Have to say it .. if you can't tell which one is "the flier", then it ain't one... Looked like the factory stock was more consistent across ammo types. To me, looked like personal bias towards the chassis because it's COOL!
every time I see one of these type videos it just makes me appreciate my cheap ass Savage Axis II rifle that does sub MOA with PMC Bronze in .308. Eventually I'll put some match ammo through it but I want to get a good camera system to prove it to the world....
I really like your videos. You keep it simple and to the point. I usually watch these types of videos to get an idea of what upgrades are worth doing and what upgrades are not. I like how you present the information.
It is very apparent that you took more time in between each shot of the group with the chassis, so I’m not sure we can rule out user bias here. But showing the different loads was definitley informational. I’ve found mine like the federal fusion the best too if all the different factory loads I’ve gone thru.
We use the federal fusion for all our hunting trips across all different caliber of rifles and they have proven themselves reliable in accuracy and terminal performance. Luckily we bought a very nice supply to last many years for 5 of us before the I sanity began and ammo makers and powder primer manufacturers began selling mainly to Europe and Africa . Thanks Hogdon Thanks ammo makers
I'm not impressed. I can agree that the,chassis is nicer to shoot than the factory stock, but your test doesn't reflect anything. A .03 moa increase on the Hornady ammo is not even worth mentioning. A .23 moa increase on the Federal GMM is fair, but the 1.17 moa loss of accuracy in the Fusion is terrible. I assume you are a decent shooter, so you would know when you shank a round. You were dumbfounded by that one shot which means you felt good about it. One three round group does not reflect the accuracy of a rifle. You should have used the whole box, at minimum, three 3 round groups of each to get an average, then you can tell if there is really an improvement.
Great video. I have the same REM 700. I actually love the stock, not withstanding the flex issues but it doesn’t really bother me as it’s still a very accurate rifle.. I use the Federal Fusion in 180 grain. My understanding is that with the 20” barrel, the 1 in 10 twist stabilises the heavier round much more than the lighter ones so the heavier rounds outperform with this configuration. It’s also designed to be used with a suppressor, without losing accuracy 👍
Great information bud! I’m torn on what to get here. I’m in the market for a 308 threaded barrel hunting rifle. I’m trying to stay under 1K. Do you think the Remington 700 is still the best option out there? I’d really appreciate your feedback
Great video, helps a lot with a purchase I will be making soon. Would like to see again with 5 shot grouping. 3 shots never add the 4th or 5th flyer you can guarantee will happen every single time. I don’t like 3 shots to be the standard and I hate that companies say it. It’s not a good denominator
I think the biggest advantage the chassis provides is the ability to have consistency of your comfort and attachments. But if you suck at shooting, you will still suck at shooting with a chassis too.
I love how you automatically go to admitting you threw the shot off while other RU-vidrs would immediately go to “a bad load” or any other factor that doesn’t result too them as a shooter shanking it
If I'm not mistaken twist rate is less about bullet weight and more about bullet length. Longer bullets just tend to be heavier. But in the case of round nose soft point hunting bullets you get higher weights with the same bullet length. So I wouldn't assume that your 1 in 10 twist barrel likes heavier AND longer projectiles. If you go to a 180gr hollow point boat tail I doubt you'll have the same result.
Both my Remington 700 (.308) and my custom build LR-308 that I built love the 168gr and 175gr rounds you shot, but also do have good groupings with 180gr rounds.
my fcp-sr does great with 178gr hornady precision hunter, minus 150 gr core lokt this gun hasnt been happy with anything else I have tried. As far as target ammo the federall GMM 168 shoot very good in my gun, want to try the heavier version as well whenever 308 ammo is available again :(
Great stuff. Was hitting about moa with m118 with a ruger predator . After mdt lss, brought it closer to .65". Was 500 bucks worth it... Hell ya, especially when you're at 500 yds or further It makes an ordinary rifle into something that you can get competitive at.
My perspective - is this - that I started shooting some 44 yrs ago. Before 23 - I fired 10,000 rnds a year for 5 yrs. I knew when I pulled and when I shot clean. I saw in my mind - the call - and I called my shots for 2 more years. It was a way - to make my brain confirm when I did it all right. And If I called wrong - I did pull it. I kept trying to see the sights at the instant it broke. It got so I could not trick my brain. Some believe - calling shots on camera - is calling shots. It is not - it is making the story fit your story and deceiving yourself. The mind game - used in shooting will give you a rock solid advantage - over those who just pull a trigger and wish they shot better - after the fact. You have the added benefit - of know you are better - and can apply it to your whole life. Those who call good groups - their talent - and bad groups - blaming the firearm, will not serve you well.. It you doubt the mind body - ask those who use it - how many points they get from just the mind. Its 30% in double blind studies. I have challenged and bested anschutz rifles with a Winchester 52. They shot 1 inch groups. I had 2 bullets in one hole - 6 times. in a row. My sighters were single holes. Why comment - I never blamed the rifle or stock for my shooting. My shooting was mine to own. If I pull 1 inch at 100 yds - what bad shot can I mess up - at more distance. Be well!
You can’t pick and choose what you wanna use on your shooting. Just admit you are wrong and the cheap factory stock shot just as well or better. The evidence doesn’t lie.
But you can choose... most precision chasis i come across are free floating where cheap stock one are not most of the time.. but either way, you can always choose
Shoot one good chassis, and I can absolutely promise you will never be satisfied with a factory stock again. It is infinitely more comfortable and practical. It's like night and day. The difference in comfort and ergonomics makes me a much more accurate shooter on any platform.
I wouldn’t say he was wrong it definitely does make the gun more accurate especially something like a savage axis where the stock has a shit load of play but not sure $2000 is worth it for a few thousandth’s of an inch
I wouldnt necessarily consider that Hogue rubber overmolded full pillar bed stock "factory". Its an option from the manufacturer yes, but far from a basic synthetic stock
I have the ess chassie also with a rem700 in 6.5x55 swede in it. I hunt with it alot, it is my favorite rifle. But i have the forend with the partly picatinny so the scope can sit low without touching.
Awesome way to do some great experiments and involve as many shooters as you can so we all can learn a little more! Thank you for your time “and ammo” lol great video!
Thanks for doing a real world comparison...this is just the video and review I was wanting to see on the MTD Chasis system!!! The only thing that could have made this better was 10 round groups. Excellent video though!
@@buildhuntxplore When I was new to precision shooting, my scope bell was touching my barrel, gave me fits sometimes it was on then others it was so far off. I really enjoyed your comparison
I’ve got a Bergara chambered in 300PRC with a Nightforce ATACR. I put 4 rounds thru the same hole more or less from 200 yards with factory match ammo (Hornady Precision Hunter 212gr ELD-X) during the break in process. Now I know 200 yards isn’t anything for 300PRC. I was just getting a good zero. Really good rifles in my opinion.
I glass bed factory stocks. It has done well for my standards and saved me $ so I can buy powder and projectiles. My Savage 93v in 17 HMR came with a beer can plastic stock, glass bedded it. Bought a factory Ruger Precision Rimfire that I did NOT glass bed. I can't see a difference. Glass bedding costs me about $4 per rifle. A $600+ chassis can pay for a lot of components. And that's just for 1 rifle. Until a chassis can improve my shots by at least 60%, guaranteed, I'll spend my money on other things. Don't get me wrong, chassis' look way better than my factory stocks, so I lose on that every time. :D
Really need to redo the test with out useing the check rest on the chassis as you have very bad check weld on fatory stock... Have done this test and check weld will make more difference than a chassis if stock is half-decent..
Guess I got lucky, my SPS is my best shooting rifle. Consistently. I would love a chasis, wouldn't hurt my feelings to change it. Chasis systems are typically out of my price range. Guess I will just have to make due. Mine loves the 178 A-Max/ELD bullets over Varget or RE-15. You should try them with this rifle.
I don't see you making that mistake. Unless you called a pulled shot, at the instant of ignition; don't expect human error. Some rounds might not shoot all that consistent in some guns.
I'd like to see this done again but with the factory stock bedded properly and maybe 2-3 different shooters behind it. A good bedding job can really help a factory stock, is pretty simple to do and a very cheap accuracy fix vs a chassis. But lets be honest most guys go with the chassis cus they look cool and are easy to install. I gotta admit that 16.5 barrel looks money in that MDT despite being a traditional stock type of guy myself.
Bedding wouldnt help with the Hogue chassis as they are soft in the forend and bend when loaded up. On a wood or lamintae stock sure but not the hogue overmoulds.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of factory stock against one that has been bedded and fore end stiffening, I epoxied an aluminum strut into mine. Mine are 2 Howa 308s; 1st was the Knoxx Axiom, 2nd was Hogue. I can't justify a chassis.
good video, thanks. I know the factory stock of that Remington 700 has flex when preloading on a bipod, but I couldn't help notice that your average time between shots on the factory stock were about 4 sec (+/- .) and your avg on the ESS was about 8 sec (+/- .) Sub MOA on a factory stock is nice, but do you think the groups could have been better on the factory stock if you gave it equal time in between shots as you did on the ESS? im sure the added seconds wouldn't make a whole lot of difference because an aftermarket chassis is still superior.
@@mrzombiesawesome in one of the shots it does appear that he edited. but for the rest its not. it was an average anyway. but im sure you can agree that his shots in between on the ess were longer...anyway, like i said, an after market chassis is superior.
I was having some issues with my R700 SPS .223 couldn’t get the groups to close I was shooting around 1MOA at 100 yards that was it I bought a HS precision stock well I ended up selling it and Gor myself an M24 SWS end of my problems
I too have a Remngtom700 action (stainless) in an HS Precision stock with an HS pre cision stainless steel fluted barrel. It is in .300 Win mag. I really dislike Renmington's crappy trigger and their crappy extractor as wells their crappy one-piece bolt. Did I mention there's not much I like about a Remington 700? What I DO like is my 6.5 CM RUGER Precision Rifle. Lordy that rifle is accurate, not to mention very well designed and engineered.
There are two types of shooters. Those that 'plink' with a factory setup, and those that build a custom rifle. When on a budget, its always best to buy a rifle, throw the factory stock, and get a decent stock.
Me shooting groups: Alright, breathe. Relax. Nice and smooth on the trigger. Straight back in a line. Don't grip the stock too tight. Make sure clear sight picture. Ok, slow down the heart rate. Relax. Get set up... You: *BANG BANG BANG!* Eh, not bad. Next ammo.
So what’s the distance your sighted in at for this video? I’m guessing 100 yards that’s almost always the case for these types of videos and whoever someone sights in a new rifle and scope or setup.
I think the chassis matters more on cheaper factory rifles with pencil barrels, reference the Eric Cortina 6.5 Creedmoor NeedsMore series. Also due to barrel harmonics different chassis could produce different results with factory ammo. I’d love to see you put a barrel tuner on and redo this test.
Sorry, totally disagree with your opening comments. The bipod 'flexing' has nothing to do with accuracy. The Rem 700 is set up with a floating barrel. The accuracy between the factory stock and the aftermarket is the mounting of the receiver. Most of the modern stocks utilize a 'V' shaped well, utilizing a solid platform and reducing the (micro) movements when firing. The typical factory stock utilizes a crecent concave design which was great in its day, but with the V design, accuracy has been improved.
Trigger Tech triggers are excellent! I have two, the standard and the AR-Diamond. But I keep having a problem with the AR diamond trigger, no-fault of the trigger; it should be compatible with a Uintah Precision upper barreled action, but not with mine upper, two breaks, the hammer. Repair even if it cost me for the fix.
That group with the 180gr on the chassis, that one round could have been way out of spec and cause the issue. Or you could have anticipated the recoil and flinched. Without a chrono, you'll never know.
@@jeremys8360 I used the word "group" incorrectly on purpose for the sake of clarity of my main point. It doesn't matter how many shots are in the group if you know the error came from the shooter and not the rifle.
Thanks! It’s an MDT metal magazine. Really good quality. Fits and feeds extremely well. They offer two versions, one with the binder plate and one without. With binder plate for factory ammo or reloads within reason. If you want to push the OAL, no binder plate. Thanks for watching!
3%, 26%, 13.8% is an average of “14.26% increase of accuracy” not including his “flyers”. Stock cost about 1k right now. Which is more than the rifle cost. Pretty sure the gun is capable without the stock. I wish he did more shooting to back up his result and at least 5 shot groups. Nevertheless nice stock, nice shooting and nice video. Just not convincing to pay that much to get a possible 14.26%
