In part two episode of Winnie Mandela, Faces of Africa goes deeper into Winnie Madikizela's life after Mandela's release from prison. Faced with both praise and despise, Winnie maintains an iconic status amidst scandalous events.
To us, she was a Liberator. That is what we needed at the time, a Liberator not a Saint. She may have had imperfections (who didn't?), but she was perfect for her role in liberating us - her People! RIP Mama
I never knew what she did during the apartheid era.. Bt this woman was very strong Mandela should have stood by her and ignore her faults, she did it for him were it not for her we would never know about Mandela. I salute winnie.
Winnie stood behind Mandela to bring freedom in South Africa. The people achieved their dream of Mandela. Winnie sacrificed everything for Mandela successful.
@@afrikan1000 sometimes it's not always like that, I still bilv that despite the devorce they loved each other and that is why she kept her husbands name alive
I'm from Zimbabwe and l consider Winnie to be a Saint and a Hero to the people of Africa. She fought a good war and stood by one of the celebrated if not the most celebrated African Leader "Nelson Mandela" during his toughest and darkest times, may their souls rest in internal peace
The thought that we as African we carry that in 1994 Afrika was free at last is or was a lie. We have never being free, our oppressor changed the faces of white man with that of a black man, Why was people like Chris Hani, Samora Machel, PLO Lemumba, Thomas Sankara , Mohammed Ghaddafi,Robert Mogabe ,Tafewa Balewa, just to mention the few this are true leaders that Afrika had who were to put the wealth of this continent in the hands of the people. Only puppets live to continue with the agenda of the europeans. The white man was afraid of this strong woman during apartheid what more during so called democracy she will crash them by her voice or sight in public, So a smear campaign was their solution to silence her and to separate her from Nelson so that she cannot keep an eye on Nelson. If Winnie was never separated from Nelson and had a voice in this country during Democracy the economy might have being transferred and the likes of Ramaphosa might have not seen the light of the day.
In African languages we don't have words like "saint" and "sinner". These are translations of foreign words. Therefor, Winnie was a warrior, a die-hard African warrior on par with the likes of Queen Nzhinga and we salute her 👏 May her soul rest in peace and her spirit live in those left behind to continue the struggle. ALUTA CONTINUA ✊
@@flowrepins6663 You have No heaven or Hell to put Mrs. Mandela in and she was A very strong courageous beautiful inspiring got lots of guts black woman She had no control over other people Actions but she put all the effort she Had to help South Africa 🇿🇦 It's very sad 😥 everyone the Chinese The Europeans keep coming there And stealing from South Africa but GOD will chastise them all one day ....
Winnie was Xhosa. If you're gonna pretend to be a Patriotic African atleast know which language she speaks and refrain from ideology about these are western saying because even as a White guy who can speak both Zulu and Xhosa everyone will tell you that UMoni is Holy which is Saint and oNgcwele is Sinner. Now Ngoku ndicela ume sithethe obububhanxa. Uzama ukuphakamisa into engekhoyo😂
My hero was Winnie before her death I have been saying this , Mandela was a sell out and ddnt protect her maybe He fell out of love how can u not protect sam1 who was there for u for 27 years she never got remarried she just needed to feel loved physically he was the only love of her life but Mandelas true love was power maybe that's why he sold out and without her you would have been another person forgotten in history ...Mama I will love you forever ,I am getting my opportunities in life because of you thank you and thank you for always being for black rights
For whatever sin she has committed, "he/she that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." For all the great things she has done, her accomplishments, her sacrifices, her sweat, her tears, her blood, her struggles, not just South Africans but all Africans are in debt to her. I am not South Africans but I am grateful.
Adellin Randriantarika she took a 14 year old put him in a tire and set him on fire! She has blood on her hands. That 14 year old was 1 of many! Get real
Winnie Madikizela Mandela is truly a black saint, she fought for what was right for African by then........... She deserves more appreciation and I think UTATA betrayed her at the time she really needs his care and support.
Nelson Mandela would have long been forgotten /past away in Robben Island if Winnie Mandela was not there....she is a compassionate/courageous human while many others are not at the same time...
+Vickie Weiss She is a murderer, a killer, she should have never never been allowed to walk freely among citizens for the egregious crimes she committed.
Even the queen of England should be rotting in jail now. She has killed generations of black people. Why is De Klerk free? He is personally responsible for the genocide in South Africa during the Apartheid era.
I don't care what they say about The Queen. Winnie Mandela was and will forever be an African Queen. An inspiration. There would have been no Mandela without Winnie Madikizela.
She actually deserved everything actually, wish she could be voted as the president cause she is the one who fought for freedom in really sense. She deserved more than what she was given.
Lovelm Purple I disagree, they were long since divorced, you leave your family and your wife in your will, if this was any other person I don't think you would be saying that, if some other man and woman were married no matter how many children she gave him or whatever and they finally got divorced and when he died many years later he didn't leave her money you would not be saying that that's unfair And she didn't really go through all of that for him if you think about if she did it for herself if anything she used him to bolster her own self and she was out for all those years able to do whatever she wants and cheat on him meanwhile benefiting off of his name and his calls while he was rotting in jail
zahra shah That's your opinion. But I still say she did sacrifice for him. She went to jail got beaten, humiliated, been isolated from family and friends, as well as banished to a place with people she did not know, because she wanted attention come on that's to far fetched. She was the main voice to get him out of jail. As well as being targeted herself. And being separated from her kids. As far as the cheating go well I won't say that's right, but he was locked away for 30 years she is human. She just suppose to be celibate for 30 years Come on. They did grow apart after he came out of jail but they had been separated for so long the damage has been done. But she sacrificed a lot for him he could have left her something to appreciate that even if they were not married anymore.
Zahra: You leave in ay Will for whom you want, period, it is not for family, it is for who you choose. Mandela from a moral stand point, should never have left out Winnie Mandela.
Colin Roach you just said it, you leave it for who you want and he didn't want to leave her anything, and that is right, whatever you would do ethically or morally is your business with your money. But he didn't over anything and he had every right to choose not to leave her anything. Keep in mind that we don't know very much about went on between them privately on a personal level you have absolutely no idea of how much she already benefit it off of him informally and how much dislike and the trail might've gone on between the two of them, furthermore, if she had died before him and she had some money this wouldn't even be a discussion right now you wouldn't even be telling me that she should've left him money if it was the other way around
Colin Roach and try not to be such a hypocrite, if you get in the way of a vicious Golddigger who sucks you dry and benefits off of you for years and years and you finally break free you should think long and hard whether or not you would want to leave her anything either. She's also very lavish in her ways it's not like he left her dying in a ditch as well that's something also to Be considered, if she wants to go around with tons of ladies maids and an army of bodyguards for probably more than he ever had etc. then that's her business and she needs to find that
This is the first time I am really watching and learning about South Africa...jeez Nelson was one wicked and ungrateful man...I don't know what kind of person I would have been if I had gone through what this STRONG, POWERFUL, ADMIRABLE, BRAVE, COURAGEOUS, LOYAL and CARING WOMAN have gone through...really sad...I wonder if it was worth it
Mandela betrayed this woman.basically she contributed much in the fight against apartheid as compared to mandela. It's so sad that most south africans have been brainwashed by the oppressor to believe that Mam Winnie was a murderer, No1 goes clean if we are to analyse the apartheid period, the oppressor had weapons guns...poor winnie and her people had no choice but to fight the oppressor by burning them . Humanity should learn to give credit where it's worthy.Rest in power mother of the nation.
This is the first documentary I have seen so far about her. So, based on it I can say that she is a saint who sacrificed her entire life for the country and an wrong doing whether she was accused of or proven can not take away that from her. She is indeed a saint!
In the history of Africa in at least the twentieth century, no woman has sacrificed so much in the struggle for the independence of any nation. Therefore in my humble opinion, Winnie earned the right to be recognised as Mama Africa not just the mother of South Africa for the following reasons. Winnie had the option to sell out or live off the comfort her publicity afforded but she chose either and remained faithful to the very end. Viva Winnie, viva Africa!!!!....this is from a Nigerian with no affiliation with South Africa.
Wow. This woman was amazing. It’s not a question of whether she was a saint or a sinner, no one in this world could claim to be neither at a time. In those days certainly the line between good and bad had long been blurred by competing forces surrounding what aught to be done vs what was necessary to do. I understand why Nelson Mandela needed to distance himself from her. Fundamentally, they both had similar ideologies, however they each lived through different experiences under the same regime, and these created opposing approaches to overcoming the evil. Madiba felt the necessity for the ANC to come out blameless because he understood the importance of mediation and he was sensitive to the scrutiny of the international community. Esp during that time. Winnie, was very quickly disillusioned by the idea that white supremacists could genuinely untangle themselves from the sense of entitlement to oppressing black people (which let’s be honest is a whole other kind of struggle in itself even to this very day). For the overall future, integrity and legacy of SA, like Tata, I have to be an optimist and believe that somehow blacks and whites (and all other races in 🇿🇦 ) will together work towards inching the socioeconomic gap. Granted, this sort of hope will see us living decades (I pray not centuries!) in a SA still rife with the aftershocks from apartheid. Nevertheless, a move toward swift radicalism will quickly land us Zim status, whom we under appropriate lighting tend to strike a disturbingly similar resemblance to. Winnie was underrated, we could have benefited from her brilliant mind. I do wish though, that the example that President Nelson Mandela was trying to set had been paid careful attention to, and learnt from by the recent party leaders when he stepped in to release Winner off of her duties. More evidence of his exquisite character. I can only imagine the internal turmoil he must have felt, probably not comparable to the hurt and disappointment Winnie experienced. This documentary was clearly biased in so many ways and it was easy to see through.
Truth be told Winnie was there when we needed a saviour and when Mandela was in prison she was there for him. And if she wasn't there we could be talking differently & having lot's of regrets so she took our regrets & we were liberated just like Jesus sacrificed his life for us to be liberated from our sins of regrets. Kudos mama Winnie R.I.P
I have always known that Mandela was a sellout, how could you turn your back on someone who never leave you, fight for you no matter what I would give up the world for for her. I love you mama Winnie, you live in my heart.
This so inspiration. against all odds , suffering, torturing incidents , exploitation and marginalization. Winnie is a African struggle icon. I m proud im currently doing the career which she was qualified for.
God bless her , she is a saint and deserved to be honoured in all Africa country, as for mendela not including her in his will it's hurting , shows there is nothing u can do to make everyone happy , viva Africa viva mama Africa Winnie
Correction in 27 years. And she was a fearless women, gave up her life her youth her motherhood for the struggle before you judge ask yourself if you could have done what she did for her husband and mostly the country. Think before you talk
@@zandilendlovu6651 you read that all wrong. What is meant by the statement is how was Mam Winnie expected to remain faithful for almost 3 decades? Do you know how long 10 years is? Now imagine 27 years fam. That's a long time, to remain faithful for that long? It's a dream
A saint of course and a revolutionary for ever. No biting about the bush , there would no Nelson Mandela without Winnie's strength and fighting resilience.
This woman will allways be remember when you hear the name Nelson Mandela you will hear Winnie Mandela i dont know if she was a saint or a sinner but i will leave that to God
Struggles like this sometimes make you look like the bad person but what she did was for the freedom of blacks and she couldn't have done it a different way ... Desperate times always call for desperate measures. She fought a good fight.
Murdering is something else than "something wrong". If it was you son the child that got his throat sliced by a katana maybe you wouldn´t call her a saint. Plus I don´t recall any saint claiming that by his "necklace" he would liberate any country.
I have always been more interested in Winnie than Nelson. I fully agree with her approach towards things. I would have done the same. RIP,Winnie. You are my heroin💯♀️💞
Winnie Mandela will be remembered as one of the fiercest Liberators that will ever walk this land. Ofcourse there are people who will look at her faults both the real ones and the manufactured and point fingers. Still, I choose to remember her as the fearless Queen she was. and one day they will build statues of Winnie Mandela in every country in every corner in S.A, and everywhere else in Africa.
On 24 April 2003, Winnie Mandela was convicted on 43 counts of fraud and 25 of theft, and her broker, Addy Moolman, was convicted on 58 counts of fraud and 25 of theft. Both had pleaded not guilty.
What a misleading documentary. You did a good job in trying to make it seem like you are speaking good of our fighter while you went all out to smear her name. AMANDLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Winnie Mandela had a sense of entitlement? Does the white female professor understand the deleterious effect of the incarceration of a single child upon the entire family? Well, what if BOTH a husband and wife are incarcerated? Damn. I never knew that the South African government was so damn good to the millions of blacks that it murdered until "Wicked Winnie" Mandela came along and took the Country to hell in a handbasket.
Strength of a woman = a life lived, loved, freedom fighter, compelling, social worker, revolutionary, women and children advocate, liberator, resilient, steadfast, architect of democracy in SA🕯🦁🕯👣🦄 unapologetic
Plus she was 20 years younger than him. Not surprised, she probably found men her age were not stimulating enough for her. He was 20yrs older and spent 27yrs of his prime years in jail. What did anyone expect? And Mandela was shielded from the ugly terror of every day life in black South Africa, because he was locked up in a jail on an Island. He didn't see the violence, so he would be more ready to forgive.
iam proud of her she is human she's not perfect she stood up to a racist digusting government and went threw hell torture banishment but remain a sane person that's a saint cause I know if I had been threw what she been threw I would have done way worse than her
No matter what fake news, propaganda or mis-information that is being put out there by white people or black puppet agents to tarnish the "image" of this GREAT ICON and LIBERATOR, it will NOT change our perspective of recognizing Winnie Mandela as one of the most respected human being that has ever walk on this planet. The memory of the righteous is blessed (Prov. 10 vs 7-Christian Bible). What could be more scandalous when the ANC under the leadership of Nelson Mandela negotiated with the leader of the white supremacists in south afrika DeClerk to retain the economic apartheid status quo (white control over the economy, control of the land and mineral resources in it) in exchange for token political positions, pursuing a “forget the past” policy via the fraud “Truth and Reconciliation” committee. to exonerate AND appease the white psychopaths of their crimes against black people, admitting the white psychopath Dirk Coetzee (the commander of a Police death squad) that was responsible for the murder and death of many black freedom fighters in SA to join the ANC and the ANC betraying the people in their struggle by putting the corporate interests of the architects of apartheid above the main objective of liberating south afrika from the tentacles of white supremacy ??? .On the matter of reconciliation is it the Creator who reconciles him/herself with the sinner/transgressor or is it NOT the duty of the sinner/transgressor to reconcile (make things right) with the Creator ? To pursue unity at all cost to appease one's oppressor without some form of compensation (reparatory justice) is an act of wickedness and betrayal to the victims of exploitation/oppression. What is the right to vote worth without ECONOMIC POWER ??? What is the right to vote worth without ECONOMIC POWER ??? What is the right to vote worth without ECONOMIC POWER ??? Political independence without economic power is independence without substance. What can you do with a dead battery ???
I think for smoother transition Mandela conformed to the white way of doing business and advancing politically, when the blood of the black people that was shed needed to be vindicated in the form of uncompromising return of what was rightfully theirs from the start! There is no way had the shoe been on the other foot, the white ppl would have continued suffering! Had Winnie become president however, she would have brought to the table the understanding of the suffering ppl and made reform to address that! She was amongst them all along as a witness to their daily suffering with a heart of compassion and a determination to make things better for all. The video I saw of a propagandist who worked for the then regime, Paul Erasmus, brought clarity to me. Men when they have power in their sight can go to the lowest of lows to obtain it! She is innocent. It was said that the entire football club were informants... who knows they were probably worried that stomp is who was one of them would break and tell Winnie, so he was proported by them to be the informer and killed him so that their own betrayal of Winnie would die with him.. true or not, God is the revealer of the heart and the truth will all come out , I believe to the vindication of this great woman! God bless her!
Sheila Meintjes you got to credit her midst your negative comments. She had no time to be prim and proper, are you aware of prison arrests and her struggle against the evil inhumane behavior of the apartheid regime towards her She paid a high price for her husband's release and keeping his name alive during his imprisonment. Brave woman admire her
Nozamo Winnie Mandela was a courageous Pan African leader, warrior and queen. Mama Winnie Mandela was bold, beautiful and beastly if she wants to be. Definitely Mama Winnie should have been to President of South Africa and Brother Jules Malema her VP. Mama Winnie was a strong and courageous individual who oppose Apartheid to the core as well as made Soweto her life and soul. Mama Winnie Mandela a leader, a warrior, a queen and a sheroe.
I wonder why there is not a single story like this narrated, of those who made Winnie's life so traumatic. I mean those who jailed her husband for fighting for black liberation. Are they saints or sinners? I trust that one day we'll see true justice and fairness in South Africa . Sheila Mentjies has audacity to speak as if she comes from a generation of saints and a saint herself .
bethere5151 Love Winnie and she did the right thing. Invaders are not justified to occupy the land of the real owners, butcher them in their thousands and make racist rules to justify their illegal occupation.
I am a male (of African descent) by way of the United Snakes of Amerikkka... let me say this, should you speak of, Queen 👑 Winnie, put some RESPECT on HER name...or do not speak at all!!! One Love for Queen 👑 Winnie
She was a liberator not a sinner or saint. That's all what we needed back in the days. After all Nelson Mandela betrayed the lady made him to be an icon...
Madiba should have ignore this fault n stood by her. Again am not really happy that Madiba didn't include her in his will. This woman is a strong woman. We are human n mistake n errors are inevitable... RIP MAMA. Though I didn't see u live but u thought me a lesson with the kind of life u lived
Liberations movements in Africa always forget the plights of African people after they have secured the power. One example is ANC in South Africa, few black people and majority of whites are the ones enjoying the new South Africa.
All of this was made clear by the ANC so-called feeedom charter of 1955 which stated that South Afeica belong to all who live in it and not africa for africans at home and abroad as a result the PAC was formed--no so it go!?
She is neither a Saint nor Sinner. She is a human who fought for the liberation of other humans from the bondage of other humans, which in fact should never be! Humans should not hold others captive in any form or way.
Winnie Mandela was the real freedom fighter and kept Nelson's Mandela name alive. Winne and others helped bring Nelson Mandela home and he definitely should have taken care of Winne Mandela and if he chooses to Separate from Winnie.
To answer your question, Winnie is a saint! If I was Mandela at the time, I would let all those hearings take place. But, I would ultimately pardon her and I would not divorce her. And, I think it was a mistake not to include her in the will, for a man who had the guts to forgive the real evil people, I think Mandela got it wrong on Winnie. Some people are not worthy of hurting regardless of their mistakes, let’s be fair. WINNIE IS AN AFRICAN HERO, PERIOD!
Thank you for this statement something is not make sure here. That has been a pain in my heart. I never understood his decision. But the truth shall come out one day.
The Mandela ANC paid and pays heavily for discrediting and sidelining Winnie Madikizela. With Winnie in the leadership the eye would NEVER have veered off the people. Dropping Winnie, Mandela's ANC dropped its heart and lost its soul.
I dont think its fair for us to put it either Saint or Sinner... No true liberator can come purely clean... Biblical or religion terminologies cannot be applied to politicians as if its a judgement day... She was a Liberator thats all, its a pity that we now exposed to such information after her departure..........May she be eternal at peace...
Pigou, (political analyst) does not make much sense to me. Winnie did not want the house because she had no money, that house has a story, in which her life is reflected. It was not about the money, and by the way, I was hoping to see some black analysts comment on this, but then I remembered that most of the commenters are whites because they had the privilege to a better education.
As far as Nelson Mandela and Winnie Mandela leaders can do hundreds of great things but if you make one mistake that's the only thing most people will remember in some cases let's remember the positive accomplishments that they both achieved together as well as individually rather than the mistakes that were made if any
To minimise or narrow her contribution her to either a saint or a sinner is to make light of what she went thru and how the oppressors tried to break her spirit and soul.She was a liberator who had to make a decision of either to be broken or rise up.Shallow minded reporting..taking things from one perspective and not about historically injustices.I see something sinister in this one sideded reporting..the danger of a single narrative
Mama Winnie was and still a saint,she was tortured and stood against no matter what her organisation says.She was too good and not a liar.She suffered for African ppl and never avoided truth bcoz she wanted to be loved.
It is interesting when I hear people; especially the so gullible African people say this or that about Winnie Madikizela Mandela! The same people she fought for, even the Nelson Mandela himself. It surely makes it a little hard for young people like me to pick up the torch for the fight for freedom. But as my body is tortured by the falsehood of these allegations and the despicable fabricated stories perpetuated against this staunch fighter, I remember that the fight is not for ourselves for the benefit of those to come after us! The Truth and reconciliation farce that was orchestrated to further sully Winnie’s reputation sought to put Winnie on trial for "crimes" and somehow forgot who the enemy was, The Apartheid regime and its supporters, but how could they fight against a system they were so terrified of? It is extremely sad because it seems that Winnie fought Alone! And then suddenly people saw her advance and desperately tried to take her out of the picture because by fighting alone she simply exposed their incapacity to fight!
These commentators can be seen to be biased against Winnie. Being a Wits professor or educator does not give them a right to comment on Winnies' life. They were on the oppressors' view point fo4 most of their lives. Diabolical.
