Fake vs Real Damascus Steel & Reviewing the Sitivien ST401 Damascus Folding Knife 

Been a knife collector and do custom anodizing work at my house. I love damasteel and Damascus; but absolutely hate companies that seem as if they they have a knife containing Damascus and it’s fake... way to go on going toe to toe with a company. I own about 10 Damascus knives currently but have owned over 50 over the years and roughly 3 years ago I caught my first fake Damascus blade as well... I do exactly what you did when I get a Damascus knife which is compare pictures to my blade! Unless you somehow got the knife in the picture; they’re never the same! Keep up the awesome content and thank you for your service! 🇺🇸

The pattern on the Chinese blade looks like real Damascus right away, it’s not perfectly uniform like the Tekto.

This video was very educational, and i was able to figure out that my Damascus blade is real from a fake. If its not too much trouble to ask, can you tell if a Black bone handle of a knife is a real thing like someone burn and shaped it or dye the handle after ti was shaped, or is it just plastic?

I'm just about to order a Sitivien damascus knife, with wood handles (ST222). They seem pretty decently made for the price, interesting designs. That VG10 core damascus stock is pretty common nowadays.

where can buy it? can't find it on Amazon.

What's the link for the real one on Amazon?

Great information. I really like cutlery lover and was surprised about his first review, but really enjoyed his follow up. - Thank You for the Damascus information, I found it very informative. I did know that each Damascus blade should be different and not identical. I will be the first to admit that I know very little about steels. I think I’m gonna put together a little quick reference guide for myself, just so I know what I’m dealing with. And as always great review of the inexpensive Damascus knife from Amazon, you actually made me want to go buy it lol.

I'm no Smith but I love knife swords etc. I recently found a company that seems to make decent knives some are made out of D2 tool steel, some are made out of railroad spikes which if I remember correctly is 45 carbon steel and some of them have more modern Damascus or pattern water whatever you want to call it made out of 1095 and 15n20. They make simple old-fashioned style folding knives which I have some in D2 tool steel they seem pretty nice and then I recently got in one of their hunting camping tracking etcetera kind of nice that was made out of their Damascus which based on what I just learned in this video is probably production Damascus based on the price but I do actually think it's real Damascus and not a printed on thing because the other thing I also looked at was the photos of similar nice to see if the patterns were the same on the blades when zooming in and they looked very different so now I am more sure about my purchase of an inexpensive Damascus knife. Thank you for giving me more information and reassuring the things that I thought I had heard along the way.

Love this. Educating the masses to make a more informed consumer. Great job.

I feel like it is some what real damascus, I mean this may very much be pattern welded steel cut up into smaller billets to the ride thickness, then shaped either on a cnc or on some grinder. If you look at the spine, the pattern kinda matches what is presented on the faces of the knives, and the presence of sandwich steels arent to rare to see (not sure about 2 years back) But if they are going to go through the efforts of laser ingrave two faces of the steel as well as the spine then idk how they are making money. In addition to the inaccuracies that a laser etcher due to the quantity of knives that they put out daily. Who knows, China always use some mysterious steel no one knows about.

Im new to the knife community thus new to your channel (love it btw, your hands down my fav knife channel) but youve mentioned 'your shop' in many videos, may I ask what shop? Do you own a knife type of shop? Sorry, kind of random question.

Thank you for saying that! NO TWO DAMASCUS PATTERNS ARE THE SAME! Just ordered this blade so I can do my review and further back your statements

I saw a video where someone was shipped a knife with no correspondence in it from BattlBox with a fixed blade. Are they maybe, replacing the knife in box 83? Anyone else seen this?

Damascus designs are as unique as your fingerprint.

Torenz Damascus polished folding knife?? Real or fake??

And they more than likely polish the knife with a light abrasive that removes the softer steel quicker than the harder carbon steel. Think some kind of polish on a material that can push into the “crevices” formed by the soft steel

So glad you brpught up woots Steele , most ppl dont have a clue about the history of it , the one company left in the world in japan that makes real Katnas folda that metal thousands fo times and layers. Glad youa re educating people on this, If you dont have background in matealergy most peole will be fooled .keep up the good work Bro

core damascus uses 3 types of steel , the core is one type of steel usually a tool steel of some type with 2 slabs of damascus forge welded to each side so when you grind it to produce a edge the tool steel is always the steel the knife edge is using and the slabs on the side are there for beauty only . True damascus steel is a hi carbon steel mixed with low carbon steel and folded many times - with no core metal in the center it is forge welded to.

what can anyone tell me about Momin Edge Demascus blades?

Aside from just lack of funds to do so this whole situation is exactly why I haven't (and don't plan to) do one of those subscription box things. It just seems like unfortunately they put in a lot of overpriced trash or in this case outright rip people off and work with sketchy companies to do so.

Thank you for the video. I’m trying to see if my Damascus wedding ring is a fake

Wow Doc!!! Kudo's to you!!!! idnt realize you were so up on you history of metaurgy!!! Great explanation of it amd why you can find it somewhat cheaply. Still love you calling out the bullshitters!!!!

Twisting the billet while forging gives another type of pattern.

Can't you do two different stainless to?

With being a core of VG10, is this truly Damascus? Wouldn't this be SanMai? In any regards, nothing wrong or bad about it and does allow the presence of a beautiful Damascus pattern sandwiched over a good steel but not what I would classify as Damascus.

I was watching this waiting to get ticked until you clarified the wootz vs pattern welded steel. It was a “whew” moment I get so tired of pattern steel being labeled Damascus

Watch basically any episode of forged in fire and at least one of them will do some type of Damascus blade it’s a decent crash course into how it’s made.

Doc, you aren't talking Greek, but you talking to Greeks when it comes to folks that want to argue about Damascus...bahhaha. I just made that up and I found it hilarious 😂.

It to mention 440 stacked will create a horrid pattern. You need two different steels to make modern Damascus. High carbon on high carbon really won’t work

beautiful knife

Doc every blade is an individual as youve proven. Have you heard back from battlebox or the knife manufacturer regarding seeing that knife elsewhere. Stuart Palmer Adelaide Sth Australia

Well...you do sweat on blades when forging, but it sizzles away

I might buy it to flex on my friends

That box is giving me canku flashbacks 🤟

The only real trademark Damascus on the market would be damasteel and Damacore. Not that there isn't good Damascus on the market. Civivi makes a decent 9Cr based Damascus. I would say to do a little research usually the better companies tell you what's in their Damascus. Im not a fan of it as I would rather have a better single upgraded steel than have something that looks pretty and pay the same price or a premium for it. Ex: civivi elementum 9cr based Damascus $100 but in 14C28N (a better steel) is only $66 (rough values online). but there are those that value the aesthetic over the performance and that is a choice. Try to stay away from Damascus that is not from a good company is all. And on the Sitivien knives I don't personally own any but heard from many reviewers that they are ok and their quality is good for what you pay I will definately be checking some out in the near future though hopefully. Thanks for the great vid Doc and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.

All you need is a fine metal scraper who can scrape 1000”s of inches and scrape both and find out what is underneath. I worked in the manufacturing of industrial machinery were the the rails and tables had to be scraped in. With the knives it would be a two minute job.

I bought a Benkey with the vg10 core. Yo... laser sharp!

Cookie dough 🍪 quality ingredients, wholesome taste, more than one way to skin a cat, I think this is all about money, like car parts, buy from a dealer at a premium & from an importer for a lot less with the same manufacturers numbers on it, worked in the auto industry back in the 80's chasing parts for friends 🍻

You want a carbon steel and a steel with a higher nickel content... Such as 1084 and 15n20... But the steels whichever you choose has to have a similar heat treat schedule...

I really doubt they did a San mai for a cheap production model, and that’s one hell of a hamon if they ever claim it

Sitivien damascus is VG10 & 10CR15MOV

I understand what you are saying about wootz being lost in how it’s made but there are some who have found out how to make it and have the beautiful Damascus look. This link is a video of a blacksmith in Florida figuring out how to make wootz. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OP8PCkcBZU4.html

Where’s a good place to buy a genuine Damascus blade?

Just because it’s made in a production run it doesn’t mean it’s fake Never mind you literally just said this I’ll wait to the end

With cable damascus, it's all the same steel, but you get a pattern. I don't know why

1 min ago... ok YT, thanks for that for once usefull recommend.

Not everyone can afford them hight dollar knives so I am all for the cheaper way to make it.

What’s up man how’s it going today what’s happening

Another drama Llama adventure brought to you by DocP. Thank you again for taking the time to explain and debunk the douche canoes.

If you are going to give that Damascus knife away ill be in Stuart Palmer Adelaide Sth Australia

He's a Big name (w/sausage fingers) of doin' nothing...!

I have no problem with production damascus. If it's properly heat treated, and they don't try to pass it of as handmade. Two Fingers Knives gets blanks of production damascus and shape and heat treat their own designs.

Damn your really going in on them I love how they said our otf knives are made of top quality well my guy this isn't a otf knife so what's your excuse now!!!!

Did BB really offer the same piece of garbage as recompense????

I just tell people it's like smashing together multi colored playdoh....

I'm not sure either of them are real Damascus.

Seems to me they shouldn’t be allowed to call it demascus.

Battlbox tried to get me to sign back up and would give me this knife for free I replied give me a TOPS B.O.B. And I might 😂 only back in the day ...

Mines just for killing zombies so I’m pretty sure they can’t tell the difference

4 minutes in... still waiting.... get to the god damn point!

Look doc let's get you your knife smith and master knife smith and master armor so we can shut up or put up battlbox boys oh Brandon current is my cuz

damn you talked to much arround... get to the point!

You could have made that video 8 mins long if you didnt talk like that. Geeze, had me almost sweating with annoyance 😂

Just cut the blade in half...

Waffle waffle 😂

Dude just get to the point

If you wanna get technical then no real Damascus exists beyond relics in museums and private high dollar collections because it’s a lost art. At these price points there’s really no reason to complain, I can understand if your spending $500+, but for less than $100? That’s just being picky because people want to bitch about something for no reason.