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NCR Veteran Ranger I made a couple of Short fan videos of Fallout I made all the props and everything do you have a minute and take a look at it just touch the icon
Yep, New Vegas ends in debates for years, while some OTHER game’s (4) faction morals are essentially GOOD or BAD. No details to consider, just handed out on a platter.
I mean alot of stuff for this game was rushed or got cancelled due to being rushed by Bethesda so it wasn't just that, There were even planned super mutant NCR Rangers
Ezic Recruit Mass Effect Andromeda was 5 years and what I'm guessing is probably much higher budget yet New Vegas overall was a better game. Keep that in mind
TBF, a lot of the game was built directly off of fallout 3. That's part of why the writing and such turned out so well, they didn't need to put much effort into building the game itself.
Disagree. The best playthroughs are when you get the 4 kings Perk, where you kill and eat the King, Caesar, President Kimball and House. It's kind of a useless perk imo but it's fun to get.
Never got over how under-acted and bland General Oliver's voice was compared to Ceaser's + Lanius's badassery, Mr. House's self-assured know-it-all-ism, and Yes Man's quirky comedic delivery.
Yeah, all the developers regretted it. They spent so much time on everyone else that when the clock ticked down on their time, they had to make one of their generic voices do it.
Fits the character honestly. He's weak willed and many with in his own army have nicknames for him like: "General Wait-and-see," "Old Wait-and-see" or "Wait-and-see Oliver" . Even Legate Lanius is unimpressed, lamenting that he can't face Chief Hanlon who lead them last time.
Soul Harvester I one punched Lanius in the throat, now I roam the Mojave, bored because I one punch everything. I guess being a hero for fun isnt fun when there's no challenge involved.
I murdered some helpless kid in a basement, smeared his blood on his father's walls, had him thrown in prison for murder and then helped a restaurant become a cannibal cult. But hey, I murdered some Raiders so apparently I'm the messiah!
You can also donate some medicine to the Followers for good karma, which is even more hilarious. You could be a serial killer, terrorist, psychopath, cannibal, but donate some stimpaks and you're the hero of the mojave
I was the biggest dick ever, I killed the president, killed the leaders of the casinos, massacred the followers along with many other terrible things but wait! I killed a bunch of legion at the Dam, therefore I'm great.
+The Flag-Bearer obsidian NEEFS the rights and im sure Bethesda sees what failure fallout 4 was and hopefully theyre smart and make an actual rpg with a great story next time
Fallout 4 isn't a failure unfortunately. The sales were good, and bethesda has seen what the rest of the industry knew already, you don't need to make a good game to make money. Don't hold out hope for bethesda. They saw NV and went and made 4 anyway.
Fallout 1: Have you seen a water chip? Fallout 2: Have you seen a GECK? Fallout 3: Have you seen my father? Fallout 4: Have you seen my son? Fallout NV: Who the FUCK shot me in the head!?
>helps conquer Mojave wasteland >spilled the blood of thousands of innocents in the name of you >massacured friends for you >ravaged 2 of the largest collective governments for fun >lol lets give her a coin
Her image was minted onto a new coin, which is the Legion gold Aureus which is worth the equivolent of getting her face printed onto a newly commissioned $100 bill. That's a hell of a lot better than an olive branch,
My favorite thing about this game was the feeling you got from being in the presence of faction leaders. Papa Khan, The King, and others were written and casted so that even though you might not like their factions, you felt their strong presence, what they stood for, and you could see why they were leaders of their respective factions. They genuinely cared for their people and that made them admirable. I didn't like the Great Khans at all, but I really liked Papa Khan. The Kings seemed like a bunch of idiots, but The King was a leader who made sure his men cared for the community and protected them.
On my first play through, when I was 12 or 13, I killed all of the kings, great khans, and fiends. On a second playthrough I played way slower and actually listened to the people I thought I wouldn’t like. Turns out the kings aren’t just lowdown gangsters, but instead protectors of a community they love, and the great khans aren’t perfect and can be considered bad people in a lot of ways, but they had potential to be better. Still don’t regret killing the fiends tho, especially cook cook.
The khans were cool as fuck. In their best ending, they ally with the followers of the apocalypse and become an empire in wyoming, I'm very curious about what it might look like.
I liked the Enclave Remnant part. Old people striking fear into the Legion's centurions. Damn I'd love to see a game where the Enclave make a badass comeback
To be honest, they have been worn out alot now. In Fallout 3, it was weird to see them again even though they've apparently been completely destroyed in Fallout 2, but you see them in 3 with a good pourtion of their power, FNV did well on making them a relatively small group though. At this point they have been used twice as the main enemy, and thats too many tbh.
@@maninthemask6275 see that's the problem, new Vegas politics can't be applied to real life. The legion is a fair response to the harsh degeneration of the wasteland but not to reality. The wasteland is a simple place. It needs a simple solution. The real world is complex, and it needs complex solutions. The legion is a hammer, but we need an entire toolkit of tools we don't have yet.
@@CombineWatermelon Legion is still better for the wasteland than the NCR,not to mention that your comment is incomplete. Caesar talks about reforming the Legion into an Empire and radically changing many of its institutions,basically they will stop being just an hammer and start being an all-profecient tool like an swiss army knife.Anyhow they are better because they try to make something new and better,the NCR represents the old world that failed and will fail again if given the chance.
For all the hate Fallout 4's endings get, I can't join cause my a#$ was so exhausted by the time I met my son I just shot him, no care whatsoever, just F you son your robots killed half of my favorite settlement.
I love the look of Caesar's New Regime by and large, but Lanius looks over the top with his red eyes and bulky armour. He already looked pretty imposing as it was.
True. Caesar's New Regime is one of my favorite mods for NV, but the armor they made for Lanius is way over the top. Maybe I should have deactivated the mod before I recorded that video. Oh well.
As Lanius would say, "no matter." Still a good video. Some people take issue with CNR for making the Legion seem too industrious, but to me it just balances them out as a legitimate power, rather than jokers running around in hockey pads. A lot of the Obsidian big whigs said they regret not fleshing the Legion out better; the game is certainly very NCR-biased. House and Yesman both work better with good NCR fame. You hear characters like Dale Barton or Rahul referring to the Legion as being reasonable at times, but the game goes out of its way to make you think otherwise.
The lack of Legion content is mainly due to time constraints, unfortunately... like many things in that game. Chris Avellone wanted to introduce Ulysses so that we could have at least one Legion-friendly companion but once again they didn't have the time... so yeah, Ulysses only appears in the Lonesome Road DLC. That being said, Raul doesn't hate the Legion and he even mentions that under Legion rule, Arizona is a very safe and orderly place. New Vegas is my favorite game hands down, I think it's already perfect, and I can't even imagine how better it could have been if Obsidian had had more time to finish it...
Pabler Arav I completely agree. I never played Fallout 1 or 2 so when I started NV the NCR was a new faction to me. I only knew something about the Enclave and the BoS since I played F3. So i started in Goodsprings, and already the NCR was being portrayed as the good guys and Legion basically as the terrorists. Then I wandered to the south and stumbled upon Nipton. And when I saw people in agony crucified on the streets of Nipton I was horrified by the Legion's actions. And when I talked to Vulpes Inculta I got even more mad when he said that they crucified everyone just to make a point on how great Legion is. After that I saw no other way but to wipe them all out, I killed Vulpes and his squad cause I saw no other way, I just HAD to do it considering what I just saw. And it basically closed the Legion path for me, since from now on I was chased by Legion's assassins. I found out about it hours later. Obsidian didn't do a good job on portraying the factions in the first stages of the game. It gets much better later - you start to think and secondguessing yourself if the NCR is the best option for the Mojave.
- Caesar's Legion ending - Very Good Karma Thou art a wolf in sheep's clothing... an angel sent by Satan who bringeth light to the world on his quest to blot out the sun.
My take was that the courier was misguided but ultimately may be right in deciding the Legion was far more efficient of a civil structure than the bloated bureaucracy of the plutocratic NCR and a necessary evil in the wasteland that would eventually be the best net positive, but if thats the case then an enlightened Mr House dictatorship seems the better alternative, either way a post apocalyptic world would probably have to go through an early Tyrant stage before rebuilding could begin there are too many isolationist greedy forces that pull apart empires like the NCR
LOL you would better prefer the bloated, corrupt bureaucracy of the NCR which can barely hold the Mojave, uses consumerism to keep people docile, sectionalism to divide people, and glorifies the wealthy instead of the worthy, seriously? Instead of the Legion, a faction that seeks to unite the wasteland under one banner, ensuring one-hundred-percent efficiency, ban chems, alcohol, and pointless luxuries so people can be healthier and stronger, and has a strong military that will protect it's citizens and the power of it's dictator. Just look at Arizona, it used to be swarming with raiders, but the Legion drove them all out, and Caesar's Legion has brought relative peace and prosperity to Arizona. Their territory has less taxes, and traders don't even need guards to travel in Legion territory. People who haven't been enslaved and who live in the Legion's territory see Caesar as a harsh but benevolent leader, and they enjoy security and stability. Also, Caesar himself said that once he took Vegas, which would be his Rome, he would take something from the NCR in the synthesis following the Battle for Hoover Dam, and turn the Legion from a nomadic tribe to a genuine empire. I got this all from the wiki, and tbh, I don't give a single piece of brahmin dung about ethics in a nuclear wasteland, long-term stability first, then we can talk about right and wrong.
payton jarden no I think the courier never officially actually joins any faction. Like even if u side with the ncr u r still considered a citizen and never a soldier
Having your face minted on a Legion coin isn't that big of a deal when you remember what happened to Joshua Graham - he also had his likeness minted on the Legion denarius. Look what Caesar did to him. EDIT: My point is that I'd be wary of becoming friends with someone who decided it was a great idea to burn and throw his friend of 30+ years into the Grand Canyon for one failure. Yes, losing the first battle of Hoover Dam was a major failure but think about it for a second: if Caesar is willing to execute someone he's known for 30+ years for failing him, what do you think he'll do to someone he's just met when he/she fails him? Not to mention that he also has a history of backstabbing people who work for him (remember the Twisted Hairs?). I mean... I'm fascinated by the Legion but I don't trust Caesar lol.
Joshua Graham was Caesars right hand man though so you just shot yourself in the foot, his fate was because the Legion doesnt accept failure, id like to see the Legion try to turn on the one man army that is the end game Courier
The amount of choices in Fallout NV... compared to FO4.... 1) Yes 2) No (Yes) 3) Sarcastic yes 4) More information that'll eventually lead up to yes. Let Obsidian do the story writing for god's sake.
I actually prefer the camera to be focused on the appearance of your character, it feels more genuine and believable when your character actually delivers the lines with some voice and determination. I think you're being dishonest. There's multiple choices in F4.
I really dug a lot of the options in NV. You could tick off plot essential NPCs to the point they attacked you just by being an ass. Probably the best part of the Honest Hearts DLC- mock their religion too much, get attacked, onward to the you failed time to escape quest.Not to mention the Low Intelligence options- just classic. NV was designed for RPers.
The Cult of the Jim Yep Even tho Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas not as heavily RPG as old Fallout but they are much better than Fallout 4 Only if they make a RPG Fallout with the improvement from Fallout 4 and stories like old fallout or FO3 and NV Fallout 4 was too easy Even in Very Hard i still can go rambo because my power armour OP AF Fallout 3.....T-51B armour + Galing laser, lv 25 still getting rekt by Super Mutant Overlord
Overall, in my opinion at least, I think that the only things that they should keep from FO4 in the next installation are the weapon/armor mods, power armor, and the crafting. The settlements are nice though, but I only use them to make a custom base of operations for myself.
A recurring theme is that the great khans always somehow survive. I can imagine they were meant to be turned into the followers of the apocalypse but as an actual power in the wasteland
The Khans emigrating from the Mojave is one of the rarest endings for them in my experience, or at least the one that requires the most effort and specific circumstances. Not sure if it is the canonical one or not.
@@AbstractTraitorHero they are a power but a very minor one. I was meaning like a genuine faction of their own instead of “We’re in neutral territory and neither side likes us”
Yuri SC Everyone except the women, people who drink, people who use technology, people who gambled, people who refused to bend the knee, anyone suspected of NCR or Brotherhood of Steel ties, any Tribals, anyone who runs a business, and anyone suspected of being a mutant. But fuck 'em anyway, they're either on a cross or in chains so it's all good. Until it all falls apart when Caesar dies and millions die in the resulting chaos and power struggle within the Legion. But at least those damn NCR don't have electricity and we got to destroy the last hope of civilization returning to the Mojave in the longterm.
One thing to say, it's incredible how much philosophical thought just the mention of this game invokes. Look at this comment section, I've never seen this much philosophical discussion without toxicity on RU-vid before.
Especially in the strip where ncr attacks you but when you fight back the securitrons shoot your eyeballs through the back of your head unless you lure them into a casino and let security kill them
For my Legion playthrough, i just roleplayed as a Frumentarii sabotaging the NCR in ways that don't make me villified by them. Blew up the monorail, used the orbital laser to wipe out Helios One (fun fact, choosing to test the defenses to wipe out the occupying NCR results in the Legion occupying Helios One. If you want another Legion camp, this is how to make one :D), dropped a time bomb in the First Recon tent and blew up the whole squad while hidden, sneak killed a ton of officers (mostly for the Armed For Bear challenge), etc.
Am I the only one who gets a sad feeling listening to the ending background music. I mean come on, this game was badass why make me feel sad that once you did the battle you couldn't go back.(unless mods of course). :(
Dead Money made me feel even worse when I first played it. I usually play a greedy, evil asshole in RPGs, and most of the time there are basically no negative consequences... but in that DLC, Dean Domino and Christine eventually turned against me and I could only save Dog/God... Obviously the ending was really, really bad and the background music made it feel even more dramatic
All I did was steal a few things to get the 2000 caps needed to get into the Strip. Neither myself nor my companions killed anyone, not even during the final battle. All dialogue trees resulted in positive karma, and I never asked for payment for my services. I was dubbed the source of all Evil.
You have to kill people In NV to get good ending, it's because no one else is competent in that game and can deal with those shit bags you have to kill in the good play through.
@@CultOfJim I finished the game at Messia Karma and slaughtered hundreds through the game and its DLCs :)) stil got louaded and celebrated as a hero in the end
That's because the ending is written by historians, who as a profession consider mass murderers better people than those who keep their hands to themselves.
I completed this game as the Legion, because I was fan of Rome and thought helping them would make me cool kid. I didn't understand what was I doing. Ending made me cry.
When I first played it I chose NCR I was fairly young but I understood that because it was a democracy it was subject to change, it does not always have to be corrupt and uncaring. Fallout NV really challenged my view of democracy operating in such conditions but I ultimately stayed firm I get immersed into my games XP
I always end up going House or Yes Man because Caesar is cruel and evil and NCR is corrupt and incompetent.
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iPlayUwatch brothers my first run was with Legion but I missed some quest for them so I started again, and again always as legionary I hate profligets and the only one that I would do beside Legion would be total chaos killing everything, Yesman ending. True to Caesar
I was always wild card even on my Legion playthrough I stopped because Caesar ordered me to kill the Bortherhood and I got the alliance of the Brotherhood and told him they would serve him but nope he still says kill them all. I then proceeded to kill Caesar. I also always kill all the NCR soldiers right from the start. They are fucking horrible corrupt assholes with greedy fingers, sure there's a lot of good people inside the NCR but their whole country, the leadership, is all a piece of bullshit. Those good people could live in any other country and they would still be good, I don't want them to disappear but I want the NCR to disappear so soldiers can fuck off back to California, the Mojave will have no ruler. Mr.House can die too.
Caesar needs to take a page out of Roman history and adopt the Courier as his son in order to secure a viable heir to govern the Legion after his death.
It’s the reason why you literally got a coin minted, with your face plastered on it, and distributed to the wasteland. In old Roman times, it was emperors who were the face of those coins, signifying a new regime, under the guys of a new Caesar, our courier.
A good idea. Lanius is a highly effective military commander, an excellent legate in the field, but the brutality that makes him so capable in conquest would make him a poor emperor. Under him the legion would be strong in the short term, but uncivilized - it wouldn't be able to achieve long-term infrastructure construction projects, set up more stable civil institutions, establish trade and diplomatic relations, introduce education, or any of the other things. Caesar taps the legacy of Rome because he knows that well-adminstered violence and terror is required to bring civilisation to the wasteland, but he still aspires to build something worthy of Rome. Lanius only knows how to wage war, though he is very good at that.
Bigots tend to very easily make special exceptions to their moral codes, if it gets them enough. However this was after they'd already got what they wanted, so he could easily have just called her an impostor claiming things she didn't do to save her own skin, which honestly would've felt more realistic. First ending I got and I was a bit disappointed by how little difference it ultimately made.
@@phatlewt2932 yeah it'd be nice if the tables were flipped once or twice, something written for a female character, but allowing a male character with whichever adjustments deemed necessary. I wouldn't count New Vegas as one of the least evenhanded in that respect, though. The only things that make it really obvious are the Legion-sided playthrough being not as different as it felt it should be according to gender, and one or two duffed pronouns left in by mistake.
@@Torthrodhel He taught his legion to be utilitarian and misogynistic, which kept women (essentialy breeding stock) deep into safe legion territory so the legion may always have fresh, young manpower to drawn upon. He himself has no qualms with women.
It's voiced by Emerson Brooks which actually did a lot of characters in the game, and with no different intonation with any of them... Which is kinda sad i see the need of such a voice actor in such a huge game but to put that same voice on one of the most influencial characters in the game? Bit odd.
"Though the courier was just and forthright in their dealings throughout the wasteland, they halped the legion achieve victory." Not even the people who made the game thought the Legion were good.
The Legion is supposed to be the evil choice, yes. They still chose to make them a coherent faction and as Arcade Gannon would say, they're probably supposed to be another story of good intentions gone bad.
DeadMoney Or as Marcus mentioned it Caesar's legion follow Caesar, not his ideals. I did a good, high intelligence legion play through and found it to be one of the most philosophically interesting paths. Especially compared to the NCR path, which showed the glaring holes of their bureaucratic executive branch and inability to get simple tasks like clearing roads done when they have the men and supplies.
I mean, they rape and crucify people. A lot. There's a method to the madness, sure, but they're assholes led by a sadistic despot for players who want an evil playthrough but were dissatisfied with what Bethesda thought was evil in FO3.
@@hardgay7537 The fact that a faction that crucifies people still manages to be genuinely compelling is a testament to Obsidian's writing over Bethesda's...if not always the voice acting, at any rate.
@@RustyDroid I'm afraid Obsidian of today is a shell of their former self. Chris Avellone, Brian Mitsoda, George Ziets and John Gonzalez have all left the studio.
This is interesting. The Legion plans to attack California, thus invading in their territory now. The reason why NCR had such a problem with holding the Mojave was because they were over stretched. They gave up Mojave so that means that they can now focus all their attention on invading Legion. This is a horrible move for the Legion because the problems of being overstretched NCR faced will now be on the Legions hand and they'll be attacking NCR on their territory. Legion will not win that war. Just my thoughts.
Jake Savoy The divide is heavily infested with Tunnelers and it's quite hard to really kill them. They have no weaknesses other than bright lights and fire. And they produce very quickly. They can effectively kill their prey by hunting in groups and only appearing on the surface to ambush or attack their prey. This is something the Legion will definitely try to avoid - in conclusion, they could... but they wont.
lostinYourReality the legion are multiplying with every place they take over though. Theoretically they can pretty much hold anywhere providing they are enslaving as they march.
Actually, the "distributed across the wasteland" but on the coin meant that Caesar circulated an entirely new coin for use with YOUR face printed on it. Considering that it's the gold aureous coin, he just put your face on the Legion's $100 bill.
Autistic Smartass Although siding with a soon to collapse empire of slavers and rapists lead by a nerd who wants to larp as a Roman but does the opposite of what the Romans would have done as a good guy seems very....Questionable.
No, thats exactly what the Roman Empire would do, they conquered the whole world, stole every gold on their campaigns/took slaves brought them back to their land and Rome was rich af and could grow bigger. Thats the same caesar is doing
Fallout3Fr3aker12 They didn't crucify people willy nilly like this Caeser is fond of, nor did they wipe out the cultures of the people that they conquered, and the Romans certainly did not despise technology.
Ayy Lmao The Romans did crucify people, they forced others to assimilate into their and were extremely brutal. In fact Julius Caesar was seen as foolish when he spared the children of his political enemies such as Pompeii. Caesars Legion was very much the closest representation to the Roman Empire in any game that didn't have the actual Roman Empire since the overlord series.
God the writing in New Vegas is leagues in front of Fallout 4. I can't help but sympathize with Caesar, and he runs a totalitarian slaver society that largely wipes out individualism, is sexist and anti-mutant, and has no problem with committing massacres to send a message. Obsidian, please come back.
Obsidian planned to have a legion owned city in the game where you can see that the legion's territory is actually far more peaceful and prosperous compared to the rest of the wasteland but they weren't able to put it in because they had a ridiculously short amount of time to make the game.
its amazing how getting shot in the head can make you the ruler of post-apocalyptic mojave or at least the guy that preety much single handedly gave that title to someone else
"Caesar entered The Strip as though it was his Triumph."... Because it was? I mean, this is propably the greatest victory since Legion was formed, one of the most impresive cities in post-apocalyptic world is his, he can go on with his plan of forging barbaric horde into genuine empire, and he owned the most powerfull nation in West America - quite impressive if you ask me. Novac ending is IMO complete ass pull, but it's suprise that it's no to so bad for most communities. I can see how this can potentially be good for the Mojave in the long run. Independent Vegas ending is still hard to compete though.
***** I used CAGE ! You have to be patient and talk to the robots quite a lot before you'll have a chance to hear them say it. I think I had to wait like 10 minutes before the damn robot finally said it lmao
I wonder if the courier will be the next Caesar. It says a coin was minted and distributed as reward, often the reigning Augustus would do that for their chosen successor as a way of getting the people used to seeing their heir as a person of gravity.
Caesar and the legion are not evil. They're just willing to do the tough things needed to reestablish stability. Caesar reminds me of Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein: brutal dictators that did what was necessary to maintain some semblance of order, and their deaths (thanks US government for destabilizing the Middle East) brought about more chaos and suffering.
Comic Sans Stability with the price of perpetual suffering and at the cost of individual freedoms is not worth it. Only a subservient coward favors totalitarianism.
Djrocks Gaming In a post-apocalyptic world, a totalitarian government is necessary to first establish stability. Your freedom will mean nothing in the wastelands, unless you are extremely self-sufficient. Most people are not, therefore a totalitarian government is needed for those people. Perhaps later down the road freedoms can be established, just as we have gained more freedoms over the years as our society grows (though it can be argued that we really do not have true personal freedoms). Can you tell me that the people of Libya are better off without Gaddafi? Is Iraq better off without Saddam Hussein? Is Somalia better off without a functional government? Would Syria be better off without Assad? If you answer yes to any of these, you may wish to reconsider.
Comic Sans Being oppressive is not at all necessary. Saddam engaged in genocide, and you're simply morally aberrant for defending that. Stability doesn't mean shit with totalitarianism. It just means that the citizens suffer at the hands of the government instead of some other group. You trying to justify slavery, rape, oppression, etc is just disheartening for the human race.
Can we take a second to address the fact that the Mojave brotherhood chapter is so inept that despite having power armor and energy weapons they lost to thugs with machetes and maybe a few firearms? Numbers or not thats pretty pathetic.
As Mr. House said: “Shiny power armor don't count for much when you're outnumbered 15:1.” and he was talking about NCR. With Legion it was probably 50:1
I would love to see that battle, a few dozen people in power armour using lasers and bullets fighting to the last against a hoard until they ran out of ammo and resort to brawling until their inevitable death. Oh wait you can get that with Warhammer.
All the legion would really need is some pulse grenades and overwhelming numbers tbh. That’s the BoS crippling weakness on the West Coast, they don’t recruit outsiders so they are always outnumbered at least 10:1. Advanced tech and training will not carry you if there is too much to contend with.
It's a common misconception that the Legion doesn't use firearms extensively. The most junior legionary doesn't because he is considered expandable, but crack Legion soldiers that have already proven themselves in battle are entrusted with high-tech weaponry on par with their NCR equivalents.
One thing I liked but also made me sad was that in some of the scenarios it was like no matter what you did certain characters would just drift away or things would go bad or worse. That music doesn't help that sad feeling either lol
It's so tragic comparing this quality of writing and actual role-play interaction to Fallout 4 where it would just be a red speech check that says "Surrender the dam" and you'd fail, and then have to savescum over and over. That's how they did it with that lone Brotherhood of Steel operative.
For all of his shit you gotta give Oliver credit for trying to stick it out and then only left because he didn't want his men to die. Lanius' ending was much more cowardly then that.
imo Legion ending with Caesar in power is the best ending. Caesar knows his stuff and legion is evolving constantly. with a stabilized capital such as New Vegas who knows what Legion may be changed into
Not really, Legion doesn't offer anything but stability and certain kind of puritanism even then stability aspect is temporary. Most characters recognize that Caesear is only thing that keeps Legion together (that and constant expansion by looting other territories) and there is no a single inkling of evidence of any sort of reform for a better would come nowhere near in the future nor that anyone would be able to replace Caeaser. Stability is nowhere near sufficient price to sacrifice most of your liberties and rights, why I would want government that would deal with riders that is little better than raiders. Ncr is better than legion by a huge margin, while they struggle with corruption and expansionist tendencies and not as efficient in dealing with criminals as Legion, they strive to uphold your liberties and rights as well offer ability to pick your leaders democratically what prevents from Tyranny like in case of Legion. NCR is capable of dealing with raiders as well, especially once they annex and secure area. House and wild card endings are also better (unless you perhaps botch wild card ending completely) House while indifferent about Areas outside Vegas leaves them independent and Vegas secured with actual potential for a better future outside earth.On plus side, he has technology that vastly prolongs his life leaving problem with a successor less of an issue. Plus, House is merely authoritarian not totalitarian so as long you aren't in his way he will leave you to your own devices.
@@nagatouzumaki3492 Caesar is many things, a Tyrant is not one of them. Many more people die due to NCR bureaucrats than to legion bureaucracy, Caesar, Vulpes and Lanius would crush any rebel factions that would arise, the NCR would wait until they were given orders to do it.
@@grimaldus1523 LoL, No. First you don't disprove that Caesar isn't a tyrant by pointing out that NCR has bigger kill count (what in first place I doubt as you didn't present any evidence of it) and given Legions entirely violent and totalitarian expansionist approach, liberal approach to killing for dissent, failure or what is perceived as degeneracy (not adhering to very strict social standards) and weeding out weakness (disabled, sick etc) and forcible hard labor (slavery) and pretty much spartan approach in regard to training kill count done by legion is likely by far greater that of NCR (at least when scaled by size of it). Outside orginal point, NCR may have expansionist tendencies but nowhere near as violent and totalitarian that of Legion which is why pretty much NCR allows other factions to exist in their ending (unless they become openly hostile) and cooperate with them such as Kings, Boomers, Brotherhood of steel where Legion will always try to annihilate and enslave anyone that isn't part of the legion . Anyway, as I pointed out discussing NCR has nothing to do with showcasing notion that Caesar isn't a tyrant, all I need to do is showcase his interaction with you where he will try to kill you for simply disagreeing with him, asking inconvenient questions or even refusing to kill someone (pick way Benny will die, if I recall correctly), fact he is a dictator of totalitarian extremely violent imperialistic society that embraces slavery should suffice alone, if that isn't enough to make him a tyrant then tyranny doesn't exist.
I wish we’d get to see the khans follower team up in a later entry in the series. Two of the most interesting new vegas factions combining forces and create a thriving empire.
No matter which ending we get in fallout new vegas as long as we get the any ending with the very good karma soundtrack that’s fine because it gave us a lot of nostalgia and it also reminds us that this game it’s a true legacy for fallout 1 and 2
Arcade leaves the game (as in he won't be back in the Mormon Fort), moment you side with the Legion. I think it's safe to say that he either followed the Remnants back to Chicago or with the Followers to continue his endeavor being a doctor/researcher.
This is probably the most stable and honest ending we could get. Many of the small towns don't have to fight to the death and just evacuate with no casualties, and only the larger factions at ends with other face the harder consequences of war.
@@artilleriman Yeah it was tf you on about. Obsidian is the successor to black isle the studio that created the fallout universe. They were actually going to release van buren till they got shut down and Bethesda got the rights for the Fallout Universe. A lot of Van Buren ideas are actually implemented in FONV
I don't see how a Legion ending could go with very good karma. I get that it happens game-mechanic wise, but there's no way in the world a force that operates by slavery, genocide and torture could be supported by someone with *actual* good karma, aka, a decent human being.
Oh boohoo, I don't want to be crucified for no reason Oh boohoo, I want human rights and democracy Man up and accept the fact that only the only decent human beings are the ones who serve the Son of Mars himself!
It's honestly amazing how philosophical and clever this game actually is. Not only did they have to be bold enough to include ideology like the legions into the game, but the creators had to be smart enough to know stuff like dialectics in the first place. Bonkers
I will never understand how an ending like this is even possible, for this game. Ending with a Legion victory, at the second battle for the dam, but with very good karma. How does that make sense when the faction you sided with committed the most evil acts, known to man, to all other factions it came across since its inception east of the Colorado river? 💯💯💯💯
