The 87 Tribes of Caesar's Legion | Fallout Lore 

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I think the 87th tribe is this new band of marked men in dry wells, despite being legionaries initially, they are now something new. Ulysses does describe the divide marked men as something ascendant of the NCR & Legion through their shared suffering. Wouldn’t be a stretch to see the dry wells legionaries as this 87th tribe

When I first completed Lonsome Road years ago and got this armor I thought it was supposed to be for the NCR after the Legion crushed them at the second battle of Hoover Dam. Caesar talks about not only conquering and assimilating the NCR but also initiating a synthesis between the two nation states. Forming the two into a newer, singular nation and establishing his own "Pax Romana". Caesar is also so full of himself and his Legion he would likely commission something like this to be made before the battle to act as a ceremonial gesture in victory. He's a man of symbolism, whether it be slaughtering a tribe as a display to terrify his foes or minting a new coin with a certain Couriers face on it. Personally, a little fact about the armor on its Fallout wiki page kinda backs this up in my mind. Before they changed the end of the game to be a total cutoff you could continue after the final battle, and if you sided with the Legion the Armor of the 87th Tribe was left in a chest for you to wear. It's the Armor of the NCR Tribe.

Can u do a video on the desert rangers please i find them so fascinating

But that's the whole idea no individuality only the Caesar's tribe or the 87th how would Caesar not know about another tribe conquered

....and the Roach King.

Why do you think he went west? Ceaser knows he stands no chance.

@@sceligator This buys him a few years until the legions of Dave set their sights westward. Not that he'll survive to see than happen, anyway...

I liked this more than I should have 🤗

Even ignoring the Republic of Dave, the Enclave and the Brotherhood are there. Wish the Enclave won tbh, only without President Eden being a bitch

God bless America and God bless the Enclave

You can’t have democracy without force, whether it’s to force it upon your government or your people

The Master: "Make everyone the same so there are no differing identities anymore."

For the enclave

Yes Man: You don't, just leave them alone.

That's not too far from the reality, I'll tell you that.

It wasn’t New Mexico, it was Arizona.

New Mexico is a raider infested hellhole in real life lol

​@@caesarseizure1625I thought Arizona was controlled by the desert rangers, who after getting forced out by the Legion joined the NCR in the Ranger Unification Act

@@battlesheep2552 They were in sections of Nevada and Arizona

I agree it would be interesting to see what the Desert Rangers were like before joining the NCR I've always wondered how they were.

I guess I just always assumed in my head canon the desert rangers were a reference to the ones from the wasteland series

@@DADchs13 Maybe eh.

@@DADchs13 yeah, I figured much. Just saying, would be nice to see them in a future fallout game that takes place in the southwest region. Real wild west shit with them in their prime.

@@FreakiFreakenton They're in fallout 2 operating in the NCR but not in a formal agreement with the NCR yet. You need to brush up on your early fallout lore I see.

Yeah, I feel like East Coast Fallout (especially Fallout 4) is too centralized and there isn’t that many factions than there is on the West.

@@luftschiff1069 facts. I think that’s where Bethesda has to improve

They don't care ​@@CalobAdamsInfamous913

Agreed. The west feels far more barbaric, savage and tribal than the east.

Too bad Bethesda just throws in endless amounts of disposable “Raiders” into their games.

Why?,never heard anything about that part of the lore before just saying.

Where does it say that?

Ulysses mentions they were destroyed

​@@colddaze6680It's speculated they worshipped a digital copy of a pre war brain that basically became a Goddess AI to the tribe.

​@@Chukeddon't know, but most likely Van Buren

Mr. Sawyer said something about them before in a Vlog thing

It could be backstory that is conceptualised, but never made explicit. Like the actor's secret: one character point added by the actor, never made explicit but does add context and flavour to the character and performance. It adds depth to the character by including something that, to paraphrase RLM, you aren't aware you are seeing.l, but sure are seeing.

Legion had little lore though, at least compared to the NCR. Have in mind all FNV happens in NCR territory and only a fraction in Legion's past Hoover Dam

Sawyer said the legion weren’t as fleshed out as they were supposed to be, I think he mentioned that if he had a chance to work on the game again the first thing he’d do is develop more legion locations and lore. Sucks they weren’t as fleshed out as they were supposed to be

​@@danielpedraza6455plus, the NCR already existed

long live the east

btw i really enjoy these videos, espcially about the legion, but anything u make is so well done!

When I say ave, you Better say true to caesar

Ave Amicus

Average Arizonian:

Right, and that includes the twin mothers as well.

If you want slightly non-canon lore on them I recommend checking out the hoi4 mod called Old World Blues.

@@Thaddeus2007 great mod for people who love reading stuff like the fallout bible and the design docs for Van Buren. Highly recommend, if you already know how to play HOI4

You win the internet 😂

Written by Americans

Rofl an American complaining about someone not doing things exactly like they do.

​@@jasonzoller5369using 'English'

​@@jimjames4875We speak it better than you. Get on a boat and come do something about it.

@@BadseedGarden I'm not English spaz

Im pretty sure the 87th is the legion itself and that as the 86 tribes became one they became they 87th.

@LillaVargR yeah no. The Legion is an army of 86 tribes, each one being a seperate entity before being assimilated into the Legion. The 87th was just the most current tribe taken over.

@@superheatedsaturnite yes they were assimilated and became one tribe under caesar which in turn is the 87th.

@@LillaVargRCaesar’s Legion is the 1st tribe to be conquered, and the one he used to conquer the rest, being the Blackfoots

@@Sgt_ioiwsl no caesars legion is the unified tribes. The definition of legion is a vast number of people or thing whoch wouldnt fit for only the blackfoots. And caesar unified the 86 tribes under his command into the legion which then became the 87th. Since there are no mention anywhere in agme that another tribe was conquered and why would the a Centurion be wearing a armor mentioning another tribe when that tribe no longer exist especially in dry wells were the twisted hairs which was one of the earlier tribes was located.

Absolutely!

There is a development document from van buren about New Canaan that was leaked I think

Diana is a woman who put her mind into a computer pre war, first heard of her from that art of her and Legatus Lanius from OWB.

⁠@@WitchHunterSiegfriedIn my Headcanon. Diana survived and Lanius was convinced to go East by the courier (to smash that robot). I know it’s cope.

Would be cool if we could get a mod for that. Either playing as a frumentari( there's no auto correct for that word ) or a tribal

@@steveshyde7564 There's not autocorrect because it's a Latin word, but you were close enough. Just missing a second 'i' on the end.

@@steveshyde7564 I just want to see more tribes and think it'd be a good way to see more

97 if you add the Kings, the Boomers, and the Three Families.

@@Alex_FRD Kings and boomers would never. The families, maybe. Probably not though.

@@ceasarsalazar5940 they would be conquered, so I don't see what your trying to say

@@oake6180 They would not willingly assimilate. I'm saying they'd be slaughtered.

@@ceasarsalazar5940 Pacer doesn't seem that loyal.

how would that work tho? youd have to give it a canonical ending which would make 0 sense

@@angusrogers9366 Not if it’s set somewhere else at the same time period as the NCR/Legion war. Maybe in Arizona where they were originally thinking of putting it and Van Buren? Or even New California itself. There are plenty of possibilities that if placed at the same time as the New Vegas would make sense and not screw with the canon. That and I have faith in Obsidian. They know what they’re doing.

@@julscatten2640 Yeah i suppose your right though i like how the games are never taking place at the same time so if it was a couple years in the future that would be fine and Arizona would be cool to see

@@angusrogers9366 There are more than some canonical endings/evolutions in Fallout already. Main contingent of Enclave being defeated at Raven Rock, Khans being defeated by NCR. Never to be the most powerful tribe they once were again.Jackals and Vipers having pretty much same fate, etc. One way or other , with two such powerful armies/empires of Fallout. One or the other has to win. Or at least beat the other into submission, if not totally annihilate them. For simple fact, a timeline must eventually progress in the Fallout verse, one way or the other. Two sides of more or less the same power and resources cannot stay in a war of attrition forever. So makes absolute sense, one or the other side must win some how. You can't have a static event/timeline in any normal verse.

@@colddaze6680 Boils down to personal opinion then because believe in a static timeline especially with Bethesda at the reigns of the franchise maybe if black isles or even obsidian was making the next game i might actually want the story to advance. But this east coast story their making i could not care less about and any of the factions within.

I'm sorry it's taken so long!

@@Synonymous101 don't be sorry man! You make the best fallout content out here. I appreciate the hell outta you dude. Can't rush perfection as they say 🤌 haha

The Enclave had vertibirds, power armor and such things and they lost to a tribal

@@Synonymous101 Unless the Legion is made up of Chosen Ones, I think they're likely to still be stalled once they take the Mojave. At their height, I'm fairly confident the Enclave would have decimated (pun intended) the Legion.

@@robbymidgettofficial If The Legion won the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam would mean The Courier sided with them? Maybe not as strong as The Chosen One, but still up there and I think they alone could turn the tides

@@Synonymous101 You're probably right about that much, yeah.

According to chief hanlon, the water sources are drying up in california which also means less food. That combined with Ulysses's assessment for taking out the interstate 15 to "bleed" out the bear by removing their ability to trade means that they wouldn't have to do much other than wait out for the ncr to slowly crumble under the folly of their mass expansionism to take over california.

One of the best characters ever written honestly 🔥🔥 that video needs to happen

Better late than never! 😁👍

Thank you, Val! 😁 🍻

Thank you! 😁👍

You’re right, frankly this gentlemen made a lot of minor lore mistakes in this video. Enough in my opinion to say this isn’t an accurate video, but yeah the white legs were never going to be allowed to join the legion. It’s almost like Caesar was messing with them because he moved the goal post until it was literally “wipe all these tribes out here for me” and Ulysses tells us Caesar never planned to let them live; regardless of them accomplishing that gol or not.

@@cecrops9289 I figured that it was really Ulysses that was messing with the white-legs. He was disillusioned with the legion, not especially happy with what happened to the twisted-hairs- his tribe. Found great promise at the Divide, watched it fall apart either by intent or accident and did a lot, most every DLC in some small way had his mark on it, to get at you. Knowing that the white-legs were never to succeed in joining the Legion-in part due to the burned man not being accepted as existing, partially due to Ulysses fully expecting that you would likely come out on top. It was him killing Joshua Graham or driving him out, making him become the Legate again or you painstakingly steering him to salvation. Caesar likely had no idea that any of this was going on at all. This was never about him-it was always about you-the Courier. Not messing with the White-legs, not messing with Joshua Graham and the Mormons who were aiding him. This was about you, making you remember yourself or, making decisions that would change the fate of so many. How would you face these choices? Could you live with them? Would you take steps to once more build your new nation or would you once again stand back and watch those around you burn?

@@seanromine3932 a lot of what you said is conjecture, but I like the thought process.

The 1st time I played NV was back in 2011.....whenever I watch any lore video I get hit by all the nostalgia all over again.....

Isnt there already a mod for that in Fallout 2

Perhaps not outright conquered, but warred with and maybe are still fighting them (Mid-West BoS is massive in terms of territory, the Legion would be almost half of the US if they had).

They had to cut content due to time constraints, and several mods have attempted to restore this cut content