FAILING Card Games = Final Fantasy / Dragon Ball Super / KeyForge 

So thats ur strategy...talking shit about all the other cards games except magic which u have a large position in?? Good job

Dragon ball super is popping 9 months later tho! Lol

Dragonball is doing great i love playing it. Just because magic is established doesn't mean they own card games

Of everything discussed here, DBSCG does feel the closest to a big card game like Pokémon YGO or MTG

Boi was he wrong about dragon ball super card game lol

What about rummy, gin and solitaire? Can’t we focus on the classics for a minute? Moment of silence for all that died to a cowboy during a hot game of dueling solitaire.

Considering Keyforge just announced a $100,000 prize pool tournament series, I'd say they're doing okay.

Actually DBS card game is going on really strong, although lately people have been quitting from the latest extension, mainly because the game got much more balanaced where skill has more priority than spending lots of moneym

My brother owns a Card Games Store and thanks to Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh and DBSCG the store has been thriving. Specially thanks to Dragon Ball...

Dragon ball super has a good following in a lot of different shops over here on the east coast.

I think the changes in gaming culture is one biggest issue with new card games. Company's don't have the opportunity to make mistakes like WotC did. WotC got to survive its growing pains because it was the first and was a unique product. Nowadays if a company makes a mistake in balance or themes most people just drop the game on the spot.

when your knowledge stops at MTG, you shouldn't talk about other TCG.

Is it me or is Rudy a little bit more creepy than anything when he gets clean.

Rudy looks like Badger from Breaking Bad if he sorted his life out a bit

Ya dragon ball isn’t failing so much for this.

I dont trust anyone with a mustache like that

me right now: opening FFTCG Opus 12 p.s. I got a full art Shantotto!

This didn’t age well

Final Fantasy is doing great. The creator said it's doing better than he had thought. They recently started doing full art cards that are way more expensive on the secondary market, without ruining the balance of the game.

Dragon Ball Super is doing very strong in my area, and the product being released is getting a lot of hype 😁 12th set out in December (9 mains, 3 themed)

What if people just played games they enjoy

Final Fantasy has still got to be the best card game mechanics wise I have played. Loved it.

This same scenario happened in Pokemon. They over printed a few sets and distributors got burned hard and now people put in smaller orders and cause scarcity again.

Dragon ball is doing really well right now, pretty sure it is top 5 ccgs on the market and as far as meta goes it is in the best place it has ever been.

FINAL FANTASY card game is alive bro

you mentioned KeyForge and the light on the right side of your bookshelf went out 3:23

Yet he shilled the fuck out of meta zoo

Rudy doesn’t know what he’s talking about in DBSCG. Period. There is no rotation, he doesn’t know about the tournament of power boxes or the string of sets that are more expensive than others like draft box 04. These are the exact type of magic product he would invest in. Furthermore the game is very cheap to play and demand for old boxes in general is not very high for two reasons, one the majority of singles are pretty cheap and demand hasn’t required old boxes be cracked yet, and there has been some power creep meaning the newer stuff is more desirable. The game has found its stride and if Rudy analyzed the game better he would realize it’s got ALL the ingredients for a powerhouse of a card game, I played magic for almost 20 years and I like dragon ball super better. The game is very affordable and would be huge if people gave it a shot

Dbz Tcg is actually really good now, not like the other cards back then. The fan base around them too is pretty solid.

Hey Rudy, official judge for the fftcg here and in my opinion the community for this game has never been better. Tournaments here in the UK consistantly get 100+ players all the time. I think the issue with the sealed products is that there are only a handful of chase rare cards from each set that boosters themselves aren't worth it. The singles however, are definitely holding value. Shantotto from opus 1 is still holding a solid £10-15 price tag because the card is just good. Some singles even cost upwards of £60 now too. It's understandable to be sceptical, but I think this game is going to go far, especially with its creator, Kageyama-san, being very involved with the community, coming to several tournaments to see how people play the game, and to join in himself (I have played against him in multiple occasions) Do with opus X coming up, opus XI has also been spoiled along with new starter sets, and the world championship happening in LA soon, I definitely think it would be worth looking into again. Thanks for reading and stay frosty.

I've been buying and selling pokemon for years now got into dbs and Its going really well 🤷‍♂️

Isn't Yu-Gi-Oh bigger than Pokemon?

Dragon Ball it's doing great. I work for Pro Play Games. And they organize large tournaments in a different city every month.

Dragon Ball Super is doing pretty well now.

I invested heavily in gonorrhea back in the day, but unfortunately I got burned in the end.

Welp, 2021 & DBS seems to be doing pretty okay 😂

Now I'm curious. Anyone remember the Chaotic card game ? I think it was the most fun I had playing. Unfortunately, it died due to legal battle that I think is still ongoing (don't quote me here). I wonder if it would have hold up enough to be still played and sold.

The funny thing with dragon ball super is while some old booster boxes are on clearance, those are just the unpopular ones. The popular old booster boxes are so hard to find. They are getting scalped on eBay and Amazon for 8-16 times their original prize, their individual cards are going for 400 times regular super rates from other booster boxes. All this shows it's very much still in demand. The fact that you don't only have to go to hobby stores to find them, just Walmart, target, best buy selling them just like pokemon, yugioh and magic speaks that it is still popular.

Where the hell do you find dragon ball super card game boxes for 25 dollars when everywhere I look I see them for 40 plus and the new sets are still selling for 70 dollars plus.

On another note, does anyone know what type of camera and microphone (if external) Rudy uses? I'd really appreciate the information if anyone knows. Thanks!

How the heck did you add keyforge? Keyforge just had the bigbox stores pick it up.

so curious question, how does a card games stand the test of time? also how can u tell or what do u look for?

I hope that KeyForge sticks around, at least for another 5 years. I appreciate M:tG for what it was and what it's done but the game today is just not that rewarding to play or commit time to. I'm speaking as a player, not an investor, of course. I'm also squarely a "Johnny", as Mark Rosewater might say. What was worthwhile and interesting about Magic was the exploration and creative expression. I could care less about "crushing my opponents" or competitive play. Modern M:tG doesn't reward the "Johnnys" much anymore. I think KeyForge's strength AND weakness (and what may be it's financial undoing) is that it is aimed squarely at us "Johnnys" who stopped bothering with Magic long ago because it just wasn't interested in appealing to us. Listening to Garfield's mission statement for KeyForge convinced me that this is the vehicle for me to get back to what made M:tG fun (and thus successful) in the first place. That sense of curiosity, rawness and a community of creative minds. I don't expect it to ever seriously compete with Magic. I don't know that any game ever will. But I'm not terribly interested in that. Magic can continue raking in the dough and I'm happy for it's success...but I haven't spent a nickel on it since around 2001 and I don't see anything that the game can do to change my mind now. I have, however, spent a probably-unnecessary amount of money on KeyForge and I'm going to do my part to try to get it making its rounds in my local community. I'm thinking about starting a local league. Now THAT'S how Magic used to be played and THAT'S where the fun is! No more boring net-deck grinds! :-)

FFTCG is doing fine. From a selling product standpoint, it's a ton of sales out the gate then stagnant after. Tournament scene is bigger than ever, and player involvement has its ebb and flow. It has good balance and a fantastic secondary market. There's only 4 banned cards, and even 2 of them are not NEEDED bans, but designer-requested bans. No, none of the other TCGs are ever gonna beat the big 3, but they aren't out to. They appeal to the people who don't want to play those other games, or have issues with those other games/communities. MTG has the advantage of being the oldest and most well-known. Pokemon appeals to kids and adults very easily with a low ceiling of entry. Yugioh has a tv show that has cool scenarios and encourages the purchase of product. It's all about what's already established and dominating the market. Since it's what I'm into, I can definitely say that FFTCG didn't set out to take down the giants; it pays homage to them in many ways. Regardless, the game is fine. Product sales are in a bad lull but that doesn't mean the game is dying. Maybe from a distributor's eyes, but to myself, a TO and player, it's just as good as any other game. It has no more or less players in my area than the other games, and overlaps with a few. A huge part of the problem is that boxes are sold SUPER cheap on Amazon, which I've not seen as much for other TCGs. But it destroys anybody trying to sell them for MSRP or even shops that sell it well below that. All the shops in Chicago sell theirs for 100. But if you can go on Amazon and buy a box for 85+cheap shipping, the shops are going to suffer. I've seen first-hand how it hurts the shops in the area. I mean, I know a guy who just bought an Opus 4 box for $30!!! No distributor in the area is offering them that low, so shops don't bother carrying it. I mean, there's no value in the set for established players, but that's neither here nor there. With ALL that being said, with the release of full-art cards, people are scrambling to get the bling in Opus 9 and onward. Because boy are they NICE. I just hate the snickers we get from MTG players after seeing videos like this. It's obviously the people and not the video, though.

Wish he would update this video about Dragon Ball lol. Shit is thriving

May VS. System rest in peace I wish I had a box of DC Legends to keep as a draft cube.

I'm a retired MTG player started during Antiquities and got out around Mirroden block. I still enjoy the videos especially the ones about random old games. I notice when talking about some of the newer games you left one out. Come November we will be 1 year and 4 sets into Transformers TCG which I enjoy. What are your thoughts on it?

I do love the background Rudy. The amount of nostalgia there is over 9000. Keep the long form videos going, I feel like I learn something new every time!

I love playing DBS. It's fun. It has shrunk in size but i'm gonna keep playing till it's gone.

What's up with the light that's the second time I've seen that happen

why the shelf light stopped working , is rudy trying to tell us something ?

how do you feel wizard's transformers TCG is doing?

Hmmm dragon ball is actually thriving a lot rn, especially how diverse and crazy the meta is, but hey MTG is always better right. Shame rudy, shame

Lol. Maybe I’m the minority but there’s a pretty large dragon ball community out where I live. The only booster box in the 20 dollar range is world martial arts tournament and that’s cause the archetypes are so niche nobody plays them all the other booster boxes are between 45-75 a piece. The ones closer to the 45 dollar price is because the good rares are being reprinted often. Idk food for thought

The Tournament of Power Booster box for the DBS Card game is selling for over 2,000 dollars, and the last 4 booster boxes are all being sold for at least 150 Dollars. Two 1,000 dollar cards if graded, and many above 400 dollars.. Maybe you should just check back in to the DBS Trading Card game.

As a long time FFTCG player and content creator for it, the largest thing holding the game from being great is that there is currently no rotation. With that being the case, decks only end up needing an extremely small % of cards from older sets so people don't by boxes. Thus causing those prices to go down drastically. Opus 10 is releasing in a few weeks and we already know about Opus 11 and 12. There are the normal issues with distribution and community growth that are inherent with fighting against larger games such as Pokemon of MTG, but I've known a large contingent of MtG players that will say FFTCG is more fun and worth playing than MtG but prizing and money are the biggest things that keep them in WOTC pocket. I would love to talk more on this, but ultimately I think FFTCG was a bad include in this as the game is continually growing more and more and while it won't show off the chart financial movements like other TCG's and I think looking at it from that perspective really diminishes the growth of the game (as well as the other TCGS you mentioned).

"Richard Garfield games fail" Netrunner, King of Tokyo, Bunny Kingdom, RoboRally...

And here we are, just about a year AFTER this, and dragon ball super is flourishing. I get it, I really do.. but you used the wrong brand as an example. Dragon ball is flourishing, all the cards are skyrocketing in value. The tournaments and competitiveness within the game is at an all time high, and just getting more and more popular. Dragon ball fans are super loyal, we're not going anywhere.

Hey Rudy, if there’s a card game that doesn’t try to take on magic/Pokémon/yu-gi-oh ad be the next big thing, instead tries to be a introductory game to the tcg world/ a side game when you need some time off the big three, do you think it’s going to work out?

I have a feeling that Rudy doesn’t like Keyforge because its secondary market doesn’t work the same way as other CCGs/TCGs.

keyforge has a huge following here 30+ players at locals

Yugioh will stand the test of time, it's been in circulation for almost 20 years now and it's still a big game. Some old cards like Raigeki are still used to this day and being able to use the old cards from the first sets and getting continuous support for them is the reason why people still play.

Hey rudy, what happened to your store? is it still open or did you close it?

Every time you bring these topics up I want to comment but I'm holding it all in until it's ready. It's so close!!! I'm currently waiting on the third proof, which is for sure the final proof. Once I have that I'll start filming everything so all the necessities are available when I go live. I'm bouncin' off the walls here, Rudy! This is gonna be nuts!!!

I thought dbs was doing pretty well.

None plays Mtg in my city... We only play DBSCG, shut up hahah

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on Argent Saga.

Rudy from your video I see that you don't think it will happen, but what do you think is more important to a card game that can stand the test of time: having great mechanics? Or being backed by an established franchise? If your answer is the second one, what franchise you think has a chance to be a good card game that hasn't been done recently?

LOL @ DBS failing!

Now look at dbs 😂 calm down those assumptions 😂 too quick to call

What do you think the future has in store for Miniature WarGames not made by Games Workshop. A lot of the next "Warhammer" games are seemingly struggling after booming a few years ago.

Whats your outlook on argent saga on how it's going to do Rudy?

Keyforge is a awesome and fun game. The new set Worlds Collide, is going to be really good. Played magic over 20 years, I definitely enjoy Keyforge more.

What's your opinion on transformers tcg?

This reminds me of my old Rage cards, I loved those cards so much, I wish they had a bit more spotlight at the time.

What are those things on on the very top of the bookcase?

Rudy prolly doesnt talk much about Yu-Gi-Oh! In this video cause it's doing well and he doesnt know that much about it.

Keyforge isn't trying to be Magic. I'm not promising that's going to be successful but it doesn't need to take them down in order for it to survive. There's no secondary market by design. It isn't a fair comparison.

I have a quick question tho. I don’t know if anyone ever mentions it, but why don’t you refer much to Yu-Gi-Oh? Like it’s been around about as long as the other two. It has a major company producing it like Konami, and I thought it was doing pretty well. Obviously not as big of a market share as MTG or Pokémon, but definitely not a dying breed like DBZ/DBS. And I guess also kinda related. Whatever happened to the original Naruto TCG? They had maybe like 20+ expansions, strong resale value on the secondary market of both sealed and single cards, and a cult following. I ask this cause I loved the game, but I actually saw like some Naruto/Boruto TCG cards (not the same as the original) at like a Target and it got me wondering.

KeyForge looked promising, but talking to the owner of my former LGS was illuminating. He said there was no real money in it for him. Prize support around the time it released was non-existent, so there wasn't demand for tournaments. There was also no secondary market to speak of. He sold (and still sells) tonnes of MtG and Yugioh cards on TCG Player, but how do you re-sell underpowered KeyForge decks and make a profit?🤷‍♂️

The opening and logic of this video are hilarious in light of how hard you're now selling out for FaB less than a year into its existence: "you need to stand the test of time."

Final fantasy beat standard activity for mtg at my local lgs

Ccg/Tcg its a lost format for a simple reason. I just ask my self: how much i can expand only One game? Wheres so much stuff outside waiting for taste.. Stand alone games or Lcg can always be sold, cause any can buy what hi wants.

Rudy what do you think of the new Digimon TCG being released in April?

I'm still a big fan of the old "Wyvern" CCG. Hard to find boxes and packs though.

This video didn't age well. Keyforge gains players daily.

So what will it take to compete with Pokémon and magic?

So are you saying my old Star Wars and Star Trek CCG cards are worthless?

playing final fantasy nes for the first time and I'm loving it

Keyforge is pretty fun. It's only major problem is this idea it's a mtg killer, or aimed at mtg crowd. It's not. It's more like hearth stone to me in complexity and game play. It's more aimed at those players, then mtg.

Back when I played DBS near the beginning, it felt to me that sets were released too quickly.

I managed to sell "Unleashed" foil for 55 bucks when DBZ panini was relevant. acquired off one of two packs I ever bought, hit & quit it. giggity

You can't argue taste. To me, spending thousands of dollars on a "pay-to-win" game like MTG is failing.

I dont really think DBS is failing however I hope it gets expensive soon like Pokemons Skyridge or Neo Destiny

Rudy needs a Mulder poster "I want to believe"...

Rudy, I'm(was) a World of Warcraft: TCG player. I love the game and the cards are cool. It failed because Blizzard stopped productions on those in favor of creating Hearthstone. My questions is, why are the sets booster boxes do not tank in price? Instead they go up and up... I understand how something can become "rare" after it's discontinued but it's been 5 years now! What's your take on this? Thank you.

Well here it is 2 years later and DBS is doing great! Cards and booster boxes holding value and constantly going up! Know plenty of people loving the game and it growing very big right now.

Ah I remember the days when square could do no wrong. Back before they became a movie studio slumming it with games.

Would you ever do a video on mtg markets in other countries? Will become a patron after i reach my savings goal lol.

From my experience (about 12 years of selling this stuff) games come and go, they make money for a short time and then fall off the wagon. There are only 3 games that stick though. Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokemon and Magic.