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@BeatsAndMeats
@BeatsAndMeats 10 часов назад
Glenn.. I CANT BELIEVE you don’t have the exact same opinions as I do!!! Unsubscribed!!!
@massapower
@massapower 5 часов назад
GOOD RIDDANCE !!
@axemanfishing2703
@axemanfishing2703 18 минут назад
Hmmm, guess he hurt your feelings. Problem is, hes right. ;-)
@SWhorton
@SWhorton 9 часов назад
Started the video at 0.5 speed and I thought Glenn was wasted 😂
@PooNinja
@PooNinja 7 часов назад
I watch about everything in 2 x so it was very entertaining till i dropped to a respectable 1.5 speed 😂
@sjoerdvisser76
@sjoerdvisser76 7 часов назад
Hi-la-rious!! Thanks for the tip. It made the rant a whole lot more entertaining!😂
@TazzSmk
@TazzSmk 7 часов назад
@@PooNinja hah yea same here too, I was like "dude they're playing fast, ofc it's triggered" xD
@michaelolz
@michaelolz 6 часов назад
That is fun. 😂
@ImaginationMeme
@ImaginationMeme 5 часов назад
@@PooNinjahow can you possibly watch anything in 2x speed
@Jjsssssss
@Jjsssssss 9 часов назад
I think this video is missing the point. No one in the "extreme drumming world" is operating under the assumption that kicks (or even snares much of the time) would be acoustic. Everyone is aware that triggers are used, and triggers are widely encouraged, especially for kicks, as it would be physically impossible to produce this type of music without them. The reason many of these drummers were getting called out was because they were uploading videos where they stated that the tracks were _unedited_. By unedited we don't mean devoid of triggers, we mean edits in post-production, such as aligning things to the grid and editing in samples where hits were missed or such. Everyone knows that most album recordings are grid aligned as well, but you can't do that live, so whoever gets the new role of playing drums for a band like Archspire has to be able to play it "clean enough" live, but it's never gonna be perfect like on an album.
@icipher6730
@icipher6730 8 часов назад
yep, this video misses the original point. entirely.
@getshwiftygaming447
@getshwiftygaming447 8 часов назад
this is a misinformed take, not that many people know about triggers and triggers aren't cheating. these guys claiming the videos aren't edited aren't lying you guys just complain about everything while being about as knowledgeable as a peasant in the dark age.
@theabsolute23
@theabsolute23 8 часов назад
@@Jjsssssss claiming that it’s physically impossible to produce this type of music without triggered kicks is a delusional take. It’s completely possible to use raw, untriggered, unquantized bass drum audio in high-BPM, high-bass drum density extreme metal; as brutal death metal bands have been doing since the early 90’s. It may be impossible for them to be easily audible or well enunciated in a mix without triggering when playing 16th and 32nd notes nonstop at comically stupid speeds, but that’s an inherent flaw with this new ilk of artificial deathcore bands like Archspire, rings of saturn, infant annihilator etc., who write guitarpro drumlines with virtually no dynamics, often playing that nonstop machine gun double bass trite with double strokes instead of single alternating stroke with swivel technique like they should be played.
@fat_mason
@fat_mason 8 часов назад
Thank you! Absolutely agree. So many people are completely missing the point. Triggers are not the issue. Dishonesty is.
@NetherlordAxenrot
@NetherlordAxenrot 7 часов назад
Agreed 💯%. POST production is their issue.
@latheofheaven1017
@latheofheaven1017 4 часа назад
Aside from the real/fake issues, none of this is music. It's just gymnastics.
@ciniclay
@ciniclay 10 часов назад
I've seen Kevin live from just a few feet away. If anyone can pull it off, he can!
@rondorn4331
@rondorn4331 7 часов назад
Dude if Archspire is not your thing, I get it. But if they wind up on the boat you should join me and check them out. I think they do bring the song writing as well as the technical 'holy crap' vibe.
@SpectreSoundStudios
@SpectreSoundStudios 7 часов назад
Ok! I’ll be sure to check them out
@BittersweetDuality
@BittersweetDuality 8 часов назад
Archspire's music is fucking GREAT. Don't get me wrong, there are obviously a fuckton of tech death bands you can accurately say prioritize difficulty of performance over musicality, but Archspire is not one of them. Very well-written songs
@theabsolute23
@theabsolute23 8 часов назад
@@BittersweetDuality archspire is great if you just started listening to extreme metal this year and don’t know quality yet
@BittersweetDuality
@BittersweetDuality 8 часов назад
@theabsolute23 I'll bet you anything that we have plenty of overlap in our favorite extreme metal bands.
@theabsolute23
@theabsolute23 8 часов назад
@@BittersweetDuality Possibly. Defeated sanity, epicardiectomy, devourment, brodequin, early decapitated, early dying fetus, pig destroyer, waking the cadaver, discordance axis do anything for you?
@BittersweetDuality
@BittersweetDuality 7 часов назад
@theabsolute23 Yeah I love Decapitated and Dying Fetus. In fact Nihility has been my favorite tech death album for years and years. Defeated Sanity has been on my to-do list to check out but haven't gotten around to em yet
@theabsolute23
@theabsolute23 7 часов назад
@ New Defeated Sanity is amazing they’re releasing another full length in a month which is gonna feel like Christmas morning for me, highly recommend you check out their old stuff beforehand too. The first half of Disposal of the Dead, Psalms of the Moribund, and Passages into Deformity are all perfect to me. I love Nihility too, kinda hard to pick between whether or not I like Nihility or Winds of Creation more.
@resington
@resington 9 часов назад
Arch Spire push boundaries but also write actual songs.
@BrianBower
@BrianBower 8 часов назад
I love Archspire! They're hilarious too.
@Gainovermg
@Gainovermg 8 часов назад
…you sure about that?
@Sergio-nb4hj
@Sergio-nb4hj 8 часов назад
​@@GainovermgI mean it's one of their objectives as a band yeah
@CCDaDon15
@CCDaDon15 2 часа назад
They write boring tech death that's just basically tech9ine songs in cookie monster growls (I like death metal and cookie monster growls.... when it's good... like Atheist, Bloodbath, etc)
@orionbekesi
@orionbekesi Час назад
@@CCDaDon15 Archspire's compositions are actually good listen to Drain of incarnation. Atheist writes riffs salads.
@BedPanAlley
@BedPanAlley Час назад
This style of drumming just sounds so silly, comical, and ridiculous to me. I can’t take it seriously, despite the immense amount of work and talent it takes to achieve it.
@johnterpack3940
@johnterpack3940 54 минуты назад
Exactly. It doesn't add anything to the music. Nobody in the audience is hearing each individual snare beat.
@prsplayer210
@prsplayer210 3 минуты назад
Speed vs composition , speed always loses. Boring constant fast repition.
@perpetualbluesmachine4544
@perpetualbluesmachine4544 9 часов назад
Historically is their "Keys to the Lamborghini" moment 🤷🏽
@ManleyReviews
@ManleyReviews 10 минут назад
gives a whole new meaning to the term "ghost notes"
@KaldDodeGitarist
@KaldDodeGitarist 9 часов назад
I love Glenn and his videos, but shitting on Archspire feels a lot like "old man yelling at clouds" lol
@hhaste
@hhaste 8 часов назад
Yeah, he really should have chosen Rings of Saturn or Infant Annihilator as the main subject band, even though hes still watching the Archspire auditions. Archspire at least still plays live, without programming anything.
@theabsolute23
@theabsolute23 8 часов назад
@@hhasteI’d say RoS, infant annihilator and archspire are all in the same boat as far as fake drum augmentation goes. At least RoS (who also fake and speed up some of their guitarlines) try (or used to try) to make some unique scalar lines to fit with the whole alien concept
@XueYlva
@XueYlva 3 часа назад
​@theabsolute23 I think Archspire's music is way more boring than RoS or IA, but ironically deserve to be kept out of this "overproduction quantized garbage" discussion considering that every single member of their band executes their parts live without issues or cheating. Their drummer can actually play that shit.
@theabsolute23
@theabsolute23 22 минуты назад
@@XueYlva they may be able to play their shit live but the studio records they put out absolutely sound like “overproduction quantized garbage” and undoubtedly are triggered to hell and probably quantized to grid too, so I’ll never be able to see them as anything else.
@NetherlordAxenrot
@NetherlordAxenrot 8 часов назад
POST Production, NOT triggering. That’s the issue, Glenn. 😂
@SpectreSoundStudios
@SpectreSoundStudios 7 часов назад
It’s all “who can play samples the fastest” as opposed to “who can play the drums this fast & still have them sound good”
@NetherlordAxenrot
@NetherlordAxenrot 7 часов назад
⁠@@SpectreSoundStudios Agreed! 🤘
@myopicautisticmetal9035
@myopicautisticmetal9035 6 часов назад
@@SpectreSoundStudios I heartily agree.
@johnterpack3940
@johnterpack3940 57 минут назад
@@SpectreSoundStudios And a lot of guys are faking it with editing.
@Fogeyspasm
@Fogeyspasm 7 часов назад
Really does absolutely nothing for me. Sounds as ridiculous as the old Roland drum machine we had that we used to wind up to full speed in rehearsals just for a laugh. It may be clever, obviously some love it but to me a lot of it is just comedy gold.
@multimike2030
@multimike2030 9 часов назад
I like that Glenn has conceded that for Archspire-level music, things like kick triggers are needed to sample the full power of a kick at that kind of speed. Also want to point out that Archspire's music itself is actually very well-written, the guitar melody lines are really memorable and catchy, and they're getting more popular as time goes on.
@NetherlordAxenrot
@NetherlordAxenrot 7 часов назад
🎉DISTORTION HAS ENTERED THE CHAT 🎉 They all had this rhetoric in the 50’s about electric guitars. SAME SHIT 😂
@transmundanemusic
@transmundanemusic 3 часа назад
Fake drum playthroughs, fake guitar playthrough, fake vocal playthroughs. Welcome to the age of modern social media musicians. The metal space is the worst about it. Not a single authentic performance in site. Triggers are debatable for me. The bigger issue imo is post editing, and miming to an edited performance. In addition to playing half speed and then speeding up etc.
@orlock20
@orlock20 2 часа назад
And they still can't write a decent song. That's why many do covers even if it's there own song at their concerts.
@EmperorKamikaze
@EmperorKamikaze 9 часов назад
$10,000 drumsets, mic'd up and then "replaced". Makes me laugh. Get a $300 Alesis nitro then, jeez
@MarkRigler
@MarkRigler 7 часов назад
Probably wear out the nitro in a week
@JackLStroem
@JackLStroem 7 часов назад
That is such a pet peeve of mine.. Metal musicians are so elitist they need all the expensive mics they can read about on gearslutz, only to sample replace them... and yet it still sounds like shit! In the 80s i ready people used drum synths/samplers and recorded live cymbals. That stuff sounds fantastic in my opinion. But honestly just mic a drumkit up with some mics and go to town and watch some youtube videos on mixing, its really not that difficult to get a decent/passable result.
@nyack666
@nyack666 3 часа назад
But nobody will watch your video or attend your live concert if you use e drums, no?
@Fanafranky
@Fanafranky 6 часов назад
Bone Force Navigator 🤣🤣🤣 As an Archspire fan I laughed out loud at that one!
@WompRok
@WompRok 5 часов назад
That shit had me too!
@BeatsAndMeats
@BeatsAndMeats 2 часа назад
Even better that he gives it a different name every time he says it.
@DerSilvano
@DerSilvano 10 часов назад
What is is with this current trend of "I didn't want to make this video" or something along those lines?
@raxusquin
@raxusquin 9 часов назад
It's not a trend. If you say something controversial or critical it's normal to not feel like being brigaded by crybabies for taking about it. Just general Internet culture these days
@Dm3qXY
@Dm3qXY 9 часов назад
@@raxusquin nope, it's making deals with the algo.. as a trend; then later on changing the title or thumbnail, or both to something that would have made sense originally
@DerSilvano
@DerSilvano 8 часов назад
@@raxusquin Yeah but this "I didn't want to do a video on so and so" and then proceeding to do a video like they ow us something is...weird. Hypocritical maybe?
@theabsolute23
@theabsolute23 8 часов назад
I do wish people felt comfortable saying things that are going to be controversial without feeling the need to pre-emptively apologize and damage control with the “I didn’t wanna talk about this” line. Besides, the only people that are going to be upset about this video are the fake problem drummers themselves, archspire fans, etc., so who actually cares. Mike Caputo, Dan Presland; a lot of the drummers in the scene have already outwardly criticized the rampant editing and faking in modern metal drumming, it’s not like Glenn’s the first to say something, he’s taking an already established side
@getshwiftygaming447
@getshwiftygaming447 8 часов назад
@@DerSilvano that's a delusional take
@deaddrums
@deaddrums 6 часов назад
I agree that the dick-measuring contest to the “who can be the fastest” has never made sense to me. But saying this kind of playing carries no meaning/no message and isn’t musical, is the other end of a bad discussion. There are some amazing bands whom have drummers play these kind of styles who are ab-so-lute-ly musical. Fleshgod apocalypse writes classic baroque pieces layered with complete orchestras combined with technical death metal. When there are more than 300 layers of instruments going it makes sense to see the drums more as a layer in the overal composition. Above all, I’d rather have a musician who had to train and work to achieve a certain “style”, even is that being the human equivalent of a drum machine, than to have someone with no talent being edited/cleaned/auto-tuned to fuck.
@johnterpack3940
@johnterpack3940 51 минуту назад
Having tons of layers over white noise doesn't make the noise musical. This drumming conveys nothing. There's no rhythm, which is the fundamental point of drums.
@myopicautisticmetal9035
@myopicautisticmetal9035 10 часов назад
Call me old or what have you, I still play my acoustic drums with mics. Every time I say anything I get attack of the fanboys, it's adorable, lets see these kids play live jamming with a guitarists amp cranked and no PA/triggers and hear their heel toe and gravity blasts over the amp.
@jackflynn-oakley1937
@jackflynn-oakley1937 9 часов назад
So you can see the justification of amplification for a guitar, but not a drum kit, great. Also, congratulations on being able to play an acoustic drum kit without being evicted! If only everyone could be so lucky…
@BillyDHughesDrums
@BillyDHughesDrums 9 часов назад
Do a gravity blast at 220bpm then ... lol thought so
@myopicautisticmetal9035
@myopicautisticmetal9035 7 часов назад
@@BillyDHughesDrums I don't play to a grid. Oh, and thanks for proving my point, fanboys have spoken.
@myopicautisticmetal9035
@myopicautisticmetal9035 6 часов назад
@@jackflynn-oakley1937 Justify playing electric guitar with no amp along with acoustic drums. Learn history as to the reason amps were invented. What you're ignoring is that every one of those drummers were playing acoustic drums with triggers for audition videos, blended with mics and they had to enhance the gravity blasting snare strokes even to hear it. Where do you get they can't play acoustic drums with out being evicted? They're all playing acoustic drums.
@BillyDHughesDrums
@BillyDHughesDrums 6 часов назад
@myopicautisticmetal9035 well thats not a flex, but you don't have to play to a grid to do gravity blast. Turn the click off and get good. Be the click you dragging drummer lol
@aarondoyle5794
@aarondoyle5794 38 минут назад
Great analysis Glenn! I thoroughly enjoyed this.
@maddrkieck
@maddrkieck 8 часов назад
People call it "yelling at clouds", but as an older guy who has also seen music go from "writing killer catchy songs with a hook", to "playing as fast as humanly possible" - it's more or less a taste thing. People can do shit we would never have imagined 20 years ago, and the fact it's possible now is fucking impressive (the techniques I see now are just crazy). But I agree with the fact that it feels less like what I consider music, and sounds more like 2 drum robots fucking at hyper speed to my ears. Good on all those dudes for pushing boundaries, but as a drummer I prefer imperfect hard hitting drums to super fast drums that need augmentation to match sound levels that sacrifice velocity for speed.
@RandysRides
@RandysRides 5 часов назад
I love asking "what did he say ??" when my buddies listen to death metal. Arrarrorahhhgrrrahhharrrrr. Yeah...that's what I heard, too. Talented.
@DrMackSplackem
@DrMackSplackem Час назад
Exactly. It doesn't really move me either as music, but I sometimes enjoy the athleticism even if I'm not the target audience.
@AnthonySforza
@AnthonySforza 6 часов назад
"Oh wow, impressive. Oh wait, Im watching at 2x speed."
@faultylinedup
@faultylinedup 2 часа назад
OLD MAN SHAKES FIST AT METAL SUBGENRE
@bassclef1686
@bassclef1686 9 часов назад
I’ve seen this band live twice with Spencer on drums, killer set, everyone killed it! Live it seemed like he had kick and snare triggers, but still an amazing job playing this. I agree, I want real hits on the record, but live I’m more ok with triggers as a utility
@BlackNoteStudios
@BlackNoteStudios 9 часов назад
If 4/5 guys or girls can't walk into a room together as a band and play the hell out of their (cough) real acoustic instruments, it's bullshit. Especially to tape. Auto-tune, time aligned, sampled, quantized plastic POS. Music is made on an instrument, not on a computer screen. It's why music today
@xserienchiller86
@xserienchiller86 6 часов назад
you don't get it.. You don't go to the studio to play music. You want to record. Nobody wants to have live recordings on a song. that's a whole different concept
@myopicautisticmetal9035
@myopicautisticmetal9035 6 часов назад
@@xserienchiller86 you're the one that doesn't get it. I can sit down on any kit and play with a guitar player without need of a PA system and triggers to perform what I do, the problem is the inhuman standard set by programmed drumming over the last 20 years that has stagnated to the point that now we are expected to cheese it just to perform the beats on a recording live. We're not all playing festivals with 15K+ watt PA systems to power our drum kits. I saw a band in a bar with a small PA for just vocals but the drummer insisted on running his triggers through it, too, he drown the vocals out completely and blew out the speakers.
@RandysRides
@RandysRides 5 часов назад
@@myopicautisticmetal9035 EXACTLY. But keep in mind, most of the views and comments come from teenagers...they don't grasp logic quite yet. They think they'll become famous by playing a genre only 2% of the population listen to.
@RPSchonherr
@RPSchonherr 5 часов назад
Music has been made on computers since they first added a sound card. boop boop beep beep boop
@RPSchonherr
@RPSchonherr 5 часов назад
@@RandysRides Dude, Taylor swift and that's all that needs saying.
@mybrotherjames8579
@mybrotherjames8579 Час назад
I refuse to mute my bass drum or play to a click. Get at me Glenn! 😂
@cIappo896
@cIappo896 9 часов назад
There are few drummers that can actually do this; and the only one I know is George Kollias. The live demo he did with Pearl, playing "4th Arra of Dagon" shows it quite well. It's still way quieter than the sampled drums, but louder than most of these guys can do IRL.
@Angelrat666
@Angelrat666 8 часов назад
Bone Forest Navigator is a pretty good name. Btw. have you recognized that every modern "core" bands look like a bunch of Students for Office administrations?
@tezzerii
@tezzerii Час назад
This isn't music - it's competitive sport.
@travisspaulding2222
@travisspaulding2222 9 часов назад
I think drums are the cornerstone of any band. They make or break a band. Vocals are the most identifiable part of a band, but a bad drummer can ruin everything; however, a good drummer can save a lot. I think that is a big reason heavy music has become largely unoriginal. I've written a lot of songs where the drum beat came first, but most of the time, I was jamming with a drummer who came up with the beat on the spot, and we discovered the beginning of a new song and worked it out from there. These days, and I just found this out relatively recently, apparently a lot of people will program drums first using the same loops thousands of other musicians use. Then we wonder why music has become unoriginal. As far as this video, it's just musician olympics. The only people who like someone pretending to play something impossible are gullible musicians. Everyone else just moves on, lol. I miss the days where if you didn't have a drummer, you didn't have a band, lol.
@timharrison2076
@timharrison2076 3 часа назад
Metal has killed itself with this obsession for speed. Fake or real, most of that was just an incoherent noise.
@WeAreHere-42
@WeAreHere-42 3 часа назад
Technicality for the sake of technicality, in music, is essentially musical masturbation.
@ClarkColborn
@ClarkColborn 9 часов назад
Nice monologue at the end, Glenn. Seriously, I’m with you. I imagine you’re going to get the same sh!t I do when I make the same criticisms on this style of drumming. I’m all for people having their own thing and doing and digging whatever, but this doesn’t style of drumming doesn’t appeal to me at all. I like drums that groove, that are clever and creative. Thanks for the video, man!
@tomaskacer8360
@tomaskacer8360 8 часов назад
Yeah, you don't like it, you like groove, good for you. Some of us like the agressive and intense vibe that blast beats can bring. Who are you to say your taste is anyhow better than kids liking ridiculous blast beats?
@ClarkColborn
@ClarkColborn 8 часов назад
@@tomaskacer8360 Jeez, dude, this is exactly the kind of reaction I'm talking about! I very clearly said I am all for people digging their own thing. I never said I was better than anyone for HAVING MY OWN TASTES. I simply stated that this does not appeal to ME, not that it's bad in any way. I don't give a shit what anyone else likes. I don't like country, rap/hip hop, pop, and death metal (mostly due to the vocals, I do appreciate some of the guitar work), but that doesn't mean I think my taste is better than anyone else's, other than how my taste relates to me. You do you, man. I just stated what I like & that I agree with what Glenn said in this video. Who are you to say anything about my tastes? Right? Good for you that you like blast beats. I don't. I won't tell you what to listen to, and maybe you shouldn't put words in my mouth.
@tomaskacer8360
@tomaskacer8360 6 часов назад
@DoomedTraveler yeah, if you don't think extreme drumming can be as much creative and clever as whatever you Are into, than you are the Silly Billy here... Also, aren't you a bit old for this lame and silly passive agressive writing? Here's this sneaky fella for a good measure too. " :) "
@orlock20
@orlock20 2 часа назад
@@tomaskacer8360 But isn't a 300 bmp bass beat that's sampled just like another 300 bmp bass beat that was sampled? The drummer might as well be R2D2 or a DJ.
@johnterpack3940
@johnterpack3940 43 минуты назад
@@tomaskacer8360 There's nothing creative or clever about it. It's just "go as fast as possible". Nobody can hear the difference between one song and the next. You can't even tell one band from the next. It's boring as hell. Like listening to static on the radio.
@johnmcintyre2123
@johnmcintyre2123 Час назад
Lmao at the first 5 seconds of the video. Glenn summed up the current state of metal.
@Hrotiberhtaz
@Hrotiberhtaz 7 часов назад
Yeah, over time metal have turned into mostly of a math, technique and physical limits genre. Used to be my jam, but i'm getting really tired of it. A lot of the the atmosphere, themes, groove, songs comprehension and story telling goes missing in it imo. I often rather listen to black metal recorded on a potato powered cassette recorder these days. It might be missing the groove, but at least it have the storytelling, the atmosphere that you can relate to.
@Gongtopia
@Gongtopia 3 часа назад
Glenn, keeping things real. Thanks!
@jeremybarrow2455
@jeremybarrow2455 10 часов назад
Speed doesn’t mean crap if it doesn’t groove.
@iDealMedley
@iDealMedley 9 часов назад
Ok old man
@spoonerluv
@spoonerluv 9 часов назад
All depends on the end goal. Tech Death is midi music and putting groove in it is counter to where the aesthetic is at the moment.
@zaphodrahja
@zaphodrahja 9 часов назад
Hell yeah, the faster it goes the less it has.
@lifeezane3526
@lifeezane3526 8 часов назад
Do you guy realize groove isn’t everything? Like many styles simply doesn’t groove, classical music, ambient music, noise, traditional choirs… are those music bad?
@ravenmad9225
@ravenmad9225 7 часов назад
Drum machines have been around for years that can do this comedy drumming. It's ridiculous.
@JHWH213
@JHWH213 9 часов назад
Old man yells at cloud. Seems Glenn is the one who needs to get over himself.
@odhinnswrath
@odhinnswrath 8 часов назад
I think you missed the point no one is faking triggering its pretty obivous in this genre you have to trigger kick and snare. The "faking" of the videos is people claiming they are live recorded, unedited takes when they are not.
@SpectreSoundStudios
@SpectreSoundStudios 7 часов назад
I’m not the one who missed the point.
@thorstenthorben196
@thorstenthorben196 7 часов назад
@@SpectreSoundStudios hell yes you did... missed by about 20 years.
@senilodemenzi5739
@senilodemenzi5739 5 часов назад
@@SpectreSoundStudios Yes, you did, and I think you did it on purpose.
@HabAnagarek
@HabAnagarek Час назад
You don't "have to" trigger anything
@odhinnswrath
@odhinnswrath 57 минут назад
@@HabAnagarek for sure, but in the the tech death genre it's fairly common practice to achieve level sounds when hitting what amounts to ghost notes.
@Fartinhalerr
@Fartinhalerr 9 часов назад
So you consider triggers to be cheating? I mean.... how is that different from using gear to get the most out of a guitarists performance? I mean no its not an apples to apples comparison but you get my drift
@babybluesound
@babybluesound 10 часов назад
I know this video is about drums but I am so proud that I am an accidental owner of the Gotoh HB guitar Glenn has on his wall (see my profile pic). Although mine is the "robin" blue and it lost a lot of it's colour but who cares. Plays and sounds awesome. Just need to practice more.
@riangarianga
@riangarianga 2 часа назад
Aw, by accidental owner I expected to read you actually stole it or something. 😛
@RandysRides
@RandysRides 5 часов назад
I hate seeing bands that sound NOTHING like their album. May as well be Motley Crue.
@orlock20
@orlock20 2 часа назад
That's why more and more acts have people pay hundreds of dollars to hear a CD.
@GhostNoteAudio
@GhostNoteAudio 8 часов назад
I don't know, man, I have to disagree with you on htis one. I have absolutely no problem with ultra-processed music, drum triggers and all that - a lot of people like that sonic aesthetic. But I see it as something closer to beat making or EDM production, than actual musical performance. But... that's fine - nothing wrong with that, it's just a different genre of music! 🙂 Lots of people like EDM and it would be ridiculous to criticise that genre for their use of "fake drums"... drum machines are the foundation on which the genre was built! It's the same with this new wave of metal music; it's just a different musical genre, and people, by and large, happen to like it. The only thing I would possibly take issue with, is if someone meticulously edits their performance to "perfection" and tries to pass it off as a live take. That's the same as a singer being autotuned to hell and back, and trying to claim it's their natural voice. As long as people are up front and honest about it, there's absolutely zero problems. BUT - I don't think kick drum triggers fall into that category! Ever seen a live MPC finger-drumming performance? Is that "fake and bullshit" because they're just launching samples? I don't think so!
@DrMackSplackem
@DrMackSplackem Час назад
"The only thing I would possibly take issue with..." That's what I thought this video was going to be about, and now I'm just confused. I think Glen may be trolling here.
@Malegys
@Malegys 3 часа назад
NOTHING says "metal" more than a bearded Man-Bun with glasses...
@invujerry
@invujerry 3 часа назад
Lots of drumming videos have become an E-sport. I appreciate when I hear blast beats and they don’t sound just like snare rolls
@DerekFrampton
@DerekFrampton 7 часов назад
Let's get back to REAL kick drums, VS playing spoons on our knees. THAT's what it sounds like and it's annoying.
@myopicautisticmetal9035
@myopicautisticmetal9035 6 часов назад
Agreed, I play old school thrash and death metal and the fanboys hate me.
@AlexLancia
@AlexLancia 2 часа назад
You can definitely play a gravity blast pretty loud. What non drummers don't know is that it is your whole arm moving that makes that motion
@t.dizzle83
@t.dizzle83 6 часов назад
John from dying foetus and dim mak, I don’t expect any of that is bullshit… he’s insane .
@DudeMcGuybro
@DudeMcGuybro 8 часов назад
State of the art? MORE LIKE STATE OF THE FART, AM I RIGHT FELLAS?!?!?!?!?
@ledoynier3694
@ledoynier3694 6 часов назад
extreme metal kick drum : BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT my ass : BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
@SunnyHF-nf4bc
@SunnyHF-nf4bc 7 часов назад
No offense, but the issue is the lying. Nobody cares if they trigger or edit as long as they don’t lie about it. Ricardo and Lord Marco lied. They lied about it. That was the issue.
@LoveItDirtyOffroad
@LoveItDirtyOffroad 6 часов назад
I love my shitty drum playing. (We Suck As Humans)
@TheAT5000
@TheAT5000 4 часа назад
Most people would be surprised how few mics you need to get a good drum sound. My answer is 4 mics and a good player. A kick mic, a scare mic to feed in to the reverb, and then a stereo spaced pair, higher and further toward the drummer. Of course, if your drummer is hitting the cymbals hard and the drums softly, there is no hope of a good sound. (Another note, I have used this setup live, but the reason for close micing drums is to prevent bleed and feedback, so it won't work on loud stages.)
@alangreenway6695
@alangreenway6695 7 часов назад
This High BPM really takes the Heavy out of Heavy Metal. More about competitive technique than something you could tap your toe and whistle to.
@orlock20
@orlock20 2 часа назад
I thought Motorhead's Ace of Spades was fast, but it's only 140-144 bpm which is the same as Adele's Easy on Me and Let It Be by the Beatles. What makes something sound fast is more than bpm.
@UncleBlasto
@UncleBlasto 9 часов назад
Dean Lamb, please put out a video of Oli singing a few bars of Bone Force Navigator.
@pipelineaudio
@pipelineaudio 6 часов назад
Stevie T has the Guifakists, Wings of Pegasus has the vocal frauds, its funny to see the drum scammers
@myopicautisticmetal9035
@myopicautisticmetal9035 6 часов назад
It's a shame really because no one has ever said the guys can't play well, just pointing out the editing and faking some how makes us seem like we hate it or them personally, but it's just fake playing, how dare we want real talent on display.
@RonKron-x3y
@RonKron-x3y 7 часов назад
The drummer from archspire told everyone that he only uses trigger samples and he even said that he is not capable of playing those songs without axis pedals with built in triggers and his rich dad has been paying for spamming comment treads for the last 10 yrs trying to hype the band. But now the $$$ is gone 😆
@damham5689
@damham5689 Час назад
Side note. A few decades back I think it was Todd Rundgren who credited "Mac Hine" as the drummer on one of his albums.
@petrkorinek9559
@petrkorinek9559 8 часов назад
ok so to sum this up, if it sounds good, it's fake, if it sounds like shit, it's real 🤣 some of us actually spend some time tuning our drums Glenn! 😃
@sultankosmitov6293
@sultankosmitov6293 8 часов назад
Glenn, come on. Album stuff and metric fucktons of processing are one thing - sometimes the "whatever it takes" approach is the go to. That's what the studio is for, after all. But people expect all this insanely precise diarrhea of notes to be played on the stage (samples or not) and THERE ARE actual humans in the extreme genres who can pull it off. Of all people, I'd rather expect you to be the one to remember that triggered drums also need skill and precision. Especially from a drummer who's supposed to do this live. People hate the fake auditions because these players try to get views by blatantly lying.
@fat_mason
@fat_mason 7 часов назад
@@sultankosmitov6293 👏👏👏💯
@MrSchism
@MrSchism 6 часов назад
This is why I do industrial and stoner metal/desert rock. The former openly supplements with electronic and the latter is largely slower.
@BrianBower
@BrianBower 8 часов назад
As someone who makes videos, I love this. Music videos outside generally need to be mimed. I've done lots of actual playing in the room and it is tough!! Everyone should try it.
@DissonanceApproved
@DissonanceApproved 7 часов назад
Archspire, Aborted, Cattle Decapitation are some of my most beloved bands. You can't compare extreme technical modern death metal to bands like fucking steel panther and whatnot. That's like comparing steel panther and all those boomer metal bands to Acoustic Country music and saying "yeah distortion on guitars is bullshit and kills the message". I get where you're coming from and i usually agree with most of your rants, but you really missed the mark here, Glenn - because the "real ones" in these genres are still doing it for the message and not to be the "most mathematical" - i guarantee you that.
@NetherlordAxenrot
@NetherlordAxenrot 7 часов назад
💯💯💯
@DylanPwnt
@DylanPwnt 9 часов назад
John Bonham would have sucked if his beats where quantized. Groove and playing behind the beat is rarely heard anymore.
@orlock20
@orlock20 2 часа назад
I believe that is what happened when Led Zeppelin put out a series of remastered albums.
@simonrussell77
@simonrussell77 36 минут назад
And all these dudes would be cryin' to mummy if they were in the same room as him hearing the volume of his kit!
@unleashthebloodthirst69420
@unleashthebloodthirst69420 Час назад
I feel opeth has found the marriage of good technical playing, but not soulless either.
@na7h4n34
@na7h4n34 6 часов назад
What Glenn was saying about groove and songwriting is why I love Matt Halpern so much
@MrRawrgers
@MrRawrgers 2 часа назад
as a drummer, Periphery have been my favourite band ever since I saw Matt Halpern play through 22 Faces
@CoolManOfficial69
@CoolManOfficial69 9 часов назад
I’ll take a million mistakes with real drums in a song than a perfectly quantized electronic drums with constant double bass ride cymbal beats
@jeffbridges6110
@jeffbridges6110 4 часа назад
Thing about triggers , you BETTER not mess up , it's PAINFULLY obvious when you do (unless you put everything to the grid). Live , there is NO chance in hiding mistakes when using triggers. I used ddrum triggers for years until I got sick of them.
@thisdyingsoul76
@thisdyingsoul76 2 часа назад
Drumming has literally become a sport. A guy I know went to NAMM around 2009 or 2010 and entered into the World's Fastest Drummer competition. He was competing against guys like Mike Manginni of Dream Theater and Extreme fame... AND HE WON. In fact, he set a record for Fastest Feet, erasing Manginni's previous record. I will say, the speeds these guys were reaching did not make sense musically... but, as my acquaintance pointed out, if you were going to set these records, you needed two things... muscle endurance and flawless technique. I've heard him play live and seen his RU-vid channel before, and the guy is a great drummer in addition to being a literal machine. 😂😂😂
@kennethemerson5548
@kennethemerson5548 7 часов назад
As an old dude, I don’t get this extreme drumming trend. I think it takes away more than it gives. The RS and AC/DC sold more than 500M albums with simple drumming that fit the songs. The drumming nowadays equates to ego lifting in the gym.
@RandysRides
@RandysRides 5 часов назад
Tasteful extreme drumming is good, though. Neil Peart, for example. Today it's noisy speed...and one finger drop whatever tuning, and a "singer" who CAN'T sing. lmao.
@fclefjefff4041
@fclefjefff4041 5 часов назад
It’s like watching someone “shred,” which is like watching someone trying to win a hot dog eating contest
@massapower
@massapower 4 часа назад
EXACTLY.. Seriously, if they call that drumming, they can have it and will never be famous like the real DUDES, such as "SCOTT TRAVIS, NICKO McBain and so forth.... Ridiculous who can play faster. Whats the freakn' point. Not to worry, ROBOTS will be replacing these Dudes sooner then they think !! 😝 Compressorhead - Ace of Spades ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9gMX_hR-RoM.html
@devouredremains
@devouredremains 4 часа назад
Simple people love simple music. The majority of humans are simple and average. It makes perfect sense.
@orlock20
@orlock20 2 часа назад
Drum battles killed jazz as a popular genre and it's hurting metal. I side with the drummers that said good drumming required a swing beat pattern.
@redcomn
@redcomn 10 часов назад
I can gladly said I never fake my guitar video on youtube. Unlike some of my peers 😂 Edit: I have no qualms with trigger, it’s the miming of the prior recording that I have beef with. Especially if it’s just a simple cover. It is discouraging for the young audience to see the plateau that they can’t reach only to then knew it’s fake.
@SjPedro
@SjPedro 9 часов назад
i'm the same! if it sucks it's me doing all the sucking :D
@Dm3qXY
@Dm3qXY 9 часов назад
mmmm.. pears..
@getshwiftygaming447
@getshwiftygaming447 8 часов назад
if you have a beef with it you're delusional because that's how most demos and youtube playthroughs work.
@redcomn
@redcomn 2 часа назад
@@getshwiftygaming447 on layman terms this is what I truly think do I still find it’s weird in 2024 putting mimed demo in RU-vid? >Yes Mistakes are what made it humane. Obviously i would love to see a tight take. Do I think it is unnecessary for demo >No If it is a play over video with tabs I considered it educational (tho the tab kinda not accurate in some video) Does there exist people that did great demo without miming shit >Yes I’ve seen few of em in person. These people were monsters. Do I still find guitarist that still mime simple playthrough as a hack >Yes Keyword I’m implying here is simple. You know they pretend it’s just a simple track but obviously it’s edited to hell. Some even claimed their take is non edited track when it’s obviously is not tho. This is where I draw the line for mime take.
@seancarney177
@seancarney177 Час назад
this is soooo true! I can't even listen to anything over 200 BPM, cuz it's all FAKE!!
@GoldNettle
@GoldNettle 9 часов назад
Can you talk about the H910? The 1st non glitch pitch correction tool made in... wait for it..... 1974.
@MortuusMachina
@MortuusMachina 2 часа назад
I can’t wait to see Dean Lamb’s reaction to this lol
@marttituominen1859
@marttituominen1859 4 часа назад
Good old frost sounded sick as fuck even in soundchecks without gimmics.
@Mr.Goldbar
@Mr.Goldbar 9 часов назад
Triggers on the kick became the norm for the ultra technical bands in death metal and deathcore. That's just what the music and fans demand and wanna hear from what I know from friends who are fans of that kinda stuff
@AlexusDelphi
@AlexusDelphi 9 часов назад
I like playing along with tracks like those on drums as a warm up before I play other stuff. It's basically just exercising
@GregorydavidMck
@GregorydavidMck 2 часа назад
I'm an aging guitarist with a self recognized, and also much feedbacked, lack of timing. I used to play lead in metal bands (from Hair to Leather to Plaid) in the 80/90's. So, I always stood to the right of drummers so I could watch the front kick drum skin as I looked down the neck of my guitar. That way I could just nod towards the drummer and shrug. The first guy to use a double kick peddle on a single kick drum was not my friend. I got into guitar around the neck spins, jumping splits, shoulder rolls, you name it, I did it. Now, at 59yo, I can barely walk, my neck sounds like two pieces of sandpaper rubbed together and I have a bone spur the size of a pine cone growing out of the top of my right shoulder. That man is still not my friend. So that was a long way of getting around to asking for opinions on El Estepario Siberiano. Cheers all.
@7im13oiD
@7im13oiD 7 часов назад
saw spencer prewett live 6 years ago. gravity blasts were perfect and they sounded better live than the album. all of them.
@danielruiz4871
@danielruiz4871 2 часа назад
Morgan Rose of Sevendust is a monster on the drums too. Highly underrated drummer.
@MarcoPrimeau
@MarcoPrimeau 4 часа назад
You just mic the snare with a mic under the HIHat pointing away from the HiHat for rejection ;)
@DigitalChemistryBand
@DigitalChemistryBand 4 часа назад
Love Tank... been watching for years
@bassclef1686
@bassclef1686 9 часов назад
For a band that does this kind of thing and grooves I’m a huge fan of First Fragment. Their bassist changed my outlook on approaching metal bass. Someday I’ll see them live
@ThatBeTheQuestion
@ThatBeTheQuestion 28 минут назад
Here's hoping Kevin wins the audition. He deserves it.
@21sungalute.42
@21sungalute.42 6 часов назад
Just wait until AI gets a proper foothold.
@chaosreaper9255
@chaosreaper9255 32 минуты назад
Metal became more and more safe for the overly-sensitive newbies. I miss the days when metal music was powerful, scary, and 100% rebellious against the Norm, the kind of music that would piss off normal people so easily.
@joetrollson
@joetrollson 7 часов назад
Quickly everyone thinks you're "missing the point"... cute.
@JustPlayingBass
@JustPlayingBass 6 часов назад
Excellent video Glenn. The same happens in the bass world, especially within the slap frat. Some of those players are huge technically, but musically..nope Soulless...absolutely.
@Goosebear77
@Goosebear77 3 часа назад
Reading Drummers arguing in the comments if so much fun. * plugs in guitar and plays face melters * 😁😉
@RobGamesNZ
@RobGamesNZ 7 часов назад
I think the thing is, if its sounds good to the band, then all good. Noone elses voice or opinion should matter, dont like it, dont listen.
@Bandguy333415
@Bandguy333415 5 часов назад
Oh we just poking the bear today I see today.
@lotsapasta0858
@lotsapasta0858 8 часов назад
Archspire are really talented guys but yeah I've kinda noticed over the time that alot of extreme metal drumming isn't always a 100 percent raw performance on the drums. The samples are kinda necessary when playing at these super high speeds but nontheless you're still not hearing a 100 percent authentic performance
@nathanielmabis5803
@nathanielmabis5803 2 часа назад
Modern metal drumming is one of the big things that broke up the last band I was in earlier this year. They brought in and outside drummer who was besties with the vocalist, dude was from a much more modern style metal background and basically turned our band into deathcore garbage. Non-stop blast beats and everything hooked up to drum triggers and a massive, unnecessary PA that drowned out all the other instruments and made us all deaf. The music I do now is the complete opposite and I don't miss that band at all
@eamonahern7495
@eamonahern7495 4 часа назад
I like Archspire. They're one of my favourite bands. I saw them live in Dublin in March of last year. Spencer is a phenomenal drummer and I'm sad he's gone from the band. He was always transparent about using triggers and heel toe technique on the bass drums. He actually fills them to keep them muffled. The band plays to a click track in their in-ears to stay tight live. The vocalist Oli is the technical death metal version of a stand-up comedian. I get what you're saying about time alignment and quantizing. But I got over that because they're a fun band with personality and what they play is better than listening to guys chugging away at the low strings and not going passed the 5th fret. Edit: Dave Lombardo is my favourite drummer of all time though.
@kleinkaufman8940
@kleinkaufman8940 7 часов назад
This kind of reminds me of videos and shorts of people singing in a kitchen or a car with someone where they supposedly just magically and spontaneously fell in tune or harmonized then started singing but the audio track is clearly not what was captured in the video, but a heavily edited, auto tuned, compressed track of voices clearly added in post. This might not be like that at all, but it surely reminded me of it.
@orlock20
@orlock20 2 часа назад
This is happening with vocals and every instrument on RU-vid. The trouble is that highly paid acts are doing the same thing at concert. People are paying hundreds of dollars to see an act play a CD.
@riangarianga
@riangarianga Час назад
That's the true history of live albums, they replaced instruments all the time.
@johnterpack3940
@johnterpack3940 59 минут назад
So glad to see that "world's state of the art speed metal band" tagline again. Megadeth was never a thrash band. Today, they're not even speed metal... more like an edgier version of Nightwish.
@matthewotremba9230
@matthewotremba9230 Час назад
I am pretty good , heel toe both feet Jumped in with a metal band at my rehearsal place Thought i was whipping good And the girl vocalist from Machinist said It was good if we played speed jazz I was crushed
@AlexLancia
@AlexLancia 2 часа назад
Just my 2 cents.....this whole epidemic lol started with guitarists using programmed drums incessently with pre production of albums. Yes it is a useful tool for songwriting but i really believe this conditioned people to think "thats how it should sound"
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