Fall Guys is Fundamentally Flawed 

They actually just recently reduced the lobby total to 32 and added an endless custom level mode which is probably the most fun part of the game

In all fairness, Mediatonic started focusing heavily on custom levels because *Epic laid off all their level designers.* It’s unfortunate, but it’s being done out of necessity, not pure laziness. With the game not being as popular now, they aren’t exactly making the money to hire new level designers, that’s why the old ones got laid off in the first place.

creator of the Dual Climb map you featured in the video here. I’m actually genuinely surprised at how well researched this video is for someone who doesn’t play this game often, people mainly view fall guys in the same way it was 4 or so years ago when it isn’t that game anymore. every point you made in this video I agree with, Mediatonic vault maps because they have glaring issues that detriment the core idea of the level, they then keep the level rotting in the vault un-maintained and potentially breaking them even more, only to bring them back with the same glaring issues that they vaulted them for originally (I’m mainly talking about The Slimescraper and Royal Fumble here, but this applies to a load more maps) Epic Games laid off all the senior level designers, leaving only a few junior level designers to follow in the footsteps of official maps using a shoddy and limited tool, leading to the disastrous launch of season 10, and the eventual discontinuation of seasons along with having the community fill in for the workforce lost with the layoff. Fall Guys can never return to the way it used to be with unique hand-crafted rounds every so often, and as a result it has just turned into a glorified Super Mario Maker with no real incentive to play and no good way to discover levels. I play this game competitively and that’s the only reason I feel compelled to play. I’ve finished the crown ranks and have 6000 crowns - there’s nothing to play for anymore and i don’t feel rewarded, which a ton of the main player base that have stuck with the game since FFA or even launch like me just don’t have a reason to play. This is just me adding on to what you’ve already said in the video contributing my perspective. This game is doomed to fail at some point and I don’t want to see that happen even though that’s the direction that we’re headed

As a Fall Guys player, this has to be the most accurate video about this topic I've ever seen. A lot of stuff you mentioned in the video is definitely a consequence of the lay-offs that happened last year, however the decision of fully focusing on the level editor was probably intentional and now that mediatonic is left with very few employees, it would be impossible for them to go back to making levels like how they used to..

I wish the bean game hadn’t been mishandled so badly, genuinely one of my favorite games

as someone who used to play this game, quit when they removed seasons, and havent even looked at the game since, i can confirm that im sad about the current state of this game

0:05 fundamentally flaud lol

Be a dev for fall guys- Release art of the characters bone structure- Everyone suddenly hate the game and leaves it to die- Get depression-

Danerade continues the trend of talking about games that nobody cares about anymore.

“Fall guys I fundamentally flaud”

I guess Multiversus is the next on the list

(THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG COMMENT SO GET READY!) I opened youtube just to play a video on the background while i was playing fall guys coincidentally, and stumbled upon this video I decided to watch this because i really enjoy the videos you make, they are very well researched and i honestly see them multiple times, so i gave this one a shot And yea, this is a great video, explaining the flaws with a game i personally love to play while feeling really professional and someone that did a ton of research I also wanted to add some more context behind as why does fall guys have those said issues, this coming from a person who played fall guys ever since it came out and still plays it to this day, completed the crown ranks and finished almost all of the battle passes, and actually had a level in the core shows, so I've been through a lot with this silly bean game PACING OF THE GAME I feel like why fall guys is a slow game is more to how casual the nature of the game is, and i get that. The game obviously goes for a more casual and beginner friendly players, which most of the minigames being easy and making players take their time (excluding skill based matchmaking but you get the point) Unfortunately i feel like a lot could have been done to make the game easy faster, like making some of the easy survivals harder (examples: big shots cannons being more threatening overtime or the water in blastlantis rising earlier that it should), and making the load times faster Surprisingly, this is one of the issues they planned to fix in one of their roadmaps, to hopefully make the pacing between rounds a lot better VAULTING/LACK OF MINIGAMES So let's talk about the main issue with modern fall guys So to give it a context, before ss2 (or let's say, the second free for all season), fall guys never had a system where they would remove levels for the sake of a more refreshing roundpool. Now they did removed levels in the past, but that was mainly due to issues. Case in point: Thin ice was unfortunately removed for the entirety of legacy season 6 due to an exploit where low ping players couldn't break the tiles, basically having an instant win Now, after the free for all season, vaulting was this game's demise. As season 2 free for all continued, many maps had to be removed from the game due to game breaking issues. It clearly showed that the season was not playtested, and unfortunately completely changed how should mediatonic focus on the game. It also doesn't help that this game has a very messy spaghetti code, so that's awesome The vaulting would continue into the next season, season 3 free for all. As you said, in concept, vaulting was a good idea, making levels refresh and experience something different. In practice, it was the worst thing ever made, considering how season 3 free for all lasted for 5 MONTHS WITH ONLY 40 MAPS IN THE GAME,BASICALLY HALF OF THE LEVELS AVAILABLE. Vaulting still exists in the game as of now, however less of an issue. The game has 81 unity levels, with around 20 being removed as of now Fortunately, they are also bringing them back, which as recently as some... Team levels (uhhhhhh), but they will eventually bring more maps back as stated in the roadmap they put out recently CREATIVE FOCUS This is by far the elephant in the room, as it completely shifted the game's direction So after season 3 free for all, which lasted for 5 months and is claimed as the worst season in fall guys, mediatonic would release season 4 free for all, alongside with fall guys creative This was cool, being able to build your own levels and play other ones. However this came at a cost, which mediatonic officially stating that future maps made down the line were made in that same editor Which was unfortunately a massive downgrade, considering how at launch, creative was way more limited with a very limiting budget and high price for stuff you put in the editor, no overlapping objects, and not worth it shifting for the high quality alternative that was unity. I want to keep in mind this: Unity levels - levels made in the unity engine Creative levels - levels made in fall guys creative But, why did i brought creative into the table? Well, it's because of what i said before: vaulting The issues in the game were so bad that mediatonic went in panic mode and had to quickly shift the game into a different direction, to hopefully bring more content to the players, while making sure a disaster like vaulting wouldn't happen again, and that was the point with creative, where if there was a huge flaw, they could fix it instantly However... Creative was not very well received in the core shows, especially on how bad the creative levels were at the time of season 4 free for all, at least comparing to the unity counterparts. The levels were fine by themselves, but after losing unity levels for very bland levels, it was shown that creative put a very sour taste in people's mouths One of the weirdest things about creative was that it was supported to be a side mode, because there was leaks that there would be unity levels, but probably had to be scrapped last minute due to the shift of the game Also, in last september 2023, mediatonic was unfortunately hit by a massive lay off by epic games, and sadly the same level designers that worked on the best levels that the community considered were affected by those So unfortunately, mediatonic has no choice but to stay with creative as of now. It's a more underpowered tool compared to unity, but unfortunately it's their only option as to avoid long content droughts as there used to be in season 3 and 4 free for all This would lead up to mediatonic stopping with seasons, and instead focus on more frequent updates to bring more players back more frequently, but at the same time having to rely on creative to maintain the game They tried with knockout, a mode that combined both the refresh roundpool idea and mixing with creative levels, now being more advanced to what they were last year (also i got a level there so that was awesome) But as expected, it received so many backlash that mediatonic went back and fixed the mode, for then a week later to make it a separate mode alongside with classic modes. At least they tried to innovate i guess One last thing i wanted to bring is that there are rumors of a mobile port for fall guys, to potentially compete with stumble guys (a similar game like fall guys, but with worse controls, pay to win mechanics and a very unpolished game that felt like a very cheap game trying to cash in on the fall guys trend) So, this ended up being a super long comment than i was expecting LMAO But in summary, a lot of the issues you mentioned had more behind the scenes i wanted to bring up, with unfortunately due to most likely production hell during of what happened in the past few years If i have to say, both mediatonic and epic made this game as it is, with mediatonic not being able to patch the game to avoid big issues while having to resort to a more underpowered level engine, and epic due to the layoffs which made things worse and how they wanted to push fall guys to a live service game than an indie game like party animals (funny how that compares to what happened to the plants vs zombies franchise, on how both popcap and ea were part of the demise of it) In the end, fall guys is still a product of quality, you can still pick it up if you're new and still have fun on it (the game is also free so there's nothing to lose). I do recommend you go for an open mind, especially to creative. Some people might not like it, but who knows, maybe you might like creative levels and have fun with them With that out of the way, it was so amazing losing 1 hour of my life to write this comment for this silly yet amazing video1!1!1!11!!11!

My steam version of fall guys with 100% achievement completion is my memento of the greatness that was old fall guys

15:04 Hell nah, gatorade done turned into spugbop💀

Creative isn't saving Fall Guys, it's just killing it slowly. Seeing new seasons and new themes made players excited to play the game. Still hoping them to do something about it, but I don't think they will. I agree with almost everything you said

This video is funny as hell and well made for sure ☠ A few things I disagree with, just because I play this shit every day damn near: - The issue with number of rounds -- Creative Mode & Knockout is starting to remedy that issue. (Knockout refreshes every month or so (((which is still not enough, but yeah)))))) - The annoyance with cosmetics being pushed, because the alternative is P2W Emotes or abilities like Stumble Guys. The last thing this game needs is to put skill gap behind a paywall imo. The only reason you could have the crowns currency for the shop is because the game itself costed money. (different source of revenue) Everything else is a fair criticism though, great video man 🔥

I remember how bored of the game I was, but I struggled through it to get Hatsune Miku, just to drop the game after. I hate feeling this way about Fall Guys since it's not really a bad game, but there's enough flaws that I don't have fun playing.

Fall guys messed up by having similar but not actually like sm64 movement. It caps the skill ceiling with stage and obstacle knowledge, rather than mechanical skill.

I remember when they praised how many variations of older maps they made. Those were really fun. It was also around the time Epic Games was looking at their direction, THINKING about getting their mits on them. ....and then legacy season six happened.

I am an OG Fall Guys player, I remember legacy season 1, how the game was very popular and eventually died. But to a casual player like me Fall Guys was still fun with new skins and rounds but after Epic Games bought Fall Guys everything changed. New skins are now behind a paywall, old rounds are now vaulted for no reason, there were no good updates lately and now the game is TRULY dead. Legacy seasons were the best. I was excited for every new legacy season back then, for new skins that you can ACTUALLY get for FREE. I love legacy fall guys, but I hate new fall guys

I have to bring up the only thing that seems lacking research. Hangout levels. Yeah, it might seem like a weird concept. But the answer to "Who is gonna go Guys! Jump into the Fall Guys Hangout lobby I made!" is a LOT of people, specially noticeable in the Asian side of the community which is pretty sizeable (a lot of Fall Guys Merchandise is Japan exclusive). The whole concept of emote parties, which occur daily and from both level creators, content creators, and streamers, is BIG. Celebrating birthdays, releases, creative levels, or just because they want to, you know, hang out.

i can't believe there's a typo not even 10 seconds in ("fundamentally flaUD"?)

Exactly! I remember when the game blew up, and I immediately knew that it would only be popular for 2 weeks. It was exactly 2 weeks later when everyone stopped talking about it lmao

Its ironic how devs copy fortnite but don't actual get that fortnite worked up to the point it is now. They're trying to skip step 2 without realising that its what leads to step3 aka profit.

This game had so much potential to be a multi billion dollar franchise but its plagued with the awful devs and community managers. Horrible Management and neglect killed this game off.

I really have a big heart for this game. They used to have 100s of level variation that added a ton of replayability, but they removed all if them because of complications

Well if it’s so flawed then explain how did they get a movie? The 2024 Movie Fall Guy!? Yeah explain that paper bowser guy.

11:03 TF2 be like

This game is very similar to multiversus, once the most popular game on social media then dies in at least a month or two. Gets revived for its first season and then dies again lol

It's geniunely sad the direction Fall Guys went into. This video geniunely describes well what gripes I have with Fall Guys (I don't mind the pacing buttt it could be better) I woke up stupid early on F2P launch day just to play and I loved it, and got addicted. But now it's sorta lost what's made it Fall Guys to me and now I spend most of my time playing other games. Ironically I've started to enjoy Fortnite more because truthfully, it does a far better job at separating UGC and Official content. I do not hate Fall Guys, I just am discontent with what it's become... corporate slop.

Worst moves by them: 1. Vaulting so many levels and keeping horrible games in rotation 2. Smaller lobbies. So every episode is way more predictable. And many games are very unlikely to come up because it needs a specific number of squads to remain 3. Lack of variants/not challenging enough. Whirlygig, roll off, and hit party are examples where there is no skill involved

As a fall guys player I can say that this video was actually pretty good compared to other fall guys rise and fall videos just stating "fall guys was developed by mediatonic and devolver digital but then among us came in and killed it". When it's fun IT IS FUN but currently with no new updates at the moment it's feeling really stale along with the fact they decided to stop limited time modes for some reason and stopping live events. Though I still keep playing daily because it is a game I love (and poured way too many hours for me to just stop)

14:44 Flaud??? I caught you Danerade, I CAUGHT YOU. You really thought I wouldn't notice your (flaud) spelling?

I 100% agree. I came back to the game after 2 YEARS AND THERES NO NEW MAPS LMAO. i dont get their obsession with creative

The introduction of premium currency making crowns completely useless was the death sentence of the game imo

0:05 L spelled flawed wrong on screen

at first I thought this would be an ignorant rant, but I was surprised to see the research that was put into this video and I actually agree with pretty much all these points💀

the biggest issue with the game was trying to make a casual game and then hiding all the good rewards behind winning. ruined the whole point

The typo in the actual video is insane

I like the Bowser PNG!

Great video! One thing I want to point out is that yes, Mediatonic decided to vault ~38 levels from the game, which sounds already horrible enough on the surface. But, what if I told you that the amount of content taken away was MUCH more? Fall Guys levels have a thing called "variations": each time you get a round, some rounds have the chance of having a different layout; effectively increasing the variety by double, even triple since each minigame would have a twist. Here's the thing with the vaulting... not ONLY did they vault 38 levels, they vaulted MANY of the different variations in the existing levels as well! So you'd think "only" 50% of game content was vaulted (this game has stooped so low that I had to include "only" lol), but in reality, it was MUCH more with the vaulted variations as well.

Last time develolpers did a map was on november 2022 btw

This reminds me if party animals, which I do play time to time, and one of my main gripes is how inconsistent it feels. I shouldn’t lose because I got knocked out in the literal first second of the game with no way to react

I've played the game a few weeks after it launch and still played this game to this day. I've gotten to some of its loading time and even I wish more rounds would be unvalted. Overall, one of my top favorite games for me. ❤

About that Mario Party Superstars comparison. While there are many mini games that it is hard to get repeats. Not all of 100 mini games can be played during the party mode. So saying that you can get any mini game is not true.

Man I miss those 2020 times when fall guys were so fun and popular hope these times will make comeback soon

A game that really does user generated content correctly would be geometry dash, it isn’t pushing it in your face. But in the long wait times for things like 2.2 the community just took over and it was great.

Even if the current state of the game isn't perfect, it's still much better than was it was back in 2020. I still play Fall Guys a lot and it's always fun (also the soundtrack absolutly slaps)

2:15 can't you switch who you are viewing though?

By far the biggest problem is the fact that they vaulted so many games. The game would immediately become 100 times better if they just unvaulted everything and made all the rounds roughly as common as each other.

I’m surprised there was no mention of the explore gamemode, as it definitely helps a lot if you hate long waiting periods.

Fall guys is fundamentally flawed

Yeh play the explore playlist and the waiting is not as bad and there are loads of custom maps made within that playlist. Weird how u didn’t talk about that lol

wait till he probably makes a documentary about angry birds or some other video game series that was at one point popular.

a thing that i kinda disliked about the game is that before the epic games thing it did a crossover with spelunky 2 and you had to get crows to buy the outfit for the game but it was impossible to get crowns and i think since then that outfit has never returned :/

Even when I played the game after the update to have community maps in rotation, I STILL got those repeats within maybe an hour or two of playing. It just doesn't provide an actual challenge/variation for me, personally. Although the vaulting would explain the entire lack of Team games. Got Tail Tag a bunch, as per usual. The volleyball map was a fun one at least.

I miss the era when fall guys knock out city and multiversus was fun and alive

This guy did not even watch his video before posting. 💀 “Flaud” is absolutely insane.

Ah the fall of fall guys

I don’t think the delays are that bad. The loading times and camera pans are only a minute or so, and they have to make you wait for other people to finish because it’s an online game; the problem with people being AFK has been fixed; the game kicks you if you don’t touch the controls for 30 seconds. Playing the same games repeatedly adds to my experience because you can learn to master them. Like many games, it’s easy to pick up and play but tricky to master. I don’t think you need to play many different games for it to be interesting; you need a few that you can learn to get good at. There are also other modes, some of which users have made games, like Mario Maker. Tip Toe is fun because the fake tiles shake, so you can figure out which tiles are real if you pay attention. There are different versions of Block Party; the harder version they introduced is pretty intense. But, oddly, the older version is still in the game because that version is dull. Big Shots is a dull game, I agree. I never like the “ it sucks since you can win by doing nothing” argument, because you are the one who chooses to do nothing; if you think it’s boring doing nothing, then do something. Also, how were you not kicked for not touching the controls? I don't understand your comparison with Fortnight; it's a very different game, so clearly, the games and who they appeal to will be different. I don’t give a monkey about the in-game currency or the skins. I play the game. Wait, you were moaning before about there not being enough variety of games, and now there’s an unlimited number of games to play. You’re moaning that they just aren’t as good!? I don’t want to sound cynical, but it’s like the game can’t win with you. By the way, did you keep seeing the same one? Man, I wish I had that problem! Don't play the more casual maps if you don’t get the point. There are tons of other modes. If you want to talk about something pointless in the game, how about fixed chat messages you can send now? Wow, now I can say “over here” or “I need help” to everyone in the game. Isn’t that useful? Again, this is a tangent about Fortnight; it’s a different game; why are you comparing the two? The bottom line is that I don’t think the waiting is that bad, and I definitely feel there is enough variety in the different modes and creator-made levels.

The clone of Fall Guys (Stumble Guys) surely made a clone and stole of popularity. 1000%

Very well made and explains every problem everyone has with fall guys that most people dont even notice thats their issue. People say that "its not fun anymore" but you do well explaining WHY its not fun anymore. Good work Danerade!

If Fall Guys has a million fans, I’m one of them. If Fall Guys has five fans, I am one of them. If Fall Guys has one fan, that one is me. If Fall Guys has no fans, I am no longer alive. If the world is against Fall Guys, I am against the world. Til my last breath, I’ll support Fall Guys.

The Virgin Downfall of Plants VS Zombies VS The Chad Downfall of Fall Guys

i think minigame games need like an overarching progression to really last, like mario party has the board game built on top of it which gives encouragement to players to continue along with all the minigames being shorter and to the point. Most of these minigame battle royales ive seen kinda just die out quickly because theres no incentive or draw, its hard to play and most people just want to play these kind of thing with friends anyway not a bunch of strangers, it makes it take longer and its not fun to watch strangers struggle its fun to watch your friends strruggle. the other people dont matter at all it may as well just be ai it provides the same entertainment value

I just leave this comment here to see if i find fall guys community members

What about the summer roadmap for 2024?

-32 players -vaults -mobile ass gen z physics -no seasons

I tried to play this again for a few months with my boyfriend and we ended up quitting right before it went full creative mode and they stopped caring. Also I don't know how it went so long with such awful feeling controls and random feeling physics,. It's just not fun to play and that disappointed me greatly because I was so excited to play via my brothers psn account a few years back and never fully enjoyed it like I think I should have.

Call guys has its flaws but anyone hesitant should know it’s still a great time. I don’t really like solos, but playing duos or squads with friends or family is amazing. I still love this game.

If I had a nickel for every time an insanely popular multiplayer game had its studio bought out by Epic Games and was later ran into the ground by greedy out-of-touch executives, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

game was so fun god they really had something good going for like a month after it went free to play then they butchered it

Eyyy, saw your 3 hour long pvz vid. Good work boiii

I'm surprised not seeing a comparison to a very similar game of the genre that does it better: Party Animals 🤔

I am one of the Five Falling Guy’s remaining

So glad they fixed the loading times in the latest update. Always loved this game, still do!

I can't believe that this is happening, my favourite game is still remembered #unvaultfallguys 8:08 But almost no one plays Among Us anyways

Tried getting it on Switch. Needed account info I don't remember and understand. Then I gave up.

I used to be a really regular Fall Guys player, but fell off the bandwagon during the Vaulting phase. Not only did they vault half the rounds (some of which were only around for one week), but they made sure some of the worst maps remained in every. single. week. After seeing Door Dash appear in 50% of the games and hearing that the round pool would become stale for 2 weeks I just couldn't keep playing. Fall Guys NEEDED a big pool of rounds with lots of variants, otherwise there's no reason to log in every day. Buggy is better than boring.

I have 650+ hours in this game and I barely even log on anymore to complete my daily quests, they have just been constantly dumbing down and gutting the game. They vaulted almost all of the dev-made rounds so you're forced to play the same ~10 or so creative mode races with a couple of the survival rounds that weren't vaulted.

funny enough, i can guarantee theres some fall guys youtubers that resorted to posting brain rot roblox bc the game died so much

5:30 the reason being they removed team games from solos

okay thats cool and all but how would you fix fall guys

I honestly think thats why they added the new explore game mode that allows you to play back to back levels at an extremly quick pace

The reason fall guys died is cuz you can’t troll people. And the actual gameplay loop gets boring after 30 minutes. Even at its peak the game was dog

I’m looking at the initial list of vaulted rounds, HOW THE FUCK DID THEY VAULT FALL MOUNTAIN??!!!???!?!?!?

fall guys felt like a free game you'd play for 20 minutes as a joke. not a full AAA game yes, I know it's free now. I bought it. I see it as a paid game and nothing will ever change that.

zero exozoots in 20 xenowarps bro zooped off

video desc sums it up

You should really talk about ULTRAKILL, yeah ik video essays about how good it is is very common to see but i just want to see you cover it in general

This was one of those games where I knew it was going to blow up. I immediately jumped on it during release day and enjoyed my time. It was the ideal game to play with any type of person because it was so easy to pick up. Then slowly they started doing all these things that was not received well by the community. I was on this game every single day and it wasn't until recent months that I've finally stopped playing. So did a lot of the people I used to play this game with. We just left and I haven't looked back. I thank the game for it's time and funny moments.

Is there a lore reason you forgot how to spell "flawed" when editing the video?

What could be the best thing that they could do to RISE the game more than ever?

It also fell off because of stumbled guys.

i totally agree with this video, as a person who's played fall guys since FFA, i know this game's ups and downs. and, yeah, i agree that the loading times are extremely slow DESPITE epic/mt saying that "loading times will be improved". i don't feel a difference to the loading times at all. also what i find weird is that over the past couple months, fall guys has been making the game "more beginner friendly" to grab ppl's attention again. they added "tips" to the loading screens, which SUCK and says useless crap like "press a to jump" or "get kudos by playing games" or stuff like that. like bro WE'RE NOT *THAT* STUPID!! and another thing they added is when you open the game, it shows you how to earn currency. oh can things get even worse? i guess so. since they stopped doing seasons in september, the game has not been the same anymore. whenever fall guys gets a new update nowadays, only the die hard fans would care. like, fall forever is cool and all, but would anyone outside of the fandom even know what was going on? i REALLY doubt it. but back then, the season trailers and leaks would bring so much hype! it was so much fun getting to play the new rounds for the first time! and everyone was trying to speedrun levels! and i understand that fall guys wanted a more refreshing experience by updating the game every month or so. i really do get that. but... it's just not the same anymore..... i want the old fall guys back.

Game fell off harder than I did on my bike as a kid 💀💀💀

Another random thing I want to say with the release of the mobile version; I've noticed that mobile players are at a huge disadvantage because of the controls and it's sad to see... I've won solo games and lost squad games because the other players were on mobile whilst I was on PC. Although this is a problem with a lot of cross platform games like Minecraft Bedrock's pvp games so...

If they increased the speed of the characters by a little bit I would actually enjoy it a lot more

The idea of having creator made content be apart of the official pool sounds like a good idea on paper (hell, I’ll admit I had a similar thought). However, the problem with it is that, in order for it to work, you need heavy quality control and assurance to make sure little Timmy’s troll map doesn’t get shuffle in with the officially well made maps. Problem is that, with the size of the player base and how many maps are being made, that is almost impossible.

lowkey wanna try it again, i remember this was such a blast