Fa-jing, Explosive Power: Erle's lessons part 10 

Yeah it really is amazing how many people prefer the idea of fajing being magic ✨

Yeah totally agree :-) There's a lot more than just that he's not telling as well, but there's only so much you can fit into 20 minutes :-)

Also... Striking from the hip is a practice method. If you can strike from the hip, and make contact, you can do so from a "hands up" defensive posture. I apologize if my comments seem confrontational. I have nothing but the deepest respect for you and your skill set.

No I totally agree with you mate. My father was an amazing man in si many ways, but he had a very bad habit of putting down other styles to boost his own, when in most cases he did not have enough knowledge on those other arts to have a position to comment.

+gabe del angel Hi Gabe, what Dad means by it being almost impossible, is trying to teach Fa jing on it's own in one video. The way to learn Fa jing is through the learning of a system that it's part of, like the Old Yang Style. So if you asked if you can just learn Fa jing from our videos, I would say no, but you can learn it though training of the system. So start yourself off with the Yang Lu-chan form, and Small San Sau here www.taijiworld.com/learn-tai-chi-online.html If you've got someone to train with, then learn single push hands as well. Regards, Eli

also i was wondering, is it possible to do a pushup without muscle tension? i have felt the empty space before, breaking rules in form and essentially auto moveing to appropriate positions faster than i can decide to or think of even why i moved there, letting the energy guide me, but i dont always enter this mindstate, so i seriously am asking if you can do a pushup using fajin, with no muscle tension, even though it might sound like a ridiculous question, i think it would help me understand some of the limits or understanding the true aspect of what we are trying to develop.. thank you

Hi Michael. The answer for me would be no, you see Fajing should not push someone backwards, if you have pushed someone backwards a great deal then it is not fajing, it should be an explosive movement that causes very little backward movement, it should rather shake the person who has been hit. Therefore you could not use it to do a push up, as a push up requires a large movement, fajing is a small movement. You cant move your body with out using your muscles, you can use them less with correct movement, but you can't move with out using them at all

You’re on the right path - there’s something - haven’t found answer

Sure if you have some other idea of what Fa Jin is then yes what we do is not what you think of from the term.

mm He can,t even spell Fajin ,that makes sence considering what i'm seeing

​@@6588ee.ya.laterFF neither can you LOL and the guy you are talking about is his son. And seriously you are going to judge by watching one video ? He has tons of training videos. People so quick to criticize but not willing to listen and learn,smh.

What ? He is explaining and demonstrating it. Did you even watch the entire video ?

We use either the smaller three or the bigger two depending on the angle of the strike. I think if the way your punching causes the smaller three the crush then the bigger two wouldn't be much better off, they both work fine as we're not hitting brick walls, we're hitting parts of the body that are much weaker than the fist. There's always risk of hurting your hand, but should be fine :-)

That's what the old masters used to say about swordsmanship I raise the sword and let gravity bring the sword down!!!

I totally agree that Dad should not put down any other style, I do not like that from anyone, I make a point of not doing that at all anymore, even if I really think something is no good. Though I wouldn't say that boxers punch like this, they can punch very well, fast and hard, but I've never seen a boxer who can punch with a great force from very close range, and I've never seen a boxer twist their waist back the other way on contact of the strike like you do with a whip. So I'm not saying that boxers can't punch, far from it, I always say that boxers are usually the best punchers. Not sure how Karate can be an off shoot of Tai Chi? I think Karate is a lot older is it not? The first Tai Chi form was created about 1830. supreme ultimate boxing is one translation of the word Taijiquan, Quan or Chuan can also mean fist or fighting, it really has nothing to do with modern western boxing. Boxing is a sport not a self defence art. Again not saying boxing is no good, just pointing out the differences.

It all depends on the skill of the individual . It all depends on the boxer applying the punch . I am sure there are some that are stiff and I am sure there are some great boxers like Sugar Ray Robinson that would give anybody I run for there money . Tai Chi is nick named Supreme Ultimate Boxing and having done all three Karate in my youth . Then Boxing as I got a little older and Tai Chi for over 15 years . I think In one way or the other they all compliment each other . Tai Chi and Baggua are what I study these days .

it does come down to individual skill but there are general aspects that are true. Boxers generally do not practice generating force from short distances whereas the 'internal' martial arts do. But boxing is a sport and it has some great attributes to it that are very practical even in life/death situations. The dodging and shielding of boxing are very practical techniques for protecting oneself from strikes. Shielding blocks dont require the precision of striking a strike out of the air. Even if you are good at striking strikes or have even mastered nei-gong shielding yourself and using nei-gong is an excellent way of blocking a fast unexpected strike and then forming a bridge with it as it hits your guard

Maybe, someone must have been the first person to discover it, so someone else could do the same. As long as you are punching with the intent to not follow through then it might just happen one day. Seen as boxers do not follow through with most of their punches it is very possible.

@@taichiworld Follow through!!! What are you going to do hit a golf ball and retract from contact at the moment of impact? It would be nightfall before you moved the ball halfway to the green!!!

No what I mean when I say no follow through is actually very little follow through. You should go in just a few inches to not waste energy. This way you do all the possible damage with as little backward movement as possible. I was training with a world champion UFC fighter and he explained punching in the same way

@@taichiworld Thanks for clarifying. I suppose the longer you make striking agent contact with the object mass the force will be diffused over a greater internal area of space and force transference will be completed over a greater durational period of time. Greater duration of impulse force transference dissipated over a larger internal area will effect delayed reactionary reactive force transference of more diffused lesser discrete point intensity as well. I suppose the master demonstrating the Fa Jing striking in the video was more concerned with transferring striking force within a more limited duration of time and concentrating force transference within a more limited internal area of an opponent as opposed to positionally moving the aggregate mass of an opponent as far as possible.

Yes exactly, theres no point in moving your opponent backwards unless you're fighting on a cliff or maybe trying to get him in a corner

It was a good Fa Lesson though which means explosive basically, But this is not in the realm of Jinn.

It's an explanation not demonstration. Words are required to explain. Even though he does demonstrate a few times as well.

Hahaha good one mate! Yes please anyone reading this do look up Adam Mizner, you'll videos where someone literally just touches his shoulder and then falls to the ground. If you think that kind of thing works then maybe you still believe in Santa as well?

@Mei Jing Yes hypnosis and mind games can be a very powerful thing, unfortunately they only work on those who want to believe that it works, it's very easy to control someone who wants to believe in magic, I've done it myself, then Ive told that person it's all just mind game and they then stop letting me control them. For example one time a guy was demonstrating this Qi draining technique, without touching he waved his hands over the student, the student was then asked to try and hold his arms up as we pushed down on them, his body was too weak. Me and my guys then said I wonder if it still works if the student closes his eyes? So the student closed his eyes, then the teacher was about to do the draining method, but we stopped him with out saying anything so the student would not hear, so absolutely nothing was done to the student, we then tested his strength again, and just like before he had no strength to hold his arms up, proving that it was all in his own mind. Dont let these people control you Mate, you're stronger than that.

@Mei Jing SO explain why he can only do it to some people? Why is it that every person I know who has been skeptical has had nothing happen to them? Or he won't even try in the first place. I've heard this same claim countless times. I wrote to him and asked if I come to see him at a workshop will he be able to make me move like this, his reply was that everyone gets effected differently, so he can't guarantee what will happen. Funny that, because every person he does it too on video moves the same way. He was very evasive. I've not met him myself but have seen countess others doing the same tricks, and every time they have been unable to have even the slightest effect on me, and that's with me standing very calm in no way trying to resist etc.

@Mei Jing Well lets just leave it as we disagree, there's no way you'll convince me it's real and there's no way I'll convince you it's fake. If I ever get the chance to meet Adam I'll make a video about him explaining what I didn't feel.

don't look up his brother Jason Mizner

you are correct!

Michel Boulet Americans…

Americans? Learn your accents. Yes if you want to nit pick jing is not the right way, just like Tai Chi is not the right way.

yoooooo.....at 12 :45 he definitely lost me.... " just attack there eli ... whoaa whoooo whaaaoo whoooo (indistinct sounds being made) " ...

I agree with you that Dads knowledge of other styles was limited and he should not have made comments like this based on such limited knowledge. But that doesn’t mean his own skills were not good. Also in this case what he meant about Karate pulling their fist back etc, he was talking about those poor karate styles that actually do this as a way of punching, rather than understanding the real reason behind the pulling back of the fist. However my Dad often talked highly of the original systems of karate saying they were quite similar to Taiji.

@@taichiworld What's the purpose of pulling back the fist?

@@matthewbaumann630 Well I don’t know much about Karate myself, but my guess would be something like a wrist hold. It perhaps like in Wing Chun where they pull their elbows back to strengthen the back.

There's no such thing as internal force. In order to put pressure through something you have to use physical force. Internal force, is actually an oxymoron, because qi/jin/energy cannot move something. When we talk about internal martial arts, the internal part, the Qi, by this being more healthy and strong, everything in your body functions better, your body will be looser, more relaxed etc, this make you punch harder with less effort, hence why it is called an internal punch. Nothing to do with your energy creating force.

Obviously you were never hit by him

@@stevenmorris8325 obviously you've never felt my hand 😉

@@stevenmorris8325 thats fair, but you never felt my strikes either :)

@@NinjatoSama I'm shaking in my boots.

Good you should be

So he passed? Wow, I just subscribed; was looking forward to more lessons.

Rest his soul/chi in peace

Yeah I don't understand why Dad often made blanket statements like that, since many times he would often say that good karate is very similar to Taiji, then he makes a blanket statement like this. Showing how it all really works is something I'm working on at the moment, I did a video a few months ago from our Combat camp where it shows some light sparring. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Aejvdz59Bew.html

Hello Yang Ming. The spelling is not incorrect, it is simply the older way of spelling it, there are many different ways of spelling a lot of the Chinese words, Bagua, Bagwa, Pakua for example. So there's no need to try and fixate on the smallest of things just to be nasty, that's not the way to get your point across, be nice and people will listen to you, be nasty and no one will. Now from your point of view, what you know to be FaJinn is obviously very different to what we call Fa-jing. So far you haven't given any information in your comment, you've just pointed out how wrong everything is in the video, not in a very constructive way either. So if you would actually care to discuss your views on the matter, then please do. I find the best thing to start with is if you can post a video of yourself or someone else doing what you would regard as good FaJinn, as I've have so many talks with people saying all this good stuff, but then when they finally show a video, it's of some fake throwing his students across the room with his Qi power, so I like video first, this way we both know where we stand. Regards, Eli

Moontagu hectic, maybe he found the video offensive. Your father is rather belittling of other arts.

Oh yeah Dad was terrible like that! When I was younger I did it a bit as well, but soon learnt that it's not the way forward, even if someone nowadays totally trash talks what I or my father does, I'll still be polite and respect all arts, unless they are throwing people with their Qi, that I will always call bull shit on :-)

Moontagu His vid is cool, I think the only thing people get irritated with is that aspect. Good mindset Eli

Yeah I find it irritating myself, but it's part of the history books now, so I don't think it would be right for me to edit his videos and take out these parts. They are what they are, what's important is that I have learnt from his mistakes and so no longer do this.

Or mayby you are to impatient to try to understand what he is trying to explain? It is complicated stuff man.

tell him that.

Did you not see the thing he was punching? It's not a stable thing to punch so you can't see the force and he's demonstrating anyways. A master doesn't have to be strong to teach long as he knows the principals. Also that spacing of . . . is rude, he's teaching you this for free. There's no ads on this video.

Also read this. www.taijiworld.com/fa-jing.html

I also think it wouldn't be a good idea to try fa jing on real people even if they wear guards. It sounds something so deadly like a energy poison. It will knock the life force out of the person if striked right. I think it can instantly kill someone too if it's good enough, truely one of the best moves of all kung fu.

Thar's cuz he knows you're hard of hearing :-)

@@user-gq6dg7ee6d nooooo, i thought i had made that move for myself and my future students but it seemed it already exist

I agree lol Why is it erle montagues tai chi looks nothing like anyone elses.

As a student of this school of taiji I can assure you it’s not bs. Watch Eli’s videos...

Thank you for your helpful insights.

Show me yours to validate your comment :-)

@@taichiworld its not a competition, its just that you have not demonstrated it in that particular video...you can always make another vid with better demonstration.

@@yogavibe2516 yes but opinions are invalid unless I know who you are. 99% of the time when someone says this is not fajin they either know nothing at all or they live in a fairytale and think that fajin is to throw someone back by just using Qi. I'm not saying you are either of those things, you might be a really good martial artist, but since I don't know who you are nor have you given any reasoning to your opinion I don't see any point in discussing it. I think its fajin you think its not, show my you are qualified to have an opinion and I'd love to then talk about you way 🙂

@@taichiworld Fair enough , I meant no disrespect, All the best to you and your lineage.

Yoga Vibe is right. This is not a demonstration of Yang style fa jin. Observe Adam Mizner and Liang de hua's demonstrations online. And of course please go verify their skills or their students in person like I have. It is unfortunate people spend years in these systems and walk away with no authentic internal development and skill. A real shame. Know the difference between physical force, and jin. That at least gets you closer to understanding what is NOT fa jin. From how I see your response to critics, even if a master like Adam, Sifu Sergio Pascal Iadarola or Liang de hua tells you this is not fajin, and shows you a video, you will say it's invalid; as you should. Verify their skills in person is the most honest way if you have the chance. You're still young, explore and seek out real skill and learn it. You'll be amazed by the depth of potential authentic taiji has to offer.

In what way is my late father a charlatan mate?

@@taichiworld Exactly what I said earlier. Your late father never developed fa jin. He lied. It is easy enough to notice on the videos. Another charlatan profiteering from innocent people.

@@gullydantes5607 A charlatan is someone who deliberately sells bull shit, knowing that it’s bull shit. Personally I disagree with you, but even if my father did not gain “true” fajin, to his knowledge what he taught was fajin. Therefore you could in your opinion say that he is wrong, that he has poor skills etc, but he was an honest man teaching good movement to gain huge power in striking. So, a charlatan he was not.

@@taichiworldI know that lineage doesn’t really matter too much ,but I can ask which lineage that your family teaches ? I know that John Painter had a shady lineage that can’t be looked up. I’m happy to sign up to your online course if lineage can be explained to me.the amount of information and training content on here and your online course is amazing.

@@Freddy19677 Hey Gary. For the Taiji side of things, we have two lines coming in through my dad. One is Yang Cheng-fu, Dad learnt from Chu King Hung, one of Yang Sau Chung’s main students, Sau Chung being cheng-fu’s eldest son. He also met and had some input from Sau Chung himself while he was training in Hong Kong. He trained with other members of that line such as Fu Zhong Wen as well. Then for most of what we do it comes from the Shou Ho line. Dad trained with many teachers, but his main one was Chang Yiu Chun, who told dad he was a student of Shou Ho.