedo on their head. This way you get a shorter reaction time and don't risk the ship.
@JoshtheBackwoodsStoryteller
@JoshtheBackwoodsStoryteller 9 месяцев назад
It looks great. But... according to the information provided in the video and the comments on here; if the loadout of these future ships are going to be tiny, then Germany is basically repeating the same actions that the interwar German government did with the Konigsberg and Leipzig-class light cruisers in the 1920s-1930s. Granted, the old Weimar Republic was under the restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles and the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922. But as far as I'm aware, modern-day Germany isn't under any sort of arms or armament buildup restrictions... are they? If not, then what's the German government's excuse for not arming these 10,000-ton (to hell with it, I'm calling them 'light cruisers') ships to the teeth? And if they are, is that the reason why these ships are going to be lightly armed? Oh well, maybe when Germany and the Netherlands get around to the "Future Air Defender" project (they're calling that one a 'Frigate' as well, but judging by the looks of the concept art, it looks like a beefed up version of the current F126, so I'm going to call it a 'medium cruiser'), it will have more weapons and a meaner punch compared to the F126.
@michado75
@michado75 Год назад
but.... what about nuclear ....thread, like now? emp?
@alsosprachzarathustra5505
@alsosprachzarathustra5505 2 года назад
The largest and most expensive patrol boat ever built. The French fooling the Germans one more time XD
@alexanderzippel8809
@alexanderzippel8809 2 года назад
And yet, the moment germany would announce the Aircraft-carrier "Konrad Adenauer", and german Boxer, Puma and Leopards would Blitz through Mali, and german Navy Ships would patrol around the world, everybody would scream bloody murder and call germany an expansionist and Imperialist and the chancellor in charge is the second coming of Hitler and Wilhelm II. The Rest of the world needs to make up their mind. Accept that germany focuses more on Europe but still is a military power that should not be taken likely, or realize that a Germany going overseas seeking influence around the world would be a lot more menacing and stop making jokes about that
@alsosprachzarathustra5505
@alsosprachzarathustra5505 2 года назад
@@alexanderzippel8809 they don't even have enough energy to stay a civilised country and are facing a terrible winter this year. Germany is kaputt.😅
@DJ1573
@DJ1573 Год назад
@@alsosprachzarathustra5505 So hows winter going? Pretty comfy eh?
@daveypanzermeijer7285
@daveypanzermeijer7285 2 года назад
Go Netherlands
@joachimhupe4018
@joachimhupe4018 2 года назад
Netherlands? I mean shure go Netherlands, but this video is about a german frigat.
@profkluk
@profkluk 2 года назад
@@joachimhupe4018 Well, the ships will be built by Damen (which is a Dutch company), Thales (which is French) and Blohm+Voss.
@daveypanzermeijer7285
@daveypanzermeijer7285 2 года назад
@@profkluk yes
@BadRussian77
@BadRussian77 2 года назад
Netherlands will occupy Germany and grab those frigates.
@daveypanzermeijer7285
@daveypanzermeijer7285 2 года назад
@@BadRussian77 jepppp
@ThisTheAviator
@ThisTheAviator 2 года назад
For a country that prides itself in its own efficiency the german armed forces have the worst expense/capabilities ratio i have ever seen,they spend as much as France and the UK while having 1/5th of their capabilities. Truly astonishing
@Rene-mg9eg
@Rene-mg9eg 2 года назад
Its not the failure of the military. Its the dumb restrictions left wing politicians decide to create.
@cocolade93
@cocolade93 2 года назад
Sad reality, the cash is there but it is used unwisely and locked behind bureaucracy.
@hartmutwrith3134
@hartmutwrith3134 2 года назад
we are not priding ourselfs any more. After 1945 and realising what we have done to our neighbours, please forgive us, that we are a bit shy to spend money for guns.
@ThisTheAviator
@ThisTheAviator 2 года назад
@@hartmutwrith3134 What i mean is Germany spends a lot of money for essentially nothing. No carriers,no ocean going surface fleet,no stealth aircrafts,no nuclear subs,no airlift capability,only a mere 200 tanks. There's nothing that justifies the 50+ billions euros spent. I just wonder where are the money going.
@emhyrvaremreis4540
@emhyrvaremreis4540 2 года назад
@@ThisTheAviator Explain to me how an aircraft carrier should help Germany? Germany is working on an Fcas with France and Spain. To what extent does Germany need nuclear submarines? These are only good for the attack, in terms of being silent, they are not even close to the level of an A212. I agree with you that the procurement is bad, but you are wrong on many points. Also, things may get better with the newest government.
@stonie0212
@stonie0212 Месяц назад
Like all other ffg designs, it is under-armed against the new threats. Too few missiles, it cannot defend against swarm-attacks
@ZAR556
@ZAR556 2 года назад
so, each modern warship is floating SuperComputer now
@randominternetguy88
@randominternetguy88 2 года назад
it has been since the past 3 decades, ever since the AN/SPY-1 Aegis System got introduced
@themanformerlyknownascomme777
@themanformerlyknownascomme777 2 года назад
Warships have always been packing the latest computers, virtually since computers became a thing.
@alexanderzippel8809
@alexanderzippel8809 2 года назад
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 The Military in general is some years ahead of the civilian industry in everything somewhat useful for the military
@oldbutbold
@oldbutbold 2 года назад
If this thing is 10,000 tons, isn't it too large to be called a frigate? This is a cruiser or at least a large destroyer. Why classify it with a "less" threatening word instead of calling it what it is?
@somehow86
@somehow86 2 года назад
German military has an image problem in Germany. Calling it frigate sounds less "agressive". The last destroyers were put out of service in 2003. Following ships were called frigates that are actually categorized as destroyers in specialized literatur. So it is basically a destroyer.
@oldbutbold
@oldbutbold 2 года назад
@@somehow86 That is a bit unfortunate. Even though the Japanese navy is called the Maritime Self Defence Force, they still have destroyers in their fleet. And I'm a bit surprised the contract went to a Dutch shipyard instead of a German one.
@themanformerlyknownascomme777
@themanformerlyknownascomme777 2 года назад
@@somehow86 that's not unique to the German military, at all. Virtually every major nation avoids the words "cruiser" like the plague.
@themanformerlyknownascomme777
@themanformerlyknownascomme777 2 года назад
@@oldbutbold it's not just Japan and Germany, but almost every other nation to.
@oldbutbold
@oldbutbold 2 года назад
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 Well, not many countries build cruiser-sized warships.
@theurbangoose6918
@theurbangoose6918 2 года назад
There last destroyer they tried to make sea worthy sucked and they ditched it idk how I feel yet
@hartmutwrith3134
@hartmutwrith3134 2 года назад
???????????????????????? And what are you feeling little Goose from the city?
@MatorThorsson
@MatorThorsson 2 года назад
Germanys last destroyer was from the USA! All other Ship are frigates! All of them worked pretty good and german frigates are more powerful than some destroyers... BTW the F-126 isn't a destroyer! This is a new Shiptype never exist! It called MCV (Multi-purpose combat vessel) or in german MKS (Mehrzweckkampfschiff)!
@seargesoren9391
@seargesoren9391 2 года назад
little late innit, i mean itll be ready, only 1 of em, in 28'
@MrFreduard
@MrFreduard 2 года назад
Same for the last generation of new frigates. Couple that with five times the original price and you understand what most of the german public is already used to
@Micha-qv5uf
@Micha-qv5uf 2 года назад
Late for what exactly?
@seargesoren9391
@seargesoren9391 2 года назад
If only one of them is delivered over the span of 8 years, isn't that a bit too little, even for the military? Only certain projects like stealth aircraft take that long, if not longer, to produce.
@Micha-qv5uf
@Micha-qv5uf 2 года назад
@@seargesoren9391 Man 90% of that time is developement. Building it will ofc not take 8 years. Maybe 1. And then there will be an additional one every year.
@ddshiranui
@ddshiranui 2 года назад
@@seargesoren9391 I think they'd build several of them simultaneously. You're right that it's going to be late, but the Bundeswehr has been starved of money for almost two decades, and only within the last five years or so has the defense budget ballooned, in good part due to a certain incident at Crimea demonstrating that Europe is unfortunately not quite as peaceful as people hoped it would remain after the 90s.
@christopheklinger3217
@christopheklinger3217 2 года назад
March 2022. Paper frigates ?
@emhyrvaremreis4540
@emhyrvaremreis4540 2 года назад
Why?
@redblueyankee8343
@redblueyankee8343 2 года назад
@@emhyrvaremreis4540 10k tons with 16VLS, really?
@emhyrvaremreis4540
@emhyrvaremreis4540 2 года назад
@@redblueyankee8343 So?
@redblueyankee8343
@redblueyankee8343 2 года назад
@@emhyrvaremreis4540 It's so lightly equipped for the price of an Arleigh Burke, don't you notice the problem?
@emhyrvaremreis4540
@emhyrvaremreis4540 2 года назад
@@redblueyankee8343 Except that it wasn't designed for anti-aircraft purposes.
@raimundsteuer4844
@raimundsteuer4844 Год назад
Die Schiffe sind für ihre Größe die schwächsten Bewaffneten Schiffe was es gibt?!
@Ade-mu4zn
@Ade-mu4zn Год назад
🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨💪👍👌
@acad4my60
@acad4my60 2 года назад
Deutsch🇩🇪
@codytain6064
@codytain6064 2 года назад
F125 not even combat ready by any means, and ya'll over here talking about the F126. Sure thing, see ya'll in 2060
@user-jr9br3qf5f
@user-jr9br3qf5f 6 месяцев назад
And still on this date Jan.20th,2024 Germany still has not hit%2 for military spending budget even after Russian invasion. Hurry up Berlin...
@s3p4kner
@s3p4kner Месяц назад
I don't understand what the contractor is trying to prove with this content. Cybersecurity? Obviously it needs it because Chinese Gold Farmers and Nigerian Princes could cause havoc with a ship like this, but 1/2 the video was dedicated to the ship being "Cyber Protected". How about it's mission parameters, or sensors, expected weapon load? 10k ton displacement and 16 VLS, is this true? Do the crew each have en-suite with double bed? What is this thing? LOL?!
@STKS1991
@STKS1991 2 года назад
10,000 tons and only a 4000 mile range while only having 16 VLS cells? That's awful, are Germans not angry about this?
@maraqu
@maraqu 2 года назад
do you really think, any of the true specs are open for the public?
@STKS1991
@STKS1991 2 года назад
@@maraqu yes, all of those specs I listed are accurate.
@swunt10
@swunt10 2 года назад
yeah it's a joke. basically the size of a cruise ship and hardly any weapons. a classic tax payer ripoff.
@emhyrvaremreis4540
@emhyrvaremreis4540 2 года назад
To defend yourself that's enough 64 Essm missiles. In addition, this size was chosen because a lot of things are supposed to be automated there.
@swunt10
@swunt10 2 года назад
@@emhyrvaremreis4540 64 ESSM meaning no SM-2, SM-3, SM-6, cruise missile, ASROC or any future hypersonic missiles. so clearly 16 VLS is pathetic and useless especially for a ship the size of a fucking cruise ship. the russians build 2500t covettes with more VLS than this 10.000t frigate. it's a joke and an exercise in "we don't need weapons because there is no war"
@avichayavichay3797
@avichayavichay3797 2 года назад
Maid in iesrael enjoy
@baotrungnguyen3301
@baotrungnguyen3301 2 года назад
the next generation frigate F127 will displace about 15000 tons and have only water cannons
@i_supervegeta_i7567
@i_supervegeta_i7567 2 года назад
lol Sponsored by Super Soaker? lol
@oldbutbold
@oldbutbold 2 года назад
HAHAHAHAHAA
@krammehl
@krammehl Год назад
Too bad that the biggest threats are coming from within germany.
@_Alfa.Bravo_
@_Alfa.Bravo_ Год назад
No , come from the big yellow dragon , eating Taiwan soon and other islands
@robertmuller3145
@robertmuller3145 2 года назад
3/4 of there ships are in port under repair. No subs active! What a damn shame
@neinnein9306
@neinnein9306 2 года назад
It always works. 100 years ago in the 20s everyone believed that Germany no longer had an army. There are things that are supposed to be seen and some that are not.
@zhufortheimpaler4041
@zhufortheimpaler4041 2 года назад
thats 2016 news, in 2021 this problem has been dealt with and the readiness rates of Bundeswehr equipment (fighters, helicopters, ships, subs, mbt etc) ar all on NATO average or above (for example the EF2000 has a higher readiness rate than the US F-22, and germany maintains more active modern MBT than the UK)
@zhufortheimpaler4041
@zhufortheimpaler4041 2 года назад
@Hans Sausage and germany provides the majority of AWACS flights etc
@hammer_ttk
@hammer_ttk 2 года назад
@Hans Sausage uh... the mainstream media migt e wrong a lot of the time, but they are right about our fleet struggling to maintain its functionality. there is a constant supply shortage in spare parts and equipment.
@luishorvath8443
@luishorvath8443 2 года назад
Dude, we have active submarines. What you get to know in the Media about our military....is not that accurate.
@vcqrsfdwc1987
@vcqrsfdwc1987 8 месяцев назад
great now with everyone else begining to shamelessly copy the design of 055 it has proven itself to be the new dreadnought of our age
@markallendionela7405
@markallendionela7405 2 года назад
I hope Philippine Navy can buy of that new frigate
@emeraldgold5663
@emeraldgold5663 2 года назад
Huhuhu hope so para may heavy frigate na tayo kahit walang ganyan bilhin natin napakaganda at laki solid yan pang harang
@alexanderzippel8809
@alexanderzippel8809 2 года назад
I doubt that germany will give up their newest frigates so quickly. The Navy is happy that they are finally getting new ships. They wont really share, especially not with the phillipines (I served with the german navy, they really need new ships)
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