Fact Checking The Huberman Lab Podcast. Response to Robert Lustig

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Fact checking the Huberman Lab podcast.
In this video, renowned low-carb fan Dr. Robert Lustig talks about a famous study.
Now I am going to be honest with you, I did not recognise this study.
Which surprised me, because I have read a lot of research papers on this topic.
But, I couldn’t think of any studies where the weight gain from the soda group even came close to the whopping 10kg (~22lbs) in a mere 6-month period and a 2kg (~4.4lb) weight gain in the diet soda group.
So I went to the show notes (yay, they included references) and lo and behold, the numbers are completely made up.
I mean, not even a TINY bit close to what the study actually said.
I find this worrying, because it would take approximately 20 seconds of reading the abstract (free to everyone) to realise that his representation of the study is not correct.
This is the research paper equivalent of someone not even bothering to read the opening sentence of a newspaper article. Sure, you know not everyone will read the WHOLE THING but you hope that anyone who has a strong opinion about that article at least skim read it, right?
Which makes me wonder, how much fact checking does your average podcast host do for their guest?
My guess? Not very much.
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References:
- Sucrose-sweetened beverages increase fat storage in the liver, muscle, and visceral fat depot: a 6-mo randomized intervention study
- Sugar-sweetened beverage consumption and weight gain in children and adults: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies and randomized controlled trials
- Sugar sweetened beverages intake and risk of obesity and cardiometabolic diseases in longitudinal studies: A systematic review and meta-analysis with 1.5 million individuals

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@rob3040 4 месяца назад

This is a huge problem with the social media model which is designed to engage, not inform.

@YOUARESOFT. 4 месяца назад

wrong info here

@ivayloivanov3744 4 месяца назад

Stopped watching TV in around 2002. Now I will stop watching podcast and overall social media entertainment.

@DREWRGLA 5 дней назад

Except he's a professor at UCSF

@Elvyne963 4 месяца назад

Mannn, it's so discouraging when people with scientific background (which create credibility and trust) end up not being that scientifically rigourous in what they say publicly. It's like, mannn, do I have to go check every thing every body says all the time and can never let my guard down? I guess so... :'(

@Quaerite.Intellectum 4 месяца назад

The answer to your question is yes. People with scientific backgrounds are still people. They have biases, they make mistakes, they can be dishonest, they can be ideological, they can be glib, they can be dogmatic, they can be stupid, they can refuse to admit they're wrong or don't know something, etc., etc., etc. Experts and authorities have been misinforming people since people have existed. They're not all bad or wrong, but until you look & understand yourself, you don't know. The only way you can know anything for sure is to look for yourself. It can be annoying and frustrating, but it is true.

@hardcoreherbivore4730 4 месяца назад

Helps when they are published experts in the field they’re discussing. At least then, their job is on the line.

@Quaerite.Intellectum 4 месяца назад

@@hardcoreherbivore4730 That's no guarantee of anything. Published experts are more likely to support the prevailing paradigm(s) and biases. Also, in our current scientific environment, published data is mostly funded by industry, which definitely makes the published research biased. That's part of the reason why someone can find different studies to support completely different and sometimes diametrically opposed ideas & conclusions. The peer review process is flawed and cannot be depended on to ensure good research is always published. The journals themselves have issues as well. For example, they censor research they don't agree with by refusing to publish (either completely or unless research is edited to fit into the current paradigm), among other things. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but what you said is nothing more than the appeal to authority logical fallacy. Edit: I want to clarify that I'm not saying you can never trust experts or peer reviewed research. What I am saying is that it's not a guarantee that the data is good, accurate or true.

@gestucvolonor5069 4 месяца назад

thats the point we are all human, never trust anyone fully

@hardcoreherbivore4730 4 месяца назад

@@Quaerite.Intellectum Sure, there are limitations to the peer review process. Industry funding can certainly influence how the study is conducted. However, that is not a reason to dismiss a study on its own. Regardless of the funding model, every single study needs to be examined for its methodologies, and for the value of the evidence presented. Examine where the study stands in the hierarchy of evidence. That helps narrow things down, but is by no means foolproof. Industry loves using Meta-analysis of clinical trials. Which has the appearance of gold standard data, and is very inexpensive to compile the data others collected. While being very laborious to read every single study of the data compiled. It’s complicated, no doubt, but not insurmountable. Long term health outcome data is often very consistent. That being said, in this particular instance the speaker is outside his area of expertise. Hence, is not worthy of inclusion in a detailed discussion. This is not appealing to authority, it’s simply pointing out that he has none. Had he misrepresented data like this in his own field, his job would be in danger.

@scottporter6373 Месяц назад

It was actually 47 individuals who finished the study. Robert Lustig may not have come up with remebering the exact outcomes but liver fat was increased. He was one of the first to note that alcohol (Ethanol) and fructose are metabolized in very much the same way. When fructose is metabolized it depletes ATP which ultimately raises Uric Acid which causes oxidative stress to mitochondria. The excess energy the mitochondria cannot use is then shifted into fat storage. This is theorized to have been an evolutionary change that helped hominids survive cold weather. Another physician, Dr. Richard Johnson, has done some very elegant research concerning fructose and shown it contributes to obesity, metabolic syndrome, cardiovascular disease, NAFLD (non-alcoholic liver disease) and possible dementia. I am disappointed Dr. Lustig was not precise in this study, be he is an amazing doctor as is Dr. Johnson. I am an MD and have studied their work. The information concerning fructose and its poisonous effects needs to be known.

@Fomites 21 день назад

So much is wrong in what you wrote that I find the task to correct and challenge you too laborious. Sigh...

@scottporter6373 15 дней назад

@@Fomites do try

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

P.S. when I reply to popular podcasts it is always inevitable that someone will get angry with me, so let me foreshadow something. People make mistakes. It's quite possible I have misspoken on a podcast before even if it is by accident. In this particular instance, it's quite embarrassing to link a study that clearly does not show what what was discussed in the podcast, especially when fact checking it would take less than 30 seconds to realise how badly mismatched the conclusions are. I do not know what the rest of this podcast episode was like and I do not know what the other podcast episodes are like. I just wanted this to be an example of how easily misinformation spreads even from sources that many people view as reliable. Thank you. :)

@nichtsistkostenlos6565 4 месяца назад

The entire podcast was like this, just lie after lie, misrepresentation after misrepresentation. Layne Norton did a long video breaking down a good portion of the BS, but didn't even get to all of it.

@JWinchell 4 месяца назад

Its easy to put out an hour long video of two people talking. It is hard to edit down a conversation to something that is watchable (i.e. you would see on TV or in the movies). Since Huberman specializes in doing the easy form of information distribution (1 to 2 hour conversation), I guess I shouldn't be surprised he didn't check the study. Also, appeal to authority arguments (e.g. talking to a UCSF professor) means a lot of checking does not happen.

@DonnaLLoyd-lt6ot 4 месяца назад

My gut said something is not quite right with Huberman

@infectiousangel 3 месяца назад

It was horrible, Layne Norton made a video of his extensive work debunking Lustigs claims: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LZPKTaVB1IU.html

@Si5improvement 26 дней назад

The rest of the podcast was 3 hours of superb benefit. It would be great if you made money on RU-vid by highlighting what you loved about the podcast instead of picking bones. Bring value through your channel by sharing beneficial value, not bringing down other shows, but bring them up.

@nichtsistkostenlos6565 4 месяца назад

Lustig just straight made shit up on the spot that entire podcast.

@madcircle7311 4 месяца назад

Robert Lustig has been misquoting those very same "study statistics" on other podcasts as well.

@minhuang8848 4 месяца назад

Anyone even starting to have that glint in the eye that says "I'm about to do diet soda dirty" deserves a fact-checking first up their bum, you can pretty much immediately smell the BS through your screen, my God

@HolographicThoughts 4 месяца назад

You do realise that one person misquoting a study does not automatically mean that artificial sweeteners are somehow better alternatives to water or milk, right? You'd really be so outraged that big soda now looks like the good guy here? 1 person or 1 study doesn't define the truth of anything. Look at the entire body of study. Excess sugar is a plague.

@MrWorldasmaya 4 месяца назад

Worse than making stuff up - he misrepresented the data in a way that was trying to be convincing to fit his narrative. That's worse.

@HolographicThoughts 4 месяца назад

@@MrWorldasmaya So how well do you understand how insulin insensitivity develops? it's a side effect of chronically elevated blood sugar, which is typically controllable with infrequent rises as per our evolutionary past. Naturally occuring sugars in fruit would also be bundled with fibre which slowed the absorption rate, requiring much lower insulin secretion levels to deal with. Modern diets by comparison have massive amounts of sugar and infrequently come with fibre. So you get massive spikes of glucose from high Glycaemic Index foods. Insulin also signals the "fed state" to your metabolism, which inhibits fat oxidation and promotes adiposity/fat deposition. Fructose, which is half of the sugar molecule sucrose, is even harder for the body to deal with than glucose. If you already knew this, you'd know its logical to consume low GI foods so that insulin has minimal "work" to do to ensure sensitivity. Misquoting that study - even multiple times does not invalidate how metabolism works, and his conclusions are absolutely basic facts that many in nutrition understand. You can fault Dr. Lustig on his communication but to question the harms of excess sugar and added fructose delivered by sodas especially - is extremely moronic.

@nathanwood6707 4 месяца назад

Your dedication to epistemology is inspiring. Great catch! 👏

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Thank you very much 🙂

@bilalmahmood5674 4 месяца назад

Yup. Had a few strange pauses to myself during that podcast and knew things were off. Thanks for the vid m8

@jackwalter5970 4 месяца назад

Thank you Ben! We need you to expose these studies. What did these people eat?

@AJPemberton 4 месяца назад

The study wasn't the problem, it was the misleading reporting that outright lied about the results found.

@ruthe3351 4 месяца назад

Thanks so much for your channel, I think your stuff is great! Which podcasts do you trust?

@gianlucabaldo9153 4 месяца назад

Thank you for taking the time to check.

@stevetravis3400 4 месяца назад

Hey Ben, nothing to do with the current video but wanted some info on your tendon biceps repair. Your 1.5 year update showed a knot under your incision, I have one to match and was curious what it was and how it was treated. Thank you in advance for any info. Also great videos and glad to see your progress.

@arrogantmusic 4 месяца назад

I really love ur persona and content, you definitely deserve to grow on the RU-vid scene. Keep it up! Also, could u make a video about going more In-depth about hydration and how it effects our bodies? I’ve heard my friends say that apparently I won’t lose fat if I’m not hydrating myself enough, cause it takes water to make the fat disappear?

@stiffmeistercharlie1758 4 месяца назад

Just personally, I've always been in the "intuitive thirst self-regulation" camp, thinking as long as I drink when I'm thirsty, I'll be fine. I then realised that with the fact that screens/social media "hijack" our attention and dopamine system, I'd need to get MORE thirsty to actually get up and get water. Fixed this by always having a water bottle right next to me. In sight and in reach. And yeah, you definitely need water to metabolise body-fat. Just not the case that more water = more fat burned, if you're getting enough water.

@Fomites 21 день назад

Your friends are wrong. Just eat less. Drink when you are thirsty.

@tonydavis3796 3 месяца назад

Dr Lustig may not have given the correct numbers, but the gist of what he was saying was correct. The study showed increased health risks from drinking soda, they found significant increases in visceral fat, liver fat and worse blood pressure in the cola group. While total body fat didn’t increase to the extent that Dr Lustig said, the health risks associated with drinking were made very clear in this paper.

@crowfeedreactions 5 дней назад

You don't get points for "getting the general point right" when you overstate the study results by nearly TEN TIMES. Instead, you get laughed out of the room, as you should.

@DREWRGLA 5 дней назад

@@crowfeedreactionslike Pasteur and practically all his work?...

@crowfeedreactions 4 дня назад

@@DREWRGLA Who's Pasteur?

@DREWRGLA 4 дня назад

@@crowfeedreactions just a French peasant that became the literal founder of microbiology

@ClouduSan 4 месяца назад

Sheesh 50k+ subs already! been a subscriber since the old days when you were at PEScience and Jeff mentioned you in some video iirc. Commenting for the algo to keep boosting, good job man!

@coonhound_pharoah 4 месяца назад

I could tell Huberman was tuned out of a lot of what Lustig was saying by halfway through. It was obvious Andrew knew most of what he was saying is contradicted by other science, and he probably knew Lustig was making stuff up.

@Plan-W 4 месяца назад

If he knew it was bs, he shouldn't have published it.

@oriasfuck 4 месяца назад

Or at least confront him about that.

@fatlosssolutionsinc 4 месяца назад

If he knew he needed to bring it up, now he’s just as much of a charlatan for letting it slide.

@coonhound_pharoah 4 месяца назад

@@Plan-W Why? You need to know who is an idiot and you can only do that by listening to the other side. Debate moves science forward, not silencing opinions you don't like. Why would a show producer like Andrew not air a show he can turn around and debunk later?

@coonhound_pharoah 4 месяца назад

@@fatlosssolutionsinc "Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake."

@_HFF 4 месяца назад

Thankfully I found this video here too. Facebook would not let me share the link to your post in comments. The link just wouldn't work and sharing it straight is pointless because Facebook tends to hide shared content to members 🤦🏻‍♀️. Thank You so much Ben for being honest and checking facts. My members of "Healthy Female Fitness" and I love your content and that of your wife and can't thank you enough for all that you do. Yes many of us have also bought your book or bought programs from your wife . ❤

@marcinsala3161 4 месяца назад

Verification and testing on yourself is they key, as you say. As you also said, everyone do make mistskes from time to time, as James Linker used to say in Shredded Sports Science "there's no messiah in fitness" so we can't blindly trust anyone in regards to science, even our closest friends tbh. With that being said, Huberman had a lot of actually trustful guests, especially on sleep (Walker) or neuroscience and dopamine (Limbke), life (Jocko) or fitness (Gulpin) whose information I've been testing and it actually changed my life significantly. So yeah, if someone says something, no matter the background, just verify and check on yourself.

@brucemaher7621 4 месяца назад

So all this time they telling me that soda was bad and it’s not... So Is that why my teeth rotting and diabetes is only a figment of my imagination...

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Drinking a lot of soda can definitely cause issues, as I reiterated in the video. When something does cause issues, there should be no need to exaggerate the results into fictitious findings

@NamelessSmile 4 месяца назад

Like with a lot of things, soda is bad if you have too much. You likely had too much, an otherwise bad diet or were otherwise predisposed. Saying that people didn't gain lots of weight from drinking soda isnt suddenly saying people should drink liters a day

@intro...101 4 месяца назад

Thank you for clarifying this!

@ajheath20 4 месяца назад

Excellent work Ben! Finally, someone called out this, which is widespread!!!

@damianpe8700 4 месяца назад

unfortunately there are many more problems with the Huberman podcast…

@BigBADSTUFF69 4 месяца назад

Huberman is the worst example of a psuedoscientist because he actually is educated but still just makes shit up

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

I am not a big podcast listener (I read a lot of research papers so that takes up a lot of my media consumption time) so I have no strong opinions on any podcasts outside of the short clips on social media that people tag me in. My understanding is his podcast is VERY popular, and loved by many people, but since posting this video to my other platforms I am seeing a lot of people saying things along these lines. I don't know the details, but it appears quite a number of people are skeptical of the podcast for whatever reason. :)

@ResistanceQuest 4 месяца назад

@@BenCarpenterpeople really do take what he says as gospel

@ruthe3351 4 месяца назад

I have a Masters in neuroscience and a PhD in nutrition... He's good on neuroscience, but nutrition is hit or miss😅

@theslacker 4 месяца назад

being a vaper, i'm really interested if the things he says about nicotine are true. is nicotine actually good for you and the delivery method is harming you? i heard him in many circumstances, not only his podcast, and although he seems a nice educated man, it seems to me he makes extraordinary claims about different things.

@mikeholbrook8639 4 месяца назад

Anything that has Huberman in it gets an automatic "don't recommend channel" click. I like how he added the "full fat since it was Europe" comment, which apparently wasn't correct. They guy never shuts up. He could take 2-minutes of content, and make it an hour, adding extraneous information. There is a lot of what he says that isn't accurate.

@xJEC23 4 месяца назад

This one podcast/video forced me to change my entire approach to information/data, what I took to be a well researched and cited discussion turned out to be far from the truth. Without trying to sound or being dramatic this took a huge hit on my mental health and made me question everything, it seemed all was bad and there was little left for people to be able to do/eat, even the dessert once a day rather than every meal comment made me feel like I would be failing if I had it. Huberman does a great job of allowing people to have their say and being humble when his guesses are wrong, something many are not down with and would cut them out, this approach is needed as there is always more than one version of the truth, or at least multiple hypothesis but I feel in this instance a clarification podcast on some of the points made is in order from AH, your video is a great example and luckily for me so was Layne Norton’s. It made me wake up and realise much of what is shared is conjecture and ultimately there is no perfect answer, you just have to be sensible. I’ve managed to survive and be healthy for 40+ years without being obese of having chronic conditions so must be doing something right 😂

@Mark-db1ok 4 месяца назад

The last 9 seconds of this is wisdom WAY beyond just this instance... Be careful who you trust, "even if you like the people behind the microphones." Absolute gold, my friend. 👍🏼

@meln4214 4 месяца назад

Great work Ben. New sub here❤ Came from James Smith's channel.

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Thank you very much! Welcome, new friend 🙂

@meln4214 4 месяца назад

@@BenCarpenterThanks 😊

@getmorecontent. Месяц назад

Tell me one thing bro! Is Fructose from fruit really bad for the liver or any other organs like the Dr. says it is?

@DadBodFitness 4 месяца назад

Great video pointing out the incorrect information. It's so unfortunate. I know huberman is very careful and tries to have everything based on the research but this one definitely was out there. I could tell even he was skeptical about much of the information the man was claiming. Thanks for bringing some more clarity to this Ben!

@Schokoladentoertchen 4 месяца назад

Just commenting to get your engagement up. Great vid.

@Cylonknight 4 месяца назад

People love echo chambers, people also don't know that the algorithm for their platform is doing it to them. I see it the same as someone learning something from a meme. Could be correct, could equally be wrong. If I'm interested in the data I double check it from multiple sources because I don't trust just one. Why I also watch other fitness channels, to round out what information is available to me. Appreciate you bringing this up though and letting people know in a manner that isn't talking down to them.

@itskurious 4 месяца назад

Never realized it but it's true -- we like echo chambers because it confirms our biases & we don't have to deal with the discomfort of listening to an opposing view. Honestly F the algorithm though. Going out there and researching the topic from different angles is the move -- well said brotha. More work, but at least you have a solid argument to your beliefs.

@michaelwade1804 2 месяца назад

Clear. Succinct. Eye Opening. I wish I could say the same for the podcaster you mention. I've listened to several episodes in their entirety and all I can say is I wish they had an editor or fact checker or, you get my meaning. Thank you for this episode. Subscribed!

@decaDBZ 4 месяца назад

There's a study where they gave one group of rats regular coke as their drink and another diet coke and gave them both free access to food. The diet coke group gained way more weight which they found to be due to an appetite increase effect of the artificial sweetener in the diet coke.

@coonhound_pharoah 4 месяца назад

Good thing rats are are not people. In randomized double blind studies on HUMANS, sodas with artificial sweeteners resulted in MORE FAT LOSS THAN WATER, likely because of the satiating effect of the sweeteners.

@Samulater_ 4 месяца назад

@@coonhound_pharoah We do studies on animals because our DNA is 96%-98% similar. You seem to be under the impression that animal studies are somehow unrelated to human studies. What was the sample size and P value of the study you mention? Also, what study are you referring to because no study concludes with words like "likely"... there has to be a causation/correlation or else you state there is none... unless they admit to poor controlling of variables and wanted to throw in a vague term like "likely cause".... but those are usually the style of corporation/biased studies with low sample sizes and manipulated P values.

@pacukluka 4 месяца назад

source?

@sanjeevgig8918 4 месяца назад

Excellent work. Keep going. Find others.

@user-fz2di4xx8r 10 дней назад

Amen! very important video in this era when everyone has a microphone and can make themselves look and sound professional

@serkanyimsel504 2 месяца назад

Way too calm and polite way to respond to this poscast. I want that attitude so dont lose my tamper 😁👏🏼

@ap24101988 4 месяца назад

Well if there is one thing you can take away from it drink water. Stay hydrated

@eless3543 4 месяца назад

Spot on. Thomas Delauer has now blocked me from his channel for exposing how he cocks up the studies he quotes (almost always cherry picked). Too much of this BS on YT.

@dbaker280 4 месяца назад

I enjoy the Huberman podcast, and I will continue to, but it’s disappointing something so egregiously wrong was on his platform. I am sure he’s doing more benefit that good, but should be doing more to verify what his guests are saying on his platform.

@simongarner5340 4 месяца назад

He's not the first person to have a "dubious" guest on his podcast. Many podcasters have been fooled by pseudoscience peddlers!

@markd.9538 4 месяца назад

If you swapped the word "Huberman" with "Rogan" in your statement it would evoke the same reaction from me (a raised eyebrow). Enjoyment / infotainment is one thing, but the distribution of misinformation is a huge problem. Take everything podcast prophets espouse with a big grain of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism.

@HolographicThoughts 4 месяца назад

As far as I can tell, the only fault was the accuracy of the numbers. Yeah that's a problem, but the metabolic understanding is consistent and of course milk or water is going to be better for the average person than any form of soda. I'd recommend Peter Attia's The Drive if you want a study-driven conversation with experts with a host that will drill into the guests' understanding.

@simongarner5340 4 месяца назад

@@HolographicThoughts "The only fault was the numbers". Without the numbers there is no evidence that what Lustig says is true. Lustig has a theory and he "massaged" those numbers to prove his point. The numbers DID NOT back up his theory so he had to lie about them. Peter Attia has some good things to say but so does Dr Norton!!

@paulbrowning1758 4 месяца назад

Thanks for this. Just another example of why podcasting is in decline. Did you send a link to this episode to Huberman's people?

@ResistanceQuest 4 месяца назад

LUSTIG!! one of the original fearmongering charlatans, back on his BS

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

One of the original people to say that fructose is so dangerous it should be compared to alcohol. Brb, eating an apple which is basically drinking tequila 👀

@rickyatodaso7255 4 месяца назад

@@BenCarpenter Unless he has changed his stance, he has no issues with people eating whole fruit. He says not to eat fruit juice or fruit smoothies because the insoluble fiber has been removed/destroyed. You gotta admit though, it's funny when you misrepresent someone's POV on a video about someone misrepresenting a study.

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

@@rickyatodaso7255I didn’t misrepresent his stance, I made a joke so unruffle your panties. ⁠If you go on an anti-fructose crusade, you inadvertently cause sugar fear that extends to fruit, unless you specifically clarify why that does not apply to fruit. He literally has published an opinion paper called “fructose. It’s alcohol without the buzz” and talks about the dangerous effects of fructose. A lot of low carb people are scared to eat fruit and a lot of that stems from the narrative that fructose is dangerous. Not *excessive* fructose or fructose when it is consume from foods not including fruit. Just fructose is apparently like alcohol. Having that title of a published research paper is misleading, whether you agree with his blog posts or not lol

@rickyatodaso7255 4 месяца назад

@@BenCarpenter I've never watched a video where Robert Lustig was interviewed, or given a speech, and he didn't mention that fruit is okay to eat. I originally encountered Robert Lustig when his "Sugar: THE BITTER TRUTH" presentation went viral. That video was uploaded in 2009 and currently has 24M views. At 1:13:52 in that video, he says: "So, eat your carbohydrate with fiber, that's why we say that. That includes sugar, that's why fruit's okay. Because number one, it limits how much fructose you're gonna take in, and number two, it gives you an essential nutrient which you needed in the first place. And you get some micronutrients along with it so that you actually, your liver works healthier." In another presentation, "Fat Chance: Fructose 2.0", which was uploaded in 2013, at 01:15:27, he also says: "You want to take some whole fruit and mix it with plain yogurt like they do in Europe? No problem. Off you go." (I chose these 2 videos because they are two of the most widely viewed and most likely to have impacted the thinking of people.) In the interview that this video clip is taken from, at 3:08:20 he says, "Fruit is fine. Fruit juice is not." You may disagree with his position on fruit juice. But he is not opposed to fruit in its whole, unprocessed form. He does also frequently make the point that excess fructose is the problem and recommends consuming no more than 6 teaspoons of added sugar in your diet. I don't know anyone that used Lustig as a primary source and thinks whole fruit is evil or that any fructose consumption will ruin your health. There may be some low carbers or carnivore people that say that, but if they're saying Lustig said it, then they're misrepresenting him. Also, in my experience, many people on low carb or keto diets are avoiding fruit for reasons unrelated to fructose specifically.

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

I fear you may have read too much into quite an obvious joke. No, I don’t think Lustig compares an apple to shots of tequila. Yes, I do think he has been too fearmongery on fructose and sugar in general. One clear example being drastic misrepresentation of the study in this video, by unforgivable degrees of magnitude lol

@tugcerogers5769 2 месяца назад

Good catch, but I think you didn't read the study completely. There is a discussion that discusses what the weight gain would be if the groups did not compensate the energy intake by reducing what they ate overall per day. It os said that than the 1 liter of soda would spike the weight gain in that group. I think the podcast refers to that. But then, the message he conveys is not exactly true either.

@BenCarpenter 2 месяца назад

That is a hypothetical scenario though, saying the participants gained weight is just factually inaccurate. It’s like me saying “eating one bag of peanuts causes people to gain 5kg weight in a month” but then showing a research trial where this didn’t happen. It just doesn’t make sense lol 🙂

@Samulater_ 4 месяца назад

The real question is why anyone cares about a study with a sample size of 47? We also don't need any more human studies proving that soda/sugar is bad for you. We already see what it does in animal studies on addiction compared to hard narcotics.

@VMVarga-yf6eg 4 месяца назад

Great video. I struggle with Huberman because of this

@snowdragon1732 4 месяца назад

You rock! I wanna buy your audiobook are you narrating it?

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Thank you, friend. Yes it is me, of course 🙂❤️

@andrewhertzberg6889 4 месяца назад

Andrew Huberman is infotainment. If you enjoy the vibe of information but don’t need the actual information content, he’s got you covered.

@Corbeauxx 4 месяца назад

Actually you're better off not listening to him at all. A lot of what he says is misinformation, misinterpreting studies, and just outright BS. There are far better and more reputable sources of info.

@conormonaghan8673 4 месяца назад

Look in Dr Alan Flanagan....much more rigorous dissemination of data

@Namagi 4 месяца назад

Thank you for doing this.

4 месяца назад

Thank you for your great job.

@peterbedford2610 4 месяца назад

Thank you! I watch a lot of podcasts and much of what I hear sounds far fetched. Although its his guest that's saying this, it is Hubermans show. I find this a lot on Joe Rogans show as well. Many guests saying things that fail fact checking.

@milkweedsage 2 месяца назад

I fall asleep to huberman because his voice is soothing. I better switch to bens audio book!

@philiphemme1 4 месяца назад

Good stuff! Huberman podcast is amazing, but yes, sometimes, it’s not reliable. Good to question it

@noahmaxwell1593 2 месяца назад

Great video, thank you!

@johnd5619 4 месяца назад

excellent video good sir. earned a sub!

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Thank you. Welcome, new friend 🙂

@AzureSoukyuu 4 месяца назад

Well, that's disappointing. I just recently started listening to the podcast and the episodes on sleep and stress management as well as motivation were spot on. Sad to know it falls apart as the show goes on.

@The_Bitruvian_Man 4 месяца назад

I wouldn't throw it all away. After all, it was the guest that was spewing BS. Although a good host would call the BS whenever possible.

@DanildFlamme 4 месяца назад

@@The_Bitruvian_Man Well, I don't see how Huberman would be able to go and fact-check his guests claims in the middle of the podcast. But maybe we should write (politely) to Huberman, suggesting he does a fact-check now, and then make a video where he goes over it. Huberman seems like a straightforward guy, so I imagine that he might respond to it.

@The_Bitruvian_Man 4 месяца назад

@@DanildFlamme agreed. However, if he wants to maintain a high integrity, science-first sort of reputation, he should definitely strive to control his guests. People like me go to his podcasts because we feel like he can be trusted. He should probably protect that trust.

@DanildFlamme 4 месяца назад

@@The_Bitruvian_Man I agree. Which is why we should consider pointing it out to him, so that he has a chance to learn from his mistakes and improve.

@Frank_Jones314 3 месяца назад

Dr. Lustig's comments on that Huberman podcast are utterly baffling. I am surprised Huberman did not call him out. (I am subscribed to Huberman's channel, but I do not know much about his background or expertise.) I also watched Dr. Layne Norton's excellent video similarly rebutting what Lustig is saying, but much to my astonishment, there are a lot of people in the comments section defending Lustig and/or mocking Layne's credentials.

@reasonablevegan 4 месяца назад

I enjoyed this video. I assume you’re right, for some reason. But I think I would have preferred a couple extra minutes of you showing shots of the study and breaking it down, that way anyone that understands studies can see if you’re reading it right. I look forward to checking out more of your work.

@ejw1234 4 месяца назад

is that the research article the guest referenced in the podcast? Huberman can't fact check on the spot. CNN, BBC, Fox, can't even do that. They tell me wine and cheese and chocolate are good one day, and a month later they are telling me it's bad.

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Yes, if you pause on the screen you can see the titles match for the podcast show notes and the study title. Obviously people cannot fact check at the time, but post production if they are putting the reference list on their website it gives them time to make sure the conclusions match what the guest said, especially in this instance where it seems Hubermans gut instinct was a result divergent to what the guest was claiming (with the diet drinks at least) 🙂

@kurtzepausekurtzepause1695 4 месяца назад

thanks for that! important video

@barts6386 4 месяца назад

Thank you for the video.

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

My pleasure 🙂

@epaminontas6972 4 месяца назад

I remember listening to that part of the podcast, I had to replay it 3 times to hear what he said because I didn't believe it 😅. Turns out it was false

@BootStrapTurnerVideography 4 месяца назад

Speed drank several litters of Diet Soda. Check scale and shesh, weight increase.... until I used the loo and low and behold, back to the same exact weight post urination.

@XXXston3wallXXX 4 месяца назад

Thank you

@GordonPavilion 4 месяца назад

Well done Ben. You, are one of the good guys.

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Thanks friend. I try my best to be a net positive voice in the industry ❤️

@simondavies6270 4 месяца назад

Thank you Mr Carpenter [Ben] for pointing out how careful we should be when taking on-board as the gospel truth facts and figures we hear from experts on our favourite podcasts. Professor Lustig is well renowned and have watch many of his interviews and lectures on RU-vid and am sure his intention was not to mislead, however here we are. Great Warning.

@xavatar-legendx5152 4 месяца назад

Wait was this based on the same individual? So many factors outside the drink to consider: diet in general, exercise, age, weight, lifestyle etc. Seems like hocus-pocus talk from that guest....

@muumarlin1731 4 месяца назад

Subscribed!

@jazzabeanie 4 месяца назад

Did Huberman ever respond to this or address the misinformation?

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Not as far as I am aware. Many people tagged him on my video across platforms

@mrs.robinson-lotus 2 месяца назад

I was like....h'what?! Many a times while he was talking.

@vugaribrahimov9619 4 месяца назад

the problem with many poadcasts includin JRE poadcast today the host does not calls guests BS.

@chris420uk 4 месяца назад

Liked, subscribed and commented - the internet needs more bullshit detectors like yourself! Rogan, Huberman, Attia, etc. They're all at it and don't ever challenge their guests. Keep it up!

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Thank you, I appreciate that. Fact checking actually isn’t very fun because some people get REALLY mad if you point out something is incorrect (even in these comments you can see it despite the numbers in this study being clearly different to what Lustig quoted lol). I think good information helps everyone and fact checking shouldn’t be a bad thing. If someone can fact check me, please crack on 🙂

@chris420uk 4 месяца назад

@@BenCarpenter I reckon your subs would explode if you just post Shorts fact checking someone like Rogan's guests. And Rogan himself. You'll get hate but the extra £££ from views will dull the pain I'm sure!

@HolographicThoughts 4 месяца назад

I reckon Peter Attia is an excellent test of a guests' validity. He's mentally comparing his knowledge to his guests and even anticipating their lines of argument ahead of time based on a shared understanding of the relevant fields. That's not to say he couldn't be mislead on something he's uninformed of. Just surprised to see him listed as a suspect for complacency.

@AlgeistNydream 4 месяца назад

Outstanding Job. Bob Lustig talking non-sense? Hard to believe to me at first. He is always the one complaining about hairsplitting and study design loopholes by rivals. If only I could give more thumbs up. First video of yours I watched. Wow. I will look at your other videos now. You made me curious.

@HolographicThoughts 4 месяца назад

He evidently sucks at quoting studies, but he's one of many who understand what a plague excess sugar is and that should be the take-home message.

@Serif96 4 месяца назад

This is great tutorial on how to grift off others success. Soon I'll be able to fact check your fact checks of others fact checking the facts

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Please always feel free to fact check my videos. Part of the reason I always include study snippets on the screen and study titles in the video description is so you can pause and read for yourself, if you would like 🙂

@Serif96 4 месяца назад

Excellent, why thank you there sir...... 👍

@AKMcF 4 месяца назад

Thank you, nice to know there are people who report the truth instead of pushing lies to support an ideology. I stick with Prof. Bart Kay when it comes to the 'science', imo he's the dad of nutrition, hard line and no nonsense.

@frankzap6231 4 месяца назад

Also, zero mention of what diet the groups were on..

@lookinin123 4 месяца назад

More of a take-down of Robert Lustig, if you will. First time watching you channelm btw. I came over for your debunking video that was stitched into James Smith episode called: The Downfall of Modern Podcasts. Cheers.

@spicemobileGrenada-dq9fs 3 месяца назад

Now this is fact check. this is the way to do it.

@BladeDoomer86 4 месяца назад

If only there were more fact checkers like you, the internet wouldn't be such a cesspool of toxicity and misinformation. Bravo, subscribed

@ele.zer0696 4 месяца назад

Nice

@gurug1312 4 месяца назад

I got my doubts when at the end of the podcast lusting started selling his fiber pilla

@carljones9640 4 месяца назад

You have to remember that *every podcast* is someone's business, and so they are necessarily going to be motivated by finances before anything else. They will not bother to fact check themselves if it makes them money. They will especially not bother to fact check themselves if it might make them lose money. *Do not* use podcasts as a reliable, unbiased source of information about anything.

@abosaleh3318 3 месяца назад

And the thing about the insulin rko mice (the mouse that turn science on its head as he says), how did he conclude that kidney degenration is the insulin fault!! It is all but showing how insulin action on kidney is that crucial!!

@Yeah5555ful 2 месяца назад

After dinner I usually gain 2 kg and come back to my original weight in the morning 😅😅

@BenCarpenter 2 месяца назад

Haha, this is a great example of how something can be statistically significant but not always practically significant. Many weight loss studies show “significant differences” but the differences are still within the magnitude of possible fluctuations like this

@theslacker 4 месяца назад

i always knew something's wrong with that guy. i have to trust my gut more often

@HolographicThoughts 4 месяца назад

So his numbers were wrong. He's still right about sugar, its pathology, and the health outcomes. Huberman covers a wide range of topics so guest variety within a topic isn't great, but I've specifically listened to hundreds of hours of talk on metabolism and Dr. Lustig is consistent with all the others about the impacts of sugar.

@BWater-yq3jx 4 месяца назад

I'd guess that people having the litre of sugary soda instinctively reduced calories elsewhere. My main issue with those drinks is that they're simply bad for your overall health. One summer I got in the habit of having 1/2 - 1 litre of Coke a day, and in a few weeks I was getting the most excruciating cramps in my legs and upper back. Poison.

@NamelessSmile 4 месяца назад

That's complete coincidence and this is how the kind of rubbish misinformation this whole video is talking about starts. You got leg cramps and drank soda....right...very convincing

@garydowd7313 4 месяца назад

I’ve had it with huberdusche.

@MM-ev1fg 4 месяца назад

I'm actually surprised it's only a 1-2kg weight gain for 1 litre of sugary soda. 1 litre of cola would have around 90g of sugar which is 360 extra calories per day every day for 180 days.

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

Yeah so this kind of “free living” trial gives people drinks and then doesn’t monitor the rest of their diet. What this means is, people can implement natural “dietary compensation” which means they reduce other things they eat. For example, if I gave you a litre of sugary soda per day and this naturally filled you up a little bit (maybe the sugar, maybe the volume of liquid, maybe even the caffeine in some drinks) then you might compensate by reducing some of the other things you eat. This is in contrast in controlled feeding trials where they will sometimes give people very precise amounts of food to see what happens. Some research literature shows sugary soda results in more weight gain and sometimes less weight gain and often it depends on the study design, and the amount of soda they are consuming. I hope that makes sense 🙂

@MM-ev1fg 4 месяца назад

@@BenCarpenter Yes I thought the case, these people must've been consciously aware to limit elsewhere and having 1 litre of soda was just not pleasant. If the same calories was spread out in other drinks or food they wouldn't have noticed it as much. Big issue with studies as you said is they don't monitor for other variables.

@JoeCool0510 3 месяца назад

What are your credentials Mr. Carpenter?

@BenCarpenter 3 месяца назад

Honestly, I am just a personal trainer. I decided not to go into university and pursue academia because when I was 17 years old, the university fees scared the shit out of me and I wasn’t sure I could afford them. I am just a dude who reads a lot of research papers as a hobby and tries to communicate that science to a wider audience so you can make informed, educated decisions. 🙂

@EB-bl6cc 4 месяца назад

Have a like. We need more people checking the bro-science, even if said bro-science is well-intentioned

@pigsweeper 4 месяца назад

Thanks for doing this! Just to be clear, does this mean you looked at all the other studies referenced and everything else seemed accurate to what the podcast said?

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

I did not. The podcast was VERY long and listening to 2-3 hours+ of a podcast to make social media content isn’t a very useful way to use my time unless I also plan on making a very long video. I was tagged in this short clip on TikTok so I am responding to just this one 🙂

@DDHS_Podcast 4 месяца назад

Hi Ben, well said. Love the way you debunked the podcast episode. It is so cruicial that we as scientist do not over interprete studies and especially declare the importance of limiations. Many greetings from a scientist. Thanks for your effort!

@zephrimgimble9209 4 месяца назад

Thank you for fact checking.

@BenCarpenter 4 месяца назад

My pleasure. Hope it was useful 🙂

@colmwhateveryoulike3240 4 месяца назад

See also the increase in false papers making it through peer review. So read studies carefully and critically and in context of broader research trends.

@bearmond 4 месяца назад

That is embarrassing...

@sameeahmuhammad8439 20 дней назад

Hubris from Huberman

@amazingmikemed 4 месяца назад

Isn't the study meaningless because it can't show causality, with so many variables, such as food they eat, exercise, how physically demanding is their work, health of people involved, how stressed out they are and so on. whether it 60 or 100 it all irrelevant.

@robd5254 4 месяца назад

Freedom, eat what you want! Sugar tax money goes to a thiefs pockets, and dont help anything else

@Lucas-mk1gi 4 месяца назад

Great, it is usually a lot more complex to show something is scientific misinformation, but you did it in 2 min

@ngrey5092 4 месяца назад

When (mass of) anecdotal evidence go against data, trust anecdotal evidence and check why data is not correct.

@DarkLink4861 3 месяца назад

There seems to be a large kernel of truth in Lustig's claims, however he needlessly exaggerates them so he can paint "big greedy food companies" as villains.

@mb10kx 2 месяца назад

vegetable oil way worse than sugar

@derekconn9950 3 месяца назад

First off he is going from memory, I wouldn’t expect him to remember every detail but the gist of it is correct. You should always research independently of what you hear anyway. But most of what he says is correct, stop drinking soda diet or otherwise they are trash. Eat only Whole Foods. You can’t expect anyone to not make a mistake but the overall point is correct

@mrs.robinson-lotus 2 месяца назад

Yeah that dude was a total wack job.