Talking to Advocate Glynnis Breytenbach of the DA about the nomination of Dr John Hlophe to the JSC For more news, visit sabcnews.com and #SABCNews on all Social Media platforms.
If we were to use moral conducts as a benchmark for acquiring positions in the parliament? We can then say, Ramaphosa is not supposed to be a president of South Africa due to Phalaphala gross misconduct. Zizi Kodwa is not supposed to be in parliament due to the corruption case that is above on his head. We should be using the same moral standards for all. So hands off Dr John Hlophe.
@@rockpoppets6182it is because he was protected by an incompetent aspiring public protector which was a compromised position. She wanted to be confirmed into the position whilst protecting Ramaphosa. So it doesn't matter. Ramaphosa accepted that that was his money hidden what else would you want.
@@rockpoppets6182 because they stopped it from going to court, they know Ramaphosa has a serious case to answer and it's not one that won't implicate him in a crime
I don't know this noise about Hlophe he will be there as a politician. President Matamela Ramaphosa will be appointing the judges not Hlophe. So the DA and everyone who's against this must sit down and be quiet.
You know Xulu. Why must we seat and discuss racism. Imagine we are discussing this nonsense because of racism. In fact, Mkhonto and EFF must formulate military wings to fight crime and form units to investigate white-collar crime and corruption if they are serious about transforming this country. What is clear to everyone is that, white people believe in racism. The only way to deal with this is total change. This nonsense of law is not working. This DA racism has caused ANC to perpetuate racism. This is about it. If you think the judiciary is serious look at the case of Senzo. purely nonsense.
His profession is no longer that of judge position and the impeachment was for that portfolio as a judge. Indeed he's a politician and no one can do anything except advocate for change of the constitution. We have people who violated the oath of office, worse they are members of parliament and serve in the executive but no one is making noise about it which clearly tells us about the problem with a disfigured constitution that is foreign to the aborigines of this land!
@@mossfairy3060 the trouble is the very same parliament is led by mafias and they are even serving in the executive. Worse the same organizations signed an agreement to protect their alliance on the basis of power including the disgust or hate of these people narrated by the elite. The only time they can hold themselves accountable is when they review all legislations including the ability for civil rights organizations to hold all executives of government accountable but knowing the bias of these hired institutions have eyes for were their interests lies not because they seek to protect the nation in total. These people will never challenge government and private sector regarding colluding in ensuring that people have services in the basis of unfair treatment to the nation in particular using race color who remains under the foundation of a controlled system of poverty by the owners of economy. These are things I wonder why is it so 🤔
South Africa’s basic foundation itself is not based on ethics and morality. We absorbed the judges, police officers, soldiers even the president of cruel authoritarian regime into our new democratic government. People literally got away with murder and today we are told about ethics and morality just because the judge was impeached for political reasons. Let Dr Hlope serve his country and his people…our democracy is still maturing. One day both sides will be equal satisfied and equal dissatisfied but for now it’s this side vs that side…let it be… Those who speak on their selective morality know exactly why things are the way they are…
Wat that has to do with impeachment 🤔..gross conduct ..wat is your point..totally out of context...Are u saying that if someone has a degree, they're given the right by parliament to sit in positions without having any moral and ethics..jst becos he has a degree 🤔.your comment is biased, not based on what is right or wrong.
There are handlers of these NGOs that are against Hlophe and we need to follow the money we will know and see who is paying them and whose interest are they serving
Leave Dr John Hlophe alone. We wants competent people to represent us in the parliament. Dr John Hlophe is the competent person to be put on JSC position.
When you are removed from the Bench its means you are tainted. We spend time and resources beating about the bush. When will wrong be wrong. This man should be embarrassed to even show his face let alone serve on the same office that removed him. What is the definition of insanity...
How can he be competent because he supports greed and corruption he supposed to be in jail he does respect the rule of law justice and democracy he is I disgrace to the law society
@@Joe90MCtell us who justify their actions of impeachment? There is no court of law which ruled against Hlophe. Which rule that said Hlophe is not allowed in parliament. Plz gogo white qoute the rule
From PAARL in the Western Cape and a PROUD Coloured Male. Former JUDGE-President of the Western Cape HIGH COURT with the Highest Qualifications in that JSC or even amongst all PARLIAMENTARIANS. Judge John Hlophe: PhD in Law with two Degrees, DOCTORATE and MASTERS in LAW
@@grietjiephelps6172 Correctly 💯 so😂...But wasn't it the DA all along since the advent of Democratic South Africa 🇿🇦, preaching this narrative "Fit-for-purpose" and educational qualifications??? When everybody including the DA chastised JULIUS MALEMA regarding his Woodwork Subject in Grade 12, I was the one who was saying that even a woodwork Student can manufacturing the best built-in kitchen units, Lounge Tv units and even the knotty-pine ceilings....!!! And yes afterwards JULIUS MALEMA equiped himself to further his studies and achieved his BA Degree! So what changed now??? That we have highly Educated African Blacks and Coloureds on the forefront of politics? So why doesn't it matters now? By the way Law and the CONSTITUTION of the country cannot be argued on the basis of "MORALS, VALUES and ETHICAL LEADERSHIP" . Politicians all-over the World arent Pastors, Clergymen and women to point them the ETHICAL values of Politics. These guys are democratically elected by various masses of the Electorate and as such the DA much respect that if they see themselves as LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!!!
The majority of our members of parliament are all compromised. We use corrupt former ministres, deputy ministres who were found guilty on different occasion. The Da argument is full of jealousy.
If DA was using Moral and Ethics as measuring tools or Benchmarks, they wouldn't have gone to Bed with the ANC in the 1st place, as they made it crystal clear that they would never work with mediocre & Criminal ANC, and their Electoral Campaigns were clearly stated that they got into Multi-Parties forum with other small parties like Actions SA with the mandate to Remove ANC from Power, yet the very same DA unashamedly got into bed with those same alleged Criminals "ANC" just because they wanted Executive- Positions, while Parties like Actions SA are left in the Dark...besides they called president Ramaphosa a failure and law breaker when it comes to Phalaphala but sadly they change their tune in supporting his Presidential candidacy against all odds... Clearly DA has No Shame, neither Moral nor Ethics!!! Therefore, they should allow Dr John Hlophe to peacefully serve & boost the JSC with his experience, knowledge and expertise.
Not long ago before government was announced, they suggested that the outgoing government was too bloated and they advocated to downsize the GNU Government, yet they wanted 12 Portfolios including 12 Deputies to themselves, just because it suits them to partake into cake-sharing, they are now comfortably quiet serving into the most Bloated Government that SA never had since the dawn of Democracy in 1994. Such double standards can not be justified!!! So where are DA Morals and Ethics??? Why now on Dr Hlophe's matter??? Please DA, let's us be Consistent instead of changing stances depending on who you are dealing with. Tata Madiba said, i quote: "if a man/woman changes his/her stance depending on who he/she is dealing with, such a person can not lead a Nation "
Infact they must not therefore allow Hlophe to JSC,they don't have that right to allow or disallow him , the Parliament with it's rules and the constitution of the land allows him
That's exactly what happened when Zuma became the president. Siting polical reasons. He became the president and now watch what is happening. He wants to become the president again and take over the government.
@@rockpoppets6182 you must go and read about the DA magistrate NPA 2012 report before you comment she s in Parliament. Tell me if you would feel the same after😂😂
Can someone who was a criminal be appointed to a ministerial position, remember money is involved 🙊but I don't hear any noise 🙈hands off Honorable Dr. Hlope 🕺
@thecombo4946 Aren't those like the DA another who STOLE OUR LANDS AREN'T THEY CRIMINALS? BE HONEST! Look at the dutch land theft talking about criminality, she's forgets that's she's is guilty of land theft
Some people keep on saying Hlophe should do the ethical or right thing, if he doesn’t believe in his whole impeachment, certainly the right thing for him would be to avail himself to serve in JSC. What is ethical to one, might not be ethical to another person, it depends on certain groups interests ( think of inequalities and economic differences due to others benefiting from the gains of apartheid and see if ethics are seen by All from the same angle). The constitution is not a book written by Almighty creator of heavens and earth, it might be respected around the globe, but why can it not be legally changed within the parameters of the law? It makes provisions of amendments itself, which means it can be changed following specific processes. The reality is that there are South Africans who believe that the same constitution of their country is not addressing the injustices of the past. The question is, must they not talk about their views of challenging the status-quo? The comments just depend on which side of the table you are, in terms of life you are living. The reality is that some are happy with certain parts of the constitution and some are unhappy and it is not being an unconstitutional individual if you voice your opinion otherwise that is trying to silence people. If the parliament was to agree in constitutionally addressing the “Hlophe issue” to avoid from happening in the future, would that be unconstitutional to add/amend the constitution because our constitution is respected globally? Our constitution should work for us, not us working for it. It needs to address our realities not to please people out of South Africa at the expense of the voters who have not yet gained the freedom which they dream of in their country.
You are confusing content with process. A common mistake. If your laws reflect your particular ideology ( and like the USA, SA 's constitutional laws reflects post enlightenment views) then process will dominate values- because of the supposed autonomy of the individual, this , again, supposedly collectivised , but which is shaky ground.....and if you think a constitution is essentially a law maker in its own right, then that will not get you a passmark.Because constitutions demarcate boundaries. Every socialist state ,for example ,with a constitution shaped to further socialism will not be able to protect basic rights= because the individual has at its base no autonomy.
Wow wabeka kwezwakala . Kuyakhuthaza ukuzwa abantu abafana nawe and millions bekhuluma iqiniso abacindezeli abangathandi ukulizwa .Thank you for such powerfull comment.
I am in full support of his appointment because he was impeached because he was advocating taking a land without compensation and he explained which land the government can tate with immediate effects
😂😂😂lapho even bo Clement very clever blacks don't seem to understand what a state organ is. They can go read PAJA(Promotion of Adminstrative Justice Act) to get a definition of a State Organ. Members of the legislature such as Dr Hlophe aren't clothed with state authority which means they aren't state organs or functionaries. Those that want to go to court can go there bezozwa kahle what the courts have to say about separation of powers. Ukuqina kwabantu
By that time they voted for Ramaphosa with Phala Phala Farmgate allegations they even wrote a letter to FBI these bloody racists and hypocrites ..odoti uqobo lwabo😂😂
@@donaldchikudo1521 you do not know me - your opinion of me does not matter. But people elected to represent me - their character DOES matter . I do NOT appreciate having a person with a history of unethical behavior placed in a role that is going to impact MY life.
What is it that they're afraid off😂😂 let MP Judge Hlophe to serve as South Africans has voice out their wish through vote. It's not about DA neither ANC feelings but for Ordinary Cetizens so please begoff✊
The principle of legality says "you cannot make law as you go", Meaning you cannot formulate law when one person is before the law on a certain principle. So what Breytebach is saying really falls short. There's no law barring Dr. Hlophe from participating in the JSC, and such law cannot be made now, it becomes unlawful. Perhaps we can debate the "ethics" element on this matter, but not legality. And in my opinion, Hlophe is ethically qualified to seat on JSC by virtue of him being eligible to seat in the high seat of Parliament.
I take this appointment for Mr Hlophe is the best ever RSA never have person like Mr Hlophe education level. As MK i say big up to MK with all parties tht vote for this man. This show how this parties want the best for this country
It was used as an idiom (but you know that) but feel free to self-identify as a dog if you wish. 😉👍 The correct idiom Zille should have been "throw KZN to the wolves" or to say "KZN will go to the dogs". She mixed her idioms.
But as I remember this is a man send to influence two judges to vote in favour of Zuma by Zuma which led to him being found guilty of gross misconduct by judicial conduct tribunal and JSc subsequently recommended for impeachment in terms of sec 177 and ANC and DA voted for his removal. So is it ethical for a man who carry a record of dishonesty serve in the same body that declared him dishonest to validate other judges or safe guard the judicial conduct of other judges? 😂
So the majority members of parliament from different political parties voted for Dr Hlophe to be in JSC, dat real democracy, let de will of de representitive prevail
Is he going to JSC as a judge or a MKP member of parliament? What is the criteria to be appointed to JSC? I thought one have to be a member of parliament. Maybe the other thing, Is Dr Hlophe in parliament as an impeached judge or a member of MKP parliament? Am an outside though!
We must be clear here. Hlophe was found guilty by JCT(judicial conduct committee) that committee comprises of judges only. Hlophe is elected to JSC, which conducts interviews for judges. He is there as a politician, deployed by his party. Don't confuse the two
This woman just said that she's quite sure that by tomorrow some NGO will file some papers to challenge the appointment of Dr Mandlakayise John Hlophe to the JSC and i would have expected Clement to challenge her on that very peculiar statement 🫣
Hahaa. SA media hardly challenges DA people especially when it comes to attacking consummate African professionals such as Professor Mandlakayise John Hlophe. SA news media is a disgrace. It must be challenged at all material times for it's nefarious agendas directed at African persons.
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@nathanagnew9167 you're sad... luckily your children don't share the same sentiments.... they'll acclimate with us and join our country az you wither away spewing swart gevaar
